User talk:Spangineer/archive05

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Blocked from Editing

Feel free to block me from editing. This is my school's IP and as such it is probably for the best you block this account from editing. If I (the person writing this) really needs to modify an article, I will log in —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 203.94.38.6 (talk • contribs) .

Which page was vandalised

I was just wondering which page was vandalised? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 203.94.38.6 (talk • contribs) .

Vfd - Oxyacetylene

Of possible interest to you -- Oxyacetylene redirect, merge or split to wikibooks. Ah, choices! — Graibeard ^(talk) 00:31, 18 February 2006 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Time and methods engineering

Spangineer, you're an industrial engineer, please tell me WHERE you have heard of the term. Please revisit Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Time and methods engineering --Perfecto 09:43, 18 February 2006 (UTC)

Dana photo

Well since you have given yourself the work of taking the photo of Dana International from other Wikipedias you should also take it from this Wikipedia, because the photo is in use in the page Dana International. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.190.195.100 (talk • contribs)

Jake Gyllenhaal

Hi! I am writing you from the Polish Wikipedia - you have removed Gyllenhaal's picture from it, whereas it seems to be free (according to the English version of the artcile). Could you please help me to make my mind about it? cheers. Ziel 10:33, 24 February 2006 (UTC)

Schreyer Honors College scholarship information

Hi,

Apparently, the brochure you pointed to is outdated. That used to be the amount, but with Ridge's tuition increases the amount was raised in 2004 to be proportional to the increased tuition. The source is [1] (2.7MB). As you can see, that letter is dated February 21, 2006, or last Tuesday.

If you have the time, you're welcome to upload the file to Wikisource after blacking out the personal information. I'll take the original offline tomorrow night.

Hope this answers your question,

--Quintin3265 02:46, 26 February 2006 (UTC)

Che Guevara

Hey Spangineer, regarding your objections at the Che Guevara FAC, I believe I have (hopefully) addressed all your concerns. Any other comments would be appreciated. LordViD 14:01, 26 February 2006 (UTC)

Many, many, thanks for the wonderful edit you made to the article. You sir, are an extrordinary editor. Thanks! LordViD 19:30, 26 February 2006 (UTC)

This may be...a rather awkward question. I read on your (awesome) userpage that you study Spanish. May I assume that you are fluent in the language? You see, Polaris999 had this nifty idea of adding a sound byte to Che Guevara of a spanish speaker pronouncing "Ernesto Che Guevara". I understand that you may not have the time, or the technical skills to record it, so it's OK if you decline. Thanks! LordViD 18:55, 1 March 2006 (UTC)

Thank you, thank you, thank you very much! I could hug you right now! :) LordViD 19:33, 1 March 2006 (UTC)

Please take a look ...

Someone has just modified the Intro section of the CG article. For the worse, I would say, but I wish defer to your judgement. Polaris999 22:32, 27 February 2006 (UTC)

DYK

Did you know? has been updated. A fact from the article Operation Auca, which you recently created, has been featured in that section on the Main Page. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the "Did you know?" talk page.

--Gurubrahma 03:35, 28 February 2006 (UTC)

CG article: name of sub-section

Hello Spangineer -- I was just reviewing the entire CG article and got the strong feeling that the title of the sub-section "Cultural Impact" promises much more than the text delivers. I therefore changed it to "Films and video games", combining those two classifications that had previously had separate sub-sections. Is this all right with you? It seems to me that "Cultural Impact" should be developed as a "daughter" article: So much can -- and should -- be written on this subject ... (But if you don't agree, please do change it back!) Polaris999 05:12, 28 February 2006 (UTC)

Lothal FAC

Hi - I've addressed your points. Please do reconsider your vote. Rama's Arrow 21:19, 28 February 2006 (UTC)

Featured article candidates/Noah's Ark

I've revised the Noah's Ark article as you suggested. Grateful if you'd have a look. PiCo 23:29, 28 February 2006 (UTC)

Joan of Arc

Have I answered your questions adequately? Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Joan of Arc Durova 22:11, 3 March 2006 (UTC)

unfree image

• http://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confessions_of_an_Economic_Hit_Man

Hi,

On 04:12, 24 February 2006 Spangineer (remove unfree image; no fair use permitted at commons)

Question: would it have been "legal" to upload the picture to nl.wikipedia?

