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User:$uperFan32

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4 days ago, User:Bovineboy2008 warned User:$uperFan32 about potential disruptive edits on List of horror films of 2020 and A Quiet Place Part II. I would like to have a comment from you on this particular issue and what, if anything, should be done about this. I will notify User:Bovineboy2008 on this matter. Cardei012597 (talk) 06:38, 5 September 2020 (UTC)

I know it irritating, but this one looks like another good-faith, if not misguided, mistake. I don’t think it’s be right to indef him over something like this. Publishing another garbage draft? Sure, he’s done that way too many times. But this? I don’t think this has so much been an issue before. Sergecross73 msg me 14:58, 5 September 2020 (UTC)
User:$uperFan32 published another draft article, that was clearly not ready, today. He recieved a notice at User talk:$uperFan32#Your submission at Articles for creation: The X's (upcoming film) (September 8). It is really getting bothersome. Cardei012597 (talk) 06:11, 9 September 2020 (UTC)
Agreed, that draft is ludicrous. That one goes directly against past warnings and blocks, so I’ve reblocked. Sergecross73 msg me 13:36, 9 September 2020 (UTC)

Assistance with an Article for Creation

Latest comment: 4 years ago9 comments3 people in discussion

Hello Sergecross!

I am not sure if you saw the ping from the admin Ferret, but he recommended that I ask for your help with my Article for Creation! I read your user page and I think your interest in 90s rock is applicable to this discussion. I am here to ask for assistance with the article for Kurt Kerns (Draft:Kurt Kerns) who was a member of the rock band Gravity Kills in the 90s and since then has gone on to become a notable architect which is what I believe merits him a separate article from the Gravity Kills page.

The AfC was recently Rejected, and the editor said that he was not convinced of notability, and I should try to ask another editor for their opinion. I would love for you to take a look at the page if you have time and let me know what you think! If you look at the draft's talk page, you can see the dialogue I had with the other editor about the AfC meeting the WP:AUTHOR guidelines, and his reasoning for Rejecting. I do not agree with the editor's reasonings, and I am interested in what you think of this issue.

Any assistance would be much appreciated, and I look forward to receiving your input. Thank you!

Calvin Foss (talk) 20:53, 10 September 2020 (UTC)

