Macedonian

re:Testes @ Mycenaean Greece

Hello, A Macedonian
You beat me to it. We edit conflicted as I tried to add a warning message to 86.96.229.89 (talk · contribs)s talk page, after I reverted their silly unconstructive edits. They seemed very unlikely to be true! Happy editing! ‎- 220.101 talk^\Contribs 14:03, 13 February 2011 (UTC)

Of course they are not true. I thought you wasn't going to warn them, that's why I did it. Keep up the good job! A Macedonian, a Greek. (talk) 14:18, 13 February 2011 (UTC)

Well, some people do eat 'them'.(But sacrifice!?) I do usually warn about such silliness, but reverting and ignoring (thus denying their 'feedback' from us, which may be their entire purpose) saves time & typing! My internet link is slow (256K), so it takes a while to edit, preview and save, which is why we edit conflicted. Anyway, all good! - 220.101 talk^\Contribs 17:05, 14 February 2011 (UTC)

Your opinion on Mastika article

Please give your opinion about the Slavic use of term "mastika" as unrelated to Greek mastiha beverages. Chem-is-try7 (talk) 19:24, 28 August 2017 (UTC).

Thank you

Thank you very much for your help. I really appreciate it. Take care. Dr.K. ^{λogosπraxis} 23:43, 26 February 2011 (UTC)

Τσώπα ορέ, εφ'όσον είχε ουμπίες! (Translation: You are most welcome.) A Macedonian, a Greek. (talk) 00:10, 27 February 2011 (UTC)

I understood everything except "ουμπίες". I am now reminded of the variety and beauty of the Greek dialects. Thank you very much, ευχαριστώ πολύ. Τα ξαναλέμε. Dr.K. ^{λogosπraxis} 02:32, 27 February 2011 (UTC)

Ah, a shame, I thought that one would be the funniest... Ουμπία is translated as "έμμονη ιδέα, προκατάληψη, δυσειδαιμονία" and comes from Italian ubbia, meaning "irrational fear" (Γεράσιμος Χυτήρης, Κερκυραικό Γλωσσάρι, Κέρκυρα, 1992). See you around. A Macedonian, a Greek. (talk) 09:26, 27 February 2011 (UTC)

This is really funny. I thought this was part of your local dialect. But obviously your citation refers to another region altogether. Looks like a good book. I may have to order it. :) Take care. Dr.K. ^{λogosπraxis} 10:24, 27 February 2011 (UTC)

Well, I saw Angelokastro on your userpage (beautiful picture btw, congrats) and I just couldn't resist to use a couple of words of the Corfiot idiom. It is a really good book, you should go for the revised second edition, 1992. Cheers!A Macedonian, a Greek. (talk) 10:59, 27 February 2011 (UTC)

Thank you for the nice comments about the picture. It is a nice place and the picture may have caught some of the ambience. Thank you for the book details. It is already on my to-do list. Unfortunately this type of Corfiote dialect is not spoken too widely any longer, if at all. It must be the result of the uniform Greek education curriculum, but this analysis is for another day. It is good that a book has captured it for posterity because I don't see it surviving much longer. Best wishes. Dr.K. ^{λogosπraxis} 17:19, 27 February 2011 (UTC)

Hello

I noticed recently the Alexander the Great article no longer refers to Alexander as a 'Greek King.' I was not happy about this and wrote a small question on the discussion page here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Alexander_the_Great#Alexander_self-identified_as_Greek.2C_so_why_are_we_so_afraid_to_agree_with_his_own_words_2000_years_later.3F

What do you think about the change? [[User:Reaper7|Reaper7[[ (talk) 11:12, 6 April 2011 (UTC)

Well, Alexander the Great was a Macedonian and a Greek as Leonidas I was a Spartan and a Greek or Themistocles was an Athenean and a Greek. What was being a "Greek" at the time if not to share the same kinship, language and culture (religion, cults, customs, etc.) with other Greeks? Wikipedia tries to maintain a political correct policy, which is fair; however it's true that even if political correctness was created in good intentions, it seems that it's often overused, misused, or taken way out of context, but I don't think that's the case here. Yannismarou comments well about it, take a look. A Macedonian (talk) 10:54, 8 April 2011 (UTC)

Crucifixion Article

To use of the Orpheus Amulet in that article is inappropriate as Historian James Hannam demonstrated it was a 19th century fake. That is why I removed it from the article.

http://www.bede.org.uk/orpheus.htm — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kristhehistorian (talk • contribs) 04:52, 29 May 2011 (UTC)

Better take it to article's talk page to adjust info before remove it. A Macedonian, a Greek. (talk) 05:29, 31 May 2011 (UTC)

Northern Cyprus History Section. Yes I should not have reverted without an explanation. Sorry about that.

Yes I should not have reverted without an explanation. Sorry about that. But protests about the weak economy in Northern Cyprus are so common that they are not extraordinary events historically speaking. They happen practically every month, not just in the year 2011. A lot of larger and more bitter protests about the economy have occured continuously for the previous years from the 1990s onwards, (for instance culminating in the storming of the Turkish Cypriot parliament in 1998) that the economic protests of this year seem rather pale. Economic protest are a fact of Turkish Cypriot life, rather than landmark events such as the referendum of 2004.

It is also not 100% linked with the Cyprus conflict either (eg.: embargoes), because the reasons are also too much reliance on Turkey, lack of any real investments from Turkey, this aid is used to pay the wages of the civil servants, and high level of corruption in which the financial aid given by Turkey is syphoned off. May be these reasons should be put in the economy section of Northern Cyprus - with sources of course. But in the history section the economic protests of 2011 are rather insignificant, compared to the previous years, To be historically signifcant for the history section, they should for example, paralyze the whole country or cause a change of government.

(Menikure talk) 12:27, 9 June 2011 (UTC)

Donika Kastrioti

CO please don't revert edits as vandalism with Twinkle especially when the edits themselves are correct as in the case of Donika Kastrioti, a member of the Catholic families of Arianiti and Muzaka.I thought you were removing, sorry.--— ZjarriRrethues — ^talk 06:20, 13 June 2011 (UTC)

No problem. A Macedonian, a Greek. (talk) 07:22, 13 June 2011 (UTC)

Reverts

Hello, just a piece of advice: I think you should be a bit less quick using your twinkle vandalism reverts. This [1] edit clearly wasn't vandalism, nor for all I can see was this [2]. I'm also pretty confident this [3] edit not only wasn't vandalism but was also factually correct (see discussion at Talk:Thessaloniki#photo). Fut.Perf. ☼ 21:19, 16 June 2011 (UTC)

You are quite right on the third revert, but I have my doubts on the first and second. A Macedonian, a Greek. (talk) 05:46, 17 June 2011 (UTC)

What "doubts" do you have? Of course these edits may have been objectionable for some reason or other, but that doesn't mean they were vandalism. The Macedonian Congress one had a clear and sensible edit summary, and the issue of terminology choice between "Palestine" and "Canaan" is quite open, as far as I'm aware. Fut.Perf. ☼ 06:24, 17 June 2011 (UTC)

I mean that as for this revert the term "Palestine" existed since 2008, yet I assumed good faith by the anon when he it was changed to "Canaan", hence I gave a Level 1 warning. As for this revert, anon removed a large content of the article and I think the edit summary was not enough, since the information given in the deleted paragraph does relate to the article. A Macedonian, a Greek. (talk) 21:25, 17 June 2011 (UTC)

A popular Macedonian

at least with one wacky Turk I see. Toddst1 (talk) 22:26, 23 June 2011 (UTC)

Quite right... :) A Macedonian, a Greek. (talk) 22:29, 23 June 2011 (UTC)

So I've temporarily semi-ed your talk page. Toddst1 (talk) 22:54, 23 June 2011 (UTC)

Thank you. A Macedonian, a Greek. (talk) 22:56, 23 June 2011 (UTC)

Vandalize; Ballet

This is some kind of mistake I have not made any edits from this computer. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.9.100.72 (talk) 17:04, 10 August 2011 (UTC)

Maybe this is a shared IP address and someone else before you vandalised the article? A Macedonian, a Greek. (talk) 21:23, 12 August 2011 (UTC)

Android (robot)

Hi

For us non-Greek speakers, can you tell me what the "vandalism" was on that page please? Thanks Chaosdruid (talk) 22:10, 12 August 2011 (UTC)

Hi, sure. See here: root ρ- 'man' , instead of: root ανδρ- 'man' . A Macedonian, a Greek. (talk) 06:57, 13 August 2011 (UTC)

Sure, I could already see that was the cause of the problem, unfortunately I do not know how that is vandalism. To me, and probably to most non-Greek readers, it is just two versions of Greek that mean the same thing, "man". How is using the different Greek letters and words vandalising? Is it saying something rude? insulting? etc. Chaosdruid (talk) 03:05, 20 August 2011 (UTC)

It's blanking. It cuts the root to the meaningless -ρ-, (nothing but a letter; "rho") from -ανδρ-, i.e. the proper root of the Greek word for "man", ergo vandalism. Dr.K. ^{λogosπraxis} 03:15, 20 August 2011 (UTC)

And, of course, non-Greek speakers cannot, by definition, catch such vandalism because it is all Greek to them. That's why we have the Greek speakers to catch such things. Dr.K. ^{λogosπraxis} 03:25, 20 August 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for the explanation, I will revert if I see it. I like the idiom btw, though we don't really use that idiom in the UK -I would probably have used the term Double Dutch, as Greek is a language and double dutch isn't :¬) Chaosdruid (talk) 03:44, 20 August 2011 (UTC)

You are very welcome Chaos. I find the idiom amusing. Apparently the ancient Romans used it and later it was adopted in some modern languages as well. I also find the British logic for using "Double Dutch" impeccable :) Dr.K. ^{λogosπraxis} 03:53, 20 August 2011 (UTC)

Need your specialised opinion

Please read the discussion that I've had with Fut Perf on the Kostas Novakis talk page. I know that I am not wrong but Fut Perf has steamrolled me. I have been articulate and patient but neither Fut Perf or Lunch for Two have shown me Good Faith. You don't need to get involved. If you think I am wrong (and I know that I'm not wrong) please tell me here. None of the sources used on that article corroborate that the language is Wikipedia's invention of "ethnic Macedonian" and in fact Kostas Novakis makes it absolutely clear that it is Slavomacedonian (which is all the Slavic languages in the same melting pot and not specifically Wikipedia's "ethnic Macedonian") on his CDs. Only one song (and I have no idea if it has been included on any of the CDs) is reported by Eleutherotypia, to have been recorded by Novakis, to be in the language called "i makedoniki" (which could in fact be the ancient Greek dialect of Macedonian because that is what it is called in Greece). But that is only one song. Fut Perf claims that one sentence about that one song is good enough for all the songs on all three CDs to be labelled "ethnic Macedonian" when there is no evidence that that only song, of 1,000 plus songs recorded by Novakis, is in itself not in the ancient Greek dialect of Macedonian. Both Lunch for Two and Fut Perf are manipulating the facts to back their political agendas. Fut Perf in particular is extremely manipulative and is very good at it. Walks on to the talk page and immediately accuses me of serial edit-warring (when I have not done so on the Kostas Novakis article) and uses that momentum in an effort to bully me in to submission. That's not an uncommon approach from Fut Perf and I have experienced it before. I have maintained my cool and have not taken the bait but the issue on the talk page remains unresolved.  Nipsonanomhmata  ^(Talk) 01:31, 20 August 2011 (UTC)

