User talk:Sillyfolkboy/Archive 8

New section

FYI you might want to move that 2nd bot request to a new section since it's not really related (other than the WikiProject). Up to you though!   ~ Tom.Reding (talk ⋅dgaf)  23:56, 4 May 2018 (UTC)

OK, will do. Thanks for the tip! SFB 23:56, 4 May 2018 (UTC)

Category:Tai chi

Category:Tai chi has been renamed. You may want to follow this up by nominating the subcategories. – Fayenatic London 08:14, 7 May 2018 (UTC)

CFD dates

Hi, when you have tagged the group of categories (like Category:Forensic works etc.) for CFD, for some reason the date in the template has come out as the 5th, rather than the 7th, so the links don't work. I've fixed one of the categories [1]. – Uanfala (talk) 15:43, 7 May 2018 (UTC)

Maintaining hierarchies

Hi, I spotted that you removed Religious leaders from Positions of authority.[2] Fair enough, since it contains biographies, but it would have been better to place the appropriate sub-cat into that hierarchy, namely Religious leadership roles.

Hope this is a useful hint! Best wishes – Fayenatic London 21:43, 23 May 2018 (UTC)

@Fayenatic london: Good spot! Stumbled across that while building up Category:People in sports so I did a quick clean up of that by creating the Category:Leaders. Looked a little deeper and had to stop as there seems to be tons of work needed to split out the role tree and the tree for people by role. Will look back into that problem once I'm done with the sports stuff. Thanks! SFB 21:55, 23 May 2018 (UTC)

No such country as Congo, and administrators

Note that the Category:African Games competitors for Congo hierarchy which you created should be Republic of Congo - I've speedied it. Also per WP:REDNOT you shouldn't add red-linked categories as you tried to do here - and if you had tried to create Category:Administration you would have seen that it was deleted per 2016 CfD as Administration is a disambiguation page. I've changed it to Category:Public administration for the time being - it covers the current contents but Category:Administrators should probably be renamed to Category:Public administrators for clarity. Le Deluge (talk) 17:04, 25 May 2018 (UTC)

Sports events by city

Hi, following Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2018_April_28, please follow up with Category:Sports events by city in Greece and subcats. These could probably be Speedied. – Fayenatic London 23:56, 25 May 2018 (UTC)

@Fayenatic london: Have speedy nominated now. Thanks SFB 01:40, 26 May 2018 (UTC)

Invitation to participate in study

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Thank you Ewitch51 (talk) 20:24, 11 June 2018 (UTC)

Beijing Sinobo Guoan F.C.

We kept both by city and by country cat. Please leave Beijing Sinobo Guoan F.C. in Category:Football clubs in China. Matthew_hk tc 14:46, 8 July 2018 (UTC)

Please see PSG FC and Manchester United F.C. for example. Matthew_hk tc 14:48, 8 July 2018 (UTC)

@Matthew hk: Hi Matthew - what is the thinking behind this? The regular approach is to move articles into the more relevant subcategory of a tree. If there is no benefit to subdividing Category:Football clubs in China, then normally it's better to suggest an upmerge of the subcategories. You could still fully populate the national cat and keep the city categorisation under the broader (and mostly empty) Category:Football in Beijing level, for example. SFB 14:52, 8 July 2018 (UTC)

it is NOT helpful to diffuse to city level. Category:English footballers was discussed in WP:Footy and the conclusion was NOT diffuse to city level and keeping both cat. footballers cat and football club cat are structurally similar and you will get the same answer in WP:Footy by starting a "new" discussion. Matthew_hk tc 14:55, 8 July 2018 (UTC)

Does the article https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phonex_Kipruto fulfill Wikipedia's notability criteria?

Dear User:Sillyfolkboy,

I created the article

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phonex_Kipruto

yesterday.

It would be nice, if you help me out, that the article's subject is worth mentioning with an encyclopedic entry.