Or: could I have let the en: picture be shown on nl: ?

— Xiutwel (talk) 16:14, 5 March 2006 (UTC) PS I am more on nl:, but you may also reply on en:. Please leave a message on either my talk page or via e-mail.

Electrical and Electronics Engineering Survey

Hi Spangineer,

Currently there is a survey on the electrical and electronics engineering talk page on whether to redirect electrical and electronics engineering to the featured electrical engineering article. The survey has five votes, most of which are for the proposal, but does not seem to be getting any additional traffic. This has left the electrical engineering article with an unsightly merge tag. If you could review the issue and possibly offer your opinion, it would be most appreciated. Hopefully this would help the issue reach a conclusion.

Thanks,

Cedars 14:23, 6 March 2006 (UTC)

albatross notes

Go for it, I have absolutely no prefernce (it never occured to me to do it one way or the other.) Sabine's Sunbird talk 08:05, 10 March 2006 (UTC)

• actually, I went and did it myself, but thanks for pointing it out. Sabine's Sunbird talk 14:44, 10 March 2006 (UTC)

Moving just the history of a page

Hola. Saw your note on the Luiz Inácio Lula da Silva FAC about the improper archiving. Here's what I did to fix it (I'm pretty sure I did this correctly). First thing I did was delete the whole FAC. I then restored just the edits from the last FAC. After restoration, I moved the page to the new location here. I went back to the FAC and deleted the redirect, then immidiately restored the new FAC edits (minus my move). Voila! I'm not sure if there is an easier way to do this, though, and this type of thing is only really practical on pages with a small amount of edits. --Jeffrey O. Gustafson - Shazaam! - <*> 09:53, 15 March 2006 (UTC)

Re: Bulbasaur

Sorry about that message. I wasn't talking about all of the opposers, just the ones that couldn't let it go (FARC, moaning on Rauls talk ...etc...). mSorry for causing offence. --Celestianpower ^háblame 10:54, 16 March 2006 (UTC)

Thanks! I've been using it for some while now :). --Celestianpower ^háblame 09:20, 18 March 2006 (UTC)

PSU

Hi, I just wanted to say your Penn State articles are very good. I'm surprised that there are so few Penn Staters writing articles about PSU. How is the Penn State WikiProject coming along? The Project page says it is inactive. Rob 03:17, 17 March 2006 (UTC)

Hey, I agree with Rob, and am wondering if you ever contacted the Collegian, or still think it a good idea. If anything in specific needs to be done, I will gladly do so. I am new on Wiki, so I may be limited in some ways. Suto Meaty 18:59, 18 March 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the message. I added a list of the President of Penn State on the main page. Wasn't sure if it should be there or otherwise. Feel free to do with it as you see fit.Suto 02:16, 19 March 2006 (UTC)

Your objections

I beleve I've adequately responded to your objections at Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Rush (band). If there's anything more I can do, just let me know. —BorgHunter ^ubx (talk) 15:19, 18 March 2006 (UTC)

WP:FAC/Mexicanos, al grito de guerra

I was wondering if I made the copyright myth section clearer. Since I am not even an es-1, I have no clue which English translation is correct or not (unless, we could bribe the Instituto Nacional de Lenguas Indígenas to create one in English). Thanks again. User:Zscout370 ^{(Return Fire)} 05:40, 19 March 2006 (UTC)

Penn State Picture Gallery pictures

Hi Spagineer,

You're correct - I decided to offer all the pictures in the gallery under the GFDL. Feel free to browse through them and select whichever you'd like to upload for whatever articles you want.

I already added one or two, but you would probably know better than I which articles need pictures and where they would be most useful.

--Quintin3265 15:04, 20 March 2006 (UTC)

By the way, there are a lot of pictures there of the homecoming parade, but there isn't an article on it. Perhaps someone would be interested in writing an article on the topic.

--Quintin3265 21:48, 20 March 2006 (UTC)

New York Dialect

Hi,

I am writing because I wanted to see how I could petition to have the New York-New Jersey English article split into two parts: New York Dialect and New Jersey Dialects. Other than the fact that NY Dialect is spoken in extreme Northeastern NJ, there is no reason for them to be together. New Jersey has a number of dialects spoken in it, one of which is Philadelphia dialect (which needs its own page btw).