Nicosia

Hello Macedonian. There is some edit warring going in Nicosia regarding the representation of the Turkish Municipality of Nicosia in the infobox. In the talk page, we've agreed that it this entity is not recognised by the Republic of Cyprus (the only recongised government in the island). This has been reflected in the article as well. In my view this entity's seal should not be shown in the infobox as it only represents Northern Nicosia (not Nicosia as a whole) - wheather legal or not. I've already made a suggestion to split the article in two Nicosia, Republic of Cyprus and Northern Nicosia, TRNC to avoid this sort of conflicts which have been going on in the last couple of months. I'd appreciate any thoughts you have on the issue. Many thanks. Masri145 (talk) 10:59, 9 September 2011 (UTC)

Recipe external links

Hello Macedonian. Recently I added a link to an external links section of a page on casserole. The link is a casserole recipe, so its content is directly relevant to the page. I wonder why you removed it. Can you please explain? I can demonstrate hundres of other wikipedia pages on food which have recipe links in their external links section. Is there anything on my recipe page that makes it unlinkable per Wikipedia codes of conduct. Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Uddemir (talk • contribs) 21:28, 7 November 2011 (UTC)

Hello there. The link you provided is irrelevant to the article, see n. 13 here. It will probably be relevant to articles such as Hyponatremia or Mushroom. Thanks for dropping by. A Macedonian, a Greek. (talk) 07:16, 8 November 2011 (UTC)

Hi I agree with the casserole guy Uddemir, I did the same with "pancake" and you erased my link, and you also erased other from foodnetwork. Of course if we are talking about food is relevant to put a link to a recipe or to tricks to do it, because is useful for people. Thank you — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bliko777 (talk • contribs) 18:32, 14 November 2012 (UTC)

Hi there. Please see here. Thank you, Macedonian, a Greek (talk) 18:39, 14 November 2012 (UTC)

Ionian Sea

Thanks for that. I saw the "Our Sea" analysis right before you deleted it and wanted to quickly add at least a bit of cited Greek info to stem any tide of that sort of thing. You might, if interested, also want to take a look at the Etymology section at Ionian Islands. — the cardiff chestnut | talk — 13:12, 19 November 2011 (UTC)

Well done and thank you too. I never had Ionian Islands on my watchlist, I will give it a look. A Macedonian, a Greek. (talk) 13:17, 19 November 2011 (UTC)

Re: Cygnus

Re-reverted, because it's not a candidate black hole any more, but a confirmed black hole, as per: http://chandra.harvard.edu/photo/2011/cygx1/ Thanks for your concern. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.169.89.15 (talk) 17:21, 26 November 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for replying. It's always good to add a reason on the edit summary, as you did now. Macedonian (talk) 17:59, 26 November 2011 (UTC)

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re: Souliotes

The source was there, I just added the comment and sourced it again. Please read the source before removing and keep in mind that the Souliotes were part of Albanian history as much as they were part of Greek history. Please do not remove all references to Albania. Cheers. ZogSokoli (talk) 16:52, 9 December 2011 (UTC)

As I explained on the summary, I reverted you because there is a consensus on the talkpage, have a look. Macedonian (talk) 18:47, 9 December 2011 (UTC)

Bryophyte

This is not a loanword from Modern Greek. It comes from Latin bryophyta, which is constructed from Ancient Greek root words. Hence, your category addition was incorrect. --EncycloPetey (talk) 05:01, 18 December 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for correcting me, you are right. This is not a loanword since it's not directly taken into English. Macedonian (talk) 08:37, 18 December 2011 (UTC)

Molossians

How come my edit is not constructive when it clearly supports the theory stated in the article by offering an additional example? All I added was a cognate of pelioi with analogous meaning in another Indo-European that existed and developed side by side with Greek. Such comparisons are used all the time when assessing the meaning of ancient words. What could serve better than an illustration using a living language? I hope that you reinsert the line I added to the article.--76.185.14.59 (talk) 04:02, 21 December 2011 (UTC)

Hi. You will need a source for that, pls see WP:RS. Macedonian (talk) 04:04, 21 December 2011 (UTC)

Also, it's irrelevant to the article. Macedonian (talk) 04:34, 21 December 2011 (UTC)

Macedonia term and modern usage - Compose of a neutral map

Macedonia first of all is an ancient kingdom and then everything else. To what you refer as macedonia boundaries in this page, you refer only the last 100 years. I guess we miss some thousands years of definition. This page lack of information, facts, and education. What you call boundaries of Macedonia todays, you refering to the Turkish Vilayet of Thessaloniki, Monastir and Kosovo. However due the Ottoman Empire period, nowhere is reffering to the area as macedonia. However Turks make their vilayets not according to geographic term or ethnic groups areas, but they make vilayets according to the mix of population, because this cause less revolts and plus the local nations fight each other. Also in all Ottoman censuses, nowhere is mentioned any "macedonian" nation. So where was located Macedonia the previous centuries? Macedonia due the Byzantine period referred to the Themas of Thessaloniki, Strymon and Macedonia (which located in todays East Macedonia and Thrace. Evidence of that we can find into the Bulgarian Nationalism in the first and second wars and in the some previous years. VMRO, an originally Bulgarian organization which claims Macedonia to unite it with rest Bulgaria, was set mainly by Bulgarians, which Greeks and Albanians join in common goals of sending Turks away. Bulgarians refer to Macedonia as it was the Themas of Thessaloniki, Strymon and Macedonia, plus the Shopluk area. In Byzantine period Macedonia Thema was in the area of Adrianople, which VMRO claims also as Macedonia (See Bulgarian Nationalism and maps related to VMRO). VMRO exist as organization till today with claims over Vardar region due the high Bulgarian population in Shopluk area. Also there is another new VMRO of Skopje origin created the last decade and is the current political party and government in Skopje (FYROM). For the record, Bulgarians and Slavs came in the region of Balkans in the 6th century AD according of what they say and their history. Macedonia thema was relocated in late Byzantine period for strategic reasons and mainly due of the came of Bulgarians and Slavs in the area of Balkans after the 6th century and the wars between Byzantines and Bulgarians. In Roman period Macedonia was a cross road and located mainly from Durres in Albania all across the "Egnatia Odos". Is impotant to mention that Skopje city is all that period, never was part of Macedonia. However the City of Skopje original name was Scupi (Roman), Shkupi(Illyrian) and proof of that is the even latest period of Ottoman Empire which the City of Skopje known as Uskup, the name Skopje is recently invented and name it. Before even the Roman period, was the Hellenistic Era, even in that time Skopje city was not into the Macedonia's borders. There are questions such, why Alexander the Great spread Hellenism and not Macedonian stuffs if he spoke another language? Why he order Athenean Greek ships to explore red sea and find a route to India? What for was the Oath of Alexander in Opis? Why left no evidence of "Macedonism" instead all left are Greek if Macedonia and Greece was two different things? Probably because Macedonia is nothing more than Greece. What about the Kingdoms after Alexander's the Great era? Why Alexander had Greek teacher and not macedonian if it's different language? How they communicate? And for those who believe that Philippos does not like rest Greeks, why he teach Greek to his son and why he had Greek name as he and his son? Let's go to some definition. In ancient Greece there was no single thing called Greece, but there was region cities/states which fought each other and make alliances for glory and power. Notable is the Peloponnesian war which keeps for 50 years between Sparta (Lakaidemonians) and Athena. Each side had other Greek region cities/states as their alliances. For example Macedonia was with Sparta and Thebes with Athena etc. However when the so called Barbarians came in the area, Greeks stop fight each other, they form all together an army and send away the Barbarians, after that they continue their internal wars. Alexander the Great wanted to lead a campaign to Asia against Persians, however the rest states doubt if he can lead that due his very young age. For this reason he had to proof his self against the opposite alliance and did it. Note that areas such Epirus or Sparta was not set foot because they came from same alliance. After he prove his self to the opposite alliance he recruit army, which not include Spartans as respect of their legend in their epis battles of Thermopulai against Persians. The main reason of Alexander the Great of his campaign to Asia, was to take revenge for all Greeks about the wars of the previous centuries and of course as dreamed a free world. Greeks are all those which came from same nation and share same language, gods, tradition and civilization. A state or kingdom does not make the nation. Nation is people of same origin, and doesn't matter if they have one or more states. Example is the Albanians, are spread in Albania, Kosovo and FYROM, they have two states, they mainly are spread to another one, but they are from one nation. About the Vergina Sun, the sun of Vergina has been found to various Greek locations and is a symbol that represents the Olympian Gods mainly, the four elements etc. Actually is a Greek symbol and have found centuries prior Alexander's era in various locations within the Ancient Greece regions cities/states. About the language, Makedonia, Alexandros and Filippos has a meaning in Greek language. What it means in Skopski language? In Skopski language all those words has no meaning and is some plain words. And if all is different with Macedonia and Greece, how can those words has meaning in Greek language but not in Skopski language? What about the Skopski names and traditions, language? How can be related with Macedonia? And if you tell me that all change from time to time. Still how can be everything completly change? And if we speak about the Slav-Macedonian. Slavs came after 6th AD in the region of Balkans, they came 1000 years after Alexander's the Great death. Bible reffers also to the Macedonia. There are more problem to consider about the new State of Macedonija, the 35% of the total population are Ethnic Albanians which Skopski republic want to name them "macedonians" by force. Is important to know that all those Albanians who makes the 35% of the total population of FYROM, they didn't migrate there recently, but this place was their natural home before even the slavs came to the region. We mention about the city of Skopje for it's original name etc. earlier. Also there are more minorities groups in FYROM who are not refer to their selfs as "macedonians" Another issue is the Shopluk area and the Bulgarian population. More notes, into the FYROM parliament there are two official languages, Albanian and Skopski, anyone can speak whatever want, also Bulgaria issue passports to Skopski people because it decides that Skopski people are Bulgarians, passport issued to them just by fill up one form in the Bulgarian embassy. Is very known that FYROM people can understand better the Bulgarian subtitles than the Serbian one. Other remarks, the VMRO never claimed the Greek name of Macedonia or Alexander the Great, but they claim territory as due the centuries they lived and spread to that territories as outcome of the wars between Greeks and Bulgarians and they call the region Macedonia, as they learned from Greeks when they appear in Balkans in the 6th century. Today Bulgarians has no intentions to the historic Macedonia, but they have to Vardarska region (FYROM) which Shopluk located and many Bulgarians live. After VMRO failed to accomplish it claims, Yugoslavia turn that propaganda into it's own favour by renain the regions to sosialistic internal republics with extension views against Bulgarians, Greeks and Albanians. This change happened due the communist changes, as same happened to Communist Russia at that time. After the second world war, a civil war comes in Greece between the communists and democratics. Communist take their supplies from Yugoslavia which aims to expend to Macedonia by using the communism as an excuse. Yugoslavians of the Vardarska commited genocide against Greeks and they mess into internal matters. Prior that it had followed the plan of Yugoslavias extension to Bulgaria, Greece and Albania, and for this reason happened the renames of the regions to socialistic republics, to fullfill that plans and to create claims from nowhere. However and this propaganda failed. After the break up of the Yugoslavia, the Republic of Macedonija (FYROM) born. The only way to survive while is landlocked, is to take from others and to invent history if wants to survive. The first part, of adopt Bulgarian language and tradition it was already there as also the name, as given to the communist era. Now that communism in Yugoslavia collapse and the break, the area was landlocked and with no major population. However the first President of Republic of Macedonija (FYROM), make it clear that they are Slavs and they have no connection with Alexander the Great and his Macedonia (check videos). We can continue very much more further. Mention also that in the Ottoman Empire, even in 18th century was newpapers in Greek language, with names "Pharos" and "Makedonia" ... based in Thessaloniki.