In my pov, he does because >

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Notability_(sports)#Athletics/track_&_field_and_long-distance_running

...4. Has won an individual gold medal at the IAAF World Junior Championships, or Youth World Championships. ...

is something he did. Do you agree?

Regards, Da Vinci Nanjing (talk) 15:16, 22 September 2018 (UTC)

Template:TwoLeg start

Hi mate, I saw you updated Template:TwoLeg start a few years back so it was compatible with up to four legs. Would it be possible to make the titles of the extra legs customisable? For example, the 1956–57 European Cup saw a couple of ties finish level after the two legs, requiring a third "play-off" match to be played. This wouldn't typically be termed a "third leg", so the ability to modify the header of the table to use the correct nomenclature would be appreciated. – PeeJay 10:27, 20 April 2019 (UTC)

@PeeJay2K3: Hi there! Hope you're doing well. If I've correctly understood what you want to achieve, then I think the template already allows that if you add "|extra=Playoff" in the TwoLeg start header. I've updated the template documentation to show that scenario. Or is the issue that you would like the template to have a nameable third column while still allowing a extra "Notes" one? Let me know if you're finding any problems adding the info. Cheers! SFB 14:16, 20 April 2019 (UTC)

Doing alright thanks mate, hope you are too! That sounds pretty much exactly like what I was looking for. Will see if it works and get back to you when I’ve had a play. – PeeJay 15:03, 20 April 2019 (UTC)

2007 Arab Youth Athletics Championships

Hi, I am writing about Awad El Karim Makki in no-wiki, and I use Special:WhatLinksHere/Awad_El_Karim_Makki as a source. I find that he won three medals in 2007 Arab Youth Athletics Championships, an article that you have created. But, when I check the souces, I become unsure.... See this link. Here, they state that the 200/400 winner is Aouadh Mekki, born 1990. So, the name is close, but Awad El Karim Makki is born in 1992. How sure can we be that Awad El Karim Makki participated in 2007 Arab Youth Athletics Championships? Ssu (talk) 12:11, 8 May 2019 (UTC)

@Ssu: This is potentially a mismatch on my behalf. Arabic names are transliterated into Latin alphabet differently depending on the region, so in its native form "Aouadh Mekki" is actually the same name as "Awad Makki". Changes to dates of birth are also not uncommon in Makki's part of the world due to poor documentation.

It is entirely possible that there were two regionally successful Sudanese male 200/400 sprint specialists with the same name and a two-year age gap, who never competed against each other and one of whom ceased to compete at international level at very the same time that the other one started to compete internationally. I also think it's possible that at a small meeting on a weekend in Damascus in 2007, a volunteer made an error in the year of birth of one child or was provided with wrong documentation (note that many of the athletes have no year listed at all, reflecting the quality of this data). I think this is one of those questions that we'll never know the true answer to. We can only judge the balance of possibilities. Feel free to amend the athlete link in the article and leave a hidden note, or include it as you wish. It's a surprisingly common problem when you work with data at this level of the sport! SFB 17:39, 8 May 2019 (UTC)

I have tried to send email to Arab Athletics, and asked if they know. We'll see, maybe we will never know. Also, I am pretty sure he participated in the relays in the same championships, but I can not find any sources on this. It is very possible, as you say, that "Aouadh Mekki" is actually the same name as "Awad Makki", and that the 1990 year of birth is actually wrong. I will try to dig into this Ssu (talk) 18:09, 8 May 2019 (UTC)

I have created an article on no-wiki now, see no:Awad El Karim Makki, and I see now how many variants there are of his name; Aouadh Mekki, Karim Maki Awad, Aouadh El Karim Maki, Awad Makki, Awad ElKarim Maki, etc. Also, there is a "A. Melki" in the relays in the 2010 Arab Junior Championship, which I suspect is Awad Makki/Mekki... Ssu (talk) 10:22, 9 May 2019 (UTC)

