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Perway

Hi TaOT! Thanks for reverting my addition to the Track article. I was surprised at the word's omission, but now realise it must be an Australian term. Follow this search [1] to see how common it is in this country. Plenty of examples (4,000) but I'll see if I can find a proper reference. Doug butler (talk) 02:54, 16 September 2023 (UTC)

While I have your undivided attention, would you mind casting an eye over the article Salt Clay Creek railway disaster, of which I am, so far, the only contributor. In particular, the sentence

He applied the air brake and reversed the engine, but too late.

Mention of air brake came from a contemporary newspaper cutting, and "reversed the engine" from a railways historical magazine. Would these not be mutually exclusive, or are the air-brakes only applied to the carriages and brake van and not the driving wheels? Also the article Reversing gear does not mention throwing the driving wheels into reverse for greater braking effort, only for normal shunting practice. Regards, Doug butler (talk) 21:56, 16 September 2023 (UTC)

I have to admit I am less knowledgeable about the workings of steam locomotives. You could put me in the cab of a diesel and I could make it run, but I can't say the same about a steam locomotive. At least for diesels and electrics, the train brakes do indeed apply to the entire train including the locomotives. In theory, if the train is still moving I could see how reversing the engine would assist in the braking effort. You might be able to get a better answer at WT:TRAINS. Trainsandotherthings (talk) 13:57, 17 September 2023 (UTC)

Thanks, I'll give them a go. Doug butler (talk) 15:27, 17 September 2023 (UTC)

Sources that are reliable

Keys to mark in replies:

- Green = Reliable

- Yellow = Unknown

- Red = Non-relable

List of sources that I have to know which one is reliable and which one isn't:

• http://rrpicturearchives.net/
• https://www.dmcbugx.com/
• https://utahrails.net/
• http://www.ssloan.net/trains/sp/ (I bet your gonna say that it's a non-reliable source)
• https://cs.trains.com/
• https://railfan.com

Example of marking them in the replies:

• http://rrpicturearchives.net/ - (insert if its either green, yellow or red after the dash).

203.219.245.156 (talk) 04:54, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

The one and only source you listed that is reliable is Railfan & Railroad Magazine, because it is a secondary source with clearly listed authors and an editorial policy. trains.com, as in Trains Magazine, is reliable, but the forums hosted at cs.trains.com are user generated content and unreliable. Self-published railfan websites such as rrpicturearchives (which hosts railfan photos that are UGC), utahrails (one dude's railfan page), ssloan.net (noe photographer's personal website), are also not reliable. Dieselmotive company is a company that works with trains. Nothing makes them a reliable or secondary source. Trainsandotherthings (talk) 00:21, 21 September 2023 (UTC)

What about here: http://www.rgusrail.com/ 220.240.166.58 (talk) 08:10, 21 September 2023 (UTC)

rgusrail is a big collection of images. It is self-published. The website does not cite any sources nor list authors. Also note the text on the main page: Updates to this site ceased on 13th July 2020. Some links published on the pages may have expired. This means that any errors will never be corrected. Trainsandotherthings (talk) 01:59, 22 September 2023 (UTC)

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Precious anniversary

Precious

Two years!

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KD Subdivision

I've been thinking on names for the KD Subdivision and I'm open to suggestions. There's no real tradition on the English Wikipedia of using constructed or descriptive names for railway lines in the United States, though this is quite common elsewhere. This is probably because we tend to have official names for extant lines (Subdivision, District, Line, Branch, etc). Anyway, the KD Subdivision name goes back to the L&N. It was part of the Corbin Division then: [2]. This doesn't change under the Seaboard System: [3]. Historically, it's part of the L&N's Cincinnati–Atlanta line, which is finished around 1902 and was a mix of new and existing build. Kincaid Herr discusses the line in some depth. It doesn't have an official name that I've run across. If I were throwing out official names I suppose I'd write Cincinnati–Atlanta railway line (German: Bahnstrecke Cincinnati–Atlanta), with appropriate sections or anchors for the modern subdivisions. Mackensen (talk) 12:50, 23 November 2023 (UTC)

