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December 2008

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January 2009

Welcome to Wikipedia. The recent edit you made to Simon Grayson has been reverted, as it introduced negative or controversial biographical material without providing a reliable source for this information. Wikipedia requires that all such material be sourced to address the issue of libel. Thank you. Sceptre ^(talk) 17:41, 9 January 2009 (UTC)

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Proposed deletion of Josh falkingham

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No first-team appearances, so fails WP:ATHLETE.

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Hi I've moved this to Mathieu Baudry and declined the speedy as I read the article as asserting importance. ϢereSpielChequers 12:32, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

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Vokes

Please provide references that clearly state vokes turned down other clubs and which ones. Anything else is just speculation and heresay, expressed in tabloid not encyclopedic tone Wolvesweb (talk) 18:09, 19 October 2009 (UTC)

Full team names

Hi, please do not change the loan info on Leeds United again. As per Wikipedia:WikiProject Football/Clubs, full team names should be used. Thanks. Kosack (talk) 22:33, 19 October 2009 (UTC)

Leeds United A.F.C.

Could you explain your reverts at Leeds United A.F.C.? The columns are uneven after your edit as the number of players on each column is unequal. Cheers, Mattythewhite (talk) 23:01, 26 November 2009 (UTC)

I see, it must be a browser issue; on Firefox 3 the loan info fits into one row and so the columns match up evenly. Mattythewhite (talk) 23:33, 26 November 2009 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Ryan Jones (footballer born 1992)

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Grant Holt

If you're going to do this, you'll have to reinstate the tag I removed which said the Lead was too short. It's now too short again. --Dweller (talk) 23:02, 28 November 2009 (UTC)

Articles for deletion nomination of Ryan Jones (footballer born 1992)

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Unreferenced BLPs

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1. Matty Edwards - Find sources: Google (books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL

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References

Hello, and well done with all your efforts at keeping Leeds United-related pages up to date. But I don't think anyone can have mentioned that information in Wikipedia articles, particularly articles which are about living people (see WP:Biographies of living people), should be verifiable with reference to reliable published sources (see WP:Verifiability). What that means, is that we shouldn't add stuff about a footballer's injuries or contracts or performance in a game, without also adding a link to where we got the information from. Wikipedia isn't interested in what you or I think about a player, but it is interested in true facts and in assessments of the player as reported in reputable publications, like books, newspapers, or mainstream media like the BBC or Sky.

When someone adds a {{Citation needed}} to an article, like at Gary McSheffrey, it's because that fact needed verifying. We can't just write that someone said they fancied a permanent deal at a club without supplying a link to prove it, otherwise people could write all sorts of nonsense and the reader wouldn't know which bits were true and which bits were just stuff they'd made up. cheers, Struway2 (talk) 15:22, 6 February 2010 (UTC)

Sorry I took so long to reply, my internet connection keeps dropping out :-( With stuff from websites, the best easy way is just to put the URL and then a space and then the title, inside a pair of ref tags, like

<ref>http://www.leedsunited.com/news/20100206/hartlepool-live_2247585_1957103 Hartlepool Live</ref>

This will make the details appear in the References section towards the bottom of the article. Have a look at Wikipedia:Referencing for beginners, or Wikipedia:Referencing for beginners without using templates, which will probably explain it more clearly than I can. As to radio interviews, I'd guess that if the interviewee said anything significant, the local paper would have picked it up, even if national media didn't. hope this helps, Struway2 (talk) 15:47, 6 February 2010 (UTC)

Patrick Kisnorbo article

I am not happy by the fact that you are simply entering statements without even including any reference to support it. Typing "According to Radio Leeds" or "from the Leeds United official website" isn't enough. If you want to be lazy and not include a URL for every significant statement you enter then please don't edit at all. And the same goes for Max Gradel's article, which you have also edited without including any URL source. Patrick Kisnorbo has a good article status and I aim to keep it that way, with the exception of the Leeds United section which is out of my hands. But if you're going to keep entering unsourced statements, I'll have to simply remove them without warning. Wolcott (talk) 12:09, 17 February 2010 (UTC)

