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June 8

unable to edit the page Ship prefix

I am trying to add a prefix to the list of ship prefixes at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ship_prefix but whenever I try to publish the edit I get blocked with the message "As an anti-abuse measure, you are limited from performing this action too many times in a short space of time, and you have exceeded this limit. Please try again in a few minutes." but I can never try again and am not doing this repeatedly, I have tried to publish the edit a few times in the last month, any idea what's going on here? or how I might solve this issue? Teas And Cakes (talk) 00:42, 8 June 2024 (UTC)

What's the prefix? (Conceivably, a homograph has some meaning related to a body function or whatever.) -- Hoary (talk) 00:47, 8 June 2024 (UTC)

RNMB, Royal Navy Motor Boat. I have refences if they are wanted which I had included in the edit I was looking to make. Teas And Cakes (talk) 00:50, 8 June 2024 (UTC)

@Teas And Cakes: We cannot always say what caused such a message but it will probably go away when your account becomes autoconfirmed, meaning at least four days and ten edits at Wikipedia. Your acount is nine months but only has four edits. Your two edits to this help desk also count. PrimeHunter (talk) 01:41, 8 June 2024 (UTC)

Thank you very much, I will edit elsewhere and come back and try again with ship prefixes later. Teas And Cakes (talk) 18:11, 8 June 2024 (UTC)

iOS app only shows syntax editor

Hello! I just got the iOS app. From what I can see online, there’s supposed to be a sort of visual editor for it. But all I’m getting is the source editor (with some colored text). How can I fix this? Zanahary (talk) 01:06, 8 June 2024 (UTC)

@Zanahary: I'm not aware of a visual editor feature in the iOS app. Where did you see it? Maybe it was not about the iOS app but about editing the mobile version of Wikipedia using VisualEditor in the normal Safari browser in iOS. You can see it in a browser at https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Example#/editor/all after clicking the pencil icon at the top right and select "Visual editing" (it may already be selected). PrimeHunter (talk) 01:35, 8 June 2024 (UTC)

Over here, with the caption text "The new editing Interface on the Wikipedia iOS app. Text from Brooklyn Bridge Park on the English Wikipedia." Zanahary (talk) 03:51, 8 June 2024 (UTC)

@Zanahary: It looks like a misleading caption. The image is https://wikimediafoundation.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/05/The-new-editing-Interface-on-the-Wikipedia-iOS-app.png. It has four screenshots. The first is not from an editor as far as I can tell. It's just the rendered article. You can mark something and select "Edit" but it merely starts a source editor for the page with the same text marked in the source, assuming it's actually present in the source. And the source editor may mark another occurence of the text than you. The first screenshot shows "post-industrial waterfront" marked but it isn't even marked in the second screenshot although the text is visible. Maybe the screenshot isn't intend to show this mark feature, or maybe it's a newer feature. The story is from 2019. PrimeHunter (talk) 04:48, 8 June 2024 (UTC)

Oh these people are monsters...
But thank you though! Zanahary (talk) 05:09, 8 June 2024 (UTC)

How to disable Expand all sections?

Hello. When I view Wikipedia pages while I am logged out I can see pages along with expand option on individual section. When I log with my account in browse on my phone, it by default expands all sections. This is pretty inconvenient. I have tried changing things in my preference settings, but nothing is working.— Preceding unsigned comment added by Krutarth (talk • contribs) 8. Jun. 2024, 09:11:00 (UTC)

@Krutarth: There is an "Expand all sections" setting when you click the three line menu at the upper left of the page while you are browsing the mobile Wikipedia site. If I am understanding your comment correctly, disabling that setting should work. LightNightLights (talk • contribs) 11:34, 8 June 2024 (UTC)

@Krutarth: After clicking the hamburger button ☰, click "Settings". "Expand all sections" should be there betwen "Text" and "Advanced mode", if you have the option. I have it on my iPhone but not in a desktop browser on the mobile site. PrimeHunter (talk) 12:00, 8 June 2024 (UTC)

Oops, I forgot to mention the "Settings" button. Thanks for that. LightNightLights (talk • contribs) 12:22, 8 June 2024 (UTC)

@LightNightLights@PrimeHunter

Thank you for the help. I couldn't see the settings option itself, there was just preference option. Turned out it was because I was using en.wiki rather than en.m.wiki. The settings option, and inturn the expand section option is visible only on en.m.wiki domain.