I’m disappointed in myself, I don’t recall this band. (I thought I had, but I was thinking of Mad at Gravity.) I will take a look into it. It can be a hard sell to be a notable drummer by Wikipedia standards unless you’re really huge or prolific (think John Bonham or Josh Freese) but I can take a look at his other professional work too. There’s various quick clean-up things you can do to help make it look better for review too. (Removing any unsourced content, fixing the section headings, etc) too. Sergecross73 msg me 22:23, 11 September 2020 (UTC)
Important to note while I pinged you for your musical expertese, the COI editor has shopped around quite a bit and already has declines from at least 5 editors. -- ferret (talk) 22:27, 11 September 2020 (UTC)
Thanks for the heads up. I had noticed the shopping around earlier, but not all the declines... Sergecross73 msg me 22:28, 11 September 2020 (UTC)
Sergecross73, I actually just received a green light from FULBERT who edited the draft to follow Wikipedia guidelines more clearly, and I would love for you to take another look at it if you have time! I am not employed by Kerns, I am just doing this as something I am interested in, and the COI is due to the fact that I know Kerns personally. The initial two declines on the article came when I was still working on writing the article, and it had nowhere near enough content. I hope that clarifies the situation more, and thanks again! Calvin Foss (talk) 19:27, 20 September 2020 (UTC)
There's been zero change to the sourcing situation of this draft. Fulbert just adjusted some of the flow by moving existing text. The only sourcing added since the last decline is an interview, which is a primary source and does not help in establishing notability. -- ferret (talk) 20:02, 20 September 2020 (UTC)
ferret According to Wikipedia's General notability guideline, the sourcing for an article should show that there is "significant coverage" of the topic "in reliable sources that are independent of the subject." Given the numerous articles cited which primarily cover Kerns, I believe the significant coverage aspect is clearly met. The reliability of the sources which are cited is up to the discretion of who is reading them, but I found articles from reputable news organizations in St. Louis including the St. Louis Post-Dispatch, St. Louis Construction News and Review, St. Louis Small Business Monthly, and St. Louis Business Journal which is part of the American City Business Journals. The issue of being independent from the subject is shown through the cited sources being from "newspaper reporters covering a story that they are not involved in except in their capacity as a reporter" (which is wording directly from WP:INDEPENDENT). While many of the sources are indeed primary and not secondary, they still provide evidence that the article's topic is notable, as the WP:GNG does not mandate that secondary sources alone make a subject notable, only that they should be used to demonstrate notability. Additionally, Kerns has coverage in a book which I cited that "provides an author's own thinking based on primary sources," which is a secondary source, although not necessarily independent. As per WP:ANYBIO, Kerns received two separate well known awards, which I noted in References 6 and 12 in the article. Additionally, WP:AUTHOR requires that a creative professional's work (or works) has received significant critical attention. As an architect, Kerns falls under the category of creative professional, and the numerous primary sources provide significant critical attention as they include multiple independent periodical articles or reviews. Maybe I am missing something, but this article's topic appears to meet the notability guideline.Calvin Foss (talk) 20:51, 20 September 2020 (UTC)
I'm more than adequately versed in policy, thanks. The sourcing present in the article is the same as was present when it was last declined, and when the last 4-5 editors you additionally approached agreed with the decline. Almost everything said above is wrong, so I'm not sure where to begin. GNG absolutely requires secondary, not primary, sourcing. ANYBIO covers well known awards. "40 under 40" is a newspaper listicle, not a well known award. "Best Places to Work" is hardly an well known and reputable award, but even if it was, it was given to the business, not him. -- ferret (talk) 22:11, 20 September 2020 (UTC)
I can see an argument for potential, but I’d have to side with the others on the stance that it’s not there yet. It doesn’t appear that any of his time in a band really contributes to his notability (the band is notable, though he doesn’t appear to any independent notability from it) and the business side coverage appears to be most interviews or not quite quite at the level were looking for (local coverage, minor awards, etc). I don’t think it’s fruitless to pursue, but I don’t think it’s there yet, and I think if it’s published as is it’ll just be sent right to WP:AFD considering how many people have voiced opposition on this. Sergecross73 msg me 17:19, 21 September 2020 (UTC)

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Thanks

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Thanks for exempting me from the page protection at Shadow the Hedgehog. Cheers, The Irate Communist (talk) 17:07, 18 October 2020 (UTC)

No problem, but please, try to work with Joebro. He generally knows what he’s talking about. We jointly watch over a lot of the Sonic content on Wikipedia. I just don’t have much interest in Shadow, so he covers that one. Sergecross73 msg me 17:10, 18 October 2020 (UTC)
I left a message on his talk page about the subsections I attempted to add, currently waiting on a response. I was just getting frustrated that my edits were getting reverted without an edit summary. Sorry for the mess on List of Sonic the Hedgehog characters as well. I'll take your advice into account next time. Cheers, The Irate Communist (talk) 19:04, 18 October 2020 (UTC)

Your thoughts on this

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Would you mind to look at this diff? That user seem to misunderstood the guideline that they cited and seems to be making up rules like "All games MUST use only Metacritic unless Metacritic doesn't have a score for that particular game,". Rulforth (talk) 01:53, 19 October 2020 (UTC)

That user also seems to say the opposite of the very guideline that they cited, which clearly states: "GameRankings is mainly useful for older games". Rulforth (talk) 01:56, 19 October 2020 (UTC)

Draft:Luigi’s Mansion Trailer

Latest comment: 4 years ago4 comments3 people in discussion

Do you know what's going on with Draft:Luigi’s Mansion Trailer? "This is totally not a hoax, so don't delete this" kind of sets off warning bells for me. NinjaRobotPirate (talk) 14:51, 21 October 2020 (UTC)

@NinjaRobotPirate: The youtube link at the bottom goes to a channel that clearly states "This is NOT real." G3 it.-- ferret (talk) 15:08, 21 October 2020 (UTC)
Deleted, warned. Sergecross73 msg me 15:25, 21 October 2020 (UTC)
FYI, I blocked the IP because they made the hoax again at Draft:Luigi’s Mansion Maker. Sergecross73 msg me 12:32, 23 October 2020 (UTC)