You can't just simply enter sentences thinking it will be accepted. As long as one of them doesn't include a citation, it will be disputed as false and removed immediately to avoid misleading readers. Since you "don't know how to include the reference links," I suggest you read this. I hope you will take the time to read it if you really want to contribute. Wolcott (talk) 20:05, 20 February 2010 (UTC)

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Middlesborough > Middlesbrough

Hi. In the light of your recent football edits, I hope that you will not mind my pointing out that it is Middlesbrough, not Middlesborough. Hope this helps; thanks and best wishes DBaK (talk) 22:28, 16 September 2010 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Deale Chamberlain

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Proposed deletion of Deale Chamberlain

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fails WP:NSPORTS and WP:GNG - does not play for Leeds in championship (reason for CSD decline) - plays for Leeds U-18 on loan from Liverpool reserves on loan. Recreate if/ when plays for competitive first team match in professional league

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Recent edits

Hi, when updating player articles can you refrain from starting sentances with a date. If you read WP:MOS or MOS:DATE this should give you a clear indication of the WP policy. Also, dates should not be set out in such a way as "8th May", but just "8 May". Thanks, --Jimbo^[online] 14:13, 8 May 2011 (UTC)

Oh and also I'd suggest having a look over MOS:NUM as to how to write numbers, and when to write them as words. In general numbers 1 through 9, are spelt out. As would 1st, 2nd, 3rd...9th. --Jimbo^[online] 14:15, 8 May 2011 (UTC)

Again, I would like to highlight the point of not starting sentences with a date such as. You could simply put the word "On" before the date, or include it later in the sentence to make it look less like a news-bite. Thanks, --Jimbo^[online] 19:09, 10 May 2011 (UTC)

Once again, see MOS:DATE to get an understanding of how to set out dates in Wikipedia. Also see WP:MOS, which will help you structure a proper sentence. --Jimbo^[online] 22:52, 14 May 2011 (UTC)

You seem to have forgotton about dates and full sentances. --Jimbo^[online] 16:11, 2 July 2011 (UTC)

Again, dates should be set out as 30 October, not 30th October. Thanks, --Jimbo^[online] 11:54, 31 October 2011 (UTC)

I guess to keep consistency, and it is policy. --Jimbo^[online] 10:50, 4 November 2011 (UTC)

Just to remind you, dates should be set out as "3 August", not "August 3rd" etc. Also, "wasn't" has an apostrophe in it. Thanks, 23:23, 3 August 2012 (UTC)

Darren O'Dea

You are doing a good job on this page. But please remember to do sources properly. Here is a template I use. <ref name=>{{citenews | url = | title = | publisher = | date = | accessdate = 6 August 2011}}</ref> Adam4267 (talk) 21:57, 6 August 2011 (UTC)

This is a good point, see WP:CS for help with sourcing. Also, Twitter isn't generally considered a reliable source or verifiable. --Jimbo^[online] 14:28, 7 August 2011 (UTC)

Would be helpful if you could start using this template instead of bare links. Also, another reminder dates should be set out as 9 August 2011, not 9th August or August 9 2011. Sponsored names of competitons (such as Carling Cup in stead of the League Cup) are not used, this is a long-standing WP:FOOTY consensus. Thanks, --Jimbo^[online] 21:35, 9 August 2011 (UTC)

All you have to do is fill in the blanks for the following ref template. <ref>{{citenews | url = | title = | publisher = | date = | accessdate = }}</ref> . --Jimbo^[online] 21:46, 11 August 2011 (UTC)

It'd be good if you didn't just ignore the issue. I've helped you, giving you a simple template to fill in when adding references. You should also have a look at WP:BURL for more info. --Jimbo^[online] 13:58, 17 August 2011 (UTC)

add <nowiki> for Adam4267. Matthew_hk tc 19:07, 8 September 2017 (UTC)

Noteworthy

You need to understand what is noteworthy to include. Sitting on the bench or scoring a goal in a run-of-the-mill fixture isn't. I suggest you read up on policies such as WP:BLP and WP:NOT. --Jimbo^[online] 15:08, 1 January 2012 (UTC)

