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Thanks for letting me know. That surely made my day to know that the article's accuracy and references have been praised by someone close to Esther. Thank you, and your edits on that article and other Nerdfighter-related articles are definitely appreciated :) Soulbust (talk) 02:41, 10 January 2015 (UTC)

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Original research

Your recent edit on Gender Gap indicates your accusation of original research. This data is published and provided by Wikimedia. There is no original research in the edit. LawrencePrincipe (talk) 21:20, 18 February 2015 (UTC)

It is possible that I'm misunderstanding the situation, but if I understand this link correctly, the statistic that you added comes directly from an SQL query (seemingly written by Richard Farmbrough) applied to the Wikipedia database. This is almost definitionally original research. If I'm mistaken, and there is indeed somewhere where the Wikimedia Foundation (or any other reliable source) has published these numbers, then please do tell me. —Granger (talk · contribs) 21:25, 18 February 2015 (UTC)

The data is published by Wikimedia and is available for publication upon request by using the tool and link which I provided with the edit. Many applications have been written by this same author and they may be used as reliable data for publication provided that the link is still being published by Wikimedia. The only difficulty I have seen in the past is when old data is archived and no longer available from Wikimedia, which is not an issue here since it is current data being published. You can verify by re-running the link provided for the stats on your Talk page, and you can restore the edit when it is verified. LawrencePrincipe (talk) 22:19, 18 February 2015 (UTC)

Let me explain why I still think the information should not be included in the article. First, it is possible that there is some kind of error in Richard Farmbrough's SQL code. There probably isn't, and the numbers you've added are probably correct—but we don't know for sure, and it isn't our role as Wikipedia editors to discover this information ourselves and add it to the article. Instead, we should wait for a reliable published source (such as one of the many studies of Wikipedia's gender gap) to discover it, and then cite them. This is the essence of WP:NOR.

Second, by including these numbers in the article, we are implicitly saying that they are a relevant and meaningful measure of the gender gap. It may seem obvious that they are, but we should wait for a reliable source to say this before we include it in the article.

In short, Wikipedia articles should only communicate information from reliable published sources, not new information discovered by Wikipedia editors. —Granger (talk · contribs) 22:59, 18 February 2015 (UTC)

Normally, its the other way around. If an editor wishes to impeach published data then another citation would be needed to challenge the published data. Wikimedia Foundation has published the data, and it is not up to you, or for me, or for any editor to challenge the published data without a cite to back up the challenge. If you have a citation which challenges the reliability of the published data from Wikimedia Foundation then by all means put it forward. Otherwise, my edit included the source of the published data and therefore has no original research. It should be restored unless you have a counter-citation. If you require me to run an RfC then that can be done citing your making a revert of a cited edit without providing any citation for challenging the published source Wikimedia Foundation. LawrencePrincipe (talk) 00:43, 19 February 2015 (UTC)

In fact, it is not normally the other way around: normally, editors are normally required to provide a reliable published source for a statement that is challenged, which is what I am asking you to do.

It seems that neither of us is going to convince the other, so I'll start a discussion on Talk:Gender bias on Wikipedia to get more opinions. —Granger (talk · contribs) 02:08, 19 February 2015 (UTC)

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Edit request for Sophie Hunter page

Hunter has notable family members and should be included in her infobox. Please do help me in adding the family parameter. :) You can just copy-paste the one I made. Just replace the parentheses with brackets for linking. All references are in the family section of her page already. THANK YOU VERY MUCH!!!

|family= ((Michael Gow (British Army officer)|Michael James Gow GCB))(maternal grandfather)
((J. E. B. Seely, 1st Baron Mottistone)) (maternal great-great-grandfather)
((Timothy Carlton)) (father-in-law)
((Wanda Ventham)) (mother-in-law)

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 Done. In the future, I recommend making this kind of request on the article talk page using Template:Edit semi-protected. —Granger (talk · contribs) 01:28, 21 February 2015 (UTC)

Thank you very much and I will certainly take note of that! Just one tinee-tiny thing! You forgot a space between "Carlton" and "(father-in-law)". But perfect nonetheless! Thanks a bunch! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 180.191.69.3 (talk) 01:39, 21 February 2015 (UTC)

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Thanks for your help with my picon page. I'm very new to editing and creating pages, so I like that you took what I started and made it look like "real" Wikipedia :-) Thank again. (Sorry if this "talk" isn't how I'm supposed to communicate. So much to learn Wapshilla (talk) 05:09, 5 March 2015 (UTC)

@Wapshilla: You're welcome. Thanks for creating the page! (And don't worry, this talk page is a good way to communicate.) —Granger (talk · contribs) 12:13, 5 March 2015 (UTC)

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Your unwarranted attack on me and the vandalizing of the jazz jennings page will be brought to the attention of wikipedia administrators. — Preceding unsigned comment added by DATRUTHSPITTA (talk • contribs) 21:44, 21 March 2015 (UTC)

That's fine with me. My edit to Jazz Jennings is justified by Wikipedia policy; yours is not. I suggest that you read MOS:IDENTITY. —Granger (talk · contribs) 21:47, 21 March 2015 (UTC)

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Latin Page for Dr. Richard Levins - Ricardus Levins

Thank you for your copyedits on Helen Banks.