COMPOSE OF A NEUTRAL MAP

Now let's back to wiki, a neutral map must not lay only to one side, but to show all sides. A neutral map must write in english or local language the name of the area according to what each state call the area. Then the map must write the names of the countries as it's nation wall it self and as others call the other nations. This will represent all sides and names in one and is very enough fair. Also the boundaries of Macedonia must be dotted, and within the dots and rest area to mention the name of the country, inside dots must be written all countries related to Macedonia region. Colors must be the main national colors, blue, red and green. Map must present also the ancient Macedonian kingdom and it's capital cities. Also additional can be a light line of the expand of Macedonia during Alexander's the Great time but remember that was a time of few years only according to the whole Macedonia's Kingdom period. This will be a very neutral map which will respect everyone.

NOTE: FYROM 40% of population are ethnics of other nationalities and they don't consider their selfs as "Skopski-Macedonijans" or "Slav-Macedonians" anything similar. All those populations aren't came there by migration, but where they live is their natural home. Meed to consider the opinion of the 35% of Ethnic Albanians and rest minorities groups. Then we can talk about good faith and neutral. --ГоранМирчевски (talk) 23:53, 23 December 2011 (UTC)

You have a point ГоранМирчевски. Perhaps we can add some of the info above to a few articles, providing reliable sources, of cource. Macedonian (talk) 07:55, 24 December 2011 (UTC)

Quick question

I understand that purely because Macedonian's see their nation and refer to their nation as 'Macedonia' wiki has to follow suit on how it names the article. I am fine with that. My question is this. Alexander the Great, his father Philip II and many of their forefathers referred to themselves as Greek, in letters/speeches and commonly and openly claimed Greek descent from the Argead dynastic house of Argos. they often went out of their way to state their Greek ancestry due to aggressive enemies within the Greek world who sought to devalue their Greek credentials.

Is it then fair to mention that they were 'Greek' kings on the introduction pages of their respective articles as that is what they self identified as. This 'Greek' label was unceremoniously removed years ago by the famous army of editors that redefined these pages for ever. As far as logic goes, would it be acceptable to mention these kings were as Greek as they referred to themselves. As it stands, the reader has no indication these kings were Greek unless he scans the 1800 line article and notices under culture that these kings shared the same religion/language etc as 'Greeks.' I would be really interested to hear your opinion on the matter. Reaper7 (talk) 23:44, 24 December 2011 (UTC)

Actually, I tend to think that this is ok, similar to articles like Leonidas I or Miltiades, where we don't mention their obvious Greekness. But I'm not really sure that's the right think to do with Alexander and Philip, considering the nationalistic actions... We do know of course that wikipedia tries to keep a "political correct" stance, but I believe that although political correctness was created in good intentions, it is often overused, misused, or taken way out of context. Macedonian (talk) 08:10, 25 December 2011 (UTC)

Sphere is Kugel in germany

Dear Macedonian. I am still waiting for an explaination why you mean that de:Kugel is not the right linking from sphere into the german wikipedia. Go the way en -> fr -> de, en -> nl -> de, en -> da -> de, what ever you want. You will allways come to de:Kugel. The german article de:sphäre_(Mathematik) belongs to a special meaning of sphere in mathematics, which exactly is described in the english article N-sphere. --B-greift (talk) 19:59, 3 January 2012 (UTC)

I'm sorry, didn't have your talk page on my watchlist. Apologising, I fixed it. Macedonian (talk) 06:22, 4 January 2012 (UTC)

Talkback

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Yiasou! Can you help? I was improving the Hellenism (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hellenism) page and the edits were deleted. I propose making it into more than a disambiguation page. It should define what Hellenism is along with its many uses. Here is a similar example: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judaism Euxaristo! Editorinfo (talk) 14:54, 14 January 2012 (UTC)

Yeia kai hara! Judaism is an article, while Hellenism is a disambiguation page that links to articles associated with the same title. Macedonian (talk) 15:38, 14 January 2012 (UTC)

Sneaky edits

Warning: sneaking in an obvious POV edit like this with an edit summary of "fmt." is seriously disruptive. Stop it. Fut.Perf. ☼ 13:34, 25 January 2012 (UTC)

What do you mean? I read WIPO info, did I comprehend it wrong? Macedonian (talk) 13:45, 25 January 2012 (UTC)

My warning was about the fact that you hid this very substantial edit under the edit summary of a mere "fmt." change. Clearly misleading. – About the issue itself: the actual text of the treaty is here [4].

1. It has nothing to do with copyright. There couldn't possibly be "copyright" on something that was created two and a half millenia ago. It's a matter related to trademark protection, which is a different thing.
2. The whole scope of that treaty is exclusively about whether private entities may adopt a symbol as their own private trademark, while it is also in use as a state symbol somewhere else. Again, nothing to do with copyright, and nothing to do with competing usage by several states themselves.
3. The fact that the V.S. is listed in the WIPO registry merely means that the WIPO duly registered the claim as filed by Greece. That registration is automatic; they will register whatever a state party submits in this way. It implies no endoresement and no automatic legal enforcement. The R. of Macedonia duly filed its objection a short time later, so it's essentially a claim and a counter-claim and nothing more.
4. Greece file its claim at a time when use of the symbol by others was already established. The registration doesn't apply retroactively ("these provisions shall apply only to marks registered more than two months after receipt of the communication provided for in paragraph (3), above"), so if any private body abroad had already secured a trademark including the V.S. before that time, it would continue to be valid.
5. The treaty has no bearing whatsoever on the use of the V.S. as a political or cultural symbol, outside the domain of trademarks.
6. I'm not aware Greece has ever tried to legally enforce its alleged exclusive rights against any foreign party that was using the symbol, for instance by suing one of those diaspora organizations in Canada or Australia. I suspect they wouldn't stand a chance in court.

In short, the whole thing is pretty irrelevant for just about anything. Fut.Perf. ☼ 14:08, 25 January 2012 (UTC)

Ok, there was no sneak intention to that edit whatsoever, but I admit it was a brief but wrong wording. About the protection, I read these: Circular Number: 3536, Circular Number: 7397. I will read the link you provided when I have some free time. Macedonian (talk) 14:51, 25 January 2012 (UTC)

Uhm, yes? Those two links are the registration documents relating to symbols belonging to the European Patents Office or something. What do they have to do with anything? Fut.Perf. ☼ 15:15, 25 January 2012 (UTC)

You are right on the copyright issue, I apologize for the mess. But I don't understand, do you mean that the symbol is not protected under WIPO's Article 6ter as a state emblem of Greece? [5], [6], [7]. Macedonian (talk) 03:11, 27 January 2012 (UTC)

It's protected against use in industrial trademarks by private entities (except, arguably, in the R.o.M., if the objection they registered is still considered active, and not superceded by the Interim Agreement). Any other use, as a political, cultural or historical symbol, including competing use as an official symbol by some other state, is completely unaffected by this treaty. Fut.Perf. ☼ 15:18, 28 January 2012 (UTC)

Ok, thanks. Macedonian (talk) 15:26, 28 January 2012 (UTC)

Civil

I have not made any personal attacks against you. Highlighting the character of your edits and content is a different matter. If you want respect, something which I myself wish to give to others, then you'd have to really 'grow up' - as a person and as an academic. Everyone is entitled to their view point -that's fine. However, when one edits disruptively by removing sources and then placing 'cite needed' tags, how are others supposed to react to such actions ? Also, like I have stated in the past, if you really want to learn about our (both our Macedonias) history, then you really must start reading some higher level stuff. Only then will you really understand the issues, this will enable you to understand the remarkably interestng aspects of historical development, and ultimately, stop the 'hate'. Coz I for one have nothign against GReece, or its proud history, and many of my colleagues/ school friends/ godparents even, are Greek. But then again, Im in Australia, and people here aren't so engulfed with 'historical rights' Slovenski Volk (talk) 05:10, 1 February 2012 (UTC)

Slovenski Volk, calling me a nationalist is a personal attack, to name one... My edits are about improving the articles, and if cn tags are needed, we must add them, especially in articles of such interest. And if I didn't add cn tags, you wouldn't come back with some more sources, as you did, which is just an improve to the article. You must "react to such actions" with civility and cooperation, not with irony [8], [9] and personal comments[10]. I am a Macedonian as 3 million other Greeks are, deal with it and stop monopolizing the name in favour of Macedonian Slavs by using ironic quotation marks when you address to me. And which "hate" exactly are you referring to? Macedonian (talk) 06:56, 1 February 2012 (UTC)

No; the additions were all adequately referenced, but you;d know that if you actually read or were even aware of the material referenced - in such case you wouldn't need to constantly add 'cn' after every single sentence which doesn;t sit well with your personal opinion. I merely came back with more sources just because I could, because my knowlegde is deep and sources plentiful. And how am I monopolizing the name "Macedonian" ? You're the one with such a username. Not that it matters, but i don't agree with the Macedonian governments actions; but that doesn;t mean I;ll stop trying to diminish POV and improve the quality in all Balkan related history articles. So feel free to call yourself whatever you wish. Slovenski Volk (talk) 08:54, 1 February 2012 (UTC)

Slovenski Volk, citations are important part of any Wikipedia article. You are monopolizing the name in favour of Macedonian Slavs by claiming that I'm not a Macedonian since I'm not a Macedonian Slav, using quotation marks in a clearly ironic way when you address to me as "Macedonian", and you know very well what I mean as you have repeatedly done it, see links above. But you didn't answer me, what "hate" exactly are you referring to? Macedonian (talk) 12:37, 1 February 2012 (UTC)

are you still whining about your name? Like I said, call yourself what you wish. Ill stop using the quotation marks of sarcasm. The other referece I was saying is that if people were more thoroughly educated about the intricacies of identity and history in our region, then there would be no hatred or tension about historical rights. basically, I agree wholly that modern Macedonians have no direct link to Ancient Macedonia. But then, neither do you. Even if we accept that the Ancients spoke Greek, and even though they became accepted as Greeks, Greece does not own the name, nor its 'historical rights'. The Hellenic Republic was forged in 19th century, so how it can own something which existed some 2, 500 years before the inception of its state and constitution, and feel that this name was "usurped" ? There is no direct continuity between any modern nation and any ancient people, so its history is, both, everyone's and no-one's. Slovenski Volk (talk) 09:56, 2 February 2012 (UTC)

I see your point, but you are missing a few things: ancient Macedonians not just spoke Greek or accepted as Greeks. They also self-identified as Greeks, participated in Greek games where only Greeks could take part, had Greek names, shared the same religion and customs with the other Greeks, spread Greek language and culture wherever they went, etc. Yes, the modern Greek state was established in the 19th century, but the Greeks are amongst the oldest nations, like it or not. And, of course, if modern Greeks shouldn't be connected with ancient Greeks and consequently with ancient Macedonians, then how modern Slavs could possibly be connected with ancient Macedonians?? Now politics are definitely tricky, but could also get dangerous, considering the territorial claims and the whole nationalistic agenda of the current RoM's government. I understand, as Borza pointed out, that modern Macedonian Slavs who have had no history, need one, but that should not be built by appropriating someone else's history, Greek, Bulgarian, or what ever. Anyway, this debate could go on very long so please let's stop it here. What we are trying to do is to help the improvement of this encyclopaedia, let's do so in good faith. Macedonian (talk) 13:53, 2 February 2012 (UTC)

That's where you're wrong; Greece is not the oldest nation - it is just as young as any other. Yes, Greek history has been documented for long time, but that's a different matter. I don't see how you can seriously think that RoM wishes to invade Greece's territory - with what ? Watermelons ? And the Macedonian Slavs do have a hsitory as long as any people. They were integral parts of Byzantine and Bulgarian Empires, which were always mixed Empires with Greeks, Slavs, Vlachs, etc. Ancient peoples were not "nations" - that is what you have been taught in school, but it is wrong. And Ancient Greek culture was widespread throughut the Mediterranean, many different people adopted Greek names, Greek religion, etc onto their own pre-Greek customs. Similar in Roman times, many different people became Romans, used Roman names, worshipped jupiter, etc. So should Italy now "own' the historical legacy of half of Europe ? The fact that most modern Macedonians now wish to see themselves different to, say Bulgarians or Serbs, doesn;t mean that they are appropriating anybody else's history by also celebrating it as part of their heritage things which happened in Bulgarian or Byzantine times, their ancestors were aprt of those entities which are not owned by any single modern nation. Yes, the RoM government might be antagonizing you, but you guys are being equally petty and stuborn. But I'm not a politician, just interested in history. So I hope that we can work together in Wiki in a civial, maybe even amicable manner Slovenski Volk (talk) 22:38, 2 February 2012 (UTC)