Having got a number of articles to GA standard, I have a good understanding of content that should be included or not. --Jimbo^[online]

Learn about what's noteable and Encyclopedic. I've given you lots of links on the subject to increase your knowledge. Also, it'd help if you read through what you've written to avoid editors having to clear up poor grammar. --Jimbo^[online] 15:19, 1 January 2012 (UTC)

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Alex Bruce

It's tabloid trivia, not worth of mentioning in an encyclopedia. Please now take to the article talk page to discuss the matter, per WP:BRD. GiantSnowman 12:29, 24 February 2012 (UTC)

Twitter is not a reliable source; neither is a tabloid newspaper. You have already been told above, on a different matter, to have a read of WP:BLP and WP:NOT - have you done so? GiantSnowman 12:34, 24 February 2012 (UTC)

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Hello, please don't use sponsor names when referring to leagues. Championship should be used instead. Thanks JMHamo (talk) 10:29, 3 August 2013 (UTC)

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Not the most polite of contributors are you? Only trying to make the page and content better. This is down to personal opinion and as a result, won't show much about anything of his career at Leeds, when reality he is one of the clubs star performers. Thus not reflected by your criteria.

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Hello from Portugal,

i am a veteran of ten years here, so i guarantee you my intentions are 100% correct, and in no way am i trying to mislead you, when i ask you why was i summarily reverted in everything i adjusted/added in this player's page. My additions/adjustments (and your subsequent reversions) were:

1 - no need to write "he is a former Spanish international" in intro, it is written in its later lines; 2 - player position, i added the correct wikilink for the attacking midfielder position you reverted it (and to write that followed immediately by playmaker creates overlinking); 3 - in the infobox, no need for the SC in the club that is loaning him to Leeds, some compression is better there, full names in storyline; 4 - still regarding that aspect, it's Valencia CF (for example) in storyline, Valencia in box; 5 - some sites are referred to as "newspapers" instead of "publishers", i tried to ammend that you reverted everything; 5 - categories: i removed some (for example), no need for the PEOPLE FROM ONDA category, with the PEOPLE FROM CASTELLÓN DE LA PLANA (where Mr. Hernández was born) one it's quite enough. If he is both an attacking midfielder (if you say he plays there for Leeds now i believe you) and a winger we must have both cats. Leeds plays in the Championship now, right? I add the pertinent ENGLISH FOOTBALL LEAGUE PLAYERS category and you revert everything? 6 - last but not least, with sub-sections it's quite a neat display, no need for the sub-sub-sections in the form of loans (for example, the Al-Nasr section consists of ONE line, needless and we can merge that with the parent club); 7 - forgot this, and no need to repeat the infobox in storyline (for example "despite playing 27 times and scoring 3 goals", or "He made 12 appearances, scoring 3 goals for the side" when it's right there in the box to see), and stuff like "stunning" or "thrilling" is completely forbidden by WP guidelines, i think User:GiantSnowman already warned you about the fan-like approach in the previous message.

Attentively, merry Christmas --85.242.133.151 (talk) 01:36, 25 December 2016 (UTC)

• Alright i'll compromise, you can have the piped clubs back (don't understand what the major problem is there, but OK). --85.242.133.151 (talk) 01:51, 25 December 2016 (UTC)

Sorry for bothering you. --85.242.133.151 (talk) 17:39, 8 January 2017 (UTC)

• Don't worry, no message (last time i received no feedback so i won't make that mistake again), only notifying you of this discussion i created here (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Football#User:Tholynski). Attentively --Quite A Character (talk) 16:45, 21 June 2017 (UTC)

Samuel Sáiz, pretty much a given he will sign (a Spaniard is now the coach, so he'll bring in all his buddies and say "up yours" to the homegrown talent!), but when he does: please, no need for the sub-sections of ONE line, one sub-section titled SPAIN and another called LEEDS are enough; also, please stop writing unreferenced international career sections that just REPEAT the infobox; AGAIN, you wrote stuff in Mr. Sáiz's article that belong in club's piece, not his. And this guy is not an attacking midfielder, OK?

