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The list was promoted by Matthewedwards 22:39, 27 June 2009 [1].

List of Olympic medalists in badminton edit

Nominator(s): -- [[SRE.K.A.L.|L.A.K.ERS]] 22:07, 12 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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My second nomination involving Olympic medalists. I'm sure there will be sourcing comments, and grammar/copy-edit issues, so feel free to post your comments! -- [[SRE.K.A.L.|L.A.K.ERS]] 22:07, 12 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved comments from Reywas92
Comments
  • That should be a Main article link in the lead, not a see also.
Done. -- [[SRE.K.A.L.|L.A.K.ERS]] 03:36, 14 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Focus on the history, winners, and tournament in the lead, not so much on qualification.
    • It appears that's copied from Badminton at the Summer Olympics. I'd recommend having unique material.
      • Tried to change the words...also, there's barely any history on badminton in the Olympics. The winners are already focused on the lead. -- [[SRE.K.A.L.|L.A.K.ERS]] 03:36, 14 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • You may want to link to the Olympics articles for "since 1992" and the "following Summer Olympics".
Done. -- [[SRE.K.A.L.|L.A.K.ERS]] 03:36, 14 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • "Indonesia and South Korea are the only other nations to have won six gold and fifteen medals." should be simplified to something like "more than five medals."
Done. -- [[SRE.K.A.L.|L.A.K.ERS]] 03:36, 14 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Done. -- [[SRE.K.A.L.|L.A.K.ERS]] 03:36, 14 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • How many different athletes have won medals? Do you know the oldest and youngest winners? There may be other good stats on the other FLs.
I do know the youngest winner, but not the oldest. Also, after trying to fix the medals by year table, I'm really tired... -- [[SRE.K.A.L.|L.A.K.ERS]] 03:36, 14 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I think the medal sweep events are waste of space for this article, since there was only one. I'll mention it though it the lead. As for the others, Done.
P.S. Please fix the medals by year table. I don't know how to fix it. Thanks. -- [[SRE.K.A.L.|L.A.K.ERS]] 03:36, 14 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Reywas92Talk 02:30, 14 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

  • That's fine if you don't want the sweep if there's only one. I looked at the medals by year but have no clue how to fix it. Ask Scorpion, who made the others. Everything else looks fantastic and thanks for your time on it. Reywas92Talk 15:50, 14 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    Is that what you're looking for on the medals by year table? -- Jonel (Speak to me) 01:32, 16 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    Sorry, but it was my first time making that kind of table, and took me forever, so I kind of rushed it. Also, thanks for fixing the table to be consistent with the other Medals by year tables. -- [[SRE.K.A.L.|L.A.K.ERS]] 03:25, 16 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Comment – Images need a check from a knowledgeable editor. The Lin Dan photo has "Me" as the author, the Taufik Hidayat picture needs an OTRS ticket number (assuming it received one), and I'm unsure about the mural image. Giants2008 (17-14) 22:33, 16 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I'll fix the Lin Dan photo later, as I already know it was taken by the same person as the Zhang Ning photo (from quality of image, and same uploader). The T. Hidayat photo already has permission from the original source, though no proof that this is true, but I would probably AGF that. The mural image is probably a problem, since I don't know which 2 of the 4 brothers are on the mural, and it's also not a photo. I'll take that one off if you request me to. I don't know that much editors who know how to image check, so it'll be awesome if you know any I can contact. -- [[SRE.K.A.L.|L.A.K.ERS]] 22:43, 16 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
For a thorough image check, I recommend asking User:Jappalang, who does great reviews at FAC. Giants2008 (17-14) 21:32, 17 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Also David Fuchs (talk · contribs) and Awadewit (talk · contribs), although the latter is usually busy. Dabomb87 (talk) 22:30, 17 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Asked Jappalang. -- [[SRE.K.A.L.|L.A.K.ERS]] 22:30, 21 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Support, all issues resolved. Dabomb87 (talk) 01:22, 23 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved issues, Dabomb87 (talk)
Comments from Dabomb87 (talk · contribs)
  • "This is the only Olympic sport to have mixed doubles." "This" is ambiguous, use "Badminton" instead.
  • "though each National Olympic Committee" "although" is better in this register.
  • "highest ranked competitor"-->highest-ranked competitor
  • Image caption: "Zhang Ning won two consecutive gold medals from 2004 and 2008."-->Zhang Ning won two consecutive gold medals, in 2004 and 2008. Dabomb87 (talk) 14:08, 17 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Sources look good. Dabomb87 (talk) 14:08, 17 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

