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A cup of tea for you!

I appreciate your assistance with the Bitcoin article. The perspective is needed. Neoconfederate (talk) 14:36, 28 January 2013 (UTC)

Thanks. :) Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward) (talk) 10:29, 29 January 2013 (UTC)

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External media template

I notice that you've done much of the work at Template:External media. The example to the right is pretty much what I'm trying to do with the template,

External videos Dorothea Lange's Documentary Photographs, J. Paul Getty Museum

except that the margins are always messed up when I do it. Note that having a picture with the text box says "video" a lot better than a plain text box does. You might ask "If you've got a CC-BY-SA photo, what do you need an external media box for?" Well, in the cases I want this for, it's fairly easy to find a photo on Commons that approximates part of the video - but isn't from the video itself.

The main use at the start would mainly be for the Wikipedia:GLAM/smarthistory - their videos are all CC-BY-NC, but provide much needed info. I'm thinking that maybe a "display photo" could be built into the external media template.

Any ideas or help would be appreciated. Also you might want to see the Signpost story at Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/2013-01-28/News and notes Smallbones_(smalltalk) 05:41, 1 February 2013 (UTC)

See the sandbox, which now supports |headerimage=.

External videos
Dorothea Lange's Documentary Photographs, J. Paul Getty Museum

It's not precisely the same appearance (I've made various accessibility fixes to the code, including not using a column for the icons and having the header first) but it's pretty much what was requested. If that's good enough for you, I can push the code out. Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward) (talk) 10:21, 1 February 2013 (UTC)

Wow, thanks! FWIW I tried it with 2 videos at User:Smallbones/drafts and it looks ok. I didn't see anything at the sandbox about headerimage, but as long as it works its fine with me. I can't see any downside. Please go ahead with it. Thanks again. Smallbones_(smalltalk) 13:24, 1 February 2013 (UTC)

Done. Cheers. Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward) (talk) 13:29, 1 February 2013 (UTC)

External media
Audio
Google Art Project (Audio 5)
Video
Giorgione's Three Philosophers, c. 1506, Smarthistory

(Minor) I changed "headererimage=" above to "headerimage=" Just a typo I believe. I put the The Three Philosophers in the article and added an audio link. One surprise - the heading now appears as "External audio" instead of "External media", also I think "videos" could be changed to "video" to match "audio". Rather than constantly bother you with a lot of minor details, why don't I use the new format in several articles and ask for feedback at Wikipedia talk:GLAM/smarthistory and get back to you in a week with all the minor things all at one time.

Major thanks again! Smallbones_(smalltalk) 16:00, 1 February 2013 (UTC)

fixing it for one fixes it for all, so feel free to keep pinging me if you find any more bugs. I've fixed the two issues described above. Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward) (talk) 16:18, 1 February 2013 (UTC)

Gamepad translator

Hello and thanks for tagging this for notability back in 2008. The tag's still there. You may want to consider taking it to the Notability Noticeboard or AfD if you are still concerned. Best wishes, Boleyn (talk) 19:29, 1 February 2013 (UTC)

Wow! Yes, you're right: I'll see if I can find an appropriate merge target. Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward) (talk) 20:12, 1 February 2013 (UTC)

Hi, friend

I have written a proposed remedy to the Richard Arthur Norton affair, to be taken to AN/I in the event that ArbCom defers the case. Since the original thread is hatted, the proposal has been made on his talk page (User_talk:Richard_Arthur_Norton_(1958-_)). As you were a participant in the original thread, I would very much appreciate your comments as to whether the proposed remedy satisfies your concerns. Thanks, —Tim /// Carrite (talk) 23:32, 4 February 2013 (UTC)

RfA reservations

Chris, while I respect your right to voice your reservations, I believe that it is not correct to characterize my regular participation in TfD (or any other XfD) as part of an "en masse" response of sports editors. In order to address your concerns, I ask you to consider my comments in the following TfDs: Infobox college rivalry (7 comments), Infobox Defunct MiLB, Infobox Defunct Independent Baseball, Infobox collegiate baseball team, Albany Great Danes football navbox, various Olympics templates, two NFL navboxes. I believe that a review of these examples will demonstrate that I have not !voted in lockstep with other sports editors, but have, in fact, voted to merge or delete numerous sports-related templates based on the perceived merits in each case. In order to avoid the appearance of "badgering," I will not respond again unless you specifically ask me to. Thank you for your consideration. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 16:10, 5 February 2013 (UTC)

As I say, this is going back quite a long way. I didn't find anything in your recent TfDs that I found objectionable, but did recall things from some time ago (over a year). I'll see what I can find tomorrow looking back a bit further, so as to figure out whether I'm misremembering, but unfortunately Frietjes's subsequent comment rings true from what I recall of past discussions. Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward) (talk) 00:10, 6 February 2013 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Template:MS-DOS games index

A tag has been placed on Template:MS-DOS games index requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section T3 of the criteria for speedy deletion because it is a deprecated or orphaned template. After seven days, if it is still unused and the speedy deletion tag has not been removed, the template will be deleted.