Thanks --Quite A Character (talk) 13:11, 25 June 2017 (UTC)

• I have reverted again, please let me work properly on article, i'll try to salvage as much as your info as possible. INT'L CAREER (unref'd again): why only De Gea and Thiago Alcantara deserve mention? Because they are superstars? --Quite A Character (talk) 14:35, 25 June 2017 (UTC)

Another (and you reverted me when i cleaned the Sunday Express source): the DATE of the ref is the actual date of the newspaper/magazine article, the ACCESSDATE is the date when you retrieve the article from the web to Wikipedia, so it's not 1 JULY 2016 for both OK? If we continue in this edit war, we'll end up being BOTH blocked, not sure if you are aware of that. --Quite A Character (talk) 14:41, 25 June 2017 (UTC)

• Yes, Spanish version is so "reliable" it contains ONE ref! No, my work is not better than the vast majority of users here, never said that. Again, give me time to reach a compromise between your edits and mine --Quite A Character (talk) 14:55, 25 June 2017 (UTC)

There is no edit war on my side, just you are someone who prefers to read their articles in their own way and unfortunately you have your own ideas and opinions, I am one of the main editors to do with Leeds United, and due to yourself, I literally can't be bothered to waste my time on trying to improve articles anymore for the time being, as you will just change it or revert it to suit your own style or method. I hope that you continue to update the Leeds players profiles and create the young players profiles (once they make their debuts) like I have done with likes of Lewis Cook, Ronaldo Vieira, Bailey Peacock Farrell, Lewie Coyle and Malick Wilks etc etc. Please continue the good work, but don't scare off other good users and contributors to the site. I hope you find suitable compromise on the edits. Kind Regards -Tholynski ([[User talk:Tholynski]|talk]]) 14:57, 25 June 2017 (UTC)

No worries from me, i will not edit anything related to Leeds except for Christiansen, Samu, Pablo Hernández (and any other Spanish footballers on the side with this manager, which i assume will be a lot). In an hour or two, please visit the article to see how you like it (but i repeat, no extra info needed, it's of ZERO relevance Samu appeared in the playoffs against Getafe if he did nothing extraordinary other than taking the field, OK?). --Quite A Character (talk) 15:06, 25 June 2017 (UTC)

• Finished overall cleanup, let's go step by step: 1 - intro, no need to say all those forms for which he is known, like that suffices (and plus, "Samu" is also in quotation marks right after his first name). Intros are supposed to summarize what a player did or has done, so far Mr. Sáiz has spent most of his career in the lower leagues, or has he not (as of end of 2016-17, ONE game in division 1, 69 games in division 2 and 153 in division three)? I am not trying to diminish him or anything, just stating. Still about intro, no need to say he was groomed at Real Madrid when his impact at their first team would be ZERO, with writing it in storyline it's more than enough; 2 - sub-sections, a great compromise there with you, but in some cases i grouped two clubs, then we can avoid the nonsensical one-liners; 3 - you wrote he was an unused sub for Atlético A against Villarreal, and he tried with Simeone, and you wrote he renewed with Huesca in March 2016, none of that was ref'd until now; i apologize for reverting you when you said he was initially on loan, the box has now been reinstated to convey such info - i also apologize for not seeing eye to eye about his player position, OK a midfielder, but not a second striker (in Spanish "mediapunta" is "attacking midfielder" and "second striker" is "segundo delantero", latter is not mentioned once in sources); 4 - irrelevant to say he played in the playoffs (unless he had scored, he did not!), but did add an important source about his 12 goals this season, as you can see i'm not here to write only negative things my fellow wiki-user;

5 - last but definitely not least: AGAIN, no need to write that about his international career (in intro or an international career section), only three games at the YOUTH level (when 99,9999999999% of the players are not allowed to have a WP article), for what? To mention he had famous teammates? Regards back --Quite A Character (talk) 17:41, 25 June 2017 (UTC)

I think this will illustrate things better than all my words: you were reverted here (please see here https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Pablo_Hern%C3%A1ndez_(footballer,_born_1985)&diff=763878703&oldid=763868555), not by me but by a user/administrator. Somethings are just not meant to be written (we write about milestone goals, not goals that fans find particularly beautiful, etc etc). Attentively --Quite A Character (talk) 20:59, 25 June 2017 (UTC)