@Ssu: Great work! Getting results from Arabic or Chinese normally takes me twice as long due to figuring out Latinizations, but there is really high benefit to that task because once done the results can be easily reused in many other languages. Relays are always hard to figure out when the full name isn't there. I usually take it for granted that the individual runner for a nation will also be in the relay team, because it is highly unusual for that not to be the case. SFB 18:55, 9 May 2019 (UTC)

Hanna Skydan

Dear User,

As I have learned Ukrainian, because I like very much this country, I perfectly know that Hanna Skydan is the usual way to render her Ukrainian name in the Latin alphabet. But since she has become Azerbaijani, her name in azeri is somehow different because of the prononciation rules. Azeri is directly written in Latin alphabet (now). And the federation of Azerbaijan 🇦🇿 uses the name written in Azeri, nevertheless you put the « English » version of their page ([3]).

As you may see on the good version : [4], in Azeri her name is Anna Skidan (with an i with a point on the capital).

I will not insist, but as always, my modification was not out of order.

Yours and thanks for your involvement in the project.-Binbaksa (talk) 23:37, 14 August 2019 (UTC)

@Binbaksa: I had to think a bit about this change because it is a complex matter, like you say! I decided to revert the change because very few English language sources use her new name at the moment. As outlined in Wikipedia:Article titles, preference is given to the most commonly used and recognised name of the subject (in this case, it is still Hanna Skydan).

There is also another factor that the IAAF has an open policy for athlete's to request their preferred name on their IAAF profile. At the moment the profile is also still Hanna Skydan. So, I decided to revert the move considering Wikipedia policy to use the most recognisable name, and the IAAF profile suggesting her old name is still her preferred name. Probably best to wait until she starts competing under her Azeri name, then it would be a good idea to move it to the new name.

I will also not be insistent if you disagree with that rationale, but glad you started the conversation anyway . I hope you are enjoying learning Ukrainian - new languages can be a door to another world! SFB 23:52, 14 August 2019 (UTC)

I am working for IAAF, in Monaco, and I must admit that the things are not like you think inside. There are mistakes, misspelling and other errors in the lists, especially in small countries. But we try to do our best, because the worldwide federation. Thank you for the encouraging in languages but I have learned so much with IAAF… English is not my best one.-Binbaksa (talk) 00:20, 15 August 2019 (UTC)

@Binbaksa: Your English seems just fine to me! I am aware there are some issues – is it possible for you to share some biography errors with the statistics team? If you look at d:Wikidata:Database reports/Constraint violations/P1146 you can see in the "Single value" violations section that there are 38 athletes who have duplicate IAAF profiles that need merging. Thanks! SFB

I have just exchanged with Carlo De Angeli, IAAF’s website (Athlete’s profile). He will check out, he said, and then will give some feedback (I hope so). Yours.-Arorae (talk) 11:18, 19 August 2019 (UTC)

Vandalism

You undid every single valid edit that I just made, because you are apparently unfamiliar with the manual of style. That is disgustingly, extraordinarily disruptive. Read MOS:BOLDAVOID, and do not ever behave in this way again. 51.7.23.38 (talk) 21:55, 28 August 2019 (UTC)

1989 CACC

Antonio Greene is listed as both the gold and silver medalist in decathlon. Also says that over at GBR Athletics. Geschichte (talk) 21:29, 21 September 2019 (UTC)

Mass draft moves for Doha 2019

Dear Sillyfolkboy.

As you may see and of course know, Doha 2019, the World Championships, will start very soon. As in the previous editions (2017, 2015, 2013 and so), each participant federation (210 countries in 2019) have a specific article, listing the athletes and the results for each. As I noticed that only a very few countries were already started (mainly the A letter), I give my help by editing 30-49 more countries, even completing or editing the articles already completed. So I am very big surprised and upset by this massive draft (asking me, for each country, to put the good sources on each, even when the sources are already put. I will take the exemple of Kiribati: except for the readers of Te Uekera (the weekly newspaper of Tarawa, not on Internet), no source will never speak about the 100 m of Tirioro Willie, even if he will break his personal best of 11.44. When I look at the previous editions (Kiribati at the 2017 World Championships in Athletics, there is nothing but the IAAF file. Am I wrong ? Could you explain that to the draft mover? Thanks in advance. Yours.-Arorae (talk) 15:08, 26 September 2019 (UTC)

@Arorae: Thanks for the note - I've not noticed a mass move to draft space, so we might only need to discuss this issue with the person who moved it. For example, I moved the India article back to mainspace, but the original had no sources so the move to draft was a fair one. All info was sourced in the Kiribati article, so I've moved that back to mainspace. It's not clear what improvement was required to make it a valid article.

