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Gagauz people
They're considered a distinct ethnic group within Oghuz branch among Turkic people. Azeris also originate from Seljuks, but they are not considered "Turkish". —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mttll (talk • contribs) 22:31, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
User: Jingby
Please Turco85, read the article about Iraqi Turkmen - they are a distinct Turkic ethnic group living in Turkmeneli, Iraq, and about Syrian Turkmen, who are Syrian citizens of Oghuz Turkish descent. They are different Turkic peoples. Jingby (talk) 13:52, 6 February 2009 (UTC)
Thank You
Yes you made my day better! You have been doing great in the articles. I see you have not started the Turks in Greece article yet. Good luck! Thetruthonly (talk) 23:28, 10 February 2009 (UTC)
- No I have not started it yet... I got what you meant so I am waiting for you to stop being busy so we can start it. But I will be doing all the other immigrant countries haha :D Turco85 (talk) 17:38, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
Selam
Josua project'in neden kullanilmasina karsisin ???(Why are you against the joshua project???)--Sero198819:30 16 February 2009 —Preceding undated comment was added at 18:31, 16 February 2009 (UTC).
Turkish communities outside Turkey
Hello, just wanted to let you know I've removed this category from articles about large geographical regions. I think the category could be useful, although it's a bit biased (what is a "major" Turkish community? 1 person, 1,000 people, 1%, 10%, over 50% of the place's population?), but I do believe applying it to entire regions is a bit too broad. I mean, by the same logic of applying the category to Dobruja or Ludogorie, you could apply it to Flanders or Rhine-Ruhr, or even Europe. I think you should decide on a treshold, say, 20%, and only add to the category places where the Turkish population excedes this treshold. Otherwise, we're creating a mess: we've got London boroughs and neighbourhoods of Berlin with hardly any detailed data and hardly any references, Bulgarian villages with a Turkish majority and entire geographic regions dominated by other ethnic groups in one category. That doesn't work.
Unless you introduce some kind of threshold and apply strong referencing to every addition, I fear I'll have to nominate the category for deletion. Todor→Bozhinov 13:35, 21 February 2009 (UTC)
- I agree with TodorBozhinov, the category is talking about major Turkish population (and would be useless otherwise). There needs to be a lower limit, either a percentage (I think 20% is rather a low lower boundary for calling some place a turkish community), an absolute number of Turks living in the area (I would say minimum of 100,000, or even 500,000) or a very clear Turkish presence (cf Chinatown) in that area. Arnoutf (talk) 13:50, 21 February 2009 (UTC)
- I understand your thoughts and take them on board. But I’m sure you see that I have only placed this category into articles which states a Turkish community. I do not think it is necessary to have a certain percentage point as even 1% is quite a high percentage for certain cities. Also please not that the category is not about ‘major’ populations, just Turkish communities… Turco85 (talk) 13:52, 21 February 2009 (UTC)
- Yes, Turco85, I understand what you're trying to do and I see that you're having good intentions. It's just that we need a certain treshold to even talk of a community, and the category description says: "This category lists areas outside of Turkey and the de-facto Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus with major Turkish populations." I hope you understand that the definition of what is 'major' and what is a 'community' is subjective, and in order to have a category that works, we need to define, at least partially, what these mean in the current context. We can, say, make it a "Turkish-majority communities outside Turkey" which would be easier to define, or we can stick to the current naming but introduce a treshold of some kind. Also, I think the wording is a bit misleading currently: adding "Turkish communities outside Turkey" to an article about a town (which is a human community) implies that the town (community) is a Turkish community, not that it includes a Turkish community. I suggest something along the lines of "Places with a Turkish community outside Turkey". Todor→Bozhinov 14:00, 21 February 2009 (UTC)
Notable Iraqi Turks
You have submitted notable Iraqi Turks in the Iraqi Turks article. But I don't see how they are Iraqi Turks? You should consider removing it, or add real Iraqi Turks like Reha Muhtar, Ihsan Dogramaci, Mehmet Ali Erbil?