Blood & Stone

Latest comment: 4 years ago3 comments2 people in discussion

Hi. I'm leaving you this message because I see that you have contributed to other Sevendust articles. I have recently removed the redirect for the Blood & Stone article since the album was released yesterday, and I was wondering if you would like to help contribute to the article so that it doesn't get redirected again. My comfortability in editing is somewhat restricted to tracklisting and liner notes, so I wanted to reach out to other editors for help with the other areas of the article. Thanks in advance. Stellar420 (talk) 20:26, 24 October 2020 (UTC)

Hey there. Yes, I’ll try to help some. That was one I planned on creating at one point. My time for Wikipedia may be hit or miss a bit in the next week, but I’ll try. I’ll add sources to the talk page too. It’s notable and shouldn’t be redirected. I’ll fight it if someone challenges it. Sergecross73 msg me 22:06, 24 October 2020 (UTC)
Thanks so much. It's actually just been redirected again, so I'll need your back-up. Thanks. Stellar420 (talk) 13:34, 25 October 2020 (UTC)

i need you to look at this source i got over 3d all stars on the switch page

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i left it under the 3d all stars section — Preceding unsigned comment added by 158.135.162.22 (talk) 15:13, 26 October 2020 (UTC) i cant edit the page — Preceding unsigned comment added by 158.135.162.22 (talk) 03:07, 31 October 2020 (UTC)

Look over source for best selling consoles page

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Hello! I submitted an edit request, and you said I need more sources, I have them now. Please reireview my request, thanks! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Zach710032 (talk • contribs) 13:15, 28 October 2020 (UTC)

Vivian (Paper Mario)

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Vivian (Paper Mario), an article that you or your project may be interested in, has been nominated for a community good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the reassessment page. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article. Le Panini (Talk tome?) 15:18, 27 October 2020 (UTC)

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Shannon's Quote

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Thank you for removing Shannon's quote. I was debating if I should keep it, but I'm glad you made that decision on my behalf. --GSWikiChampion (talk) 19:49, 2 November 2020 (UTC)

No problem. Thanks for working on the article. I created it and wrote much of it back in the day around the time of release, but never circled back with newer developments like you have recently. Sergecross73 msg me 19:53, 2 November 2020 (UTC)
Thank you! I've been on a mission to get When Legends Rise and all its related articles updated. Bulletproof was in a good shape to begin with, but both When Legends Rise (song) and Under Your Scars were redirecting to the album's wiki page. Unforgettable (Godsmack song) was in a slightly better shape, but that's not saying much. Please feel free to take a look at those pages and make any changes you see fit. --GSWikiChampion (talk) 20:23, 2 November 2020 (UTC)

About my recent edit on Xenoblade Chronicles article

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Hello, about my recent edit on Xenoblade Chronicles, sorry for messing it up. I left my messages in the talk page as well. My idea was that adding Xenoblade Chronicles Definitive Edition as its own section, similar to how Mario & Luigi: Superstar Saga added the 3DS version of the game Mario & Luigi: Superstar Saga + Bowser's Minions. Because XCDE and this game have many similarities on their re-release. And my concern was the current form will make those who view the article thinking XCDE is just a typical re-release but it actually isn't.

And I also noticed the article now has first paragraph called XCDE a remaster, in the Rerelease section it is expanded remaster, and in the last Legacy section it's called a remake. Do you think it's better if not calling XCDE remaster or remake is a better solution? Since many reviews on the game some call it remaster, some expanded re-release, one source even call it a port. Sponge123 (talk) 06:28, 3 November 2020 (UTC)

resubmitting Shunu Records article

Latest comment: 3 years ago2 comments2 people in discussion

Hello Serge! I'd like to resubmit an article for Shunu Records (https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Shunu_Records&action=edit&redlink=1) which you deleted 5 years ago. How can I make sure to write one that can stay on Wikipedia? Thank you! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ace-scmf (talk • contribs) 19:24, 13 November 2020 (UTC)

Hello. Please see my general response for when people ask about why I deleted their article. That should be a good starting point at least. Sergecross73 msg me 19:42, 13 November 2020 (UTC)

Discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Video games § Revisiting the Sonic the Hedgehog and Sakura Wars GT/FT proposals

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  You are invited to join the discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Video games § Revisiting the Sonic the Hedgehog and Sakura Wars GT/FT proposals. Lord Sjones23 (talk - contributions) 20:00, 4 November 2020 (UTC)

