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The following is an archived discussion of a featured article nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured article candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The article was promoted by Hog Farm via FACBot (talk) 27 June 2022 [1].

Shannen Says edit

Nominator(s): Aoba47 (talk) 16:41, 7 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hello everyone! This article is about an American reality television series that documents the preparations for the wedding of actress Shannen Doherty and photographer Kurt Iswarienko. It aired for an eight-episode season on We TV from April 10 to May 13, 2012. Shannen Says had low viewership and ranked below most other programs when it premiered, despite its popularity among women between the ages of 25 and 54. Critics had mixed reviews for the series and Doherty's role on it. The show was released on the iTunes Store and Amazon Video.

I created this article in July 2016, and that year it received a GAN review from @Miyagawa:. In 2018, I opened a peer review for the article and I also participated in a FQSR workshop. In 2020, I initiated a FAC for this article, which I withdrew due to lack of actvity. Recently, I have opened a second peer review, in which I received very helpful feedback from @MaranoFan:, @FrB.TG:, @Pseud 14:, @SNUGGUMS:, and @ChrisTheDude:. As always, I would greatly appreciate any feedback. Thank you in advance! Aoba47 (talk) 16:41, 7 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

NØ edit

  • Image review—pass, no licensing issues and there are succint captions and alt texts.
  • Support for promotion on the strength of my comments at the peer review.--NØ 16:45, 7 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Thank you for the image review and support! Aoba47 (talk) 02:57, 8 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

SNUGGUMS edit

  • Support all my concerns were already addressed at the peer review. SNUGGUMS (talk / edits) 16:54, 7 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

FrB.TG edit

  • Source review—pass
  • I don't like the use of US Weekly but I see this was already addressed in the PR so no issues here.
  • It is a fair concern, but it is mostly used because the wedding was exclusively covered in the magazine. Aoba47 (talk) 03:02, 8 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • What makes IrishCentral a high-quality reliable source?
  • I have removed this citation from the article as other better citations already cover this information. Aoba47 (talk) 03:02, 8 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Source 35 redirects to the main website.
  • I have marked that both the Broadcasting & Cable citations are dead. Aoba47 (talk) 03:02, 8 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • "Miller approved the show's pitch because he believed Doherty would be an appealing candidate for reality television." The source says that Miller found the pitch portrayed Dohetry as "unfiltered, honest and vulnerable" and that "I would watch her go to a supermarket...She’s insanely compelling." It doesn't mention her being an appealing candidate for reality TV.
  • Good point. Apologies for that misinterpretation of the original source. I have used the quotations instead. Aoba47 (talk) 03:02, 8 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Spot-checked about five other sources. No issues with source-to-text integrity. FrB.TG (talk) 17:27, 7 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • @FrB.TG: Thank you for spot-checking. I believe that I have addressed everything, but please let me know if there is anything else I can do to improve the article further. Aoba47 (talk) 03:02, 8 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Pseud 14 edit

  • Support on prose based on my comments addressed during the peer review. Pseud 14 (talk) 18:44, 7 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support - as mentioned above, I PR'ed the article and don't really have anything further to add...... -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 15:51, 10 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Support from Gog the Mild edit

Recusing to review.

  • "It was Doherty's third wedding since her previous marriages to actor Ashley Hamilton and poker player Rick Salomon ended in 1994 and 2003, respectively." The use of "since" indicates that this is Doherty's fifth marriage. Is that correct?
  • This would be her third marriage (i.e. her third wedding). I have removed "since" and reworded that part with a semi-colon. Let me know if that is an improvement or not. Aoba47 (talk) 23:12, 13 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • "They purchased a RED camera to film the series since they wanted it to be ..." I think this needs an in line explanation as to how a RED camera would help achieve the desired effect.
  • That is a good question. Doherty did not really get into the specifics of this choice. From my impression of the interview with Doherty, she wanted to make sure the show looked as nice as possible from a visual/cinematography perspective by having what she viewed as better equipment. I tried to include the "you do want it to look spectacular" quote in the previous sentence to convey this sentiment, but I am more than open for ideas on how to better represent this information. Aoba47 (talk) 23:24, 13 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I am not sure that "RED camera" would mean much to most readers. How about 'expensive new camera'? You could still link it to RED camera if you wished.
  • Revised with your suggestion. Thank you. Aoba47 (talk) 13:50, 14 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • "wedding and divorce from". Perhaps 'wedding to and divorce from'?
  • Very good catch. The previous wording was not grammatically correct and the suggestion is much better. Aoba47 (talk) 23:12, 13 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • "Promotional materials emphasized her conflict with Iswarienko." Is more detail known as to the nature of the conflict?
  • This sentence was pulled from the following quote from the source: "two busy career-focused individuals with strong and often conflicting viewpoints". When looking at it again, I do not my sentence in the article accurately represents the source as it does not explicitly say that the promotional material hyped this part. I was referring more to the personal conflicts between the two as they prepare for the wedding, but this part does not seem entirely useful so I removed it. Aoba47 (talk) 23:24, 13 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • "Like the series premiere, the second episode aired on Tuesday night at 10 pm EST". The same Tuesday or the following?
  • Revised. It should be the following week. Aoba47 (talk) 23:24, 13 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • "after a week-long gap, two episodes were aired every Sunday night". From Tuesday to Sunday isn't a week - it is either 5 or 12 days.
  • Fair point. The intention was more so to convey that the third episode did not air the immediate week after the second, but I agree that it is best to be more accurate. It would be 12 days at least according to Google. Aoba47 (talk) 23:24, 13 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • "Shannen Says ended on May 12, 2012,[1] and a writer from The Futon Critic reported that it was cancelled after being "on hiatus for longer than 12 months – without any news about its future"." This puts two not very connected points in the same sentence. I first read this as meaning it was cancelled on May 12 after 12 months on hiatus. Perhaps move the cancellation point to a separate sentence at the end of the paragraph?

Gog the Mild (talk) 18:27, 13 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  • That is understandable. I have moved the cancellation sentence to the end of the paragraph per your request. Aoba47 (talk) 00:18, 14 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • @Gog the Mild: Thank you for your review. I greatly appreciate it. I believe that I have addressed everything, but let me know if either I missed anything or if there is anything else in the article that would benefit from further revision or work in general. I hope you are having a great start to your week! Aoba47 (talk) 00:18, 14 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Looking good. Only a come back re the camera from me. Gog the Mild (talk) 09:59, 14 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Support from TheSandDoctor edit

I've read it over and agree that it is written to the standard expected of featured articles and do not have any concerns. Well done, @Aoba47:! --TheSandDoctor Talk 23:07, 25 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Status update edit

  • @FAC coordinators: Apologies for the ping. If possible, I would greatly appreciate a status update on this nomination. Thank you in advance! Aoba47 (talk) 23:42, 26 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I'll try to do a read-through of the general FAC list this evening. Hog Farm Talk 00:26, 27 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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