Another thing: is it possible to change the name of Nuyorican English, to New York Latino English? It's not really centered on the Puerto Rican community any more.

Mnewmanqc 01:35, 21 March 2006 (UTC)mnewmanqc

FA

Yeah, it's been a long day with a lot of rollbacks and blocks and vandals IMing me, so I'm a little snappy :). Seriously, I see no issue with AMG, though. — Deckiller 03:19, 22 March 2006 (UTC)

TV Land Awards DYK

Sorry about that, I have my time zone adjusted so I guess we saw slightly different histories. Mine shows me creating the article at "20:48, 21 March 2006". If you feel like it should be on the 22nd, that's your call. Thanks for paying such close attention to one of my fave parts of Wikipedia! Staxringold 03:57, 23 March 2006 (UTC)

Re: Penn State

Thanks for the notification about the WikiProject Penn State project. Hope more people will show interest this time around.

Thanks for the offer for an administrator nom a while back. I don't think I'm interested in being an admin though. Sorry for the late reply - I haven't paying much attention to Wikipedia these past few months.

Hope the rest of your semester is great. Let's go state! --Jtalledo (talk) 12:57, 23 March 2006 (UTC)

DYK

Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Harold and Inge Marcus Department of Industrial and Manufacturing Engineering, which you created. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the "Did you know?" talk page.

Updated thanks for the ...star

I kinda suspected what you were getting at then, and I somehow think you could predict my FAC intensity...escalating over time. As it has. Luckily, Spring is here and a full season of farm work, so I'm off FAC for the time being. Growing: it's better than arguing. :) Later on... --Tsavage 21:00, 23 March 2006 (UTC)

Award

File:Hand with thumbs up.jpg		Hand with thumbs up
		I hereby award you this hand with thumbs up, for your impressive number of off-the-beaten-track photographs, of things like lathes. Good stuff!

Mike1024 (t/c) 23:10, 26 March 2006 (UTC)

Dead Link cleanup

WayneRay 15:45, 27 March 2006 (UTC)WayneRay In an effort to cleanup the large poetry related sections, I have cleaned up the dead links (in red) and have left the now unlinked names. Is it proper wikietiquette to leave unlinked names in lists, or should they be ommitted as there is no write up on the poet/author? Thanks for your help in this matter.

Sorry I didn't respond earlier. Normally on wikipedia we link anything that could potentially have its own article. That can be tough to judge, but if there's list of poets who have published works, I'd leave the red links there so that editors are able to easily create articles on them. Does that answer your question? —Spangineer[es] (háblame) 02:40, 30 March 2006 (UTC)

WayneRay 17:41, 30 March 2006 (UTC)WayneRay Yes, I think I will leave them un linked. I believe i had put a Talk notice that a name should't be listed if the poster doesn't have the information, and no one has responded so I will leave further red links . Thanks for your help.

Electrical and electronics engineering

Hi Spangineer,

Thanks for your note on the talk page issue. I have responded and proposed we just move the featured content to electrical and electronics engineering to hopefully resolve the issue once and for all. Please feel free to discuss my proposal or response further either at Talk:Electrical and electronics engineering or my talk page.

Cheers,

Cedars 03:27, 28 March 2006 (UTC)

Neo Clasical

do you know anything about this please answer me. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bluefreak-126 (talk • contribs)

George Atherton GA

Glad you understood my comments were meant to be constructive. Let me answer a couple of your questions:

For your second point, are you looking for inline citations?

I'm looking for some way to match the details with the sources. Even to simply state in the text "John Doe wrote", then have John Doe's book/article cited at the bottom would help. But if John Doe is being quoted by Henry Smith, then I would appreciate an inline citation.

As for your third point; you're right, most of the article is on his work at the university.

After I wrote my comments, I realized what I would like to see in this section is not so much "these changes were made at Penn State during his tenure" but "during his tenure, Atherton did these things which caused these changes". As the sections I criticized currently read, he might as well have waved a magic wand & the changes happened; I suspect he put in a lot of hard work convincing people to support him & answering criticisms -- this is how the article should describe his tenure. And I suspect you could rewrite this article in this manner with your current research.

