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Vijay filmography edit

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Nominator(s):  — Ssven2 Looking at you, kid 11:52, 9 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I am nominating this for featured list because Vijay is one of Tamil cinema's most iconic and successful actors with a large fanbase (who vandalise the majority of his articles). Constructive comments are most welcome.  — Ssven2 Looking at you, kid 11:52, 9 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

  • Comments from Editor2050
  • 1. I have mentioned this before but is it necessary to include something as trivial as "playback singing" in his actual filmography? Could this not be put on a separate table (or even separate Vijay discography article?) Credits like Velai and Thulli Thirintha Kaalam probably involved ten minute commitments for the actor. It certainly fails to give a clear and concise picture of what readers/viewers hope to truly find out - "which films Vijay has starred in".
  • 2. Is there any supposed order that the names for dual roles are supposed to be written in? Are they meant to be alphabetical or order of on-screen appearance? eg. see "Kathiresan, Jeevanandham" and "Kathiresan, Jeevanandham"? etc
  • 3. Wasn't Sukran an (extended) guest appearance? It was never publicised as a Vijay starrer.
  • 4. For Sivakasi - his real name "Muthappa" is listed without brackets, but in Nanban - his real name "Kosaksi Pasapugazh" is listed in brackets.

Editor 2050 (talk) 00:20, 13 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved all your comments, Editor 2050. BTW, there isn't any order for dual roles. I've listed them in alphabetical order of names.  — Ssven2 Looking at you, kid 05:04, 13 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Awesome work. Editor 2050 (talk) 15:00, 13 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]
@Editor 2050: So, support or neutral?  — Ssven2 Looking at you, kid 15:09, 13 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Support: Sources look good too. Editor 2050 (talk) 15:11, 13 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you, Editor 2050. Your thoughts and comments are greatly appreciated.  — Ssven2 Looking at you, kid 15:13, 13 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]
@Editor 2050: Can you do a source review in that case? Officially of course.  — Ssven2 Looking at you, kid 15:13, 13 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Comments from Aoba47
  • The lead image should an ALT description. I would also imagine that the caption should be more descriptive and include where the image was taken for the complete context.
  • I would clarify the last line of the lead's first paragraph. By "unsuccessful", do you mean commercially or critically or both?
  • What is "a lean period"? I would revise this/change the wording to make this clearer.
  • I would change "Uncredited role as child artist" in the table to "Uncredited role as a child artist".

Great work with the list. Once my comments are addressed, I will support this nomination. As someone has never seen even one Indian film, it was an interesting read. Aoba47 (talk) 17:06, 13 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved all your comments, Aoba47.  — Ssven2 Looking at you, kid 17:14, 13 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Support: Great work with the list and good luck with getting it promoted. If possible, could you look at my FLC as well? Aoba47 (talk) 17:19, 13 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you, Aoba47. Your thoughts and comments are greatly appreciated.  — Ssven2 Looking at you, kid 17:26, 13 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]
@PresN, Giants2008, and The Rambling Man: Pinging you for source review.  — Ssven2 Looking at you, kid 09:07, 14 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Just add it to the yellow box at the top of WP:FLC; someone will get to it soon (it doesn't have to be a director/delegate). --PresN 14:41, 15 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Comments from Vensatry