Ok, it seems we turn this talk page into a "Macedonia naming dispute" debate and as I said this could go on way long. Modern Greek state is young, but Greeks are amongst the oldest nations, as for instance Chinese are, and you are clever enough to understand the difference. Just because RoM doesn't have the military force to attack Greece now, does not at all change the fact that they do have territorial claims on Greece. Come on, they brought up since childhood with the fictional idea, and even taught at every school level, that bad Greece occupy their beloved "Aegean Macedonia" since 1913 and therefore they, someday, must have it back. Of’ course they can't, but that doesn't mean they don't want to, and you know very well what I am talking about. Using Rome and Italy is an unfortunate example, when on earth did I claim that Greece should own anyone's historical legacy?? Of course Greece doesn’t claim anyone’s legacy; this would be at least funny. It's the RoM who does such a thing; it’s the RoM who wants to connect its Slavic heritage and to identify itself with an ancient people, its history and its land, which they, the RoM, never had an actual connection with. Even the land which RoM occupies was never ancient Macedonia, except for a narrow strip on the south of the modern country! Yes, the Macedonian Slavs do have a history, but certainly ancient Macedonia as they claim it is not part of it. It's like claiming that Serbs and their history are Illyrian just because they settled on Illyrian lands, and Europeans are Aborigines because they inhabited Australia or Native Americans because they inhabited Native American lands, claiming the history and culture of those people as their own! Just think, what if Serbs start calling themselves "Illyrians", Europeans in Australia "Aborigines" and in the USA "Native Americans"? Now that would be funny! Anyway, let's hope that your hope will come true. Macedonian (talk) 10:01, 3 February 2012 (UTC)

Just saw this - the 'oldest nations' (ethnicity) would be just about everyone by 4000 B.C. The oldest documented self-aware nations would be the Egyptians, the Sumerians, the Akkadians, and those who peopled the Zagros mountains. After that we would be talking about the Indus River Valley civilization, China, and the Anatolian peoples. Mycenae comes somewhat later. 104.169.18.4 (talk) 23:43, 28 February 2018 (UTC)

Vandalism warnings

I'm curious why you are issuing warnings on my vandalism reverts? (see history of e.g. Pyrros Dimas & Globe Theatre) Denisarona (talk) 07:48, 8 February 2012 (UTC)

I'm sorry, I know it's awkward. It's just edit conflict and I notice it is just after I gave the warning. Apparently we both revert vandalisms at the same time and give warnings right after, but as the system just accepts the first revert, even if the difference between the two are milliseconds, the warning is still issued. Macedonian (talk) 07:53, 8 February 2012 (UTC)

I usually check the history after rollback to make certain it was my revert, before issuing warnings. Thanks for responding & keep up the good anti-vandalism work. Denisarona (talk) 08:00, 8 February 2012 (UTC)

I will do that after warnings as well. Thanks a lot, you too! Macedonian (talk) 08:03, 8 February 2012 (UTC)

Vandalism on Article about Methodism in the Philippines

What is happening to the article Methodism? One portion is being mutilated. Please we need your help. Can we do something? I tried to undo but they tried hard to continue. MRRufino (talk) 08:57, 8 February 2012 (UTC)

It looks ok for now, will take a better look when have some time. Macedonian (talk) 10:39, 8 February 2012 (UTC)

Hi Macedonian. I'm quite concerned about a lot of revisions happening in Methodism particularly that part of History of methodism in the Philippines. Edits contained vandalism and inappropriate language and citing some insults, in the other group. If my opinion counts, that would be a kind of discrimination. Isn't it? Are allowing it in Wikipedia?

Thanks. Christian Eilers (talk) 12:56, 8 February 2012 (UTC)

I'm afraid I can't help much there since I don't know much on the subject, but what has to be done is to provide reliable sources for every unreferenced controversial claim in the article. Macedonian (talk) 07:25, 9 February 2012 (UTC)

κοιτα χαλια

πως δυνανται να το κανουν αυτο? πλεον μιλαμε για νομικα ζητηματα κατα του σαιτ αυτου. διοτι δε μπορεις να πλασαρεσαι ως wikipedia που ζηταει δωρεες καθε χρονι κι απ'την αλλη να εχεις τοσο εξωφρενικα ανιδεους λομπιστες διαχειριστες! εδω εγραψα χθες και ακριβη ψυχρη προταση γιατί με μπλοκαραν παραλογα,και απλα τη διεγραψαν! User_talk:Frizstyler — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.70.126.30 (talk) 16:25, 14 April 2012 (UTC)

Καταλαβαινω την απογοητευση σου (τα'χω περασει κι εγω αυτα) αλλα μην το βαζεις κατω... Πρεπει να θυμομαστε πως η wikipedia ειναι εγκυκλοπαιδεια ελεύθερου περιεχομένου της οποιας μια απο τις βασικες αρχες ειναι η ουδετερότητα, δηλαδη ολα τα λήμματα πρέπει να γράφονται από ουδέτερη οπτική γωνία (WP:NPOV). Το περιεχόμενό της wikipedia μπορεί να διαμορφωθεί ελευθερα από τον οποιονδήποτε, συμφωνα πάντα με την πολιτική της την οποια διαχειρίζεται η ίδια η κοινοτητα από την οποία αποτελείται (οι χρήστες της δηλαδή). Οι αποφάσεις αυτης της πολιτικης αλλά και η πρακτική εφαρμογή αυτών βασιζεται στη συναίνεση των χρηστών, και καπως ετσι φτασαμε στην πολιτικη Wikipedia:Naming conventions (Macedonia) η οποια σαφεστατα δεν ευνοει την ελληνικη θεση στο ζητημα... Θυμησου ομως πως αυτη ειναι η αγγλική wikipedia και μπορεί να παρουσιάζει βρετανική/αμερικανική μεροληψία, οπως η γαλλική βικιπαίδεια να παρουσιάζει γαλλική μεροληψία, κλπ. Οσο για τους διαχειριστες, αν και υποκεινται σε κανόνες, ως ανθρωποι προφανως εχουν αντιπαθειες και συμπάθειες. Κι εφοσον όλα τα λήμματα γράφονται από ανθρώπους, η απολυτη απροκαταληψια ειναι μαλλον αδύνατη, καθώς οι άνθρωποι είναι εγγενώς προκατειλημμένοι. Οπως και να 'χει οφειλουμε ως μελη αυτης της κοινότητας να υπακουμε στους κανονες της, ενας εκ των οποιων ειναι η παρουσίαση αντιτιθέμενων απόψεων χωρίς ομως να επιβάλλονται. Παρακαλω διάβασε το Policies and guidelines, κι ελπιζω να επιστρεψεις εποικοδομητικότερα. Macedonian (talk) 04:52, 15 April 2012 (UTC)

ναι οκ τα εχω δει ολα αυτα το θεμα ειναι οτι πανω που μπορουσα ν'ασχοληθω κι ειχα τα επιχειρηματα ετοιμα για το talk,ερχονται διαφοροι και σαν δικηγοροι μου επιρριπτουν κατηγοριες(στις οποιες και απαντησα οταν ζητησα ξεμπλοκαρισμα αλλα τον μποινγκ δεν τον ενδιεφερε) οποτε με εχουν πλεον εκνευρισει απιστευτα. λεω ομως να το αφησω-να φαινονται και οι βλακειες που ελεγαν στη σελιδα μου-,εφοσον αλλοι Ελληνες εχετε διατυπωσει αυτα τα επιχειρηματα(απλα φαινεται να μην υπαρχουν πουθενα,μαλλον επειδη ο ταηβο εχει τη συνηθεια να σβηνει απευθειας οτι λεγομενο δεν τον συμφερει και αν τολμησεις να το επαναφερεις να σε κατηγορουν για edit war)--94.70.112.82 (talk) 08:07, 16 April 2012 (UTC)

A kitten for you!

thank you for the warning but I didn't make changes or (vandalize) so I started an account. I love wiki It's giving me the education I can't afford in our failing economic climate. so here is a kitten!

TheEnd413 (talk) 20:42, 11 May 2012 (UTC)

Thanks, I like cats! Macedonian, a Greek. (talk) 09:53, 25 June 2012 (UTC)

"Macedonian Prayer" Video

I would like to ask you for a favor. First, thanks for improving my article on that video. Since, however, I am not authorized to place video (*ogg) files as a junior user, I would kindly ask you to place it there. If you give me "go ahead" I will make a Wikipedia software compatible video file representing that "pearl" of FYROM's cinematography. I think it would make the page more interesting. Again, as only an avid user has made enough contribution in order to add files, I hope we'll agree. My email is: plamenom [at] gmail.com . — Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.158.180.25 (talk) 09:06, 30 May 2012 (UTC)

Καλησπέρα Μακεδόνα

Καλησπέρα,

θα ήθελα τη βοήθεια σου σε ένα θέμα. Στο άρθρο Alexander the Great στη σελίδα της συζήτησης γίνεται προσπάθεια να γραφεί το όνομα του Μέγα Αλέξανδρου στη γλώσσα του FYROM δίπλα απο την ελληινική, υποστηρίζοντας ότι ήταν βασιλεύς του αρχαίου Μακεδονικού βασιλείου που σήμερα είναι, όπως υποστηρίζει, τα Σκόπια. Συγκεκριμένα αναφέρει

i would like to edit where Alexander the Great was the king of Macedon now know as Macedonia and a macedonian translation of his name Bacondevil8 (talk) 14:38, 7 June 2012 (UTC)

Μην αφήσεις κάτι τέτοιο να συμβεί. Υποστήριξε ότι το όνομα γράφετε στα ελληνικά διότι αυτή ήταν η αυθεντική μορφή του ονόματος του, στα ελληνικά. Το πώς το αναφέρει ο κάθε λαός στη γλώσσα του δεν είναι σημαντικό για το άρθρο.

Ευχαριστώ — Preceding unsigned comment added by Br shadow (talk • contribs) 10:43, 24 June 2012 (UTC)

Οπως και να'χει ειναι ασχετο, και οπως βλεπω το αιτημα εχει αρνηθει ηδη. Macedonian, a Greek. (talk) 09:52, 25 June 2012 (UTC)

Αλυτρωτική συμπεριφορά - No needed analysις of a name into another Greek article

• αναστροφή και άσχετη ανάλυση υπέρ της τουρκίας
• Καλησπέρα φίλε μπορείς να επέμβεις και να διορθώσεις μια κατάφορη παραβίαση των κανόνων της εγκυκλοπαίδειας παρακαλώ Ο συγκεκριμένος χρήστης έχοντας την ανοχή του παλαιού χρήστη συνεχίζει να αναλύει το όνομα του επταπυργίου σε ένα άσχετο άρθρο παραβαίνοντας το w.p., προφανώς είναι αλυτρωτική τουρκολαγνική συμπεριφορά. Περιμένω κάποια αντινμετώπισή σου. Ευχαριστώ --Πασχαλινό (talk) 23:52, 30 July 2012 (UTC)

Albanian Nationalsm

Hello Macedonian! You sent me a message about Albanian Nationalism I am a beginner editor in Wikipedia, so i didn't know where to explain why i deleted these sentences. I was looking for a place where i could explain but I didn't found anyone. Thanks for showing me "edit summary", next time i will use it. (The reason of deleting these lines was because i am a student and i have never seen such kind of things in my books.) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Empirefantasy (talk • contribs) 13:57, 4 November 2012 (UTC)

What's up that you don't accept the edit that I make in [[11]]?