Good luck with the article, & hope to see it either at GA or FA soon. -- llywrch 02:26, 30 March 2006 (UTC)

Static grass

S, do you know it's notable? If so, how? If not, I'll AfD it. Thanks. - the.crazy.russian (T) (C) (E) 19:57, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

• Done. Come opine. - the.crazy.russian τ/ç/ë 20:43, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

RfA

Hi. You raised the point of my e-mail address. I have since authenticated it. Regards Mark83 22:23, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

April Fool's

Hi David; just thought I'd drop by and say thanks for working to keep the main page looking professional. I was blissfully ignorant of all of last year's foolishness until after the fact, but I'm hoping that we can avoid that kind of ridiculous behavior this year. Thanks for your efforts. Oh, and I hope you get a chance to sleep tonight =). —Spangineer^[es] (háblame) 06:18, 1 April 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for your kind words. I do, in fact, intend to sleep soon (albeit reluctantly).  :-) —David Levy 06:29, 1 April 2006 (UTC)

My (HereToHelp’s) RfA

Thank you for supporting my RfA. I’m proud to inform you that it passed with 75 support to 1 oppose to 2 neutral. I promise to make some great edits in the future (with edit summaries!) and use these powers to do all that I can to help. After all, that’s what I’m here for! (You didn’t think I could send a thank you note without a bad joke, could I?) --HereToHelp 12:54, 1 April 2006 (UTC)

Static grass

Whoa! I must apologise for having mistakenly deleted Static grass. I'm not too sure what went on, I was deleting uncontested {{prod}}ded articles based on the highlighted articles on this list. I guess I clicked the wrong link, but am surprised I hadn't noticed that {{prod}} had been removed, maybe I was viewing a cached version of the page :S. Anyhow, I'm sorry about that mistake, I would contest the notability of the article as it currently stands, but that's obviously no reason for it to be deleted without due discussion. Thanks for having restored the page, and bringing the error to my attention! _└ ^UkPaolo/_talk^┐ 19:34, 1 April 2006 (UTC)

Admin question

I am glad the actions of Onanisland were being observed. It had degenerated quite quickly as you can see from the talk page he was trying to blank out. During his "attack" he stuck a test4 on my talk page even though no test1, test2, or test3 were there to start with.(other than 1 I received by mistake) I am still learning the wiki-vandalism procedures...My question is: If he returns from his block and sticks a test5 on my page A)Will I be blocked? and B)How do I get unblocked if it should happen(I hope it doesn't) Thanks and Take Care! Anger22 01:06, 2 April 2006 (UTC)

Floyd argument

Just want to thank you for calming the situation down. I didn't notice that he reported us to WP:AIV until just now... I guess that's how you got involved. I really tried from the outset to handle it as reasonably as possible from the time he posted on my talk page, but... *shrug* I wrote quite a long message of welcome and discussion of the way consensus works and pointed out relevant policies to his talk page, don't know if you saw it before he removed it. I'm still willing to assume good faith to the point of believing that he isn't affiliated with the site, but it seemed that anger against the relevant Wikipedia policies about fan sites just spilled over to be directed at us. - dharmabum 02:59, 2 April 2006 (UTC)

Admin question part 2

While it's fresh in my mind...I have a question about FA voting, RE:Rush. Is voting for admins only or is it open to anyone...including wiki-ludites like me? Just curious. If it is open to anyone I'd like to throw my support in there. Thanks and take care! Anger22 01:09, 3 April 2006 (UTC)

Anyone can vote on Featured Article nominations. —BorgHunter ^ubx (talk) 01:12, 3 April 2006 (UTC)

Block conflict 220.240.226.206

We must have blocked this user at the same time. I blocked for 31 hours and you for 48. Good work. I looked in the block log and didn't see it blocked yet. If you wish I will unblock it and reblock it for the full 48 which it really could use. Let me know. I am sorry but I didn't see it in the block log.--Dakota ~ ° 04:40, 3 April 2006 (UTC)

Hola, I am glad you are OK with it. I looked at our individual logs and we did block at the same time. The shorter block will cancel out the longer one seems strange but it will. I like the 31 hour one because it throws off the time for the clock watcher vandals. If you are ok with it I won't reverse. That vandal is on my watchlist. Thanks. --Dakota ~ ° 04:51, 3 April 2006 (UTC)

