User talk:Voice of Clam/Archives/2023

DYK for Railway with a Heart of Gold

On 12 January 2023, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Railway with a Heart of Gold, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that the documentary Railway with a Heart of Gold has actual footage of a derailment captured whilst the filmmaker was attached to the side of the train? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Railway with a Heart of Gold. You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (here's how, Railway with a Heart of Gold), and the hook may be added to the statistics page after its run on the Main Page has completed. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

-- RoySmith (talk) 00:03, 12 January 2023 (UTC)

AIV

Hey Voice of Clam, I'd loaded WP:AIV just before your comment and worked through the backlog — if I'd seen your comment I wouldn't have blocked Rhoudes. Apologies! — TheresNoTime (talk • they/them) 08:59, 30 March 2023 (UTC)

@TheresNoTime: No problem - I was in two minds whether to block or not and decided not too at this point, but I can see why you did. — Voice of Clam (talk) 09:22, 30 March 2023 (UTC)

Redirect from Judeo-Marathi

Hi Voice of Clam,

I noticed you made a redirect from Judeo-Marathi to Marathi in April. I see that you cited the fact that Judeo-Marathi didn't differ significantly from Marathi. I think that your redirect raises important questions about how to categorize Jewish language varieties on Wikipedia.

The criteria for calling a language variety "Judeo-X" differs from typical linguistic criteria (see the introduction to Languages in Jewish Communities, Past and Present, Benjamin and Benor, 2019). Currently, the convention is for all language varieties to have their own page, regardless of linguistic criteria. For examples, see Judaeo-Papiamento, Judaeo-Piedmontese, and others on List of Jewish diaspora languages. This is the convention among researchers who study Jewish language varieties.

But, you make some important points. Perhaps we shouldn't adapt this convention for Wikipedia. It might make sense to use a linguistically informed system for determining whether a variety merits a distinct page. In this case, the remaining varieties can be moved to a single page. In that case, I believe that Wikipedia editors of Jewish history and Jewish sociology pages should be given time to create such a system.

In the meantime, I believe it makes sense to keep the Judeo-Marathi page to ensure consistency across pages. (Personally, I was surprised by the redirect when I tried to find the page just now given the existing conventions.) I'm happy to work on improving the Judeo-Marathi page should the redirect be removed.

All the best, _{too_much} curiosity (talk) 19:32, 12 June 2023 (UTC)

@Toomuchcuriosity: this is not a subject I have any knowledge of at all I'm afraid. The reason I converted Judeo-Marathi to a redirect was because it had been nominated for deletion as a WP:PROD, and I took the view that it was better to redirect it to an apparently related article than deleting it completely. Before redirecting, the article looked like this. You are welcome to revert to that version and remove the PROD tag if you wish to contest it. Also pinging Saimdusan who nominated the article for PROD, and may know more about the subject than I do. — Voice of Clam (talk) 22:33, 12 June 2023 (UTC)

Thank you for your help! I will discuss it with Saimdusan. _{too_much} curiosity (talk) 01:49, 13 June 2023 (UTC)

Thank you for the pings. I have seen your message and responded to it on the talk page for the Judeo-Marathi article. Hoping we can iron this out in a way that makes sense. saɪm duʃan Talk|Contribs 10:06, 3 July 2023 (UTC)

Need help on Swati tribe article

Dear admin I found your talk page from recent active admins and I wanna explain a issue regarding a propaganda on our tribe. I am leader of Swati tribe from Pakistan and We speak Pashto. Around 60-70% of our tribe Speaks Pashto and we strictly follow Pashtun Culture but there are some users which you can see in edit history of that page like Sutyarashi. They were trying to prove Swatis of Hindu races like Dardic. They are very much active on our tribe page and edit immediately whenever I or anyone made changes. I provided them a lot of reference but they said these references belongs to Colonial era i.e Written by British Government which are not acceptable on Wikipedia then I provided references from old books and then they said It should be publish by a good publishing company. Then I open their reference through which they were trying to change our origin and on the same page there was mentioned Swatis are maybe arabs which was totally opposite to their citation text. Then he agreed with me on his talk page and then I provided him the reference from the current research of Hazara University in which Swatis are mentioned as Tajiks and which is correct research according to Wikipedia rules and he accepted too this but still he didn't write tajik on page and again find some references in which some Dardic tribes were refered as Tajiks but Swatis are not mention in that reference. I checked. But Still they trying to impose that on page again and again and not writing Tajik Or Pashtun but Dardic without any reference Please I need help. I don't know much how to use Wikipedia but please save us from their propaganda. Khan Of Naral (talk) 11:18, 1 August 2023 (UTC)

Suggest salting of that attack page

If attack pages keep being made, maybe add the name plus Walgreens to the title blacklist so that any page made will be rejected, I doubt any Walgreens manager is going to be notable enough for Wikipedia, at least not as a manager. I'm avoiding naming the person being attacked here to WP:DENY Gatemansgc (TɅ̊LK) 07:54, 25 November 2023 (UTC)

I've got the page on my watchlist. Salting the page could just mean they recreate it with a slightly different title. I don't think it's worth making a change on MediaWiki:Titleblacklist at present - if it becomes long term abuse then I will suggest it (I don't have the Regex skills to do it myself) — Voice of Clam (talk) 08:47, 25 November 2023 (UTC)

Copied from...

Jack Coventry Jimfbleak - talk to me? 16:35, 1 December 2023 (UTC)

Can I please have a copy of the now deleted page.Fleets (talk) 16:27, 1 December 2023 (UTC)

@Jimfbleak and Fleets: Resored to Draft:Jack Coventry — Voice of Clam (talk) 18:26, 1 December 2023 (UTC)

Many thanks, much appreciated.Fleets (talk) 11:32, 3 December 2023 (UTC)

December music

December songs

story · music

Thank you for having written Main Page history manually! Some are missing from former periods, could you perhaps do those also? Two red links on my user page, and usually it concerned other days before and after as well. - Today's story is about Maria Callas, on her centenary. - Aaron Copland died OTD. -- Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:59, 2 December 2023 (UTC)

I've just done today's history, and can go back and do some archives manually, but it's more complicated than doing it on the day. It means going back through the history of template:ITN to get a copy from the right day, and also the number of articles count will be wrong. If you let me know which days you want I'll do those as a priority. — Voice of Clam (talk) 19:47, 2 December 2023 (UTC)

That would be so sweet! The two dates mentioned above are 25 June and 21 November, for the (reviewed) TFA. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:13, 3 December 2023 (UTC)

It may be a bit longer than anticipated - WP:DYK is causing issues as well as WP:ITN. But I'll keep working on it in my spare time, and see if I can simplify the process as much as possible. — Voice of Clam (talk) 16:21, 4 December 2023 (UTC)

@Gerda Arendt: - not forgotten about this, but very busy IRL at present. It won't be for another few days at least. — Voice of Clam (talk) 08:22, 8 December 2023 (UTC)

Take your time. - My story today is about Michael Robinson, - it's an honour to have known him. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:35, 13 December 2023 (UTC)

I've raised a couple of queries on WP:VPT to see if there's a way of getting round a couple of technical problems. They're not insurmountable, but I just want to find out if there's an easier way of doing what I want to do. — Voice of Clam (talk) 16:42, 13 December 2023 (UTC)

Thank you for doing that! - Today, I have a special story to tell, of the works of a musician born 300 years ago. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:19, 22 December 2023 (UTC)