Apologising, the warning should be for unreferenced edit. You may add it again, providing a reliable source. Thanks, Macedonian, a Greek (talk) 18:41, 14 November 2012 (UTC)

I already told in summary that I am a student and in Albania who learn with Albanian books and I have never seen that Aristotle and the Great Alexander are Albanians. It is mentioned that Aristotle was from Greece while Alexander was from Macedonia. Why you are against that? I have the proof in my hands. While other sources are doesn't show a proof like mine. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Empirefantasy (talk • contribs) 13:38, 19 November 2012 (UTC)

Unfortunately but just your claim isn't enough for wikipedia and since there is a source that supports the opposite, we have to go with it. Macedonian, a Greek (talk) 14:45, 19 November 2012 (UTC)

You mean there needs to be a link to the source? If it is so i can capture a photo from history book. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Empirefantasy (talk • contribs) 19:31, 22 November 2012 (UTC)

Slavic speakers of Greece

Hello Macedonian!

I still don't understand your view point, especially for your rv on my edit in Macedonians(Ethnic Group). In my opinion the article about Slavic Speakers of Greece is incomplete. One of the easiest things to do was at least to write from which ethnic group are these people. There is not enough information about the Bulgarians in Greece, but I don't see what other ethnic identity they could adopt apart from Bulgarian or nowadays Macedonian. I see you don't agree with that and I would be happy if you tell me why. Proudbulgarian (talk) 18:34, 6 November 2012 (UTC)

Hello there! The problem is with the source you providing. Please see Wikipedia:Identifying reliable sources for more. Thanks and welcome! Macedonian, a Greek (talk) 07:27, 7 November 2012 (UTC)

Undue warning

I saw you warned an IP user for "vandalism" in the Cyprus dispute article. A simple look at the article shows there is a content dispute between the two of you but nothing on the part of the IP user that could be labelled as "vandalism". Therefore please refrain from intimidating new users with flawed vandalism claims... --E4024 (talk) 11:19, 12 November 2012 (UTC)

That was done out of hurry, thanks for the notice. Macedonian, a Greek (talk) 11:22, 12 November 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for recognising your error. I just saw you removed Kardak from the List of Turkish islands. This is another "hurried" edit. I see that the islets are also in the List of Greek islands with their Greek name. As both lists have WLs to the same Imia/Kardak article, anyone that reads any of these two articles can easily see that the said twin islets are "disputed". For me they should be in both lists, as they have been notable due to the dispute. Unilateral attitudes like this (come from whichever user) are those I call "chauvenist" and only serve to create unnecessary edit wars in WP and harm its objectivity. In case while you hurried when you made that recent edit, you may revert yourself doing a good deed for WP. All the best. (Note: This is not a warning, due or undue.) --E4024 (talk) 18:41, 28 November 2012 (UTC)

Don't rush into conclusions, see for instance here, where I placed them under Disputed section and not under Greece. I reverted my self, didn't know they are listed in List of islands of Greece, so let's keep it this way for now. I'm wondering though how come you didn't call this edit "chauvinist"... Macedonian, a Greek (talk) 19:07, 28 November 2012 (UTC)

Thank you very much for taking my advice. I had worked on the Turkish islands article and probably visited once (it was not even in my watchlist) before today the Greek islands list. The other one (Mediterranean islands) I heard of only from you minutes ago and just visited before writing the present note to see what you were referring to. All the best. --E4024 (talk) 19:23, 28 November 2012 (UTC)

Actually I was concerned about Wikipedia:Etiquette more than taking your advice. :) However, best to you too! Macedonian, a Greek (talk) 20:17, 28 November 2012 (UTC)

Modern Greek

I changed back your revert on modern Greek page. The term "Modern Greek" is a essentially a colloquialism. While demotic is by far the most popular form it still only represents one of several Greek dialects (that includes Tsakonian which is substantially different than Demotic). In addition there is no clean lines between the modern term "modern Greek" and earlier forms of Greek language. It's a rather artificial distinction. Where I would say a major distinction exists is pre-Phoneician Greek linear B. (which would be completely unintelligible to a modern Greek speaker) Linear B form of Greek would be more analogous to say modern English versus old english (which uses a Runic alphabet)

That said, the wording of last editor was rather vague. I have no problem if its reworded as long as the point is mentioned somewhere near the beginning of the article to make it clearer that modern, middle age, and ancient forms of Greek are closely related and slowly evolved from one other (rather than purely modern inventions). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.212.205.245 (talk) 00:05, 18 November 2012 (UTC)

I add back "dialects" and a link to the "varieties" article. However even if there is a unity of the language, the rest of the sentence is correct since indeed modern features of the language can be found in Classical Greek and to some extend in Archaic Greek but of course less and less as we go back in time. Macedonian, a Greek (talk) 08:55, 18 November 2012 (UTC)

Removal of personal attacks

But see WP:RPA: "On other talk pages, especially where such text is directed against you, removal should typically be limited to clear-cut cases where it is obvious the text is a true personal attack. The (Personal attack removed) template can be used for this purpose."

The gray areas in policy notwithstanding, I think users should refrain from removing personal attacks from all but their own user talk pages, as the cans of worms it opens up are just not worth it. Best to bring the other user around to understanding the nature of their conduct and have them apologize and voluntarily withdraw their comments by striking them through. Daniel Case (talk) 19:33, 22 November 2012 (UTC)

Thanks, I'll try this next time something similar occur. Macedonian, a Greek (talk) 19:39, 22 November 2012 (UTC)

Have a Turkish tea

Here: Turkish Tea Culture. Enjoy it. Best. --E4024 (talk) 20:19, 28 November 2012 (UTC)

Thanks, let's share it while listening to this traditional Greek song from Asia Minor and watching the postcards from good old Smyrna. Macedonian, a Greek (talk) 20:56, 28 November 2012 (UTC)

Origin of the Wisdom of the Golden Rule

Confucius: "Do NOT do unto others, what you would Not like them do to you."   

The negative presence in the sentence represents the ancient wisdom Confucius and other Thinkers speak about as the correct behaviour. Judaism: "Do not do unto others, what you would not have them do to you." did/does understand and copied the correct meaning. unsourced Christianity: "Do to others as you would have them do to you". Luke 6:31 "And as ye would that men should do to you, do ye also to them likewise." did/does Not comprehend the wisdom and as such deforms the true meaning.

From the Latin essentia < essent- , present participle of esse "be" -- in essence fundamentally or intrinsically -- the word "Not" is of the essence of the highest importance for achieving the true meaning. The absence of the negative in the sentence doesn't make it a positive. The sentence, unfortunately, is made void of its real essence/the spirit, the spark that gives it the meaning of the wisdom and knowledge it conveys. It is not a matter of positive and negative it is a matter of transmission of wisdom. There is no positive. The deficiency of the negative in the original sentence of Confucius produces a totally, completely different meaning and corrupts, perverts, deforms its original meaning.

The Lunyu or The Analects as the embodiment of Confucian ideas assists to explore why Confucius believed that the welfare of a people depends on the cultivation of its people, beginning with the nation's leadership. The primary goal of education is to produce ethically well-cultivated people who would carry themselves with gravity, speak correctly and demonstrate integrity in all things.
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Dear Macedon, In view of the many shapes and colours around this ancient quote which Wikipedia presents as a "Golden Rule" in Yo Yo motion between positive and negative, the above mentioned text was made as an addition to present clarity. You marked it as "unsourced" while it is fully well explained in the Lunyu. It is a disservice to make a positive out of a negative when there is no positive or negative to begin with. However, you are the expert in Etymology and History whether the true origin ought to be part of the total presentation. I merely brought it to your attention, its importance to include it in total presentation so as to give the reader a complete knowledge of the true origin. The Fact remains, there just isn't a "positive" nor "negative" to the quote that belongs to Confucius. Personally, I think it is important to be objective, neutral with respect to its origins. Best Wishes.LostLanguages (talk) 00:39, 3 December 2012 (UTC)

Hi LostLanguages. You just need to cite a source for your claim in accordance with wikipedia's policy. Best. Macedonian, a Greek (talk) 06:08, 3 December 2012 (UTC)

Hello Macedonian, Thank you for your reply. I'll try one last time and hope this will satisfy your requirements. Best Regards.LostLanguages (talk) 10:30, 3 December 2012 (UTC)

Pomaks

In the section "History" where the Bulgarian origin version is presented you cannot talk about "pomaks" in the context of the 17-th century as that term is of much later origin( late 19th century ). Bulgarian folk memory is of forced or coerced conversion of local the Bulgarian population and us such using the term "pomaks" in that context is erroneous. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 184.189.222.31 (talk) 21:33, 2 December 2012 (UTC)

Can you please cite a source for your claim? Thanks! Macedonian, a Greek (talk) 06:11, 3 December 2012 (UTC)

I dont Understand

	I dont Understand
	What authority over me do you have. Well let me say something else. I dont understand about my edit on catapult. I thought mine was constructed well. pls explain Bossross1999 (talk) 14:14, 5 December 2012 (UTC)

Catapult Entry

I don't understand how my edit on catapult was not properly constructed. I worked to help people that speak English and then I find out I wasted my time. Please EXPLAIN why you deleted my hard work. Thanks, Bossross — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bossross1999 (talk • contribs) 14:40, 5 December 2012 (UTC)

Because your "hard work" was unreferenced. Please see Wikipedia:Verifiability for more. Thanks! Macedonian, a Greek (talk) 20:50, 5 December 2012 (UTC)

Gymnophobia

Hello, Macedonian. As you can tell, I'm not usually much of an editor. I only make changes or additions when I feel an important detail has been omitted or improperly handled. In the case of Gymnophobia, it was worthwhile to include a reference to David Cross' Arrested Development character Tobias Funke because he remains the only significant gymnophobic character portrayed in the mass media. Would it have been more appropriate to create a "Gymnophobia in Popular Culture" section? Please reconsider his relevance to the subject. Thanks, c — Preceding unsigned comment added by 184.180.13.34 (talk) 18:59, 10 December 2012 (UTC)

Hello there. I reverted you because Tobias Funke is irrelevant for the "See also section". However a "Gymnophobia in Popular Culture" section sounds a good idea. Macedonian, a Greek (talk) 20:00, 10 December 2012 (UTC)

Minorities in Greece

I am writing to you in respect to my last edits of the page "Minorities in Greece". You didn't provide any reason for reverting the edits. My first two edits were just putting some previously added links to appropriate place in the text. The links were pointing to the webpage of the political party "rainbow" mentioned in the text and a local Greek newspaper published by the ethnic Macedonian minority in Greece. My second edit was about a citation in the paragraph regarding Slavic-speaking people. I read the given sources carefully and the claims there were different than their interpretation. Therefore, if someone wants to add the information in those sources should rewrite that sentence and provide a quote proving his interpretation. (ДАБ (talk) 18:25, 11 December 2012 (UTC))

Hello there. I reverted you because you added unreliable sources while you deleted reliable sourced material. Please see WP:RS for more. Thanks. Macedonian, a Greek (talk) 18:47, 11 December 2012 (UTC)

We agree that the sources in the sentence that I deleted are more or less reliable, but not their interpretation. You should read at least the 4th paragraph on page 142 in Minorities in Greece: Aspects of a Plural Society by Karakasidou (one of those sources).

It says that "it took several generations for the Greek language and Greek national conscious to take hold among Slavic-speaking population of Greek Macedonia." The source further says that at the beginning only a few people redirected their identity and only after free higher education was offered that the assimilationist goals of the Greek system achieved its goal. This was achieved also with the "'removal' of the most 'fanatic Slavs' from the area, leaving few options to those Slavic-speakers that remained".