Sorry, I hope I did not upset you with my stance on this. You just happened to hit on one of my pet peeves... Sergecross73 msg me 01:56, 10 November 2020 (UTC)
No hard feelings. I'm only trying to help, as usual; hitting on one of your pet peeves was not intended on my part. I understand where you are coming from regarding my withdrawn merger of the Episode 4 articles; it's probably better to leave it separated. Part of the reason why I wasn’t super active is because I had some real-life issues to deal with over the past few months. Other than that, I hope you are doing well. Best wishes, Lord Sjones23 (talk - contributions) 22:18, 13 November 2020 (UTC)

My Sonic 3C page

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Why you would like to delete my new page , actually it isn't fully finished yet , and I will continue the page one by one so the page itself can growing .... From : Mightybread98

Was there something you didn’t understand about my talk page message to you? We don’t make separate articles for demos and prototype video games, we just mention it at its respective article (Sonic 3 in this case). Additionally, everything needs to be written according to what reliable sources say. Not only are your articles largely not sourced, but you’re not using acceptable sources either. You have to use sources by professional writers, not Sonic fansites or open - wikis like “The Cutting Room Floor” (TCRF). These are really like, the very most basic parts of editing Wikipedia, so I strongly recommend learning more before trying to create any more articles. Articles like the ones you’re making are going to be deleted every time experienced editors notice them because they stick out like a sore thumb. Sergecross73 msg me 15:02, 21 November 2020 (UTC)

atari 7800 sales

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so i was looking around to see if i could find anything on the sales of the 7800 and i found this which is just a picture of a press release from Atari

https://atariage.com/forums/uploads/monthly_01_2008/post-9346-1201143700.jpg — Preceding unsigned comment added by 158.135.162.22 (talk) 21:25, 21 November 2020 (UTC)

Vandalism pt 24

Latest comment: 3 years ago79 comments12 people in discussion

Serge's 24th iteration of his own personal WP:AIV and WP:RFPP. Feel free to report anything you feel may need admin intervention. Sergecross73 msg me 23:42, 27 May 2020 (UTC)

--ThomasO1989 (talk) 22:18, 22 July 2020 (UTC)

Hey Mr. Serge. Wanted to let you know that 75.88.93.96 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · filter log · WHOIS · RDNS · RBLs · http · block user · block log) (I'm new to the IP vandal thing, so please excuse me if I did it wrong) is adding this game to the list which upon taking a closer look, it doesn't seem to have any indication of a Switch release, or not any sources prove this game even exists. I was going to politely ask that he prove this exists in some source that's deem reliable, but I held off on it because I don't know what to say, and thought I would ask you to take it off my hands since you're more experienced than I am. As far as that unannounced game, I looked it up and it says nothing about a Switch or game release. Zacharyalejandro (talk) 20:21, 25 July 2020 (UTC)

Hi Zachary. Thanks for letting me know. I agree, I can’t find any source to verify that game’s existence either. Let me know anyone else tries to add it, and I’ll talk with them. Thanks! Sergecross73 msg me 22:54, 25 July 2020 (UTC)
I blocked this IP separately from this discussion after seeing them on my watchlist, they're evading a block on another IP for spamming other unsourced/hoax edits. -- ferret (talk) 00:35, 26 July 2020 (UTC)
I must be missing something, because that IP has 1 edit and 0 blocks... Sergecross73 msg me 00:54, 26 July 2020 (UTC)
Whoops, you're right. It's the same guy but not the one I blocked. The others are 98.21.196.230 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · filter log · WHOIS · RDNS · RBLs · http · block user · block log) and 75.89.207.55 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · filter log · WHOIS · RDNS · RBLs · http · block user · block log) -- ferret (talk) 01:23, 26 July 2020 (UTC)
  • Not necessarily vandalism, but there's an IP user at Talk:Luigi who keeps making edit requests, presumably to add bogus info to the article. A new user Rowbro edited the page minutes after the IP, also making a request, so it's likely the same person. --ThomasO1989 (talk) 06:25, 29 July 2020 (UTC)
  • Ive added it to my watchlist to help with. It’s hard to do too much since the page protection is protecting the article, but I can start warning the person to stop at least. Sergecross73 msg me 23:42, 31 July 2020 (UTC)
  • I've blocked 1 week. More may be required, but I didn't quite feel like indefing yet. He got one more edit in while I was blocking and based on that I'm just going to indef. -- ferret (talk) 00:03, 6 August 2020 (UTC)
@Ferret: He's already threatening legal action on his talk page... --ThomasO1989 (talk) 00:44, 6 August 2020 (UTC)
TPA revoked. -- ferret (talk) 00:57, 6 August 2020 (UTC)
Sorry I missed all of that. Yikes. I would have done the same as Ferret. Sergecross73 msg me 02:04, 7 August 2020 (UTC)