- Hi, well Princess Fahrelnissa Zeid was a Turkish painter born in Istanbul and was an Iraqi princess her son is Ra'ad bin Zeid who is half IRaqi and half Turkish and is an iraqi prince and same for Prince Zeid bin Ra'ad. What makes you question these? But thanks for the other names I will add them in :D you can also help contribute if you wish! Turco85 (talk) 15:52, 22 February 2009 (UTC)
- Also, I wont add Reha Muhtar because it does not state him to be an iraqi turk Turco85 (talk) 15:57, 22 February 2009 (UTC)
- Reha Muhtar's father is from Kirkuk, so I have added him.--Bunifa88 (talk) 17:13, 22 February 2009 (UTC)
- Ok. Thanks for your help :D!Turco85 (talk) 17:22, 22 February 2009 (UTC)
- The present status of Iraqi Turks is not mentioned after 2005. Hopefully you can contribute too ;) http://www.kerkuk.net/haberler/haber.aspx?dil=1055&metin=2007112825 http://kirkuk.us --Bunifa88 (talk) 17:33, 22 February 2009 (UTC)
- Hi, I have undone your "Turks In Iraq" contibution, it causes confusion. Besides Iraqi Turks is just fine;)--Bunifa88 (talk) 21:31, 26 February 2009 (UTC)--Bunifa88 (talk) 21:31, 26 February 2009 (UTC)
- OK. I just realise that there was no need for me to do that since it says Iraqi Turks- just a habit from all the other articles which I contribute to :D! Still the article needs a lot of work; hopefully we can make it better. Turco85 (talk) 23:11, 26 February 2009 (UTC)
- ebesini belleyen biri var--Bunifa88 (talk) 20:52, 6 March 2009 (UTC)
- OK. I just realise that there was no need for me to do that since it says Iraqi Turks- just a habit from all the other articles which I contribute to :D! Still the article needs a lot of work; hopefully we can make it better. Turco85 (talk) 23:11, 26 February 2009 (UTC)
Hi :)
Your welcome. If there is anything else I can do, please be free to tell me. Have a good day ;) Russian Luxembourger (talk) 20:47, 3 March 2009 (UTC)
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User:Ellipi
Well, Iraqi and Syrian Turkmens are not Turks either, as they speak Azerbaijani language, look at ethnolgue [1]. Ellipi (talk) 15:32, 5 March 2009 (UTC)
- Thank you for your links. I liked them very much (but not again the UNPO one!). The origins of Iraqi (and Syrian) Turkmans are obscure, as they speak Azarbaijani, (nowadays they are partially in Iraq and largey in Syria arabized but this does not belong much to the topic). Some believe they came during Safavid era from Iran, others say they are Turkomans from Anatolia relocated by Ottomans. nyways it is safe to assume that both theories have at least some accuracy as Iraqi Turkomans are divided between Shia and Sunni sects. Right now the point I'm interested in is their population in Iraq and in Syria. I believe as even your sources endorse, their population as 1-2-3-4 millions in Iraq is really too much exaggerated. I'm for more a more realistic figure for them, although I do not want to remove Turkman scholars estimation for themselves as I find it interesting and notable. I also ask you not to remove sources added by me. Please note that I only add reliable sources not random urls from internet. At the end thank you for the heading! Ellipi (talk) 19:16, 5 March 2009 (UTC)
- The western sources are the view of mainstream scholars and have much more weight than nationalist claims which often have no base. Ellipi (talk) 17:11, 14 March 2009 (UTC)
- I have no idea what is going on regarding Greeks' figures. But It is a proven fact that the number claimed by Turkish nationalists for Turkmens in Iraq is wrong and according to wikipedia policy should not be given undue weight. Moreover, I have not deleted the Turkish nationalist claims that there are billions of Turkomans in Iraq, but just removed it from infobox where only mainstream facts should be reflected. Yet, if you still insist to add it to the infobox, no matter, just make it clear that it is only a Turkish nationalistic nonsense and mainstream scholars see it simply as a desperate lie. Ellipi (talk) 17:55, 14 March 2009 (UTC)
Turkish people
Your revert on Turkish people was contra-productive. You reinserted a long double entry with no additional information and no additional sources. Please read the discussions on the talk page. Tajik (talk) 13:32, 9 March 2009 (UTC)
- OK, sounds good to me. But I had actually discussed it with some other users. All of it can be removed. Starting the history section with the Göktürks is too far fetched (kind of like starting the history of the Americans with the Proto-Indo-Europeans), so mentioning them in the "etymology" section is totally enough. The history of Turkish Anatolia begins with the Seljuqs. Tajik (talk) 14:54, 9 March 2009 (UTC)
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Thank You
Hi Turco85, Just wanted to thank you for civilised talks regarding the Turkish people discussions. It is great to see that people are beginning to talk to one another to resolve disputes rather than having edit-wars all the time. Also thanks for expanding the footnotes, your help is much appreciated and I encourage you to improve the article further!Justinz84 (talk) 12:54, 27 March 2009 (UTC)
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Ne oluyor?