The paragraph then concludes: "the vast majority of the Slavic-speaking (and formerly Slavic-speaking) population identify themselves with the Greek national collectivity". The text does not mention that these people identify as ethnic Greeks (as it is interpreted in the sentence I deleted), but as having Greek nationality which is far from equal.

I can go on like this with other parts of the text. Please don't say thanks to me anymore as your ignorant reverts are far from thankful for my lost time. I will now correct the wording in the mentioned sentence instead of deleting it as before, and I wont accept to be a victim of your ignorant reverts.

I explained why I reverted and as I can see in the article's talkpage the issue has been resolved. Please consider civility. Macedonian, a Greek (talk) 21:41, 19 December 2012 (UTC)

Philip T. Reeker

This is a final warning: do not restore the BLP-violating content to Philip T. Reeker. I am going to remove it once more now; if you restore it, you will be reported to WP:AE for a topic ban. Fut.Perf. ☼ 21:01, 11 December 2012 (UTC)

How exactly is it a BLP violation? Macedonian, a Greek (talk) 21:02, 11 December 2012 (UTC)

The bit you added here [12] was a rather blatant violation because it was a crass distortion of the actual source. Nowhere in that speech is there any suggestion of a link to the irridentist concept of "United Macedonia"; he is obviously using "united" in the sense of "internally at peace". The other bit, which you have been edit-warring about for almost a year, is a BLP violation because there is no source linking his singing of the song with the accusation of nationalism except for the opinion piece by a lobbying group, which is not a reliable source for a BLP matter like this. Fut.Perf. ☼ 21:07, 11 December 2012 (UTC)

His statement on that first bit is hard to interpret, I agree, and I just read BLP in detail, thanks for let me know. However, he did sing that nationalistic song. Macedonian, a Greek (talk) 21:31, 11 December 2012 (UTC)

There is nothing "hard to interpret" about it at all. Your misreading of it is inexplicable. Fut.Perf. ☼ 21:39, 11 December 2012 (UTC)

I guess I must have got distracted by his singing... Macedonian, a Greek (talk) 07:44, 12 December 2012 (UTC)

Asia topic

As a participant of the discussion Talk:Palestine#Requested_move regarding naming change of the page Palestine, you might be interested in discussion Template talk:Asia topic#State of Palestine on changing the redirection target of "Palestine" from "Palestinian territories" to "State of Palestine" at Template:Asia topic. Thank you.Greyshark09 (talk) 22:58, 5 January 2013 (UTC)

Onomastics

Hello, Macedonian, Thak you for your message. I do understand you deleted my link. I must confess that I am a new user here. Could you please explain why? Do you mean that my blog is to specific and narrow? In this case why you haven't deleted the link of NamSor Software? thank you

Evgenius (Onomast) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Onomast (talk • contribs) 15:27, 27 January 2013 (UTC)

Hi Onomast. Although your link is very interesting it had to me removed in accordance to wikipedia's policy, please see Wikipedia:External links#Links normally to be avoided for more. Of course I've deleted NamSor Software link as well, right after yours, see article's revision history. Since you are a new user I will post this on your talk page as well, together with a useful template. Macedonian, a Greek (talk) 18:55, 27 January 2013 (UTC)

Edit warring

You currently appear to be engaged in edit wars according to the reverts you have made on Irredentism and United Macedonia. Users are expected to collaborate with others, to avoid editing disruptively, and to try to reach a consensus rather than repeatedly undoing other users' edits once it is known that there is a disagreement.

Please be particularly aware, Wikipedia's policy on edit warring states:

1. Edit warring is disruptive regardless of how many reverts you have made; that is to say, editors are not automatically "entitled" to three reverts.
2. Do not edit war even if you believe you are right.

If you find yourself in an editing dispute, use the article's talk page to discuss controversial changes; work towards a version that represents consensus among editors. You can post a request for help at an appropriate noticeboard or seek dispute resolution. In some cases it may be appropriate to request temporary page protection. If you engage in an edit war, you may be blocked from editing. JamesBWatson (talk) 10:59, 28 January 2013 (UTC)

I'm aware on the issue, thanks anyway. Macedonian, a Greek (talk) 11:02, 28 January 2013 (UTC)

Quick reply

Hi Macedonian. Just following up on your revision on Delta (letter). Can you let me know why it wasn't constructive? Thanks! User:OutreachService

Perhaps because there is no such place as "Asundria"? Macedonian, a Greek (talk) 14:17, 30 January 2013 (UTC)

It's a tribal region: https://maps.google.com/maps?q=Asundria. The symbol on the local coinage is definitely the Greek delta. I understand your concern, though. Since it's such a rare currency and as per WP:NOR I'll find a good citation before submitting it again. Thanks. User:OutreachService —Preceding undated comment added 04:05, 31 January 2013 (UTC)

Well, this is most likely a fictional place. Macedonian (talk) 06:34, 31 January 2013 (UTC)

replied

Hey Macedonian, I replied to your message on my talk page. Peace, delldot ∇. 03:38, 31 January 2013 (UTC)

Notice

Hi Macedonian. I undid your last revision on List of indigenous peoples of Brazil. Let me know on my talk page if you'd like to discuss. Thanks! - User:OutreachService

Hi OutreachService, I revert you again, see article's talk page for more. Macedonian, a Greek (talk) 15:23, 1 February 2013 (UTC)

Edits

Please accept my apology, it was uncalled for, and I take it back

However, I ask of you, next time you might have an issue with an edit which is otherwise NPOV, academically sound (merely summarizing what had already been written in the paragraph) and in good-faith; dont fell the need to mass-revert it - because that will be taken as bad faith - but merely highlight that references, clarification, or whatever else is needed - because that is what a polite editor would do; and I m sure you'll then find people responding very well to you. Slovenski Volk (talk) 23:37, 9 February 2013 (UTC)

Slovenski, I just followed WP:NOR and if you had come up with sources on the first edit, I wouldn't have reverted you. The fact is that it's not the first time you made a personal attack against me; I will accept your apology, although I'm not convinced it's a honest one. Btw, weren't you banned from all articles and discussions related to ARBMAC? Macedonian (talk) 00:13, 10 February 2013 (UTC)

Well, you well know it was not OR if you'd actually read the rest of the preceding article. A simple cite-ref tag is all that's required, esp given that you know the editor is not a random troll. But instead, typical of your fashion, you mass-delete anything which doesn;t sit well with the reality you have created in your absurd personal page. If you call people FYROMians and Bulgaro-Serbians , then i'd wonder how'd you'd like being called a "Greek-speaking Turk who wishes he's a real Macedonian", or something else absurd like that, as some extreme Macedonian nationalists claim) Anyhow, I thought my restrictions were related to Macedonian history , naming dispute, etc. I didn;t understand it as language also. I will double check and remove the edit, then, if this is the case. Slovenski Volk (talk) 02:38, 10 February 2013 (UTC)

Oh, please! FYROM is the abbreviation for the "former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia" and it's the United Nations reference, nothing wrong with that what so ever! As for "Bulgaro-Serbian" is a term that describes the Bulgarian and Serbian elements of the Macedonian language (read Macedonian language article for more), and I never use that term for the people as you claim, of course you paraphrased my words. The fact is that you did break ARBMAC and you shouldn't have made that edit on the first place. Macedonian (talk) 07:34, 10 February 2013 (UTC)

Fair enough; and not for long- especially with the current tide of European opinion. Anyway, it doesn't matter what we think. I personally am a "Serbo-Bulgarian" (as you call it) Unionist, do not agree with what the RoM government is doing, etc. (Heck, even bring back the Byzantine Emire, i say) However, appparently, the people have spoken. I just want articles to be neutral , up-to-date and academically sound. If my summary breaches the terms of Arbcom, then I'll happily remove, which I have already sone. Slovenski Volk (talk) 07:46, 10 February 2013 (UTC)

You paraphrasing my words again, I don't call people "Serbo-Bulgarian" or "Bulgaro-Serbian", that was a term to describe what elements Macedonian language is made up with. Anyway, fair enough then. Macedonian (talk) 07:51, 10 February 2013 (UTC)

OK then ! Again, sorry for the insult; I shall watch my Balkan temper, and you should assume good faith more. BTW: of course, you can call yourself whatever you want, and wish you all the best, however, I have a few mates (including my brother's godmother) who are Greeks from Thessaloniki and its environs, and every single one of the calls themselves a Greek, and not Macedonian, or even Greek Macedonian. At least in the western world, everyone knows what a Macedonian is and what a Greek is. Seems to me only a few people really have an issue with the whole "name" thing. Slovenski Volk (talk) 07:57, 10 February 2013 (UTC)

Ahh! This "Balkan temper"... I'm never like that in my life and I really don't like it if others behave this way, and civility is a strong policy in wikipedia... Moreover, I asked you before for civility[13]... However: "Greek" is a national reference and "Macedonian" is a regional reference for Greeks, just as "Cretan", "Peloponnesian", "Athenean", "Epirotan" and so on are, and you know very well what I'm talking about if you have mates in Greece. Anyway, let's don't start a Macedonian naming dispute here as we did a few months ago :). Macedonian (talk) 08:30, 10 February 2013 (UTC)

Goodluck :) Slovenski Volk (talk) 09:29, 10 February 2013 (UTC)

Thanks, you too. Macedonian (talk) 10:34, 10 February 2013 (UTC)

My edit on "Demon"

Hi Macedonian. I did not revert your reversion of my edit, but I left a comment on the talk page of "Demon." I leave it to you to make the judgment call. Sincerely,

108.215.108.72 (talk) 21:55, 12 February 2013 (UTC)

Hi there. I believe User:Ian.thomson gave a good explanation. Macedonian (talk) 06:52, 14 February 2013 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of David Holton

Hello Macedonian,

I wanted to let you know that I just tagged David Holton for deletion, because the article doesn't clearly say why the subject is important enough to be included in an encyclopedia.

If you feel that the article shouldn't be deleted and want more time to work on it, you can contest this deletion, but please don't remove the speedy deletion tag from the top.

You can leave a note on my talk page if you have questions. Thanks, Anir1uph | talk | contrib 00:46, 24 February 2013 (UTC)

Hi there, I assume everything is ok now? Macedonian (talk) 14:54, 25 February 2013 (UTC)

Question on names of ancient cities in the Greek language

I noticed you fixed the transliteration of the the Greek names of Cumae, so I thought you might be able to answer this question of mine. Currently the page uses Template:Lang-grc in the intro (first it simply wikilinked Ancient Greek without the template before my edits), which is supposed to be used only for Ancient Greek. I assumed this was correct because Ancient Greek was used at the time the city was named. However, there also is Template:Lang-grc-gre which says it is supposed to be used for names and Greek words which didn't change through Ancient to Modern Greek.