My opinion on this type of article is that countries that typically send small delegations would be better served by an article at the overall championships level (e.g. Tuvalu at the World Championships in Athletics), rather than by year. The effort to create and maintain 200+ country articles for each championships is very high and I think directing our efforts to the "country at championships" level, then redirecting the year links to that article, would be a better use of our time. For example, 75% of nations at the 2019 World Championships in Athletics are sending fewer than ten athletes and 100 of the 209 nations are sending a single athlet. There is a clear need for an article on America's 159-athlete delegation for the 2019 World Championships, but an article for a delegation of one feels like overkill to me. SFB 18:40, 26 September 2019 (UTC)

101 delegations are of only one “best country athlete”, not 100 as you wrote, out of 210, and I agree with the fact that those 100 or 101 articles every two years are quite useless. But it was done like that for the previous editions. If you look to Indonesia (2 athletes), there is no link, no references, not a beginning of sourcing. But it was not moved to draft. I consider that there is an issue to a massive (in less than one minute, dozen of advices on my user page! Nobody, even a robot, could be so fast checking, of articles I have created (and most were already reviewed). That is unfair. And I have to say very discouraging. They were quite accurate (even if useless for one athlete only). But why starting to create one country article in … 2009 — for stopping it ten years later? I was not very involved with that in 2009. Thanks for Kiribati 🇰🇮 but I also confirm that it could be impossible to give a good source for Kiribati at all the World Championships. There are no records kept, only 2 paper newspapers, and no article that will cover the 2005-2019 period. Imho. So if I agree with you for the USA 160-délégation or Italy 66-delegation or Qatar 18-delegation. What about the 2 delegates of Indonesia or even the 1 BCA that won a medal ? Thanks for your interest and your feedback.-Arorae (talk) 19:39, 26 September 2019 (UTC)

I did not create the India article. All the articles I have created were at least sourced with IAAF Entry Lists (and some even more).-Arorae (talk) 19:42, 26 September 2019 (UTC)

@Arorae: I agree that the new "Draft space" process is not very helpful and can be difficult to navigate, for both veteran and new editors. I have started a conversation at the WikiProject page to get input from more people. It is not pleasant to work on articles that other people later decide to throw away – this is what happens when topics are subjected to the idea of notability. There are other solutions available for adding this detail, like 2018 FIFA World Cup squads for instance. I hope the discussion helps us reach a solution where we can be confident that our work will remain free to the public SFB 19:51, 26 September 2019 (UTC)

It's now (finally) World Athletics Championships!

First of all, congratulations for the dirty job, but I wanted to ask you two things. You give me the link to the discussion on the move decision, I didn't find it. What will happen to the editions from 1983 to 2017? --Kasper2006 (talk) 05:31, 29 September 2019 (UTC)

@Kasper2006: Hi there, hope you're doing well! Looking at the article history, it was dealt with as a technical request rather than a full discussion. I am fine with that as World Athletics Championships is the official name and should be for some time. In terms of historic articles, the normal approach is to leave the titles as they were at the time, rather than moving old pages to the new name. Category:IAAF World Race Walking Team Championships is good example to follow. Pages that refer only to historic championships should remain unchanged and pages that include 2019 onwards championships should be renamed, thus Category:Events at the 2017 World Championships in Athletics should be a child category of Category:Events at the World Athletics Championships. SFB 11:51, 29 September 2019 (UTC)