I don't know what to do here, but could you please mention this user about the references to Wikipedia articles. I believe some people still don't know this yet. I really wish we could page protect this, honestly, this is starting to get me way out of mind. I had a troublesome past few weeks. Could we please, page protect game lists? Thanks. Zacharyalejandro (talk) 01:45, 11 August 2020 (UTC)

@Zacharyalejandro: You've been told this before, but the IP was not "wrong". That's the normal correct way that Wikipedia articles should be referenced. What we do at the Nintendo Switch list is abnormal and not strictly supported by policy, but we do it anyways for size reasons. Expecting every possible editor to know that the list is being edited in an atypical way is unreasonable. We absolutely cannot protect the article as there's no disruption or vandalism occurring. To do so because an IP followed normal sourcing rules would actually get me or Serge in trouble. -- ferret (talk) 01:57, 11 August 2020 (UTC)
What ferret said. Zachary, I’ve said the same thing in the past. I don’t know how to break it down into terms you’ll understand. I mean, seriously, do you check the talk page of every single article you edit before making an edit every single time to make sure there aren’t any counterintuitive sourcing practices going on? Of course not. So you can’t blame random passerby editors for it either. You only have a right to be upset if it’s the same editor who keeps doing it even after when they’ve been informed. That’s when action can be taken. Sergecross73 msg me 02:17, 11 August 2020 (UTC)
Can we have at least one admin take watch on the page almost every day, not 24/7 though? Zacharyalejandro (talk) 03:00, 11 August 2020 (UTC)
I mean, I edit virtually every day, and it’s on my watchlist. Same with ferret. And the article sees very little disruption that isn’t rectified relatively quickly. If it’s stressing you out, take a break from it and others can take care of it. But the list is already generally pretty well watched over and maintained. Sergecross73 msg me 03:39, 11 August 2020 (UTC)
  • An IP editor keeps removing/altering the wording regarding some of Koichi Sugiyama's political beliefs on his article by claiming its "blatant propaganda lacking proper sources". While the entire section is sourced, the editor has made zero effort to find better ones if that was his actual goal and not removing info because he doesn't agree with it, so I'm not sure if the page should be protected or the IP editor warned/blocked. ~ Dissident93 (talk) 20:32, 31 October 2020 (UTC)
  Done Sergecross73 msg me 14:08, 3 November 2020 (UTC)
Protected long-term. Looks like the most recent page protection was me doing it for an entire year, so it seems like nothing has changed... Sergecross73 msg me 01:53, 10 November 2020 (UTC)
  • Hi Artemis. I’m happy to help. I’ve protected Unleashed, because there’s been a lot of back and forth about the release dates. For Advance, I’m going to wait a bit first. I don’t think there’s quite enough of a pattern of problems quite yet. (It’s not far off though.) Back to Unleashed - I watch over that page, and have seen the issues, but quite frankly, I don’t know which release dates are correct. Do you have any sources for them? Specifically, it seems the Japanese dates are most contentious. Sergecross73 msg me 01:24, 17 November 2020 (UTC)
  • Thank you very much. But yes,Japanese release date are thankfully pretty documented.I will give sources for them.

Japanese Wii:https://web.archive.org/web/20081030025019/http://sega.jp/wii/sonicwa/ Japanese PS3:https://web.archive.org/web/20090220185049/http://www.jp.playstation.com/software/title/bljm60112.html Japanese X360:https://web.archive.org/web/20090721161540/http://sega.jp:80/cgi-bin/csgame.cgi?hw=8

Other regions were correct before vandalism. Hope this helps. ArtemisGear (talk) 03:21, 17 November 2020 (UTC)

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