Regretful oppose

  • "Vijay is an Indian actor who works mainly in Tamil language films." - Given he hasn't acted in other languages, do we really need to use mainly here?
Done. Removed mainly.  — Ssven2 Looking at you, kid 06:56, 21 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • "he made his debut as a lead actor in Tamil cinema with" - As it's pretty obvious that he was only acting in Tamil films to that point.
Done. Removed.  — Ssven2 Looking at you, kid 06:56, 21 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • "where he was paired opposite Sangita Madhavan Nair." - Two things. He wasn't paired opposite her (they had a dream duet though). Next, I don't see a reason why the actress' name should be noted here? She wasn't a leading actress even at the peak of her career. It seems his pairing up with other actresses are randomly chosen. He made a hit pair with Simran, but a relatively lesser known actress is preferred to her.
Done. Removed her name.  — Ssven2 Looking at you, kid 06:56, 21 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • "The film's success established him as an up-and-coming actor in Tamil cinema" - This isn't backed up by either of the references.
Done. Removed the sentence.  — Ssven2 Looking at you, kid 06:56, 21 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • "His subsequent films, Fazil's Kadhalukku Mariyadhai (1997) and Vasanth's Nerrukku Ner (1997) were successful" - The latter was released first.
Done. Placed the latter before.  — Ssven2 Looking at you, kid 06:56, 21 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • "Vijay's portrayal of a singer who becomes responsible for the loss of his lover's eyesight in Thulladha Manamum Thullum" - He did not portray a singer but played a cable operator who "aspires" to become a singer. Furthermore, the "earned him the image of a romantic hero.[4][7]" bit isn't verified by the sources.
Done. Tweaked the sentence and found another source to support the romantic hero bit.  — Ssven2 Looking at you, kid 06:56, 21 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • "Vijay began the new millennium with a series of films in the romance genre such as Kushi and Priyamanavale, both of which were released in 2000 and were critical and commercial successes" - Millennium or 2000 - either one should suffice. Next, this sentence implies that Kushi and Priyamanavalae are romance genres.
Done. Removed the 2000 bit. I don't know what yo mean by "Next, this sentence implies that Kushi and Priyamanavalae are romance genres" though, Vensatry.  — Ssven2 Looking at you, kid 06:56, 21 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]
It sounds like Kushi and Priyamanavalae are sub genres of 'romance genres' (and not films). A punctuation can easily solve this issue. —Vensatry (talk) 09:36, 26 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Done.  — Ssven2 Looking at you, kid 14:40, 26 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • "He continued to achieve commercial success with..." - Did he?
Yeah. Both were successful and both the Sreedhar Pillai sources back them. Sivakasi was termed a super hit while Pokkiri was a blockbuster.  — Ssven2 Looking at you, kid 06:56, 21 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • "The latter garnered him his first Filmfare Award nomination for Best Actor." - First? I'm sure the source doesn't mention it.
Done. Removed first.  — Ssven2 Looking at you, kid 06:56, 21 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Wasn't Vettaikaran commercially successful?
2007-10 was undeniably the worst period of Vijay's filmi career (all five movies in this period: ATM, Kuruvi, Villu, Vettaikaaran and Sura bombed with critics, though Vettaikaaran must have been profitable due to the hype forced by Sun Pictures, unlike the other four). But it wasn't successful enough to break the flop streak I believe. Kailash29792 (talk) 07:01, 21 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]
The Times of India source (Reference no. 21) Says Vijay's films from 2007-2010 were failures. But Sify says it is a hit.  — Ssven2 Looking at you, kid 07:08, 21 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Done. Resolved.  — Ssven2 Looking at you, kid 07:43, 21 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Why isn't Nanban mentioned in the lead? I'm sure it would rank among the top ten films of his career.
I'd mention it if he earned a major nomination for his performance. He did win the Ananda Vikatan award for Best Actor and Vijay Award for Entertainer of the Year for Nanban, but are they as significant as Filmfare, which (unfortunately) nominated the film in only two categories? Kailash29792 (talk) 07:34, 21 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]
It probably did not get much significance just because it is a remake (almost frame-by-frame) of 3 Idiots. Thalapathy was brilliant in it though.  — Ssven2 Looking at you, kid 07:08, 21 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]
If Filmfare wins/nominations are going to be the 'yardstick', the lead would nearly be empty. Going by the same 'awards'/critical acclaim logic, how can one include Puli, Bhadri and the likes? —Vensatry (talk) 09:36, 26 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Done. Written a few bits about Nanban.  — Ssven2 Looking at you, kid 15:01, 26 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • "star-studded" is journalese
Done. Written "multi-starrer" instead.  — Ssven2 Looking at you, kid 06:56, 21 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Do we really have sources for the "becoming Vijay's highest grossing film to that point" bit?
Done. Removed the sentence with the reference.  — Ssven2 Looking at you, kid 06:56, 21 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • "The latter featured him along with Mohanlal; both films were successful." - I must say the usage of semicolon is incorrect.
Done. Tweaked this part.  — Ssven2 Looking at you, kid 06:56, 21 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Vijay featured as a tribal ... -> He featured as a tribal ...
Done. As asked.  — Ssven2 Looking at you, kid 06:56, 21 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • I'd suggest you to remove the translations of reference titles as they are misleading and not really helpful. "Do you know why 'Ghilli' Vijay is being given 'Parrot'?" was an eye-roll moment for me!
I have changed the Ghilli reference title.  — Ssven2 Looking at you, kid 06:56, 21 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]
As I said earlier, it's better to remove them as hardly serve a purpose. Besides, they are optional and can very well be explained at the talk page (if reviewers insist upon translating them). I'm not sure whether the outsiders would be able to get 'Kili'? (when some natives are unable to differentiate between the bird and the given term). Perhaps, better translate the articles rather than just their titles on the talk page. —Vensatry (talk) 09:36, 26 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Done. Removed the trans_title fields.  — Ssven2 Looking at you, kid 14:40, 26 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]
    • The lead needs to be more engaging. More than just list down his films, it should provide an authoritative overview of his career by explaining the kind of roles he's played in some (important) films. I've not checked the sources yet, but based on a few spotchecks in the lead this needs a thorough source review. —Vensatry (talk) 06:14, 21 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Additional comments