In the area I focus on (southern New England) there's almost always a clear history that can be used; I'll either incorporate the line into the article on the railroad that built it, or for branch lines they typically have a name and that will be the title of the article (like East Providence Branch). This is likely because of geography and terrain which means most lines in the area are not especially lengthy. In areas like the Midwest the lines can be significantly longer, and it's not as easy to make the decision as to what constitutes a full rail line or how it should be divided up. With the evidence you've presented, it seems the subdivision name might be the most common name, or we could go to the generic Cincinatti-Atlanta rail line. The editor who originally created these articles just mass-produced them because he thought every single subdivision should have an article. Waycross Air Line Railroad originated because the question was asked about its overlap with Fitzgerald Subdivision. We ultimately decided to consolidate everything in the Waycross Air Line Railroad article, since the Fitzgerald Subdivision article looked like this. With that said, you've already improved the KD Subdivision article enough that it's clear there's actually a notable subject present. Trainsandotherthings (talk) 14:09, 23 November 2023 (UTC)

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Hi @Clovermoss: I'd be glad to participate. I should be able to add in my responses this weekend. Trainsandotherthings (talk) 00:37, 1 December 2023 (UTC)

Community impact section in Union Pacific

I would like to know why you selected this section to tag as undue in June 2022, but left facility list and train car model numbers and their invetory quantity intact even though those per WP:NOTPRICE, equipment inventory listing is something to be avoided, whereas the section you tagged is backed with WP:RS. Graywalls (talk) 23:24, 13 December 2023 (UTC)

If you think another section is an issue, there is nothing stopping you from tagging it or taking action. I don't need you to leave me messages saying "why didn't you tag this section"? If you think I made an oversight, tag it or otherwise take action yourself. This was also a year and a half ago, and you're really coming here to complain now? Trainsandotherthings (talk) 23:22, 14 December 2023 (UTC)

I just noticed it now. I was asking for your explanation, as a courtesy. Graywalls (talk) 23:25, 14 December 2023 (UTC)

Because the phrase "community responsibility" is corporate BS, and the Utah stuff actually belongs in the environmental record section. Trainsandotherthings (talk) 23:28, 14 December 2023 (UTC)

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A solstice greeting

❄️ Happy holidays! ❄️

Hi Trainsandotherthings! I'd like to wish you a splendid solstice season as we wrap up the year. Here is an artwork, made individually for you, to celebrate. I was sad to see that Train was delisted, and hope we can get it back to GA soon! Take care, and thanks for all you do to make Wikipedia better!

Cheers,
{{u|Sdkb}} ^talk

Solstice Celebration for Trainsandotherthings, 2023, DALL·E 3.

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Note: The vibes are winter solsticey. If you're in the southern hemisphere, oops, apologies.

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Your GA nomination of East Junction Branch

Hi there, I'm pleased to inform you that I've begun reviewing the article East Junction Branch you nominated for GA-status according to the criteria. This process may take up to 7 days. Feel free to contact me with any questions or comments you might have during this period. Message delivered by ChristieBot, on behalf of TwoScars -- TwoScars (talk) 16:44, 6 January 2024 (UTC)

@Trainsandotherthings: I think we are just about done for GA. I think the writing under History - Operations under Old Colony and New Haven needs to be cleaned up, and I would like to add "alt=" for each image if you don't want to. See the green text in the review. You may already know this: the "alt=" used to be part of a the GA tools, but it was removed. It enables blind/eyesight-impared "readers" to hear a description of the image. BTW, if you ever need ICC Transport Statistics (Income Statement, Balance Sheet, equipment, road & track, service units), I have links to about 15 of those annual reports beginning with 1888 (including 1970, 1950, 1930, 1920, 1901 and others). They usually have stats for Class I, II, and III railroads. For a decade or two they combined Class II and III into Class II, but then reversed that method of classification. In the mid-1990s reporting began being for Class I railroads only. TwoScars (talk) 16:02, 16 January 2024 (UTC)