Kardes, bana yardimci olurmusun lutfen? Turkish people sayfasinda hep Ermeni, Kurtler ve Yunanlilar vandall yapiyorlar. Birinci Turk kaynak göstermelerni elestiriler sonra da Ingilizlerinkini. Lutfen yardimci ol! Justinz84 (talk) 09:50, 6 April 2009 (UTC)
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Support for deleting the Category:Anti-Armenianism
Will you support my arguement for the deletion of the Category:Anti-Armenianism that I put forward on May 1, 2009?
It is very subjective and even racist as it puts every person who questions the Armenian genocide, such as prominent academicians, who are not racist or personally against Armenian people or Armenia as an entity, along with assasins and militants.
Thank you —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.214.147.154 (talk) 18:32, 1 May 2009 (UTC)
AfD nomination of Nazlı Süleyman
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WikiProject Ottoman Empire
Hello, Turco85, and thank you for joining the newly formed WikiProject Ottoman Empire! You, being one of those to support its proposal, have become a charter member! Thanks, mynameinc 22:24, 14 May 2009 (UTC)
- Thank you for notifying me! Let me know if there is anything I can do to improve the project. Turco85 (Talk) 14:45, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
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Category:***ians of Turkish descent
Please do not add categories to articles in which the text within the article does not support it. Now I have to revert all these edits...... Hubschrauber729 (talk) 23:09, 21 May 2009 (UTC)
- Why? They are of Turkish descent. Turco85 (Talk) 23:12, 21 May 2009 (UTC)
- Unless you can find reliable sources for this, I will have to revert these edits. Just because a surname sounds Turkish, doesn't the name is Turkish or they are of Turkish descent. Also, any unsourced material on wikipedia can be removed. Basically what I am saying is unless its sourced, it will be removed. Hubschrauber729 (talk) 23:17, 21 May 2009 (UTC)
- Then why don’t you give people a chance to source it? They are all obviously from a foreign background. You do know this.