  • Are you sure that his characters (as uncredited child artist) had no names?
Didn't he play the childhood character of Vijaykanth in some movies? Not a big deal if you're unable to confirm it though. —Vensatry (talk) 07:24, 10 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Refs. #1 and #3 don't mention the character names. You need to find sources for films supported by these refs. Sendhoorapandi, Deva, Rajavin Parvaiyile to name a few.
  • Character name for Poove Unakkaga isn't mentioned in the source.
  • For Kaalamellam Kaathiruppen, neither his role nor the director is mentioned in the ref.
This one is still unaddressed. —Vensatry (talk) 07:24, 10 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Done. Found a reference for it.  — Ssven2 Looking at you, kid 07:59, 11 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • I think the TOI ref. (that supports Nerukku Ner and Once More) needs replacement. Vijay's part in NN isn't covered in the source. Ditto with 'roles' as far as both films are concerned.
  • Character name is missing in the ref. for Kadhalukku Mariyathai.
  • The ref. for Ninaithen Vandhai does not even talk about the film.
Remove the 'parrot' ref. as it does not even talk about the film. —Vensatry (talk) 07:24, 10 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Done. As asked.  — Ssven2 Looking at you, kid 16:08, 10 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • The Hindu ref. (for Priyamudan) doesn't cover role, year and director.
  • Year and role missing in Thulladha Manamum Thullum.

... I'm stopping here for now. I'm sure there are a few more (especially the ones centering around 2000). Be sure to check the remaining ones as well. —Vensatry (talk) 17:41, 1 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

@Vensatry: Resolved your source review comments.  — Ssven2 Looking at you, kid 14:06, 8 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]
I'll have a look tomorrow. —Vensatry (talk) 15:26, 8 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Revisit

