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Laureus World Sports Award for Sportswoman of the Year edit

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Nominator(s): The Rambling Man (talk) 14:01, 18 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I am nominating this for featured list because I found it like this and thought, for such a prominent award (comparable to an Oscar) it deserved better, so I spent a few hours tweaking and referencing, and here we are. I would be looking to possibly roll this format out over some of the other Laureus Award lists, so let's really get this one right before we move on. As such, all comments and suggestions on how to improve the list are very much appreciated, and will be attended to as soon as practicable. Cheers in advance for your time and interest. The Rambling Man (talk) 14:01, 18 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

  • Great minds... (WP:NPA adjusted comment!) Harrias talk 18:16, 18 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]
    Harrias well let's work this lot up together. Anything you'd do differently here? Feel free to suggest changes and then we'll co-nom the rest of them? The Rambling Man (talk) 18:27, 18 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]
    Actually, although this wasn't the format I'd been working on, I prefer it to my approach. I'm going to start doing some work on the disability list is that's okay? Harrias talk 11:26, 19 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]
    Permission granted! I would hold off on anything too radical, I can foresee that all of the Laureus lists will (should) share a common opening para or so, with variations on a theme thereafter, and table formats, ref formats etc should also follow suit, hence why I think it'd be best to see this one to a conclusion before putting too much into any of the others. Unless you're certain I've got some/all of the aspects okay (in which case you could support this nom, if not, you could review this nom!). The Rambling Man (talk) 11:30, 19 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]
    Pfft, everyone wants something these days! Harrias talk 16:56, 19 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Resolved comments from Harrias talk 21:42, 19 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]
;Comments from Harrias talk
  • "..award come from The Laureus Nominations Panel.." could probably be a lower-case "the"
    Done. The Rambling Man (talk) 18:39, 19 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Typo in the key: "nomination was later rescindeded" (this is also in the Statistics key).
    Done. The Rambling Man (talk) 18:39, 19 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • The table looks good and sorts fine. I have a couple of queries; they aren't necessarily improvements, just possible alternatives.
    • Rather than [[Lindsay Davenport]] ({{flag|USA}}) to create "Lindsay Davenport ( USA)" is there any value in switching to {{flagathlete|Lindsay Davenport|USA}} to create " Lindsay Davenport (USA)"?
      Im not sure, is that better or worse? The Rambling Man (talk) 18:39, 19 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]
      I've looked again, and realised that my choice of layout was for consistency against the previous columns, i.e "Name, flag/nationality, sport", so unless there's a strong reason why the current format blows, I'm inclined to stick with it... The Rambling Man (talk) 19:42, 19 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]
      No, that's fine; it was just a template that I'd seen look smart before, but you're right that the format matches better like this. Harrias talk 21:42, 19 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]
    • Should the sports of the nominations be linked where they don't appear otherwise (such as Nordic skiing in this list).
      I suspect they should. Then should I link every sport every time (sortable table, after all...) I think I answered my own question... Working... The Rambling Man (talk) 18:39, 19 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]
      That's all done now. The Rambling Man (talk) 19:40, 19 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • On my screen there is a big gap between the Winners by nationality table and Winners by sport table, but the Winners by sport table and Multiple winners and nominees are touching.
    Me too, glad it's not just my browser/OS combo. Not sure how to fix that, any ideas? I'm sure the List of international goals scored by Wayne Rooney had a multi-column set of summary tables... The Rambling Man (talk) 19:40, 19 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]
    Yay, cheers Wazza, fixed. The Rambling Man (talk) 19:44, 19 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Typo in ref #35: "Retuers"
    Done. The Rambling Man (talk) 18:39, 19 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Ref #37 needs an accessdate. Harrias talk 16:56, 19 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]
    Done. The Rambling Man (talk) 18:39, 19 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]
    Harrias all done/responded to. Let me know how you feel about it. The Rambling Man (talk) 19:42, 19 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comments This is looking really good. I have a couple copyedit suggestions for the lead:
  1. "As of 2017, American tennis player Serena Williams has won the most awards with three, in 2003, 2010, and 2016." change to "has won the most awards with three: in 2003, 2010, and 2016."
  2. Nominations in the second-to-last sentence is spelled incorrectly.

