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Image markups

Dear Steel1943,

You marked 2 of my images as licencing errors - see my talk page. I have modified the licences now so they accurately reflect the source.

Is it possible you can check them and confirm they are fine now?

Thank you for the help

thepoliticsexpert 15:36, 5 January 2018 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Thepoliticsexpert (talkcontribs)

  • @Thepoliticsexpert: I've commented in the file discussion which you refer. Thanks for the heads-up, but please refer all further comments to that discussion, and feel free to use {{Ping|Steel1943}} to get my attention when you comment there as I am not watching that page. Steel1943 (talk) 16:23, 5 January 2018 (UTC)

The Pillar listed at Redirects for discussion

An editor has asked for a discussion to address the redirect The Pillar. Since you had some involvement with the The Pillar redirect, you might want to participate in the redirect discussion if you have not already done so. — Malik Shabazz Talk/Stalk 02:28, 21 January 2018 (UTC)


I've started an RFD for Walleo and related redirects. Since you requested me to start it, you might want to take part in it as well. ToThAc (talk) 20:21, 27 January 2018 (UTC)

  • @ToThAc: Thanks. (I was actually referring to the ones added to the other discussion. Either way, I could have sworn I responded to your ping by creating a new discussion, but I guess I must have imagined it.) Steel1943 (talk) 21:09, 27 January 2018 (UTC)

File:Graph of web traffic as of November 30, 2017.png

Why was this deleted?

How does one use a graph template without data to graph? — Preceding unsigned comment added by BitterSweetHorror (talkcontribs) 13:57, 30 January 2018 (UTC)

You'll have to walk me through how to create a graph with no underlying data. And I saw NO discussion about my rebuttal on that so-called "discussion" page. Seriously, HOW do you make a graph without access to the underlying data????¿??????? — Preceding unsigned comment added by BitterSweetHorror (talkcontribs) 18:51, 31 January 2018 (UTC)

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Prime Minister's Cup

Hello, why was my request concerning the Prime Minister's Cup deleted? Akocsg (talk) 02:12, 11 February 2018 (UTC)

Talk:Mother (series)

Can you please fix Talk:Mother (series) - it didn't follow the main page move, and should be at Talk:Mother (video game series). --Netoholic @ 22:05, 14 February 2018 (UTC)

  • @Netoholic: Looks as though that issue was resolved by Ixfd64 at about 22:35, 14 February 2018 (UTC) . Steel1943 (talk) 23:19, 14 February 2018 (UTC)


I mistakenly thought user-to-template-space #Rs were more miscellany than #R...   ~ Tom.Reding (talkdgaf)  18:38, 23 February 2018 (UTC)

  • @Tom.Reding: You may have been thinking of the similar exception that stub templates and userbox templates are subject to (nominated at MfD instead of TfD) since as far as I know, that's the only such XfD forum exception. But, either way, no problem and glad to help. Steel1943 (talk) 18:44, 23 February 2018 (UTC)

My redirect

Please undo your change, which makes the redirect problematic again. I don't want that. I will use it for an essay, but I can't undo your change using my phone. Please undo it. -- BullRangifer (talk) PingMe 23:55, 22 March 2018 (UTC) BullRangifer (talk) PingMe 23:55, 22 March 2018 (UTC)

I figured out a temporary fix. Will smooth things out later. -- BullRangifer (talk) PingMe 00:51, 23 March 2018 (UTC) BullRangifer (talk) PingMe 00:51, 23 March 2018 (UTC)

Accidental death listed at Redirects for discussion

An editor has asked for a discussion to address the redirect Accidental death. Since you had some involvement with the Accidental death redirect, you might want to participate in the redirect discussion if you have not already done so. Oiyarbepsy (talk) 03:20, 7 April 2018 (UTC)