  • Sura in the lead is linked to Surah
Done. Redirected to the film.  — Ssven2 Looking at you, kid 16:08, 10 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • For Rajavin Parvaiyile, you could replace the Cinema Junction Tamil link with this one as it seems a verified publisher.
Done. As asked.  — Ssven2 Looking at you, kid 16:08, 10 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • The Dinamalar link (for Nenjinile) talks about all of his films that released during that time except Nenjinile.
Removed link.  — Ssven2 Looking at you, kid 16:08, 10 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Role still missing for Minsara Kanna, Shahjahan, Pokkiri and ATM. Saravanan (for Villu) and Pulivendhan (for Puli) aren't verified in the sources.
Done. Rectified for all.  — Ssven2 Looking at you, kid 16:08, 10 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]
@Vensatry: Can you point me out at least one instance where? I really can't spot it. Is it the references or sentences?  — Ssven2 Looking at you, kid 16:08, 10 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]
In the references. Not just one but ten instances. —Vensatry (talk) 16:32, 10 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]
@Vensatry: I have removed the spacings between the emdashes.  — Ssven2 Looking at you, kid 16:53, 10 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Accessdates are not needed for archived references.
Removed accessdates.  — Ssven2 Looking at you, kid 16:08, 10 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Kumar, S. R. Ashok should be listed as S. R, Ashok Kumar (Kumar is not his last name)
Done. As asked.  — Ssven2 Looking at you, kid 16:08, 10 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • For some reason, the archived Hindu link - for Velayutham - doesn't work (the original link works though).
Done. Rearchived.  — Ssven2 Looking at you, kid 16:08, 10 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Don't we have a English source for Vijay 61?
Done. Replaced with English source.  — Ssven2 Looking at you, kid 16:08, 10 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

—Vensatry (talk) 07:24, 10 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Comments from Krish
  • Support: After reading the list, I feel it meets all the criteria required for an FL.Krish | Talk 07:21, 22 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you, Krish!. Your thoughts and comments are greatly appreciated.  — Ssven2 Looking at you, kid 07:43, 22 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Comment I'll be reviewing this in the next few days. Please hold on any closure decisions before then. The Rambling Man (talk) 22:26, 25 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Comments from Cowlibob
Resolved comments from Cowlibob (talk) 21:05, 1 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Why was Poove Unakkaga his breakthrough role?
Because his films before that were flops. He did not have a major hit nor was he that well known until Poove Unakkaga.  — Ssven2 Looking at you, kid 09:47, 27 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • What made Vasanth's Nerrukku Ner (1997) successful? Was his role acclaimed or was it commercially successful?
Done. Both ways.  — Ssven2 Looking at you, kid 09:47, 27 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Cable operator sentence needs to be reworded as it makes it sound that he became known as a romantic hero for causing the loss of eyesight of his heroine in the film.
Can you help me provide an alternative word for it? He works as a Cable TV operator.  — Ssven2 Looking at you, kid 09:47, 27 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • "All of his films released for the next year-and-a-half did not do well" sounds colloquially. Could this be reworded, I presume these films did not perform well in the box office or his role in the films was criticised.
Done. Rephrased.  — Ssven2 Looking at you, kid 09:47, 27 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Was Thirumalai a reinvention for Vijay akin to McConaughey's?
Not really. He became a more bigger star a la Rajinikanth-type after it. Until then, he was mostly the Hugh Grant kind of guy.  — Ssven2 Looking at you, kid 09:47, 27 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Was his Kaththi role more of a thief and an activist?
Done. Changed to activist.  — Ssven2 Looking at you, kid 09:47, 27 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Why is the role(s) column in the table so large, lots of empty space?
Huh? Maybe because his character's name in Nanban is big.  — Ssven2 Looking at you, kid 09:47, 27 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • alt text needed for main image
Done. As asked.  — Ssven2 Looking at you, kid 09:47, 27 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • I seem to recall archive.is being blacklisted in the past, I don't know if it still is. Would it be possible to provide alternative archived links?
@Cowlibob: Archive.is is not blocked anymore, otherwise I wouldn't be using it. Webcite is not functioning properly. TOI and some of the old references from The Hindu (pre-2005) aren't properly archived in web.archive.org aka wayback.  — Ssven2 Looking at you, kid 09:47, 27 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Cowlibob (talk) 20:24, 26 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Comments from The Rambling Man
Resolved comments from The Rambling Man (talk) 11:06, 1 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]
*Image caption is a fragment, needs no full stop.
  • Chandrasekhar mentioned three times in two sentences, needs rework to avoid repetition.
  • "were critically" needs a comma before.
  • "earned him the image of" do you mean he gained a reputation?
  • "under performed" -> "underperformed"
  • ₹500 needs a link to the currency.

The Rambling Man (talk) 10:39, 1 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Your comments have been resolved, The Rambling Man.  — Ssven2 Looking at you, kid 11:04, 1 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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