Blocking IP addresses

I realise you didn't mean to block me just now when you blocked an IP address, but you should be aware that the address you blocked is that used by the Australian Parliament, where thousands of people work, so when you block it you potentially block many Wikipedia Users. Adam 05:02, 3 April 2006 (UTC)

Rush FAC

Hi. I have just removed a statement that seemed to be causing some problems as it was unsourced. Would you review the article? Thanks --KaptKos 21:53, 4 April 2006 (UTC)

Also added NYT ref. Spent some time trawling newpaper sites and couldn't find very much, on NYT only found 2 gig reviews and thats going back to 1981, zilch on Chicargo trib and LA times. However, I don't know which US papers would be best for this. Even established mag sites (Rolling Stone, Q, NME, MTV, VH1) have little useful detail, mostly duplicated and already used, or none at all. Any suggestions greatfully accepted --KaptKos 09:07, 5 April 2006 (UTC)

From VGarner

Thank you for the Welcome. I have used Wikipedia for a while, but only recently decided to edit on a few things I have some background in. I will try to read up on the Wiki standards. Regards VGarner 23:01, 4 April 2006 (UTC)

apostrophe

Hi; it's a vexed question, and style manuals disagree on the issue. My personal preference is to add 's no matter what the final letter is in a singular noun (Jesus's, Jones's, etc), because it's consistent and simple. However, some manuals say just add an apostrophe alone to word-final s, and some say only when it's the name of a religious or mythical figure (Jesus', Venus'); others say only to add the s after the apostrophe when it results in an extra spoken syllable (e.g., <jonzez = Jones's). Tony 02:46, 5 April 2006 (UTC)

It's crazy in a way, but also pliable and democratic: 'big and baggy', one expert said. If the craziness is a trade-off for suppleness, that's fine with me. Tony 07:22, 5 April 2006 (UTC)

God Article

Something I put about God being at Backlash was deleted. Why? Check the WWE Backlash article for confirmation.

141.156.146.111 01:07, 8 April 2006 (UTC)Brendan

Wikiproject: countering systemic bias

Hi Spangineer, I wonder if you might be able to help - I'm writing an article for openDemocracy about the Wikiproject:countering systemic bias. I'd like to get some quotes from Wikipedians about why they're involved, what they're working on and some other general issues. I wonder if you'd be willing to talk to me over email? Mine is daviddariusbijan@yahoo.co.uk

Thanks,

David

86.133.23.227 18:39, 12 April 2006 (UTC)

Cite

What can be done about Merecat (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · nuke contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) repeatedly disrupting pages by objecting to the new link style? See Talk:Rationales to impeach George W. Bush. Our recent encounter makes me feel I should try and ask independent opninion. Sincerely. Nomen Nescio 22:28, 12 April 2006 (UTC)

Beaver Field

Hey Spangineer, do you know where Beaver Field is? I'm planning to go there this weekend for baseball vs. Michigan State, but can't find its location anywhere. Thanks. deeptrivia (talk) 02:10, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

Help!

Please see this edit at Talk:Rationales to impeach George W. Bush. Any help you can offer there would be much appreciated.Merecat 03:24, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

If you can stop Merecat from continuing his vendetta and get him to discuss I would be grateful and we can let that RFC go. Mediation is alway better. If however he insists on this aggrevating course I will go forward with the RFC. Nomen Nescio 05:14, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

I asked Nescio for mediation 4 days ago. He never replied. See my comments on the RFC page, here

Merecat 05:18, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

For the moment we seem to have agreed upon a truce. Maybe you would help us and mediate regarding the our difference of opinion. Nomen Nescio 17:11, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

My RfA

Many thanks for your support on my recent RfA. It was successful. Thanks again, Mark83 10:54, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

RFC started on Merecat

Sorry but evidently the suggested mediation did not work. In light of recent events (not discussing disputed edits, edit warring and making personal attacks) this Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Merecat has been started. Maybe you want to make an observation there, if not OK. Sincerely Nomen Nescio 18:16, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

Help!

I am being attacked by Nescio with a punative RFC regarding Rationales to impeach George W. Bush, which I feel is unwarranted. Please go there right away and comment at Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Merecat. Thanks. Merecat 18:18, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

Howdy...