On another matter, we have a 3-day symposium for an elderly (85 year old) Harvard professor in human ecology for whom we'd like a Latin language Wikipedia article, but the Latin Department has been 'dragging their heels' on doing the translation (and I'm getting rusty).

• Richard Levins
• Ricardus Levins - Latin

• Richard Levins in Dutch
• Richard Levins in Spanish

• Richard Levins in French
• Richard Levins in Portuguese

Any ideas on how this Latin article can be advanced? MaynardClark (talk) 14:46, 27 March 2015 (UTC)

No, I'm not sure. Maybe la.wikipedia has a translation request page, but if it does, I can't find it. —Granger (talk · contribs) 18:29, 27 March 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for looking (for us). MaynardClark (talk) 18:36, 27 March 2015 (UTC)

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Confusion: page being defaced... my confusion ensued

Dear Sir, I'm the original poster of Pay to fly, the page was defaced, replacing the contribution with an article on jealousy. The wikipedia bot then mistakenly found legit the "jealousy" article. You also switch back the article. I can assure you it's a mistake. I took the liberty to revert back your mistake. We can discuss about this. Best regards CockpitSeeker (talk) 12:18, 1 April 2015 (UTC)

I think you may be confused—all I did was revert the vandal to switch the page back to your version, and then make some minor copyedits. I suggest you look over the page history to make sure we're on the same page about what happened, and if you still feel that I have made a mistake, please let me know what I did that was wrong. —Granger (talk · contribs) 12:24, 1 April 2015 (UTC)

@CockpitSeeker:: The article looks fine to me now, and Mr Granger did nothing wrong, they made a few minor style edits.this is the current version, and this is the version before the vandalism started- they look the same to me. Also, the article has been semi-protected, so the new user sockpuppets cannot vandalise it. I'm also going to open a sockpuppet case for all of them. Joseph2302 (talk) 12:42, 1 April 2015 (UTC)

Looks like a sockpuppet investigation has already been done, and all the actual vandals have been blocked. Joseph2302 (talk) 12:48, 1 April 2015 (UTC)

@Joseph2302: Thank you very much (side note: @22factual: is legit --I know this person personally-- and his of help, I hope he wasn't blocked). My mistake indeed @Mr. Granger: (I'm the one that got confused), my sincere apologies, and thank you very much for you attention on my contribution.

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	For not being fooled by a fake reference and removing a hoax at Henry David Thoreau. See this article if you haven't already: https://medium.com/message/how-to-lie-with-wikipedia-129b92e55ac Gamaliel (talk) 18:02, 14 April 2015 (UTC)

Thank you! I hadn't seen the article—thanks for showing it to me. —Granger (talk · contribs) 18:18, 14 April 2015 (UTC)

Just read about it in the Signpost! Great call! Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 15:57, 17 April 2015 (UTC)

Ally Fogg's gender

It must have seemed to you like I was quickly going back and reverting your changes. I had reworked the paragraph, saved it, and then, looking at it and not thinking anyone might be coming up behind me so quickly, thought that somehow I must have accidentally left in the detail on the source I had meant to prune out, and at the same time thought I had accidentally left an S off "She", so went back to fix it. Right after that, I realized you had been right behind me, and I checked Fogg's byline and saw he is in fact a man, went to go fix it, saw you had already done so. Sorry about the confusion, like I said, I'm not used to someone coming in so close behind me on the same paragraph. Mmyers1976 (talk) 22:01, 14 April 2015 (UTC)

No problem, easy mistake to make. I must have looked at my watchlist right after you made the edit—otherwise I don't know how I could have edited the page so quickly after you did. —Granger (talk · contribs) 22:04, 14 April 2015 (UTC)

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Paul Jonathan Nungeßer, see complaint and name of his mother ([1]). Greetings--Cyve (talk) 12:54, 27 April 2015 (UTC)

All English-language sources I've seen give the spelling "Nungesser".