Hyphens

The hyphens you keep adding are not necessary or grammatical when "middle distance" and "long distance" are not used as a modifier.--- Coffeeandcrumbs 14:22, 29 September 2019 (UTC)

@Coffeeandcrumbs: That's not essentially true. There is mixed usage of hyphens for middle/long(-)distance in general usage and this fact is also reflected in reference works, e.g. [5][6]. In athletics, middle- and long-distance are explicitly and frequently used as modifiers to refer to those events and the athletes, hence why it has emerged as the standard across the article set and its category trees. For that reason, I typically follow that style when writing the term in athletics articles, in order to prevent grammatical editwars. Seems like I haven't succeeded on that front in this instance SFB 14:36, 29 September 2019 (UTC)

That is, of course, true when followed by a noun, like in the article Long-distance running, but in this instance there is no subsequent noun. If the headers were titled "Middle-distance events", I would agree with you completely. --- Coffeeandcrumbs 14:49, 29 September 2019 (UTC)

@Coffeeandcrumbs: Ah of course, hadn't thought about that to be honest – feel free to set the headers with "events" or hyphenless as you prefer. Cheers! SFB 15:00, 29 September 2019 (UTC)

Sarswati Chaudhary

Hello, I am sorry for the page move. I assure you, It won't happen again. Thank you for your revert move. Kind regards, — Tulsi Bhagat (contribs | talk) 06:04, 15 October 2019 (UTC)

@Tulsi Bhagat: No need to apologise at all. My first thought was also a spelling mistake in the athlete's name, but we don't have sources to support that at the moment. Thanks for creating the politician's article! SFB 00:13, 16 October 2019 (UTC)

IAAF Testosterone Rule

Actually the article is largely the cumulative work of about four other editors as a section of Caster Semenya. As the necessity of the subject expanded beyond her, affecting the World Championships, I procured that section, rewrote and supplemented it to cover the other athletes affected.Trackinfo (talk) 04:53, 29 October 2019 (UTC)

Esmail Ghaani

Hello! I'd like to discuss the deletion of 569 bytes from the subsection Iranian presence in Syria. Your summary was, "remove detail on Houla killings - unclear how this specifically relates to Iran or Quds force". I don't disagree that the specific relation with Ghaani's quote may be contentious, but I disagree with the act of totally removing it. If articles on wikipedia only included circumstances or quotes which are clearly causally related, then much historical context would be lost. It is enough to have plausible linkage, and have that conjecture be supported by a secondary source, instead of removing it completely. For example, the article about Stuxnet included the fact that "two Iranian nuclear scientists were targeted in separate, but nearly simultaneous car bomb attacks" on the same day that president Ahmadinejad announced that a computer virus had attacked the Natanz nuclear facility. The link between Stuxnet and the car bombings was never clearly established, but a speculative link to the Iranian government made by Wired was allowed to be included in the article.

In the subsection Iranian presence in Syria, conjecture is being made by U.S. Department of State spokeswoman Victoria Nuland. The name of the source article is even called "Media Watch | Iran's Alleged Role in Syrian Massacre". The incident of the Houla massacre is central to the controversy of potential Iranian involvement because the U.S. State Department via Nuland asserted that Iran helped train the fighters responsible. If this context is removed, then the meaning of the rest of the subsection is fundamentally changed. Do you have a counterargument as to why this context shouldn't be included? Best, Amanda.Yaya99 (talk) 02:16, 7 January 2020 (UTC)

@Amanda.Yaya99: I've reordered the statements to improve the flow and show who was making the connection between the Shabiha and the Quds Force. It's important to present it that way, otherwise the initial ordering suggested Ghaani was making a statement of direct involvement in Houla, rather than Quds and the Shabiha militia being allied but independent actors. Thanks! SFB 20:26, 7 January 2020 (UTC)

Scott Martin (thrower)

Hello Sillyfolkboy,

I noticed that you moved Scott Martin (athlete) to Scott Martin (thrower). I feel that the attribute thrower is an unusual term to refer to an athlete. As there are no other athletes with this name, I prefer to keep it at athlete. Inwind (talk) 06:52, 20 January 2020 (UTC)