Hmlarson (talk) 18:39, 23 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

  • Support looks good. Thanks for your work on this. Hmlarson (talk) 18:46, 23 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]
    Thank you, it's a pleasure. I'm always on the lookout for more such award lists, and if they happen to be about women, then win-win for the project as a whole. Let me know if you have anything in mind. The Rambling Man (talk) 18:48, 23 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment. Do you not think the figures in the numeric columns in the Statistics section would look better (and be easier to read) if they were centred rather than crammed up against the left-hand border? cheers, Struway2 (talk) 12:36, 31 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]
    Struway2 It might do, but as far as I can tell, that would mean adding "style="text-align:center;" to every single cell, unless you know of another way of doing it? The Rambling Man (talk) 12:57, 31 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]
    No, it's okay, "style="text-align: center" in the class line worked out. The Rambling Man (talk) 13:05, 31 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]
    Does look better. Thank you, Struway2 (talk) 15:08, 31 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]
    Struway2 no worries, have adjusted all the similar articles I've been working on accordingly. Cheers. The Rambling Man (talk) 15:09, 31 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support prose looks pristine and the list looks to meet guidelines. Don't see any reason why this should not be a featured list. Only two queries:
    • Add the author of citation four and the agency.
    • Consider archiving the sources that haven't already been archived so that you need not worry about link rot. MWright96 (talk) 20:21, 31 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]
      • Hello MWright96, thanks very much for your comments. Which citation did you mean? [4] is the Laureus organisation and has no author or agency? I'll look into how to easily archive the unarchived sources in due course. Cheers. The Rambling Man (talk) 20:38, 31 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]
        • @The Rambling Man: My apologies. Was looking in the wrong place. I meant citation five. MWright96 (talk) 20:50, 31 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]
          • MWright96 ok, ref updated, I'll work on the links in slower time if that's okay because I reuse many of them across several articles. Thanks for your interest and support! The Rambling Man (talk) 20:55, 31 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Resolved comments from BeatlesLedTV (talk) 19:52, 1 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
;Comments by BeatlesLedTV
  • Center the ref & year columns.
    I'm not overly keen on that, because it's a lot (a LOT) of coding for little aesthetic benefit, especially when those cols are so narrow the alignment is almost irrelevant because the content fills the cells. The Rambling Man (talk) 19:47, 1 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Retitle ref column "Refs" as each year has two refs each.
    Done. The Rambling Man (talk) 19:47, 1 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

That's all I got. Great job! BeatlesLedTV (talk) 18:16, 1 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

BeatlesLedTV thanks for your comments, responses above. The Rambling Man (talk) 19:47, 1 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support. Alright that's totally fine. I don't blame you that would be a lot of coding. Anyways I got nothing else. Great job! Care to check out my FLC? BeatlesLedTV (talk) 19:52, 1 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

PresN, Giants2008, this appears to be okay but needs a source review before promotion, would either of you be so kind? Thanks. The Rambling Man (talk) 21:37, 1 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Source review – Just one small issue to fix from my checks:

  • All of the sources are reliable.
  • The only formatting issue I see is that the two book references (numbers 3 and 22) should have 13-digit ISBN numbers, not the 10-digit variety. Do an online search for an ISBN converter and you should be able to find a site that will do the job (the Library of Congress has one that works for me).
  • The link-checker tool shows no dead links.
  • Spot-checks of refs 15, 33, and 35 came up clean. Giants2008 (Talk) 22:26, 1 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Giants2008 thanks, I've converted those isbns. Everything else seems in order. The Rambling Man (talk) 07:31, 2 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
With that change, this source review has been passed. Giants2008 (Talk) 01:33, 3 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Comments Support from JennyOz

Some of these questions and suggestions might also be relevant to each of the other Laureus articles.