Has Cumae's Greek name remained unchanged since Ancient Greek? Is this also the case for every other Greek name for ancient cities (it seems not to be for Dodona)? What is your take on the templates, shall I use Template:Lang-grc-gre instead of Template:Lang-grc in Cumae? --AlexanderVanLoon (talk) 10:47, 3 March 2013 (UTC)

Hi there. Template:Lang-grc is the correct one here, the name hasn't changed since Ancient Greek. Template:Lang-grc-gre should be used for words that can't be covered by Template:Lang-grc, such as words from Koine or Medieval Greek, or neologisms from Ancient Greek. As for Dōdṓnā, this is the Doric form of the word, while modern Greek uses the Attic Koine form Dōdṓnē (as for instance Spárta - Spártē). Macedonian, a Greek (talk) 16:46, 3 March 2013 (UTC)

Invitation to WikiProject Breakfast

Hello, Macedonian. You are invited to join WikiProject Breakfast, a WikiProject and resource dedicated to improving Wikipedia's coverage of breakfast-related topics. To join the project, just add your name to the member list. Northamerica1000(talk) 17:08, 6 April 2013 (UTC)

Kastellorizo

The entire page is fabricated. There is less said on the Rhodes page which deserves far more to be said historically, culturally than this island. All reasons for my edits are on the talk page for the article. Read them before you revert again. Biased POV author who comes as an immigrant from the island without history qualifications is the primary source of the fabricated history of the island. Also the island is not allowed to have an official flag, no island is allowed in Greece. The fact it has some masonic logo is ridiculous. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ephestion (talk • contribs) 20:01, 20 January 2014 (UTC)

I'll have a better look on it when I have some free time. Macedonian, a Greek (talk) 12:17, 21 January 2014 (UTC)

Just had a look on the article, looks like FutPerf tidied it up a bit. Macedonian, a Greek (talk) 12:26, 21 January 2014 (UTC)

Thank You

Hi Macedonian. I am new here so please excuse me if I don't follow protocol. I am however learning fast :) - I thank you for all that you do. Thank you for the cookie. Na'sai kala... --Vergiotisa (talk) 08:10, 21 January 2014 (UTC)

Welcome, Vergiotisa. Feel free to ask if you have any questions, I'll be glad to help. Macedonian, a Greek (talk) 12:14, 21 January 2014 (UTC)

Reference Errors on 4 February

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Thanks bot, it's fixed. Macedonian, a Greek (talk) 15:18, 6 February 2014 (UTC)

Help with Expansionist Map

Hi again Macedonian. I was wondering if I can enlist your help to delete this expansionist map South Slavic Expansionist Map. The claim is that it's a flag map that shows an irredentistic point of view like many others like it. The reality is that this is not an irridentist map this is an expansionist map of an unrelated slavic people in an unrelated land illegally using a national symbol of Greece to push a POV for an expansionist agenda. It violates many convenants on many levels. Deletion is therefore more than justified both legally and academically. As I am new here I have no idea how to go about this and I was hoping that you would be kind enough to guide me. Thank you for your time --Vergiotisa (talk) 01:39, 6 February 2014 (UTC)

This is a blatant nationalist effort to promote Macedonian nationalism, but I don't have a Commons account and I don't know what is their policy on such issues... Macedonian, a Greek (talk) 15:16, 6 February 2014 (UTC)

I believe it is a blatant nationalist effort to promote South Slavic expansionism and nation building. Thank you for your help --Vergiotisa (talk) 15:48, 6 February 2014 (UTC)

Some baklava for you!

I just worked out how to get these :) and since I appreciate what you do in wiki, you are 'it' as the recipient. Να'σαι καλα... Vergiotisa (talk) 06:02, 7 February 2014 (UTC)

Yummy! Thanks a lot, Vergiotisa! :) Macedonian, a Greek (talk) 07:29, 7 February 2014 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of Small Greek Domestic Dog

The article Small Greek Domestic Dog has been proposed for deletion because of the following concern:

Seems to be made up. While there are sources (mostly NOT cited here) for the existence of the large historical breed (the Meliteo Kinidio or Kokoni, nothing but an unreliable dog blog site suggests that this smaller breed even exists, much less has such an implausible name as "Small Greed Domestic Dog". I'm calling WP:BOLLOCKS on this.

While all constructive contributions to Wikipedia are appreciated, content or articles may be deleted for any of several reasons.

You may prevent the proposed deletion by removing the {{proposed deletion/dated}} notice, but please explain why in your edit summary or on the article's talk page.

Please consider improving the article to address the issues raised. Removing {{proposed deletion/dated}} will stop the proposed deletion process, but other deletion processes exist. In particular, the speedy deletion process can result in deletion without discussion, and articles for deletion allows discussion to reach consensus for deletion.  — SMcCandlish ☺ ☏ ¢ ≽^ʌⱷ҅_ᴥⱷ^ʌ≼  23:36, 4 June 2014 (UTC)

Etymologies

Hello. Some years ago you used to insert etymologies. Some of them are false [14][15] (see also this discussion). If you are still inserting etymologies please consult proper sources (reliable English and Modern Greek dictionaries) before adding an etymology. Many Katharevousa Greek terms are translations of the corresponding English/Frecnh/German/Latin ones, not the not the other way round. --Omnipaedista (talk) 13:10, 1 July 2014 (UTC)

That's right, a Greek word with derivatives in English is one thing and to coin a word using greek elements is another. I did some mistakes on my early years as a contributor, but I believe they have now being corrected by me and other editors like yourself, which is in my opinion what makes wikipedia fachinating. Macedonian, a Greek (talk) 08:17, 6 January 2015 (UTC)

I just want to add that in most cases Wikipedia articles should not include an etymology in the first sentence of the article. Wikipedia is not a dictionary. Wikipedia articles are about the thing the title describes, not the title itself. The etymology of the article title is irrelevant. In most cases, Wikipedia articles should not include the etymology of the title at all. When it is relevant, it should almost never be in the lede, and should never be inserted into the first sentence where it would interfere with defining what the subject of the article is.--Srleffler (talk) 18:49, 13 December 2014 (UTC)

Happy New Year everyone. Macedonian, a Greek (talk) 08:17, 6 January 2015 (UTC)

Global account

Hi Macedonian! As a Steward I'm involved in the upcoming unification of all accounts organized by the Wikimedia Foundation (see m:Single User Login finalisation announcement). By looking at your account, I realized that you don't have a global account yet. In order to secure your name, I recommend you to create such account on your own by submitting your password on Special:MergeAccount and unifying your local accounts. If you have any problems with doing that or further questions, please don't hesitate to contact me on my talk page. Cheers, —DerHexer (Talk) 16:51, 18 January 2015 (UTC)

Edit war and vandalism to Greece (country) page

Dear Macedonian, please be advised that Future Perfect at Sunrise and Dolescum, using these and several other 'sock puppets' are engaging in an edit war with me, Alexis Gounaris, on the Greece and related pages: they are systematically deleting as many references to Greek Macedonia as possible, with the obvious intention of disassociating this name from Greece and the Greek people. Since an indefinite edit ban on Balkans-related pages has been imposed on me, essentially for maintaining my own edits on the Greece page that refer to Greek Macedonia, I sincerely hope you and other Greek Macedonians can endeavour to ensure that these references remain or are reverted to when maliciously deleted. Thank you. A Gounaris.

Coining the word "hero"

Hello,

Your edit per 05:30, 23 June 2010‎ where you added a claim that the word "hero" entered English in 1387 has been removed during general editing. If you wish to reinstate this claim, please do not forget to add a source or other context, explaining to the reader what happened in this highly specific year. CapnZapp (talk) 11:45, 15 May 2015 (UTC)

Hi, this is the source [16]. Macedonian, a Greek (talk) 17:21, 21 February 2016 (UTC)

Scar work removal

hi Macedonian,

Thanks for your feedback about the scar treatment info that you deleted. It is the first time I have attempted to make an addition to a wiki page, so I really appreciate all feedback in terms of getting it right.

My post was specifically written so as not to be promotional - so I obviously failed! :-( I would value some more info about why it's not considered objective.

I created a generic section about how massage can help scars to heal. Within this I referred to a type of work that i know objectively is effective as a treatment.

Which was the bad part, or were they both bad?

Do I need to include references to other types of scar healing massage to ensure it is considered objective or was there a problem with the references I included?

Do I need to remove information about who pioneered it? I fail to see how I can inform readers it without reference to this but perhaps I'm missing something?

The point about massage helping scars seems no more promotional to me than lasers helping scars - it is objectively recognised by those with knowledge of the area, and a number of people offer this service at a price I assume. However, your removal suggests that one is considered valid but not the other so if you could clarify why, I would be grateful.

I can absolutely understand that there needs to be objectivity. If the external links I provided don't meet these criteria, what qualifies?

At the moment is that there are quite a small group of therapists who offer ScarWork practising worldwide - maybe only 200. However, from those who receive it, and those in allied health professions, there is overwhelming positive feedback.

Maybe it is just too soon to include info about it in wikipedia, but given how many 'maybes' there are in other sections I was surprised it wasn't considered for editing rather than removal completely.

I have seen scars benefit from other kinds of massage too - and there is a general understanding from research that improved circulation, one of the most important outcomes of massage, is beneficial to healing. So even if ScarWork is considered promotional I'm really confused about why we can't say that massage helps scars.

Could you get back to me? Like I say I am a total newbie so apologies for my stupidity about what happens next! Finally I wasn't sure whether to post this on my talk page or yours - I couldn't find the part where it tells me to do this, so I have done both, and apologies for this also, if it is wrong. sarah SarahKNelson (talk) 19:55, 23 February 2016 (UTC)

Hi SarahkNelson, no need to apologise, it's always good to ask. :) All article topics must be verifiable with independent, third-party sources, as you can read in advertising. Verifiability means that anyone using wikipedia can check that the information comes from a reliable source and I doubt that http://www.wheelerfascialwork.com and a youtube video can be considered reliable. Macedonian, a Greek (talk) 20:21, 23 February 2016 (UTC)

Edits on Genocide

I can see why you reverted it back. I just wanted to brighten someones life as they saw that since it was a doctor who reference. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Juliet Moth (talk • contribs) 16:42, 11 March 2016 (UTC)

Your edits were unconstructive. Macedonian, a Greek (talk) 16:48, 11 March 2016 (UTC)

AIV report

Thank you for following up on your AIV report. I agreed with your evaluation and blocked on that basis. Regards, Newyorkbrad (talk) 00:16, 15 March 2016 (UTC)

Thank you. Macedonian, a Greek (talk) 00:17, 15 March 2016 (UTC)

Two things

Hello, I'm writing about the pic you removed from Philip III of Macedon. True, the description does not say that the profile is Philippos', but the Egyptian cartouche on the right does, and according to Jurgen Von Beckerath's Handbuch der Agyptischer Konigsnamen (pp. 232-3), it is known to have been written in that way for Philippos III only. Compare also this picture which surely belongs to him. The only other pharaoh with such a name was the later Roman emperor Philip the Arab but, again according to Von Beckerath (pp. 264-5), his hieroglyphic name was written in a different manner.
Another thing: Since you seem very proficient with the Macedonian topic, I would ask you to join this discussion about Alexandros IV that I've started today. Khruner (talk) 12:19, 17 March 2016 (UTC)

Hi there. You have a point, but, even so, are you sure it doesn't fall under WP:PORTRAIT? Perhaps it's better to move it back to the previous section and add a coin image from that period even if it doesn't depict Philip III himself, as it was before. Macedonian, a Greek (talk) 16:45, 17 March 2016 (UTC)

I guess that - just like the vast majority of pharaonic portraits - it fells into the "Contemporary stylized depictions of individuals" section; I'm more than prone to restore the status quo and reinserting the removed tetradrachma into the infobox too, given that it was presumably minted during his reign. Khruner (talk) 17:13, 17 March 2016 (UTC)

Request

In the article Hijab by country there are constant attempts by registered users and IP users (whom I suspect could be duplicate accounts of one person) to show the illegal entity of "Northern Cyprus" as a separate and legitimate country, and obviously in many other articles, without much ado. I revert it, but they change it back, even including my amended version that show the Turkish Cypriots as a distinct society but as a subsection under the legitimate section of Cyprus. Could you do something about these users and alert them?

Thank you. SednaXV (talk) 10:56, 18 March 2016 (UTC)

Thanks, I'll look it up. Macedonian, a Greek (talk) 11:51, 18 March 2016 (UTC)

Hello. The(se) vandal(s) struck again in the same article. They won't stop. They have a political agenda of putting the illegal entity of "Northern Cyprus" as the "TRNC" in articles. Can you follow these users and stop them and also alert other Greek and Greek Cypriot users? Thank you.