Your revert

Hi there Steel, I was wondering how my edit was a "broken relist"? I just double checked the link and it worked just fine? I was not intending to relist the discussion I commented on if that was the confusion. (I was providing an updated link for convenience to another discussion that has since moved that was in the rationale) --TheSandDoctor Talk 19:00, 12 April 2018 (UTC)

  • @TheSandDoctor: Please see the edit that followed the edit of mine which you refer; I reverted myself. Steel1943 (talk) 19:01, 12 April 2018 (UTC)
  Done Sorry about that. Just saw the revert notification and got confused so posted here without looking at the next edit/history. --TheSandDoctor Talk 19:03, 12 April 2018 (UTC)
I have clarified the statement to prevent possible future confusion. --TheSandDoctor Talk 19:04, 12 April 2018 (UTC)
@TheSandDoctor: In my opinion, it probably would have been more efficient to have not posted that statement at all. The reader can follow the links of the relisted discussion to eventually arrive to the discussion they are meant to view. I mean, I don't see this happening, but what if the linked discussion was relisted again? Steel1943 (talk) 19:06, 12 April 2018 (UTC)

Template:WPDISAMBIG / Template:WPDA

I apologize, I'm not sure how that happened, but I believe it was due to the automated process of the RfD listing. --StarcheerspeaksnewslostwarsTalk to me 19:10, 19 April 2018 (UTC)

  • @Starcheerspeaksnewslostwars: If your intention was to nominate Template:WPDA, you did nothing wrong. I undid your edit so that you could see what I'm talking about; the edit histories of the two pages were transposed due to this edit, so I fixed them in this edit. However, as a result of the second edit (my move), the RfD tag was moved to the wrong title, so I had to make a series of edits to resolve that issue ... an issue that I created, but had no other way to fix. In effect, I also notified the true creator of Template:WPDA via Twinkle of the discussion (See this edit.) On a related note, I wanted to send you an email the other day for a related matter I think you maybe have recently noticed, but since you have your email disabled, I was unable to do so. Steel1943 (talk) 19:17, 19 April 2018 (UTC)

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Hi Steel1943, My apologies I appeared to have closed the wrong one ?, I'm not really sure but I'd be more than happy to revert and relist if you want ?, Thanks, –Davey2010Talk 00:24, 27 April 2018 (UTC)

  • @Davey2010: I'd say just change your close to "keep", and you should be good. If not, feel free to relist. Steel1943 (talk) 01:03, 27 April 2018 (UTC)
  • Okie dokie will do, Thanks, –Davey2010Talk 01:22, 27 April 2018 (UTC)

Record label artist redirects

Hi Steel1943, I see you quite a bit at RfD when I check that board out, so I thought you might like to know there are quite a few European dance music labels like Armada Music with a significant amount of redirects (mostly of non-notable artists) pointing to them that aren't even mentioned at the target article. I thought you might like to list this, as I don't have much experience in listing entries at RfD, but I noticed this. Not sure if you want to do anything with it. Ss112 10:57, 27 April 2018 (UTC)

  • @Ss112: I'm not sure how I didn't notice your comment until now. But, either way, I'll give it a check when I get some time. Steel1943 (talk) 00:12, 4 June 2018 (UTC)

Hello Steel1943!

The debate has been closed by the nominator, but it is still listed over at Wikipedia:Redirects_for_discussion/Log/2018_May_16#User:Edward_Mordake. Do you know how to fix that? Thanks in advance, Edward Mordake (talk) 15:56, 16 May 2018 (UTC)

Thank you. The nominator is on Wikibreak so its probably best to ignore the template for 7 days. Edward Mordake (talk) 16:02, 16 May 2018 (UTC)

Dominic Barton

Hi Steel. I have a COI with Dominic Barton's employer. John Broughton was reviewing a draft I provided that would make the page much more filled-out, better-sourced, and more neutral (e.g. no awards and philanthropy section). It looks like he got through the Early Life section and the first paragraph of the Career section, but then moved on to other projects. It's been a couple months and I was looking for someone who might be interested in picking up where he left off. I saw that you had some interest in BLPs and was hoping I might be able to draw your attention to this page and collaborate on improving it. CorporateM (Talk) 12:44, 17 May 2018 (UTC)