This might be unpopular but it seems through discussion with Dabomb and others here and here that the 3 letter abbreviations do not comply with WP:MOSFLAG. From what I can gather either the flags need removing or the full country names need giving. Rambo's Revenge (talk) 23:30, 19 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Replaced the IOC flag templates. -- [[SRE.K.A.L.|L.A.K.ERS]] 05:38, 20 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment Could you remove the use of the word "and" from the tables? It's a tad distracting and I think they would look better with the names aligned. (so {{flagIOCteam|INA|1996 Summer}}<br>[[Antonius Ariantho]]<br>[[Denny Kantono]] rather than {{flagIOCteam|INA|1996 Summer}}<br>[[Antonius Ariantho]]<br>and [[Denny Kantono]]. -- Scorpion0422 20:45, 21 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Done. -- [[SRE.K.A.L.|L.A.K.ERS]] 20:55, 21 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose on an image:

  • File:Taufik Hidayat.jpg: there is a claim of OTRS but that was since 20 April 2008. Even if the OTRS is received, the photo is suspiciously enough a scan from a magazine (texture, caption, and the orange border at bottom right—sign of a bad alignment and crop) that it should be nominated for deletion. The hosting webmaster is not the author of the scan (it was donated) and we should not assume he recognised a possible copyright infringment.

Other Images are appropriately licensed. Jappalang (talk) 11:56, 22 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Removed image. -- [[SRE.K.A.L.|L.A.K.ERS]] 20:40, 22 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Support – I previously did some cleanup in the lead, and feel comfortable supporting now that the images have checked out. Giants2008 (17-14) 21:25, 23 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved comments from The Rambling Man (talk) 11:11, 27 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
*Mild oppose sorry to be late here, just saw your note to Scorpion so I thought I'd better roll my sleeves up... a few points:
  • Suggest you link demonstration sport.
Done. -- [[SRE.K.A.L.|L.A.K.ERS]] 08:02, 24 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Be consistent with either Year Olympics or Year Summer Olympics or Year Games ...
Done. -- [[SRE.K.A.L.|L.A.K.ERS]] 08:02, 24 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Worth explaining how two people could get bronze in one year. Presumably there was no 3rd place playoff?
Since it's 1:00am here, I'll trying to research about that after I finish sleeping. -- [[SRE.K.A.L.|L.A.K.ERS]] 08:02, 24 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Explained about the bronze medal situations in the 1992 Olympics. -- [[SRE.K.A.L.|L.A.K.ERS]] 21:28, 24 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • "Malaysia joined the Summer Olympics" do you "join" or do you "participate in"?
Fixed. -- [[SRE.K.A.L.|L.A.K.ERS]] 08:02, 24 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Singles tables have the country and country code in italics - should the doubles table have the players in italics as you have the country and country code in regular font?
Well I'm trying to be consistent with other Olympic medalists by sport lists. Also, that's how Scorpion0422 formatted in List of 2008 Summer Olympics medal winners. -- [[SRE.K.A.L.|L.A.K.ERS]] 08:02, 24 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • "from 2000 to 2004" this is true but odd since there was only a tournament in 2000 and 2004, so perhaps "in 2000 and 2004".
Done. -- [[SRE.K.A.L.|L.A.K.ERS]] 08:04, 24 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Interesting starting order for medalists - most Olympic tables I see published place gold medal winners above those with only silver, silver above those with only bronze. Has this already been discussed? Perhaps a note to say the original order is in terms of total medal wins?
Uhh...the table is by total medals, and I don't know if this has been discussed at WP:OLYMPICS. I also don't think a note is really necessary, but I'll notify WP:OLYMPICS after my sleep. -- [[SRE.K.A.L.|L.A.K.ERS]] 08:02, 24 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah, that's my point. In the UK, we list Olympic medal rankings according to most golds followed by most silvers followed by most bronzes, i.e. someone with one gold will rank higher than someone with 50 silver and 200 bronze. The Rambling Man (talk) 15:35, 24 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I've changed it to golds first, since that's how the IOC rank the nations, by gold. -- [[SRE.K.A.L.|L.A.K.ERS]] 21:16, 24 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Is bold-alone accessible? i.e. should the highest medal count countries been designated with an additional mark?
I don't think so, since it looks pretty obvious, and the table only has seven countries, so...but if if think noting the highest medal count country is necessary, I'll add it into the list. 08:02, 24 June 2009 (UTC)

Let me know as soon as you're done with these and I'll happily revise my opinion. The Rambling Man (talk) 06:56, 24 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

  • Interestingly if you sort by total you don't get it in rank (or reverse rank) order. Surely rank and total should provide the same sort, if this table relates to the total number of medals won?
I made the ranks to ties, just so that the table will have the same sort. -- [[SRE.K.A.L.|L.A.K.ERS]] 08:02, 24 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Broken sorting now. Also not happy with Tx. Possibly better off not having that column at all. The Rambling Man (talk) 15:35, 24 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Fixed sorting. I kind of like the T# on the table, since they are ranked base off how many golds they have. -- [[SRE.K.A.L.|L.A.K.ERS]] 21:16, 24 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Rank still doesn't sort the same as either total medals or number of golds. Also, could you not use 4= instead of T4? The Rambling Man (talk) 07:18, 25 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Was done two days ago. Sorry for the late notice. -- [[SRE.K.A.L.|L.A.K.ERS]] 00:11, 27 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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