• No fellow user, i merely try to: 1 - avoid word repetion in same paragraph; 2 - try to match titles of sources to the corresponding WP article. Of course, you are entitled to believe otherwise and insult me and say I SAY i am better than anyone else when i do not (an AGENDA? Where on earth have i been trying to work against you or anyone (except the darn vandals) here? And i never said you did not add sources to your additions, and in storylines we write "fourth goal" not "4th goal", i merely cleaned up your additions and nothing else, sorry you feel differently).

Sorry for any inconvenience, attentively --Quite A Character (talk) 01:52, 23 August 2017 (UTC)

• No reply whatsoever, even though i explained politely why i do what i do (to cleanup after somebody is not having an agenda against them). OK, i leave you in peace after these words, please follow suit. --Quite A Character (talk) 21:24, 29 August 2017 (UTC)

No problem. Sure, i'll help out whenever needed! --Quite A Character (talk) 18:16, 31 August 2017 (UTC)

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Nuno Santos (footballer, born 1973)

Help if you can, please: do you think you will be able to find some source (even from a Leeds almanac, something) mentioning this guy's spell at your club? I browsed the overall and the Portuguese web, found nothing...

Thanks in advance, happy weekend --Quite A Character (talk) 20:17, 1 September 2017 (UTC)

• Hi. To be fair he was a rather uneventful spell. He was only unused substitute in a few games as we had Nigel Martyn, Mark Beeney and Paul Robinson at the time. A couple of articles about him being on the bench and a squad number source? Not sure if these would be any good for you?

http://www.skysports.com/football/derby-vs-leeds/277827 http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football-on-the-move-1180443.html http://www.skysports.com/football/leeds-vs-chelsea/277825 http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football-oleary-manages-to-release-the-brake-1189923.html https://www.leedsunited.com/news/team-news/2089/squad-numbers

PERFECT! I'll retrieve it to article tomorrow, thanks a lot. --Quite A Character (talk) 21:08, 2 September 2017 (UTC)

• Regarding Mr. Christiansen, i think not. I think it's common practise to only add such content if the subject wins it (i guess, if he was to be nominated five or six times during his career in England and never win the award that would merit a mention). Let's wait.

Happy weekend --Quite A Character (talk) 19:01, 8 September 2017 (UTC)

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Hello Tholynski,

don't know exactly what you mean in this message to User:Mattythewhite (please see here https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Mattythewhite&diff=841850304&oldid=841835854, stumbled upon it by chance because no one notified me of it), but if you by any chance are accusing me of telling on you nothing can be further from the truth. I used that removal of Matty (which i am not saying was RIGHT or WRONG, and for the record Matty has already been reverted in the Joe Hart article) to notify him of another user which i felt may turn a bit problematic in the future, because they added tons of clutter to articles in very poor display.

All in all, i did not portray you in any light (negative or positive), i merely used one edit or yours and a revert by Matty to illustrate something else. So, the question remains: are you accusing me of something or not? Please explain yourself so that i can apologize if need be.

Attentively --Quite A Character (talk) 21:02, 19 May 2018 (UTC)

• I could not agree more. You too, enjoy the remains of the day! --Quite A Character (talk) 16:03, 20 May 2018 (UTC)

I apologise for the rollback at Almeyda, I should not have been so quick to revert! Your version has been reinstated, but I will have to clean it up later. --Quite A Character (talk) 10:58, 11 June 2018 (UTC)

• Done with the cleanup (well, almost, will take me more ten minutes). You continue to add tons of info that belongs in (in this case) Guadalajara's article not (in this case) Almeyda's, and the accessdate (meaning when you retrieve stuff from the net to the WP article) continues to be completely different (you also continue to engage in overlinking). For example, one you added with the 2015 CLAUSURA TOURNAMENT schedule, added today on 11 June 2018, had the following accessdate: 5 NOVEMBER 2015 (and by the way, it is already D-E-A-D)! Not one single one of your sources had today's accessdate, and #19 and #22, which i took the trouble of cleaning up in display, you reverted again; also again, name of subject (or surname) needless repeated in SAME paragraph, and it's "ALMEYDA" not "ALMEDYA". References to scorers of goals (unless done sporadically or of utter relevance) belong in their articles, not this one OK?