If I recall correctly, you are in your fourth year of study, no? So does that mean you will be graduating in a month or so, or do you have more left? --LV ^{(Dark Mark)} 02:58, 14 April 2006 (UTC)

Good luck. I know how hard finding good research topics and models can be. I was going to congratulate you and wish you luck as you moved onto the phase of your life, but that's kind of moot now. Well heck, Congraulations anyway for getting one step closer to grad school! Good luck in the coming year and a half. See you around. --LV ^{(Dark Mark)} 03:11, 14 April 2006 (UTC)

Admin question Pt 3

Since I've picked on you before(although Borghunter intercepted the second question...BH if you're listening you can field this one too). I made a hasty attempt to assist an anon editor, User:82.13.30.22, adding new info to the Thin Lizzy article. The additions are referenced to books but lack closure.(Harv_refs) He also uses weblinks which may not(I'm not sure) meet up to WP:EL criteria. My initial attempt to assist was rebuked with a belligerent attitude and a bit o' name calling. Since my attempts at WP:CIV were met with UN-CIV-ILITY, I am not really sure what steps I should take to remedy or repair...both the page and any WP:DR. Thanks and Take Care! Anger22 18:32, 15 April 2006 (UTC)

Thanks once again for your help. It is, as always, very appreciated. As for being called "#%&*" ...my employees probably call me that everyday, behind my back. It gets old after awhile :) Cheers! Anger22 19:15, 15 April 2006 (UTC)

Joan of Arc

Hi Silence; I've changed the wording slightly again. Saying that something "is believed" makes it sound like there's little dispute among scholars that that is the case, but I don't get the impression that that is true. The wording is now "She had visions, which many believe to be from God". I've changed the text appearing on the main page back to what you had originally, but if you agree with this last change, I'll fix the main page text as well. Thanks! —Spangineer^[es] (háblame) 00:55, 16 April 2006 (UTC)

I understand; It's a tricky thing to word. The problem, though, is that "believed" wasn't short for "which are believed" or "which many believe"; it was short for "which were believed" (i.e. by Joan and many people around her, including her own executioner). It was shortened largely because "were" would imply that noone believes they were from God today, which could offend Roman Catholics, who still believe that. I suppose it's tough to tread the line between ambiguity and neutrality; I don't think the current solution is satisfactory, though. "which many believe" makes it sound even more like it's a very widely-held belief, even though I'm sure that most people in the world, not being Christians, don't believe it. -Silence 00:59, 16 April 2006 (UTC)

What about "believed by many to be from God"? That would save the past tense at least, and would make the sentence sound better. As for the use of "many", I don't think that it more strongly suggests that it is generally believed. For a different example, I'd much prefer "many believe that evolution is false" to "it is believed that evolution is false". Both sentences are technically true, but the first qualifies the believing. If the adjective were "most" or something along those lines that attempted to say exactly how many believe it, well, that's different. Ah, semantics =). —Spangineer^[es] (háblame) 01:10, 16 April 2006 (UTC)

As, I've already said quite clearly, "it is believed that evolution is false" is a false comparison, as there was no "it is" in the original sentence; it merely said "She had visions, believed to be from God,"; "She had visions that are believed to be from God" would have a 100% different meaning, and failing to stop the difference is bizarre indeed. But your new suggestion is better, at least, than the one currently on the page. -Silence 01:15, 16 April 2006 (UTC)

Sorry, I don't see any difference; it appears to me that "it is" or "they were" or whatever is clearly implied. Since there is no explicit subject who is doing the believing, I don't see any other option. No matter; I've changed the text back to the way it was originally, and I leave it to you to make changes you deem appropriate, if any. —Spangineer^[es] (háblame) 01:45, 16 April 2006 (UTC)

Additional info

Examples of significant discussions User talk:82.153.101.34 User_talk:Mathwiz2020/Archive_3#A_Question Wikipedia talk:Requests for adminship/Archive 50#Main RfA Navigation improvement Talk:Kwanzaa/Archive 4#Kwanzaa as a Racist Holiday [2]

Regarding the rollback issue - plenty has been said on both sides. I have provided the above examples to address your concern over lack of discussion. Thanks. --Jay(Reply) 04:06, 16 April 2006 (UTC)

apologies

It appears I have edited your page back in february. Sorry about that.

paul —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Pauly0 (talk • contribs) .