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Regarding Index of MS-DOS games

Thumperward, I wrote a bit on my wall, so I'll just get to the point of my question to you. Templates such as {{Index of MS-DOS games}} can cause issues with some users. I know it wasn't like this before, but now, some browsers requires that those notes be expanded before a user can click on any of them. I cannot find anything in the Wikipedia article space regarding this, but I would have to believe that is the proper point of having a properly formatted TOC at the beginning of every article. What I propose is that a subarticle be created on Index of MS-DOS games (such as Index of MS-DOS games/header) that includes only the header of all 27 articles that have lists for the games. This way, every article can contain the first two sentences that are on each of these lists, as well as a properly formatted TOC (which is what you see that I have placed on all of the articles.) Anyways, I hope this sounds like a possible plan. Steel1943 (talk) 10:21, 6 February 2013 (UTC)

I've come up with a more elegant solution, which I'm putting on your talk now. Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward) (talk) 10:22, 6 February 2013 (UTC)

The template you created, {{TOC index}}, definitely does the job. Much appreciated; I am definitely a fan of that template. This probably goes without saying, but I'm going to go ahead and place T3 templates on {{Index of MS-DOS games}} and {{Index of Windows games}}, citing the new {{TOC index}} template. Thanks again! Steel1943 (talk) 11:00, 6 February 2013 (UTC)

Deleted. No probs. Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward) (talk) 11:06, 6 February 2013 (UTC)

I'd like to point out that the TOC index is missing a link to the Index of MS-DOS games (0–9). Could you attend to that, so that the index section can be accessed with ease? Deltasim (talk) 16:09, 6 February 2013 (UTC)

 Done; thanks for the catch. Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward) (talk) 16:12, 6 February 2013 (UTC)

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I didn't realise you had already closed the discussion before adding my last message, I should have been more careful and checked first. Kind regards, 92.20.50.154 (talk) 11:57, 6 February 2013 (UTC)

Sockpuppet

For a check if Watchingeveryevent is a sockpuppet of User:Marteau, do i have to open a formal case at sockpuppet investigations? Thanks, Tagremover (talk) 12:00, 6 February 2013 (UTC)

Stop trying to seek out personal conflict wherever you can. Just drop it. Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward) (talk) 12:02, 6 February 2013 (UTC)

"Stop trying to seek out personal conflict wherever you can." Now, look at the first edit of Watchingeveryevent. And thats not all, just answer. Tagremover (talk) 12:08, 6 February 2013 (UTC)

That user is indefinitely blocked. Further attempts to harass you will be met with the same consequences. This is over. Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward) (talk) 12:10, 6 February 2013 (UTC)

Infobox hotel

Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2011 May 20#Template:Infobox hotel is long overdue for implementation. I wonder if you might be able to make {{Infobox hotel}} a module of {{Infobox building}}? Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 12:09, 6 February 2013 (UTC)

Should be. I'll have a look. Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward) (talk) 12:10, 6 February 2013 (UTC)

So long as you transfer all parameters and use something to change the infoboxes of all of the current hotels to standard..♦ Dr. ☠ Blofeld 12:31, 6 February 2013 (UTC)

Of course. I've knocked up a quick-and-dirty sandbox which retains all the attributes for now, if folk want to play about the third example on the test cases comparison. Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward) (talk) 14:53, 6 February 2013 (UTC) Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward) (talk) 12:39, 6 February 2013 (UTC)

Had a bit more time today, so this is nearly completed. The module code is now in template:infobox hotel/module, while template:infobox hotel/sandbox is a wrapper. There are some steps which need to be completed before this can be completed:

1. The remaining eleven fields (see the module section of the /sandbox code) need to be examined to determine whether they would be better migrated to {{infobox building}};
2. It needs to be discussed whether {{infobox building}} should allow for the red pushpin to be substituted for the Legenda hotel.svg used in the old hotel map code;
3. Linking to #2 above, the existing transclusions of {{infobox hotel}} need to be examined to see if any would break should support for any of the other undocumented features in the current hotel map be dropped (as I've only wrapped the ones that were actually documented).