Attentively --Quite A Character (talk) 18:49, 11 June 2018 (UTC)

• Next to source #23, "He made his style of 'attacking football' known...". Where did you source that from? I doubt it was from the MATCH SCHEDULE! Sorry, but it has to go unless properly cited. --Quite A Character (talk) 19:35, 11 June 2018 (UTC)

All in all, thanks for the overall improvement, i have finished my cleanup. --Quite A Character (talk) 19:44, 11 June 2018 (UTC)

• Was he Leeds' director of football, or assistant to T. Christiansen if I'm not mistaken? I don't know if that's enough to grant him an article, but ask here to clear all the doubts (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Football). The article has already been deleted once I think, but one can always hope... --Quite A Character (talk) 12:38, 12 June 2018 (UTC)

Like I said mate, try your luck at WP:FOOTY. Indeed, DOF is a major role, so probably the article can be re-created. --Quite A Character (talk) 09:59, 13 June 2018 (UTC)

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Hi there mate, all well?

Was just about to leave home, but for now i'll leave the following notes and tomorrow i'll have a look if need be, no problem! 1 - no, his first goal of 2018-19 is not notable (not for him only, for all players in the world), only milestones (first goal, championship/cup final goals, etc); 2 - his name? Someone changed it without explanation (i know, he's also known as "Samu" back in Spain), and so i thought a coherent cleanup was in need.

I think if you can find a ref of that, we can always write "sometimes known as Samu" in the introduction, that will suffice. Enjoy your editing/weekend as well --Quite A Character (talk) 22:29, 17 August 2018 (UTC)

• Work addressed: 1 - a quick Google search (please see here https://www.google.pt/search?q=samu+saiz+midfielder+leeds&ei=Tld4W6jwNtCua9j3oVg&start=10&sa=N&biw=1280&bih=887) will produce thousands of results "calling" him SAMUEL Sáiz and only the odd one "calling" him SAMU Sáiz, so i think it's best if we leave the naming/intro/box as it is; 2 - i would love to help out and update the statistical chart found below, but i'm as dumb as they come regarding these :(

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Hi there,

transfer confirmed (as in the Premier League, unfortunately, Championship teams also prefer foreigners - even OLD ones - over homegrown talent, a pity! In my country, the same stuff), cleaned up article and added due stuff (i.e. categories).

About my reversion of you: 1 - apologies, those 17 appearances are indeed mentionable so I reinstated them (did not notice I had "erased" them originally). Reinstated them with a proper ref (news article, with words), not a SOCCERBASE (and not UEFA as you mention) stat sheet; 2 - a 32-year-old on THE BENCH of a match, even one of that importance is of zero relevance, so that one is of no need to the article.

Regarding your question (the scoreboard incident): of course it does not warrant inclusion, unencyclopedical as it comes!

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• A tall and agile keeper (thus, apparently a good sign), but since i don't know what the former starter at Leeds was like or if the team have any injury issues in the position i'm not going to comment if the purchase was necessary or not (maybe it was, maybe it wasn't). Yesterday, in a Primeira Liga match, FC Porto utilised 14 players and ALL 14 were foreigners, pityful!

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WP:SLASH

Hi. Thanks for your major addition to Teun Koopmeiners. Good work! Just a quick heads-up: Per WP:SLASH slashes shouldn't be used the way you did for the player's playing position in the infobox. I've fixed that. The other changes I included in my edit have to do with WP:NOTBROKEN. Kind regards, Robby.is.on (talk) 22:56, 25 September 2020 (UTC)

Career stats table at Daniele Cacia

Hi. Could you please fix and standardise the career statisticss table you added at Daniele Cacia in 2014 ([1])? After all those years, there's still Italian in it. Kind regards, Robby.is.on (talk) 00:14, 15 October 2020 (UTC)

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