- Unless you can find reliable sources for this, I will have to revert these edits. Just because a surname sounds Turkish, doesn't the name is Turkish or they are of Turkish descent. Also, any unsourced material on wikipedia can be removed. Basically what I am saying is unless its sourced, it will be removed. Hubschrauber729 (talk) 23:17, 21 May 2009 (UTC)
- If they were a Kurd or some other ethnic group descending from Turkey, I assure you that they would most likely be written as such by wikipedians of that descent. Turco85 (Talk) 23:21, 21 May 2009 (UTC)
If you look at the article Aziz Sağlam, there is no text within the article that says he is Dutch, thus the category:Dutch people of Turkish descent makes no sense. Hubschrauber729 (talk) 23:42, 21 May 2009 (UTC)
- Also, you can have all the time in the world to find a source for their Turkish descent, but until there is a source, I will be removing that content from the articles. Hubschrauber729 (talk) 23:43, 21 May 2009 (UTC)
- Actually, if you look at the article history I only added Belgians of Turkish descent not Dutch people of Turkish descent so please do not accuse me of something which I did not do. Turco85 (Talk) 23:52, 21 May 2009 (UTC)
- You reverted my edit, thus adding the category back to the article. Hubschrauber729 (talk) 23:53, 21 May 2009 (UTC) Turco85 (Talk) 13:27, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
- Again you are incorrect, I removed the Dutch category and added the Belgian. Is there something wrong with you? Turco85 (Talk) 23:55, 21 May 2009 (UTC)
- Do whatever you want. I cannot be bothered to argue with somebody who cannot see that a person born in Belgium who plays for Turkey's national team is not a Turk. And Atiye Deniz is half Dutch and you have no right to judge that... but again, I cannot be bothered with you. Do as you please. Turco85 (Talk) 23:59, 21 May 2009 (UTC)
- Either way, the aritcle does not support the category:Belgians of Turkish descent. That is why I removed it. Hubschrauber729 (talk) 23:57, 21 May 2009 (UTC)
- User Hubschrauber729, I find your argument quite crude and naïve. It is fairly obvious that the majority of these people are descendants of Turkish people as Turco85 has outlined; many have even been part of Turkey’s national team. You have even reverted the people born in Turkey. Your actions are ridiculous! Thetruthonly (talk) 23:21, 24 May 2009 (UTC)
- Don’t worry about it. If you look at his/her contributions all they seem to do is revert other people’s contributions, especially when it comes to categorise (don’t ask me why! lol). It is obvious that one would not be able to compromise with this user as they will only revert once more. Turco85 (Talk) 13:27, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
Iraqi Turkmen
Hi. Turkey's flag was removed from Iraqi Turkmen article. Could you add Turkmeneli flag next to the Iraqi one? Thanks in advance. --Bunifa88 (talk) 22:42, 23 May 2009 (UTC)
- I Just added the file into the article. Turco85 (Talk) 22:58, 23 May 2009 (UTC)
Turks in x
Hi Turco85! I have reverted some vandalism from these articles. You’re the major contributor to these articles so I thought I would let you know. It seems as though this will always happen when it comes to these articles. Thetruthonly (talk) 23:17, 24 May 2009 (UTC)
- Yea I know what you mean. Thanks for being on the look-out! Turco85 (Talk) 10:25, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
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Updating stats
Hi Turco85, since there has been statistical updates regarding the Turkish immigrant by country, we should probably update the total Turkish population since the overall figure in that article is not correct anymore. Thetruthonly (talk) 14:13, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
- Ok I'll update it soon Turco85 (Talk) 15:15, 18 June 2009 (UTC)
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Turkish people article
Hi Turco85! Just wanted to ask you to look out for the Turkish people article as it is once again being vadalised by nationalistic figures. Justinz84 (talk) 18:28, 24 July 2009 (UTC)
- Not again! LOL. OK I'll have a quick look.Turco85 (Talk) 13:07, 26 July 2009 (UTC)
- Your argument is against the Turkish Constitution. See the Talk:Turkish people page. Pantepoptes (talk) 13:16, 26 July 2009 (UTC)
- Dude, you have to understand, there IS a Kurdish population in Turkey whether we like it or not. Turco85 (Talk) 13:21, 26 July 2009 (UTC)
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New Montage for Istanbul
How good are you with editing, photoshop & all? Do you want to work on a new Istanbul montage pic, that would, as you said include Dolmabahçe & Kızkulesi! :) --Emir Ali Enç (talk) 21:16, 4 November 2009 (UTC)
- Oh, and we need one for İzmir to... --Emir Ali Enç (talk) 21:16, 4 November 2009 (UTC)
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Hi Turco85! I need help with Turkish translation. Please help me. Could you translate this sentences into English. And plese tell me if "Gernik" is the old name of the town of Yenibaşak. Thank you.
http://tr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yeniba%C5%9Fak,_Solhan
Arduşen Kazası’nın eski yönetim merkezi Fırat’ın batı koluna iki km uzaklıktaki dağlık ve ormanlık bir bölgede kurulmuştu ve 19. yüzyılın sonlarında kazanın idari merkezi olan Gernik’in birkaç km kuzeyinde yer alıyordu.