Could you two please help out with that? It's relatively little work, and that would allow for us to push ahead with the moduleisation. Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward) (talk) 13:51, 12 February 2013 (UTC)

Thanks. Bit busy now; will attend to that later. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 13:58, 12 February 2013 (UTC)

I think it would be best done with some form of coding than manually. I think Plastikspork is busy though.♦ Dr. ☠ Blofeld 14:11, 12 February 2013 (UTC)

The actual replacement will be automated. What we need before we're ready for that is to iron out the remaining niggles in the module, or else the output will be less than optimal (see the test cases). Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward) (talk) 14:18, 12 February 2013 (UTC)

Do we have a list if the eleven fields referred to above? Looking at Legenda hotel.svg as used on Waldorf Hilton, it's very indistinct; I'd just boldly switch to using the red pushpin. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 22:32, 12 February 2013 (UTC)

See the | embedded = section of the sandbox code. Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward) (talk) 23:26, 12 February 2013 (UTC)

Gotcha. Personally, I'd just add them all to IB, but if others don't like that, the most generic are |number_of_rooms=, |developer=, and |operator=. Odd that |number_of_Bars= is thus capitalised. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 01:11, 13 February 2013 (UTC)

Talkback

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Infobox embedding issues

responded on my talk page. Frietjes (talk) 16:05, 6 February 2013 (UTC)

see also this thread, which was a first for me. Frietjes (talk) 16:21, 6 February 2013 (UTC)

Yep, definitely time to get this sorted out. Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward) (talk) 13:21, 11 February 2013 (UTC)

see this thread. Frietjes (talk) 18:48, 11 February 2013 (UTC)

Ping Fu

Hi Thumperward, I noticed you'd made some improvements to Ping Fu's biography earlier today and wanted to leave you a quick note to say that I'm working on a new draft for the page and would really appreciate your feedback once it's ready. A bit of background: I'm working on behalf of Geomagic (the company co-founded by Ping Fu) to write the draft but don't plan on making any edits to the article myself because of this COI. Instead, I prefer to follow Jimbo's "bright line" policy and ask for impartial volunteer editors such as yourself to review and implement changes, if you agree with them. If you'd be interested in helping, let me know and I'll, um, ping you once the draft is ready to review. Thanks, 16912 Rhiannon (Talk · COI) 21:49, 8 February 2013 (UTC)

Sure: feel free to drop me a line when you're ready and I'll see if I can help. Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward) (talk) 21:52, 8 February 2013 (UTC)

Brilliant, thanks Chris! I'll be in touch soon. 16912 Rhiannon (Talk · COI) 21:56, 8 February 2013 (UTC)

Collapsible lists and screen readers

Hi Chris, you mentioned at Template talk:Collapsible list that this template might potentially cause compatibility issues for users with screen readers. Is this still the case? Just curious. Axem Titanium (talk) 02:42, 9 February 2013 (UTC)

I'm not an expert in the area, but I believe it's still considered something to watch out for. Your best bet would probably be asking at WT:ACCESS. Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward) (talk) 13:20, 11 February 2013 (UTC)

Alright thanks. I've heard from some other editors that it seems to be resolved. Regards, Axem Titanium (talk) 21:26, 16 February 2013 (UTC)

Template:Culture of region

Your recent edits to Template:Culture of region have caused the template to cease functioning properly, so I have reverted the edits. --PiMaster3 ^talk 03:16, 11 February 2013 (UTC)

It's helpful to provide some actual useful information in cases like this. Poking through your contributions history, it appears that you created template:culture of Israel with lots of blank lines. I've removed these, which will "fix" the code when the meta-template is (re-)updated. The template is presently broken in that it is designed to present large bunches of redlinks; navigation templates should not do so. Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward) (talk) 12:30, 11 February 2013 (UTC)

Hi. I see you've gotten everything working. My reverts weren't meant to be rude, I was just trying to keep the functionality while you ironed out the kinks. I hope there's no bad blood. Cheers, Oreo Priest ^talk 15:34, 12 February 2013 (UTC)

Nah, it's my fault for snapping: I was missing the details of the problem, mostly because I was working on several bits of test code at once. Apologies for my tone. Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward) (talk) 15:37, 12 February 2013 (UTC)

Compact ToC centering

see this thread. Frietjes (talk) 00:29, 13 February 2013 (UTC)

Ooh, great, cheers. I'll hold off on the code update until that's completed. Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward) (talk) 09:03, 13 February 2013 (UTC)

Technical move required

Hello, Chris

How do you do? I hope you are doing well. I think Wikipedia:/muvee Reveal article needs to be moved to muvee Reveal but only an admin can do it. I wonder if you could help. Of course, I could have requested a technical move too, but then I would not have an excuse to pop by and say "how do you do?"