@Inwind: Hi there! I typically move athletes to their event-level disambiguation handle when there are other athletes with the same name (Scott Martin (footballer) and Scott Martin (racing driver) in this case), as the word "athlete" isn't sufficient to fully disambiguate the people for some audiences. As Scott Martin the track and field athlete seems to have had equal success in shot put and discus, I went for the more generic "thrower". Similar issues exist for other people, such as Mamadou Gueye (jumper). It's a non-standard handle, but makes the best of a difficult job I think. If you know if Martin is more famous as a shot putter or a discus thrower then feel free to move to those handles instead. Cheers! SFB 22:10, 21 January 2020 (UTC)

Thanks

Hi. Thanks for your help with the articles for the two Belgian Olympians at AfD. Much appreciated. As a side note, I've always read your name as forkboy until now! :D Lugnuts ^{Fire Walk with Me} 16:37, 4 March 2020 (UTC)

@Lugnuts: No problem! It is quite an odd username now I barely touch folk music articles :D I considered changing it a while back but it seems more hassle than it's worth at this stage.

It will be interesting to see where the Olympics discussions go. Personally I see no problem with the approach of redirects to either Belgium at the 1928 Summer Olympics or a "List of competitors at X Games" where we have little additional information. Now we have Wikidata, the most basic database-esque stub articles are not of much value in themselves. Looking at how French Wikipedia uses Wikidata already[7], it is not a lot of extra effort to auto-generate this kind of information from Wikidata on the fly either. All the fuss about notability of Wikipedia article topics is a bit passé now that I could feasibly qualify for a Wikidata entry. I'm far more interested in getting Olympic results loaded onto Wikidata so we don't have constantly build and edit them in all languages! SFB 17:13, 4 March 2020 (UTC)

What a funny thing

You had proposed to merge a category of athletes to sportspeople and while you were convinced that it could still be as it was (in fact you added the model that explains why athetes are sportspeople of the sports of athletics), the people of Wikipedia got up for the cancellation of germanophone :O :D But that wasn't what you meant. ;) --Kasper2006 (talk) 11:09, 7 March 2020 (UTC)

@Kasper2006: To be honest, I did recognise that opening the discussion on the athlete category had the potential to become a wider discussion on the Germanophone tree. I would support the continued existence of the Category:Germanophone Italian people category, or the creation of an article like List of Germanophone Italian people if there is no support for a category. Ultimately this discussion is now about whether "Germanophone Italian sportsperson" is a "defining characteristic" per Wikipedia:Categorization. It's clear from the comments that some people feel that concept is about as defining as Category:Sportspeople called Gertrud. SFB 13:29, 7 March 2020 (UTC)

I guessed it SFB, and now we got into trouble :) --Kasper2006 (talk) 16:11, 7 March 2020 (UTC)

Canada at the World Championships in Athletics

Hello, I'm contacting you as the project co-ordinator for WikiProject Athletics regarding an annoyance. Last week I was looking at the World Championships in Athletics article, and noticed that there wasn't an article for "Canada at the World Championships in Athletics," although there were such articles for other countries. As a Canadian, I thought I should fix that, so I did, following the format for Sweden at the World Championships in Athletics. Took some time, but was happy to do it. Then after I published it, someone put it into "Draft" status because there weren't enough references. I was annoyed about that, because it's a list of articles / information already listed on Wikipedia, and moreover, follows the same format as other such articles that also don't references. "What the what?" was my reaction. Anyway, my point here is that my messages to the Wikipedian who "Draft"-ed the article have gone unheeded, and as athletics isn't really my area and I've no desire to get into a fight about this article, I thought I would bring this to your attention, and if you see fit, you could un-"Draft" the article: Draft:Canada at the World Championships in Athletics. Cheers. --Trb333 (talk) 19:46, 30 March 2020 (UTC)