  • Engvar - "honoring"? The Laureus website uses: organisation, honour, colour, favouritism etc and their registered office is in London.
    Fixed, have been dwelling on that a while, thanks for the nudge. The Rambling Man (talk) 19:41, 2 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • "... at the annual awards ceremony held in various locations around the world." - could use 'at an annual awards ceremony' to reduce ambiguity (ie 'the' ceremony is in one place)
    Fixed. The Rambling Man (talk) 19:41, 2 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • "rescindments" - rescissions?
    Adjusted. The Rambling Man (talk) 19:41, 2 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • (When awards are rescinded, they aren't reallocated as are Olympic medals? Just worth a note here to confirm for future reference in case anyone else wonders.)
    They aren't reallocated, per the Laureus official ebsite. The Rambling Man (talk) 19:41, 2 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Re Biles - this clarifies she was first to win 4 gold since Szabo 1984 and first to win 5 medals since 2008. But maybe you could add her bronze to last sentence of lede.
    Well, it was her gold medals that won her the award really, but yes, it's the "since" bit that's been vaguely controversial thanks to CNN getting it wrong. It's okay as it stands, I don't want to read too much into it. The Rambling Man (talk) 19:41, 2 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Why does this say Serena has won 4? Had she won one in another award category?
    There are 34 categories, including female tennis player of the year.... so I guess yes. The Rambling Man (talk) 19:41, 2 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Winners and nominations - I know it must be intentional but don't understand why totals read as if winners were not also nominees. Per the Oscar analogy "and the nominees are w, x, y, z, ... and the winner is y". So with eg "American sportswomen have won more awards and nominations than any other nationality, with seven wins and twenty-one nominations.", isn't it 'more correct' to say "seven wins plus twenty-one other nominations." (ie equals seven wins out of twenty-eight nominations)?
If that is right (and I'm not batty) then for the main table column - (I'm certainly not suggesting to add the winners back in), re-label it from "Nominees" to "Other nominees"?
And the header for the main table would change from "List of winners and nominees" to 'List of winners and other nominees'
Maybe this is a Engvar thing because to me if I see a list of "winners" which this is, and then some "nominees", I assume the "nominees" aren't winners, particularly when there's "winner" column... The Rambling Man (talk) 19:41, 2 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Main table - have checked all names links, nationality, flag and sport
    Yay. The Rambling Man (talk) 19:41, 2 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Winners' sports are capitalised but not nominees', intentional.
Yes. The Rambling Man (talk) 19:41, 2 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Statistics tables
Key - "Indicates total(s) excluding those of individuals whose award(s) and/or nomination(s) were later rescinded" - "Indicates totals which exclude rescissions."?
Done, both words are reprehensibly vile. The Rambling Man (talk) 19:41, 2 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
"Winners by sport" table - maybe re-label to "Sport by winners"?
I'm not sure, it's list of winners by the sport they play, otherwise it would be alphabetical in terms of sport... The Rambling Man (talk) 19:41, 2 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Template - checked, matches list.
    Thanks! The Rambling Man (talk) 19:41, 2 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Is it possible to use Mandela's so powerful quote from here or would it be against some MoS layout guide to include it at bottom of (each) article after last tables? Maybe I'm just soppy but Laureus themselves say it is the "driving force" for the movement.
"Sport has the power to change the world. It has the power to inspire. It has the power to unite people in a way that little else does. It speaks to youth in a language they understand. Sport can create hope, where once there was only despair." Nelson Mandela, Patron of Laureus at inaugural awards ceremony 2000
  • No, it's possible, probably not after the tables, more likely at the end of the lead, but I'd like to see what others have to say about that before implementing it across all these various articles, Harrias in particular. The Rambling Man (talk) 19:41, 2 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
I think as long as it is put in context as a quote, and the relevance of the quote explained, this would be worth including somewhere; I'm not sure whether it should be in each of these lists though, or whether it would be better just placed in the parent article, Laureus World Sports Awards? Harrias talk 10:22, 3 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

That's it. Please ignore anything that is not helpful. Thanks for the work on this set. JennyOz (talk) 18:20, 2 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

JennyOz thanks, as ever, for your useful comments. I've responded to them all above I think, please let me know what you think. All the best, The Rambling Man (talk) 19:41, 2 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Very happy to now support. JennyOz (talk) 03:56, 4 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Support. I cannot find anything to quibble about, but why is it called Laureus? Dudley Miles (talk) 12:22, 3 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks Dudley Miles, named after the organisaton behind the World Sports Awards, I don't know where they derived the name from... The Rambling Man (talk) 12:41, 3 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Resolved comments by Ianblair23 (talk) 08:56, 4 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
:Hi TRM, I read through the comments above and have made some edits to the list. I have centre aligned the main table as BeatlesLedTV suggested above. Also I think the Nelson Mandela quote should be in the parent article only, which really needs some work! With that said this is a great list and look forward to reviewing the rest of the series. Please find my comments below:
  • Multiple winners and nominees table
  • Shelly-Ann Fraser-Pryce has been nominated four times
  • See also
  • Move the See also section ahead of the References as per MOS:ORDER
  • References
Cheers – Ianblair23 (talk) 07:48, 4 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Ianblair23 thanks for your comments and tweaks. I'm sure I won't catch them all in the subsequent nominations so apologies if you repeat yourself should you decide to review those as and when they get posted! Cheers, The Rambling Man (talk) 08:46, 4 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

  • Support Fantastic job. The list was in a terrible list when you found it and I'm glad to see this getting the TRM treatment! Cheers – Ianblair23 (talk) 09:00, 4 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
    Thanks Ian, this review has been an awesome reminder of how good and collaborative the community can be, seven commentators and as a result, and if I say so myself, a top-notch resultant list. The Rambling Man (talk) 09:38, 4 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Couldn't agree more TRM. This is exactly what we are trying to do here, build an encyclopedia for our readers. I just wish a few more people around here would remember that. Cheers – Ianblair23 (talk) 10:19, 4 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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