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'Mr Grainger', you really need to get out more and find something else to do besides making annoying and pedantic alterations to Wikipedia. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.164.222.68 (talk) 22:14, 2 May 2015 (UTC)

Mattress Performance (Carry That Weight)

Hi, I recently added a "See also" section to Mattress Performance (Carry That Weight). You deleted the section.[2] Would you be willing to explain why the section merited deletion?  EllieTea (talk) 17:52, 3 May 2015 (UTC)

Hi EllieTea. I'm sorry about that—the "See also" section got caught up in the other changes I was reverting. I've re-added it. Thanks for pointing that out. —Granger (talk · contribs) 18:31, 3 May 2015 (UTC)

Much kind thanks!  EllieTea (talk) 18:38, 3 May 2015 (UTC)

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Why are you disruptively spamming the page Yungen-94.15.79.157 (talk) — Preceding undated comment added 23:18, 4 May 2015 (UTC)

I think you may have me confused with someone else—the only edit I've made to the page Yungen is this one, in which all I did was add two commas. —Granger (talk · contribs) 23:26, 4 May 2015 (UTC)

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Thanks for the RFC; you've opened my eyes up on a few points. -- Kendrick7^talk 04:37, 10 May 2015 (UTC)

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I appreciate that warning, but I must point out that you also made 2 reverts so the same warning applies to you also.--ML (talk) 13:37, 11 May 2015 (UTC)

Of course, it applies to anyone who edits the page (though I've only made one revert). —Granger (talk · contribs) 16:28, 11 May 2015 (UTC)

I count two:

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Orphan refs

Hi M. Granger. Just saw your edit here. by rescuing, I presume they get saved somewhere so the source is not lost, right? But how exactly do editors later access these rescued sources? Is there a compilation by subject? Thanks and regards. Rui ''Gabriel'' Correia (talk) 18:43, 16 May 2015 (UTC)

Hi. I got the reference from the page history of the Angola article, accessed by clicking the "View history" button at the upper right of the page. I looked through the history until I found the edit where the reference was removed, and copied it from there. —Granger (talk · contribs) 18:57, 16 May 2015 (UTC)

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Male is not the Default

I removed your section on Wikipedia:Talk page guidelines because I feel it is not relevant, following WP:BRD let's discuss it on the talk page. Weegeerunner ^{chat it up} 21:52, 25 June 2015 (UTC)

I didn't add that section. Perhaps you meant to notify User:SlimVirgin rather than me? —Granger (talk · contribs) 21:54, 25 June 2015 (UTC)

Oh, sorry about that. Weegeerunner ^{chat it up} 21:56, 25 June 2015 (UTC)

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please do delete the speedy contest deletion message from the article and help to make the article in an elegant manner https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sridhar_babu_addanki swaroop 07:03, 4 July 2015 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sakthi swaroop (talk • contribs)

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hi Granger am interested and would like we share on tribe with less than 1000 people in the East coast of Africa

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Your edits were not vandalism

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Thanks for your addition to the 2001 presidential election article, but it would be quite useful to know which party boycotted the election (and why)! Cheers, Number 57 22:54, 5 September 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for the feedback. I'm glad you called my attention to that edit, because it appears that my rather confusingly-worded source was actually referring to the 2002 parliamentary election. I've removed the material from 2001 election article. —Granger (talk · contribs) 23:09, 5 September 2015 (UTC)

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Thanks for making the USA age of consent map! Are you interested in making one or more maps showing Puerto Rico, USVI, Guam, CMNI, and/or American Samoa?

Also are you able to change Texas to unclear/contradictory in File:Age of Consent - North America.svg ? WhisperToMe (talk) 22:02, 10 September 2015 (UTC)

Good idea. I'll do both of those. —Granger (talk · contribs) 22:46, 10 September 2015 (UTC)

Thank you :) WhisperToMe (talk) 22:49, 10 September 2015 (UTC)

@WhisperToMe: I've uploaded a new version of File:Ages of Consent - United States.svg that includes the five inhabited U.S. territories. —Granger (talk · contribs) 23:22, 10 September 2015 (UTC)

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R u kidding me? Did u ever check the edit history to recognize the unseen vandalism and revert it instead of putting "no lead" bar? I cant believe it. 98.112.79.59 (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 09:34, 2 October 2015 (UTC)

You're right, I didn't look at the history. Thank you for reverting the vandalism. —Granger (talk · contribs) 12:37, 2 October 2015 (UTC)

Edits on Latin letters by Special:Contributions/Mark Recio

Hi, I'm just writing to inform you that the user who you repeatedly corrected and reverted on various articles about each of the letters of the Latin alphabet has been reported after numerous warnings for including a flood of unverifiable very subjectively "similar" characters in the lists. LjL (talk) 13:09, 2 October 2015 (UTC)