Regards. SednaXV (talk) 09:35, 19 March 2016 (UTC)

March 2016

I don't like to template the regulars, so I'll just request that you please discuss on the talk page rather than continually reverting that IP address. That IP has now gone to ANI, and while I probably expect a WP:BOOMERANG for him, it could bring attention to your reverting as well. Just wanted to give you a heads up. Sergecross73 msg me 12:31, 23 March 2016 (UTC)

Thanks, he is obviously pure WP:DE. Macedonian, a Greek (talk) 12:36, 23 March 2016 (UTC)

Yeah, you're right, and he's already been re-blocked and cleared from ANI, so looks like its all taken care of. Sergecross73 msg me 12:45, 23 March 2016 (UTC)

FYI

Hi Macedonian, I noticed your activity on Pareidolia. In case you're interested, see User talk:GB fan#Block evasion 2001:4C50:19F:9C00:* and the result. Cheers - DVdm (talk) 13:27, 23 March 2016 (UTC)

Thank you, it looks like he is the same person... Well, hope for the best, prepare for the worst. :) Macedonian, a Greek (talk) 13:35, 23 March 2016 (UTC)

Griko people

Kind of lame reverting the removal of an outdated and redundant source, when there is 7 (!) other refs, don't you think? Read Wikipedia:Citation overkill.--Zoupan 12:57, 16 May 2016 (UTC)

Lame?? The source ( William Taylour, "Mycenaean Pottery in Italy and Adjacent Areas", Cambridge ) is an important work on this field of interest, and, once more, it's not that outdated (1958)! Macedonian, a Greek (talk) 13:05, 16 May 2016 (UTC)

Quotation

In one quote you have in your userpage you write that "X quote is from the Roman historian Arrian". I want to correct you (without wanting to offend you) that Arrian (Αρριανός in Greek) was a Greek historian from Nikomidia in northwest Asia Minor and not a Roman. His Roman name is due to the fact that he became Roman citizen. Anyway, I liked your quotations! Greek Macedon (talk) 20:55, 27 July 2016 (UTC)

Arrian was a ROMAN CITIZEN, and is considered "Roman." Just as any of the assimilated peoples were. His ethnicity was never in question. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 104.169.18.4 (talk) 23:31, 28 February 2018 (UTC)

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According to Serbian and few Eastern European Wikis Macedonians were mix of Illyrians and Thracians and some old tribes [17]. Any Comments? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.87.185.49 (talk) 01:38, 13 January 2017 (UTC)

According to them the ancient Macedonians were anything but Greek. :) However the vast majority of primary, secondary and tertiary sources agree more or less on the Greekness of Macedonia. Macedonian (talk) 08:17, 13 January 2017 (UTC)

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Wrong revert

Why you reverted? My changes where correct. "Alexandros" means "defender from men" and not "defender of men". That's sure 100%. I speak greek and The Greek wikipedia has it this way.

Καλησπέρα, μάλλον η σωστή απόδοση της λέξης είναι "αυτός που απωθεί τους άνδρες" αλλά σύμφωνα με την πηγή (Liddell Scott) η σημασία της λέξης είναι "defending men". Macedonian (talk) 19:55, 19 March 2018 (UTC)

Πρέπει τουλάχιστον το θέμα να συζητηθεί.

Ίσως δεν είναι τόσο προφανές όσο νόμισα. βλ. http://users.uoa.gr/~nektar/history/language/giwrgos_mpatzios_onomatwn_episkepsis.htm . Το άρθρο στο link παίρνει θέση υπέρ του "απωθώ τους άντρες", αλλά δεν εξηγεί γιατί αν το αλέξω σημαίνει "προστατεύω κάποιον" και από "προστατεύω από κάποιον", λέμε "αλεξίκακος" ("διώχνω το κακό") και όχι "αλεξίκαλος" (προστατεύω το καλό). Αναφέρω την συγκεκριμένη λέξη επειδή είναι αρχαία, και όχι πρόσφατη/λόγια όπως π.χ. το "αλεξικέραυνο".

Black Athena

Well done, I see you added some comments in 2016. BA is one of those books designed to sell by shocking us, isn't it?78.16.22.25 (talk) 13:54, 22 March 2018 (UTC)

Indeed, there are many fringe theories out there aiming to fool ignorant people. Macedonian (talk) 14:10, 22 March 2018 (UTC)

Cleopatra

Hello Macedonian. As a Macedonian, you might be interested in one of your own, a little-known, obscure Macedonian named Cleopatra or some sort, a lady who just so happened to rule Egypt and has a newly-written Wikipedia article courtesy of yours truly, i.e. the guy who brought you Macedonia (ancient kingdom). Lol. Enjoy. Pericles of Athens^Talk 21:47, 27 March 2018 (UTC)

Hi Pericles. I watch your superb work on the article and, frankly, I don't know how much more I could contribute to it. I'm sure if Cleopatra was alive she could hardly hide her appreciation for your excellent work behind a twitch of her cute nose! :D Macedonian (talk) 11:20, 28 March 2018 (UTC)

Lol. Thanks for the high praises. --Pericles of Athens^Talk 23:15, 28 March 2018 (UTC)

Sarplaninac/ Deltari ilir

About the dog breed, even why there isn't change the place of origin in the FCU standart Kosovo is a country recognised and accepted in FCI and democratic countries. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 195.113.65.215 (talk) 14:01, 10 April 2018 (UTC)

Not according to FCI. Macedonian (talk) 16:50, 10 April 2018 (UTC)

A kitten for you!

You are Most Welcome. - From A Cat Lover

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Aww, that's really nice of you, many thanks! Macedonian (talk) 17:19, 15 April 2018 (UTC)

Το απόλυτο παραλήρημα

Καλημέρα! Ρίξε αν θες ένα βλέφαρο here. Τα άτομα είναι άπαιχτα...υπάρχει ένα παρεάκι εκεί (3 - 4 users) που κάνει ό,τι γουστάρει, δεν λαμβάνει υπόψη καμία πηγή, καμία πρόταση, καμία αλήθεια, να βλέπουν Greek or Hellenic και να παραληρούν...188.4.15.204 (talk) 09:02, 21 October 2018 (UTC)

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Article about Paeonia (Kingdom)

Hello Macedonian, good evening! Greetings! Χαιρετίσματα! I have a still draft article about the Paeonians as a people (a distinct issue from the Paeonian Kingdom, a political entity), that I hope will be approved. Some of the issues in Paeonia (kingdom) are about the Paeonians as a people (ethnic group), that was the reason why I deleted them (for not being redundant with another article). However, I agree that the two issues are connected, so if you think that it is better to maintain the article as it is now I understand. Bird Vision (talk) 20:46, 29 December 2020 (UTC)

Hi Bird Vision! Not necessary. A new substantial article on Paeonians would be a great addition, go for it. Greetings and have a happy, covid-free 2021! Macedonian (talk) 08:18, 30 December 2020 (UTC)

sorry

undid one of your edits while dealing with an IP vandal. restored now.Pipsally (talk) 08:33, 2 February 2021 (UTC)

That's all right. Macedonian (talk) 12:58, 2 February 2021 (UTC)

Why did you remove the image of Taylor Swift in the Boot article?

You said that it was on the grounds it it being "unconstructive", but why do you seemingly have little to no issue with the other photos of boots in that article? And it isn't like ankle boots in general have been references when compared to say, cowboy boots, or combat boots. BornonJune8 (talk) 06:08, 8 February 2021 (UTC)

Because the image is of obvious low importance to the article, hence unconstructive. Macedonian (talk) 07:04, 8 February 2021 (UTC)

Why exactly is it of obvious low importance in the first place? The article is about boots, Taylor Swift was wearing boots in the photo. You can't just subjectively say that it's of obvious low importance without further elaborating why you feel that way. How do you define what is or isn't "constructive" on Wikipedia then? Also, why do you feel the need to remove something anyway even though I provided references of the matter? BornonJune8 (talk) 07:08, 8 February 2021 (UTC)

Honestly now, do I have to explain myself for that matter?? Because the boots in that picture can hardly be seen! It's an unconstructive edit, likely spam. Also, your editing seems disruptive, and is definitely not an improvement! Macedonian (talk) 09:16, 8 February 2021 (UTC)

Pelasgians

Hi! I undid your undoing of an edit I made on the "Names of the Greeks" page. I did this because, although my original edit may have seemed minor, the distinction between "Proto-Greek" and "Pre-Greek" is actually quite important. Likewise, for a couple other things where the article was more authoritative than it should have been (i.e. stating things that are plausible, but not yet fully agreed upon by a scholarly consensus), I made the wording more ambiguous ("was" > "may have been"). — Preceding unsigned comment added by DoctorWho70 (talk • contribs) 21:39, 3 March 2021 (UTC)

Hello. I see your point on the language of the Pelasgians. However, the Macedonians were likely Dorians (Herodotus), edited accordingly.

Thanks

Apparently I suffered some sort of major brain fart! Thanks for fixing it! WikiDan61^ChatMe!_ReadMe!! 18:53, 29 March 2021 (UTC)

No worries, we've all been there! :) Macedonian (talk) 18:58, 29 March 2021 (UTC)

Arnaiz-Villena

Hi, you recently reverted my edits at Antonio Arnaiz-Villena and accused me of vandalism (without explanation). But my edits were not vandalism, as explained on the talk page. The material I removed was off-topic original research using primary research references. Primary sources are not regarded as reliable for genetic information on ethnic groups, as explicitly stated at WP:SCIRS. I'll wait the better half of a day for you to explain your views at the talk page, but if you revert without indicating that you understand what I laid out there, you're edit warring. Hunan201p (talk) 08:07, 12 April 2021 (UTC)

Hi Hunan201p. I explain my views on the relevant talk page. Macedonian (talk) 11:52, 12 April 2021 (UTC)

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Φυσικά και γνωρίζεις ότι στις μαχες του Μ.Αλεξάνδρου όταν τα τυπάκια εδώ γράφουν “macedonian victory” ποια «ματσεντόνια» εννοούν... εμείς φυσικά θεωρούμε (και ορθώς) ότι εννοείται ελληνική νίκη... ή τουλάχιστον μια νίκη ενός ελληνικού Βασίλειου... Αμ δε... Όσο και να θελουμε να κρυβόμαστε πίσω απ’το δάχτυλό μας, τα παρεάκια εδώ φυσικά και δεν την εννοούν ως ελληνική νίκη... Θεωρεις λοιπόν ότι θα πρέπει να συνεχίσουμε να κοροϊδεύουμε τους εαυτούς μας; Θεωρείς ότι θα πρέπει να συμβιβαστούμε; Εγώ προσωπικά προτείνω οτι το ορθό και αληθές είναι να γραφτεί «Hellenic League victory...» (Macedonia and the rest of Greece as part of Hellas). Αν συμφωνεις, μπορούμε λοιπόν να το αλλάξουμε, ή «ωχ τί μας λέει τώρα αυτος, τώρα το θυμήθηκε; Δε μας αφήνει στην ησυχία μας», ή μηπως συμβιβαστήκαμε να κοροϊδεύουμε τους εαυτους μας; Ή φοβόμαστε; Ή μηπως δεν μπορούμε; Ή θα το παίξουμε «διπλωμάτες»; Ή «απαγορεύεται»; Ή βαριόμαστε; Ή μετά από είκοσι χρόνια wiki κουραστήκαμε; Ή τελικά είναι φίλοι μας τα «παιδιά» και δεν θελουμε να τα στεναχωρέσουμε; Κι εγω αγαπώ την παγκόσμια ειρήνη... Αγαπώ ομως και την αλήθεια... Πραγματικά με αγάπη... Phanagorian (talk) 20:31, 14 June 2021 (UTC)

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