Given the outcome of Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2018 May 25#Cooking/Boiling, what do you think about these? — Godsy (TALKCONT) 21:01, 3 June 2018 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of Beetlejuice (1990 video game)


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Hi, i took your advice and relisted the Requested Move on Blue Wave (after reverting my close) and I removed the Technical Request. Maybe getting a few more voters in their can help make the decision a little more clearer. Thank you for helping me see a better path for the RM. JC7V (talk) 02:27, 17 November 2018 (UTC)

  • @JC7V7DC5768: No problem! Yeah, it can’t hurt to see if more support arrives for the move first, especially since there are arguments on both sides about page view stastics and their specifics. Steel1943 (talk) 02:34, 17 November 2018 (UTC)

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Upcoming film redirects

Hi Steel1943. You don't need to notify me about any of these that end up at RfD. If I move any other film articles like this, I remember to untick the box to keep the redirect to save everyone a bit of time! Thanks. Lugnuts Fire Walk with Me 18:00, 1 December 2018 (UTC)

  • @Lugnuts: I thought I saw your name a couple of time when I was tagging those redirects, but I didn’t check all of the edit histories before I tagged them to see who created them. It's Twinkle in action; I usually remove the selection from Twinkle to notify the creator's talk page if I see that I have notified them already, but these redirects had several different creators. I wish we could find a way to WP:G6 these. Steel1943 (talk) 18:31, 1 December 2018 (UTC)

File:Cardi B at the VMAs 2018.jpg

Several pictures from the MTV International YouTube account are being used in Wikipedia articles. The other free alternative is a bad 2016 screenshot. Cornerstonepicker (talk) 22:59, 5 December 2018 (UTC)

  • @Cornerstonepicker: Just because they "are being being used in Wikipedia articles" doesn’t mean it’s right. That just means that a problem has grown large enough to where it looks normal, but it’s neither normal or accepted. MTV International is a commercial entity, and there is no proof that they have released any part of their videos or images with any free license. Due to that, fair use has to be assumed, and any image being utilized via fair use has to meet all 10 fair use criterion. The image you uploaded blatantly fails the first criterion since the subject is alive and a free equivalent already exists. (But, the subject being alive would have alone made the picture fail the first criterion.) Steel1943 (talk) 23:11, 5 December 2018 (UTC)
@Cornerstonepicker: Either way, I went ahead and reverted my edit since I’m almost 100% sure another editor will post an new (or the old) image in the event that the one on the article gets deleted, given the subject’s fame and social following. Steel1943 (talk) 23:20, 5 December 2018 (UTC)
@Cornerstonepicker: ...And I just withdrew my deletion nomination of the file on Commons. YouTube is a tricky devil, it seems. Steel1943 (talk) 23:25, 5 December 2018 (UTC)
For my reference: Cardi B. Steel1943 (talk) 18:34, 17 December 2018 (UTC)

Requested moves/Technical requests

Thanks for taking care of that (you know) swap. I was unaware of WP:RMTR; added to my list of things to remember along with notes on your actual procedure :) Fred Gandt · talk · contribs 08:01, 18 December 2018 (UTC)

Lower East Side Tenement Museum

Hi. I noticed you moved Lower East Side Tenement Museum/version 2 to Lower East Side Tenement Museum, New York without leaving a redirect. This inadvertently broke links on the attribution tags at both Talk:Lower East Side Tenement Museum and Talk:Lower East Side Tenement Museum, New York, ironically making the history more difficult to find for GFDL purposes, the only reason we keep it. I believe "version 2" articles are generally leftovers from histmerges kept for attribution. I can't think of a reason to move them, but if you want to, it's probably best to leave the redirects, at least some of which are linked from talk pages or edit summaries. Station1 (talk) 06:04, 20 December 2018 (UTC)