Best regards,
Codename Lisa (talk) 06:58, 13 February 2013 (UTC)

Done. Thanks for the heads-up! I'm fine, by the way. :) Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward) (talk) 09:02, 13 February 2013 (UTC)

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Canoe1967

Hi Thumperward. I'm writing about your block of Canoe1967. He doesn't know I am writing you and will only find out if he looks at my edit history. ;) I understand why he was blocked and am not questioning it. His behavior was inappropriate. I just wanted to let you know, based on my frequent experiences with him, that I believe he is truly here to improve the project. In fact, I think the problem is that he gets so intensely involved with various articles, that he takes it very personally when other editors disagree with his edits or viewpoints. To put it simply, he has a short fuse. :P But I strongly believe that any implications that he's here to do harm are completely baseless. He just needs to learn how to better express his concerns and deal with content disputes. Please see my comments to him on his talk page. I hope he will take my advice. If he doesn't appeal the block, I was hoping you would kindly consider reducing how long the block lasts. Or perhaps offering him a deal. For example, tell him you will remove or reduce the length of his block if he agrees to any behavior terms you suggest. If not, I will certainly understand. I know he loves editing. Thanks for your time. --76.189.111.199 (talk) 22:23, 14 February 2013 (UTC)

I've no doubt he has the project's interests at heart, or I'd have made the block indefinite. 48 hours is very much a cooling-off block, and I wouldn't generally expect an editor who understood the rationale behind such an action to appeal it (especially given his actions immediately after it was issued), but I suppose that's up to him. I'm unlikely to have much time over the weekend to review such a request myself, but I'm not averse to another admin doing so. Thanks for acting as a mediator here. Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward) (talk) 22:33, 14 February 2013 (UTC)

Chris, thank you so much for your response. I really didn't want to get too involved, but I honestly feel bad for Canoe. However, I do not condone his behavior, and I've told him that. But I know how much he loves editing. Too much, in my opinion. Haha. I just wish you could please offer him a deal. I saw another admin who did that with someone and thought it was a really nice gesture. If you did that, the ball would then be in Canoe's court to either accept or reject your terms. You don't need to reply to this because I'll understand no matter what you decide. Thanks, again, and have a great evening. --76.189.111.199 (talk) 22:40, 14 February 2013 (UTC)

There's already an implicit deal in place: it is expected that Canoe will agree in future to abide by our civility policy, and as a result he will be free to edit again as he pleases once the block expires. There's no real rejection path for time-limited blocks: rejection would imply that an editor was simply willing to "do his time" until returning to editing without agreeing to a behaviour adjustment, which is very much not how time-limited blocks are supposed to function. Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward) (talk) 23:05, 14 February 2013 (UTC)

Thanks, Chris. I realize there's an implicit deal, but I just thought if he accepts behavior terms that you set in exchange for an "early release", then you would have his commitment in writing. That could be presented to him in the event of any future violations. ;) Also, I think offering him this olive branch would be very effective in calming him down, whereas the two-day ban may only serve to increase his anger. But as I said, I certainly understand your thinking on this. There are no guarantees either way. Have a nice weekend. --76.189.111.199 (talk) 23:34, 14 February 2013 (UTC)

Troll/vandal problem: Windows 1.0 logo

Hello, Chris

I hope I am not overreacting but I think we have a troll/vandal situation here. I do not know if it is premature to bring it to a noticeboard, so I thought perhaps calling you would be more prudent.

Aaleksanyants (talk · contribs) has been attempting to label File:Windows logo and watermark - 1985.svg as fake. I have added three sources but he is denying them altogether. He has already made a similar row in Commons. Please see the most recent entries in Special:Contributions/Aaleksanyants. (This link might also be useful although you might not find anything actionable in Commons: Commons:Special:Contributions.)

Best regards,
Codename Lisa (talk) 12:20, 15 February 2013 (UTC)

I don't think it's a "troll/vandal situation". The two editors strongly opposed to the logo are certainly using excessively heated language in reference to it, and Aaleksanyants isn't helped by his obviously not speaking English as a first language, but it's a legitimate content dispute. I've asked Cabe6403 (talk · contribs), who closed the DRN thread, to reconsider it. As for whether the image belongs on Commons, that's an issue for Commons of course, but in the event that it's deleted (as a non-free image) let me know and I'll restore the original Wikipedia copy. Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward) (talk) 14:26, 15 February 2013 (UTC)