@TwoScars: You're free to add alt text if you'd like. I'm not super confident in my ability to do a good job writing it, but I have no objections in principle. Trainsandotherthings (talk) 17:24, 19 January 2024 (UTC)

@Trainsandotherthings: We need to finish up the improvements. It has been a month. I added the alt text. TwoScars (talk) 21:59, 23 January 2024 (UTC)

It is unclear to me what you want changed. Trainsandotherthings (talk) 01:11, 25 January 2024 (UTC)

Also two comments - it has been less than 3 weeks, not a month, and I am very busy with work at the moment. In the past three weeks I have had both Covid and a nasty cold. Trainsandotherthings (talk) 01:18, 25 January 2024 (UTC)

WikiCup 2024 February newsletter

The 2024 WikiCup is off to a flying start, with 135 participants. This is the largest number of participants we have seen since 2017.

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• AirshipJungleman29 (submissions), with one FA on Hö'elün, two GAs on Mongolia-related articles, and two DYKs;
• Vami_IV (submissions), with one FA on Doom (2016 video game), one GA on Boundary Fire (2017), and 11 reviews;
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• voorts (submissions) and Elli (submissions), both with one FA and one DYK each.

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What was the issue? Customers of PVRR .

What was the issue?

Are customers not allowed to be posted on Wiki? I might have to go over 1000 small railroads others put and remove them if theyre not allowed.

Westfield, MA

• Agway

• Lowes Distribution Center

• Duie Pyle

• James Hardie Building Supply

• Kleer Lumber

• NGL Supply Co.

• Prolamina

• Transload facility operated by the Pioneer Valley

East Otis, MA

• Williams Stone

Yeahimaboss413 (talk) 14:11, 15 February 2024 (UTC)

You need to cite a reliable source. See WP:RS. Trainsandotherthings (talk) 22:32, 15 February 2024 (UTC)

Article mergers

Hello there! I hope that you don’t find it awkward that I’m messaging you after everything that has happened a couple months ago, but I just want to ask you a small favor.

Not long ago, I created some discussions on the talk pages of the Grand Trunk Western Class K-4a, the Grand Trunk Western Class K-4b, and the Atlantic Coast Line class P-5-A, citing that, in my opinion, they should be merged with their companion articles, namely No. 5629, No. 5632, and No. 1504, since the classes themselves aren’t noteworthy enough to have their own pages. Would you recommend just redirecting them, or is there anything else that has to be done with these proposed mergers? Someone who likes train writing (talk) 19:02, 20 February 2024 (UTC)

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WikiCup 2024 March newsletter

The first round of the 2024 WikiCup ended at 23:59 (UTC) on 27 February. Everyone with at least 30 points moved on to Round 2, the highest number of points required to advance to the second round since 2014. Due to a six-way tie for the 64th-place spot, 67 contestants have qualified for Round 2.

The following scorers in Round 1 all scored more than 300 points:

• Generalissima (submissions), who has 916 points mostly from one FA on John Littlejohn (preacher), 15 GAs, and 16 DYKs on a variety of topics including New Zealand coinage and Inuit figures, in addition to seven reviews
• Vami_IV (submissions), who has 790 points from two FAs on Felix M. Warburg House and Doom (2016 video game), two GAs, one DYK, and 11 reviews
• AirshipJungleman29 (submissions), who has 580 points from one FA on Hö'elün, two GAs on Mongolia-related articles, two DYKs, and five reviews
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• Skyshifter (submissions), who has 345 points from one FA on OneShot, one DYK and two reviews

In this newsletter, the judges would like to pay a special tribute to Vami_IV (submissions), who unfortunately passed away this February. At the time of his death, he was the second-highest-scoring competitor. Outside the WikiCup, he had eight other featured articles, five A-class articles, eight other good articles, and two Four Awards. Vami also wrote an essay on completionism, a philosophy in which he deeply believed. If you can, please join us in honoring his memory by improving one of the articles on his to-do list.

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