  • @Station1: One of those "version #" redirects had incoming links on a talk page??? That’s the first time I recall ever running across that. But anyways, since they are invalid search terms, the helpfulness of "version #" redirects have been discussed multiple times to a point to where they are essentially WP:G6 deletions if they do not have any edit history; moving the edit history away from the title resolved this. For reference, see Citizen Game/version 2, Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2018 May 18#Century Tower (Chicago)/version 2, Eloise Taylor/version 2, Planking (fad)/version 2, Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2018 February 10#United_States_Colonial_Marine_Corps_()version_2. There’s also a discussion on a Wikipedia talk page somewhere that I participated in about two or three years ago regarding this, but the discussion there was that it was okay to remove these "version #" redirects if they had no edit history. But regarding the edit summaries, where edit history moved can be hunted down by following the links of the deletion and move summaries on the moved/deleted pages; incoming links those, yes, are a different story so I’m going to correct the ones that definitely need correcting (such as the ones you mentioned) and keep an eye out in the future for sure. Steel1943 (talk) 12:39, 20 December 2018 (UTC)
    • Citizen Game/version 2 is linked from a user talk page. Planking (fad)/version 2 is also linked from 2 talk pages. Eloise Taylor/version 2 is linked only from a bot log, so not sure how important that is, but I see no easy way track down where that one went from the move log. Station1 (talk) 03:06, 21 December 2018 (UTC)
      • @Station1: Seems like it, but those are examples that did not involve me. Either way, for attribution purposes, especially via {{Copied from}}, the example you brought up seems to be the only example of the bunch were it was imperative that the link was updated after the page move. But, even if it wasn’t, the move/deletion log could lead readers to where they are trying to go to find the edit history. Steel1943 (talk) 03:14, 21 December 2018 (UTC)
        • I do see that now, but was only looking at the examples you mentioned and noticed they're all linked from User:Steel1943/VersionPageList/1. I wonder if these need to be discussed somewhere. I'm no expert on histmerges and attribution requirements, but these seem to be created solely for 'parking' the merged histories under obscure titles for legal reasons. Station1 (talk) 03:25, 21 December 2018 (UTC)
          • @Station1: Yes, the purpose behind that page has been discovered! But in all seriousness, I discussed this somewhere in the "Wikipedia talk:" namespace about 2–3 years ago, but I don’t recall where it happened at the moment. If I recall, the moving away from "version #" pages was okay in the event of them containing no edit history. I’ll look for it; if/when I find it, I’ll ping you. I’ve been working on merges and attributed edit histories for a while, and from my understanding, if no merge is possible, as long as the edit history is somewhere, it meets attribution needs/requirements. (But, if course, it’s nice if it’s easy to locate as well in the event it needs to be found at any point.) However, since I also understand the usefulness of redirects as well, this task regarding "fixing" these redirects came to mind as sort of a backlog that needs cleaning. Steel1943 (talk) 05:05, 21 December 2018 (UTC)
          • @Station1: Just found the aforementioned discussion: Wikipedia talk:Administrators' guide/Fixing cut-and-paste moves#Discussion regarding titling standards for moving parallel histories. (Thought it was going to take me longer to find.) Steel1943 (talk) 05:10, 21 December 2018 (UTC)
            • Thanks for the link. Station1 (talk) 07:36, 22 December 2018 (UTC)

Merry Christmas!

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Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year

Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year

Hi Steel1943, I wish you and your family a very Merry Christmas
and a very Happy and Prosperous New Year,
Thanks for all your help and thanks for all your contributions to the 'pedia,

   –Davey2010 Merry Christmas / Happy New Year 14:50, 23 December 2018 (UTC)


Apologies for the rollback, have undone my error. Page jumped as I was clicking on a diff. Mjroots (talk) 06:10, 27 December 2018 (UTC)