@Trb333: Hi there! Thanks for the heads up. There is a policy on Wikipedia that all non-trivial additions to an article must include a source so others can verify that information. Fortunately, World Athletics publishes a statistical handbook every couple of years that includes all the information you've gathered in this article. I've added that to the page and moved Canada at the World Athletics Championships to the the main space. It's worth saying that we shouldn't rely on other Wikipedia articles to back up our facts, we should use the sources in them to gather the facts directly. This helps prevent duplication of errors or sneaked-in vandalism. Great work on the article by the way – that type of article is one many have not quite found the time to get around to yet but I'm sure lots of people will be interested in reading it! SFB 22:22, 30 March 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for all that. Didn't know about the handbook, and didn't fancy looking up references for all the medalists. Summary articles are certainly helpful, and I was surprised that there wasn't one for Canadian athletes. Am happy there is now. Cheers. --Trb333 (talk) 23:48, 30 March 2020 (UTC)

Desktop improvements prototype

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Edits

Hi! I made some additional edits to the swimming articles, providing more info about participating teams. With regard to this boxer, the problem is that Soviet athletes were state-sponsored, hence not amateurs, though I think we can put the word Olympic in the lead. source Thank you! Spdslecturer (talk) 11:15, 12 April 2020 (UTC)

@Spdslecturer: I appreciate the term is quite confusing, but amateur boxing is a form of boxing rather than a statement of whether the athlete is receiving support for taking part in boxing or not. Virtually all amateur boxers are supported by national organisations and grants to engage in the sport in some way, so I don't think we need to state anything about the income of any boxer taking part in the amateur form of the sport. Indeed, several people who worked in professional boxing have returned to compete in amateur boxing. SFB 11:28, 12 April 2020 (UTC)

Ok, that's fair enough. Thanks for replying! Spdslecturer (talk) 11:30, 12 April 2020 (UTC)

Lusophony is not a word in English

I'm writing because you made the original revert back from my change of "Lusophony Games" to "Lusophone Games." As I just wrote to another editor who has tried to make the same change, I checked the Oxford English Dictionary before I made the initial edit. I have just checked it again, and it says the following: "No dictionary entries found for ‘lusophony’ Did you mean: lusophone". Wikipedia is supposed to be based on actual scholarship, not words that editors make up without checking recognized authoritative sources on the English language. The term 'lusophony' does not appear anywhere prior to its coinage in Wikipedia. The term "lusofonia" is perfectly good Portuguese, but it is not English. The English word is "lusophone." I will change this back when I have time after the semester is over, since you have wasted my time with your arbitrary change which you made without checking sources. That is not scholarship. Bruxism (talk) 05:47, 21 April 2020 (UTC)

Can you tell me why you created Dazza?

I'm trying to figure out the page Dazza and it redirects with Darren. I've done searches and I can't find any real support for it. Can you please tell me how you came up with it? The reason I ask is that it's been the subject of a great deal of vandalism. thx ToeFungii (talk) 01:55, 5 May 2020 (UTC)

I finally found it although it was tough. So it's what someone from Australia uses a nickname for Darren. Never heard of it before. Does it really warranted a redirect though? I don't know but could you tell me why? ToeFungii (talk) 02:10, 5 May 2020 (UTC)

@ToeFungii: Dazza (Darren), Shazza (Sharon), Bazza (Barry), Gazza (Gary). These are all very common short versions of these names used by many thousands of people every day in Britain. (As are Daz, Shaz, Baz and Gaz). You just have to be white working class to be aware of that SFB 16:24, 5 May 2020 (UTC)

Featuring your work on Wikipedia's front page: DYKs

Thank you for your recent articles, including Volksgenosse, which I read with interest. When you create an extensive and well referenced article, you may want to have it featured on Wikipedia's main page in the Did You Know section. Articles included there will be read by thousands of our viewers. To do so, add your article to the list at T:TDYK. Let me know if you need help, _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 10:33, 14 May 2020 (UTC)