Now I just feel dumb hehe. Apologies and thank you for taking time to reply. — Krutarth (talk) 12:23, 8 June 2024 (UTC)

@Krutarth: The bottom of desktop pages have a "Mobile view" link. If you click that then your device should remember your choice and also display the mobile version if you start at en.wikipedia.org. PrimeHunter (talk) 12:50, 8 June 2024 (UTC)

BROKEN: Template:Marriage

Template:Marriage is BROKEN 2601:646:201:57F0:CF62:E91D:767B:A1C5 (talk) 11:36, 8 June 2024 (UTC)

Please be specific in questions. I guess you refer to Graham Kerr where I sometimes see an error message in the spouse field where Template:Marriage is used:

Treena Kerr
​<div style="display:inline-block;Expression error: Unexpected < operator">​
(m. 1955; died 2015)​

Other times it displays correctly:

Treena Kerr
​(m. 1955; died 2015)

If I click edit and preview a revision in the page history with the error message then the error goes away. I don't know why it happens and it's difficult to investigate when the same revision keeps displaying differently and never gives an error in preview. Maybe the issue depends on which server you happen to get. PrimeHunter (talk) 12:44, 8 June 2024 (UTC)

@PrimeHunter: Possibly related to Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical)#Broken_infoboxes, which has probably been fixed. -- zzuuzz ^(talk) 12:48, 8 June 2024 (UTC)

Thanks, that sounds like it. PrimeHunter (talk) 13:19, 8 June 2024 (UTC)

Klopt dit

Na com. ingevoerde CAPTHCA, sturarena hoort er niet bij.

Hoe kan ik dit wijzigen, of hoort het zo, of wijzigt Wikipedia dit liefst voor mij?

E-mail: ..... @outlook.comstunarena WvdWielen (talk) 12:31, 8 June 2024 (UTC)

@WvdWielen. This is the English language Wikipedia. Google translates your question into English as After com. imported CAPTHCA, sturarena is not included. How can I change this, or is this how it should be, or does Wikipedia prefer to change this for me?. This leaves me no wiser as to your question. What is sturarena? Shantavira|^{feed me} 14:49, 8 June 2024 (UTC)

Try nl:Help:Helpdesk, as you post appears to be in Dutch. Mjroots (talk) 17:47, 12 June 2024 (UTC)

Notability of peers

I am sure I have read guidance somewhere on the notability of members of the peerage. I have a vague memory it was an issue Jimmy Wales offered an opinion on. There are a couple of peers I’m interested in, one living one dead, but I don’t think they have done/did much in their lives that would ordinarily indicate notability. Nor do they have much coverage. But their peerages have articles, and I think they may therefore have notability merely by virtue of being, e.g. the 8th Marquess of Compton Bassett. Can anyone remember the relevant guidance? Many thanks. KJP1 (talk) 17:01, 8 June 2024 (UTC)

Wikipedia:WikiProject_Peerage_and_Baronetage#Notability is the closest I found. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 17:10, 8 June 2024 (UTC)

Yep, that was all I came up with as well, I don't think there is a subject-specific WP:N standard for this. Just Step Sideways ^{from this world ..... today} 17:11, 8 June 2024 (UTC)

Thanks, that is very helpful. I think I am just going to have to try them and see whether there is a move to delete. Best regards. KJP1 (talk) 17:20, 8 June 2024 (UTC)

As a practical matter, articles of this type usually have an infobox that includes links to their predecessor and successor in their title. This allows easy navigation forwards and backwards through the title holders, but if one of them has no article, the method fails (though others exist), while even a stub article preserves it. Given the responsibilities that come with most titles, it should be possible to find some material facts about most titleholders in the last few hundred years, even if they aren't spectacular. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 188.220.136.217 (talk) 18:25, 8 June 2024 (UTC)

It seems to me that notability is not inherited is relevant here. If you can find sources that meet GNG, that's fine, but if not (eg, the only sources you can find give routine information about a peer, "X, the seventh earl of W, was the nephew of the sixth earl, married Y, and had two children, one of whom became the eighth earl"), then your suggestion above, they may therefore have notability merely by virtue of being, e.g. the 8th Marquess of Compton Bassett would in my view by refuted by that page. ColinFine (talk) 22:25, 8 June 2024 (UTC)

Huge whitespace at top of US state articles

Hello. At New Mexico and New York (state) (and probably others) there is a huge whitespace at the top of the article, caused by "state symbols" template on the right, below the infobox. I tried using a "clear|left" template, but no luck. Not sure how to fix this. Thanks! Magnolia677 (talk) 17:06, 8 June 2024 (UTC)

This is likely due to changes to {{if both}} by @Nick and @Paine Ellsworth. —TheDJ (talk • contribs) 17:25, 8 June 2024 (UTC)

Indeed. I removed a newline from that template and it fixed the issue. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 17:29, 8 June 2024 (UTC)

You folks are awesome. Thanks! Magnolia677 (talk) 18:03, 8 June 2024 (UTC)

Related discussion: Wikipedia:Village pump (technical)#Broken infoboxes. —⁠andrybak (talk) 11:30, 9 June 2024 (UTC)

Yup. Sometimes the answer to why won't my phone charge at this station, is "as the directions say, you have to flip this switch" and sometimes it is "We've got two dozen in the engineers in the basement working on electrical balancing".Naraht (talk) 13:48, 10 June 2024 (UTC)