Your citations supposedly showing Roman numbers are derived from letters

I see you are providing citations (from this book on page 44 so far) for my requests to source the claim that Roman numerals are derived/related to the visually similar letters. The reason I have requested citations for that claim is that I am in fact aware that at least some of those numerals are derived from entirely different things (I recall it from memory, I couldn't cite the sources I know it from right now), like I being the typical "one" mark many writing systems use, and V being an open hand. The book and page of it you cite do not seem to contradict this, or show that the numerals in fact coalesce with the letters; what I am looking for are sources stating that the numerals either derive from the letters (the other explanations being "folk etymologies"), or at least that they coalesced, becoming one with the letters in the Roman people's minds. Keep in mind that some of the lesser-used numerals are simply not letters at all, so the fact that most of them resemble Latin letters is no definite evidence.

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You're right that most Roman numerals are originally derived from pictures. More information about this is available at Roman numerals. I am adding the citation to show that whatever their origins, Roman numerals are written with Latin letters nowadays (and have been for many years). I am not making any claims about their origins or about what was going on in Roman people's minds. —Granger (talk · contribs) 20:48, 3 October 2015 (UTC)

Do you realize that with your more specific citation, you've shown exactly that those Roman numerals do not belong in the "Related characters" section, as your very citation claims - I quote - that "they bore no relation to these letters"? The fact that they later accidentally came to look similar or identical with those letters (but Unicode has separate glyphs, and we are using those in the article, so... are we talking about "related characters", or unrelated characters, or the same character? only in the former case do they belong there) makes them no more worthy of inclusion than all those symbols that User:Mark Recio added and which we painfully reverted. LjL (talk) 21:01, 3 October 2015 (UTC)

My only point is that the letter V is the Roman numeral for 5, the letter X is the roman numeral for 10, and so on. I don't care where on the page this information is included—feel free to move it to a different section if you feel that is more appropriate. —Granger (talk · contribs) 21:03, 3 October 2015 (UTC)

If they are written with Latin letters, then they are not "related characters", they simply are (one use of) those Latin letters. Make a mention of this usage in the articles if you want, but don't list them in the related characters section. If they are similar but unrelated to the Latin letters (the fact there are, and we're using, separate Unicode codepoints seems to support this), they don't belong there. If they are related, fine, but your source claims the exact opposite. LjL (talk) 21:03, 3 October 2015 (UTC)

If I'm understanding you correctly, it sounds like you're saying the Roman numeral information should be in a different section of the articles. That's perfectly fine with me. —Granger (talk · contribs) 21:13, 3 October 2015 (UTC)

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Yes I have deleted the content because the band no longer exists and information is no longer relevant. I would like to delete this page. Thank you. Wikismasha (talk) 20:46, 27 October 2015 (UTC)

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Why is the pigeonhole principle a theorem?

To quote, "a theorem is a statement that has been proven on the basis of previously established statements". There's no mention of any such proof on the page, and IMHO, it's so simple already that any attempt to prove it will only be replacing the simple with the complicated. Of course, depending on the system of axioms, the pigeonhole principle COULD be a theorem, but it equally well might not be in some systems. Thus, the word "theorem" should be avoided unless a specific axiom set is agreed upon. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.232.127.59 (talk) 21:38, 14 December 2015 (UTC)

In standard set theory, the pigeonhole principle is proven as a theorem, not taken as an axiom. One proof can be found here: https://books.google.com/books?id=m-gkCK_DQ1kC&lpg=PA306&ots=7wfRFPFucy&dq=%22proof%20of%20the%20pigeonhole%20principle%22&pg=PA306#v=onepage&q=%22proof%20of%20the%20pigeonhole%20principle%22&f=false . As you say, one could take it as an axiom—but I don't know why one would, when it's easy to prove from standard axioms. Perhaps it would be a good idea to add a proof to the article, as you've suggested. —Granger (talk · contribs) 23:05, 14 December 2015 (UTC)

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Dear Mr. Granger

I am a 25-year old city official for the City of Mount Vernon, Iowa and I would like to apologize for the page I made for myself with the false information, but I kid-you-not when I say that local paper dubbed me Local Hero after I saved a kid after a severe sledding accident where he sledded into a lit fire pit. I was able to save his life and in the process gained a local heroism. My alterations are mostly not vandalism (though some are just my buddies and i messing around), but actual real edits. — Preceding unsigned comment added by ChrisBanwart (talk • contribs)

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