List of winners of the Boston Marathon

Thanks for your detailed review of this list at Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/List of winners of the Boston Marathon/archive3. I am currently leaning towards withdrawing the nomination to allow a discussion and possible complete overhaul of the list and its format. Depending on how that process goes, a similar overhaul may be necessary for the other marathon majors, as you have suggested. My concern is that adding the other categories you raised would make this list article excessively long, so I wonder if we would be best served splitting it down into multiple different lists List of winners of the Boston Marathon (open division), List of winners of the Boston Marathon (wheelchair division), List of winners of the Boston Marathon (masters division), List of winners of the Boston Marathon (handcycle division) for example. I think that having them all on the one page is likely to make it too unwieldy: what do you think? Harrias ^talk 12:46, 18 June 2020 (UTC)

@Harrias: I appreciate I raised a lot of questions there! There is no rush from me if you want to leave the Featured List nomination open for a while so discussion on the approach can happen in the meantime.

In terms of list splitting, I think from a reader perspective one would definitely appreciate having the open, wheelchair and handcycle winners on the same list, as those categories receive official winner ceremonies and get news coverage. I've no opposition to the splitting off (or exclusion) of the masters divisions – masters sport, with its many categories, is by its nature unwieldy and is the aspect most likely to overload the reader if included. SFB 18:30, 19 June 2020 (UTC)

DYK for Joseph Ngolepus

On 18 July 2020, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Joseph Ngolepus, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that Joseph Ngolepus finished third at the 2003 London Marathon, one second behind the winner, in the closest London Marathon finish in history? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Joseph Ngolepus. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, Joseph Ngolepus), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

Cwmhiraeth (talk) 12:01, 18 July 2020 (UTC)

Shelly-Ann Fraser-Pryce

Hello there. I saw that you have been involved in a few articles relating to athletics, specifically the great man himself, Usain Bolt. Absolutely no rush on this, but I was wondering if when you have a moment, you could please take a quick glance at Bolt's female counterpart Shelly-Ann Fraser-Pryce (sadly, not many people know about her). Will eventually try to get it up to featured article status, but I think it could use a fresh pair of eyes, with the main focus being the prose/copy edit. Again, no rush, and if you're busy, that's Ok. Just been reading the article on Bolt, and the prose is top notch! Thanks. Journalist . talk 16:38, 21 July 2020 (UTC)

@Journalist: Hi there! Of course I'll take a look for you. Have you responded to the previous comments on the review? Just want to make sure I'm not duplicating review efforts. SFB 20:46, 22 July 2020 (UTC)

Thank you for your help. Much appreciated. 99% of the comments are already addressed. The reviewer recommended that I change the headline as well, but I'm leaning towards keeping it as is, because it flows better in my opinion. But let me know what you think as well. Thanks again. Journalist . talk 22:42, 22 July 2020 (UTC)

DYK for Death of Olaseni Lewis

On 6 August 2020, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Death of Olaseni Lewis, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that after the death of Olaseni Lewis, who was restrained by 11 police officers, UK law was changed to require police to wear body cameras when dealing with vulnerable people? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Death of Olaseni Lewis. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, Death of Olaseni Lewis), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

Cwmhiraeth (talk) 12:02, 6 August 2020 (UTC)

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category:British male sprinters

Regarding [8][9] ...

If Category:Welsh male sprinters Category:Scottish male sprinters etc are intended to be non-diffusing of Category:British male sprinters, please tag them as such with {{Non-diffusing subcategory}}, per WP:DUPCAT. Mitch Ames (talk) 23:39, 20 December 2020 (UTC)

• @Mitch Ames: Thanks for the tip! This applies to many other events too, though the volume of athlete categories means this will be quite a bit of work! I'll look to see if we can do an automated solution to the issue once I've finished adding all the British national champion footers. Thanks! SFB 20:13, 21 December 2020 (UTC)

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@Laslovarga: Ah, that is a shame... Thanks for the help anyway and happy new year to you! SFB 18:21, 31 December 2020 (UTC)