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Yanlışlıkla sayfanda bir bölümü değiştirdim. Kusura bakma.Maverick16 (talk) 13:42, 15 April 2010 (UTC)
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Please read the history of the page and the long discussion about the picture before making any changes. Reading history is a good idea in general before jumping to the gun. AverageTurkishJoe (talk) 03:30, 16 May 2010 (UTC)
Turk Ethnicity
Do you think that Turks changed ethnicity by the proclamation of the republic? What are your justifications for exclusion of Fatih and Kanuni from the picture? Why did you not write about this on the talk page before making any changes? AverageTurkishJoe (talk) 04:09, 16 May 2010 (UTC)
- Why should we have just sultans and politicians in the pictures?? We should be putting people who have actually contributed to the Turkish culture... ie writers, painters, doctors, philosophers, human rights activists and so on. There is much more to Turkish people than sultans and politicians!!! Moreover, we should make sure that there is an equal amount of men and women in the image. Women have contributed greatly to Turkish culture and this should be evident within the image.Turco85 (Talk) 19:31, 16 May 2010 (UTC)
- You are saying that Suleyman the Magnificent and Fatih did not contribute to the Turkish culture as much as the others in the picture. This is patently wrong. AverageTurkishJoe (talk) 23:35, 20 May 2010 (UTC)
- No I am not saying that at all. What I am saying is that we have to avoid just putting a whole load of politicians and royalty into the images because it gives the impression to people who are not Turks that the only people who have contributed to our culture are a bunch of dictators. We should be trying to promote Turkish people who have contributed to our culture who are usually overshadowed by the monarchy as well as the bourgeoisie. Have a look at images of other groups... they promote sports people, artists, psychologists, philosophers etc.Turco85 (Talk) 18:42, 21 May 2010 (UTC)
- This is an encyclopedia; what you think of dictators or dictatorship or promoting/not promoting turkish people does not matter much. Fatih, and Kanuni changed the course of the history and they happen to be turkish whether you like it or not. Wikipedia does not have a mission to fight monarchy and bourgeoisie and fight for the suffrage of turkish women. Editorial decisions based on such concerns are expressly prohibited in Wikipedia AverageTurkishJoe (talk) 06:20, 31 May 2010 (UTC)
- No I am not saying that at all. What I am saying is that we have to avoid just putting a whole load of politicians and royalty into the images because it gives the impression to people who are not Turks that the only people who have contributed to our culture are a bunch of dictators. We should be trying to promote Turkish people who have contributed to our culture who are usually overshadowed by the monarchy as well as the bourgeoisie. Have a look at images of other groups... they promote sports people, artists, psychologists, philosophers etc.Turco85 (Talk) 18:42, 21 May 2010 (UTC)
- You obviously have no idea what I am trying to say. I am not saying that they should not be in the image... What I am saying is we should show Turks who have contributed to the Turkish culture in different ways. Is this so hard for you to understand?Turco85 (Talk) 17:22, 14 June 2010 (UTC)
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See if you would like to comment the merge of this article. --Hittit (talk) 21:00, 18 May 2010 (UTC)
- Thank you for the link Hittit, I wrote my thoughts on the discussion page twice... I am willing to help improve the article and hope that it does not merge with the other article, my main strengths are to do with the discrimination and prosecution of Turks in Bulgaria, Cyprus and Georgia.Turco85 (Talk) 23:30, 18 May 2010 (UTC)
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Lutfen gelin
'Turkey' maddesinde turk-dusmani ermeni ve yunan milliyetciler bize karsi"soykirim" propagandasiyapiyorlar . Silebelir mi? Tsk —Preceding unsigned comment added by 194.145.201.147 (talk) 23:24, 25 May 2010 (UTC)
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