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Forestry
It's nice to see someone actively working on forestry-related articles. While there isn't a forestry-related WikiProject, you might be able to find support, encouragement and suggestions at Wikipedia:WikiProject Agriculture (as they have defined it, forestry falls within their scope, but I'm not sure how active they are), Wikipedia:WikiProject Ecology (not the most active group), and Wikipedia:WikiProject Plants, which is a fairly active group.
Anyway, if there's any way I can help, let me know. And keep up the good work. Guettarda (talk) 06:08, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
I have reverted at least some of the edits you have made to university articles adding a link to a list of forestry universities. I do not think it is appropriate. Lists of universities in particular disciplines would make this too long and it seems spammy. Also the "See also" sections are for the reader to find more information closely related to the subject itself not about stuff like other universities that teach subject X. --Bduke (Discussion) 23:34, 21 February 2009 (UTC)
I noticed that the Skid cone article has been proposed for deletion. It strikes me as potentially notable enough, but I really don't know for sure...would you be willing to take a look at the article and see if you think it's worth keeping and improving? I'm going to remove the {{prod}} template so you can have a look at it. If you don't think it worth keeping, I'll restore the prod. Guettarda (talk) 06:57, 23 February 2009 (UTC)
Discussion about the map on Upper Midwest
Hi, I have started a discussion at Talk:Upper Midwest#An alternate map to discuss which of the two maps should be on the article. I see you have been a past contributor to the article and therefore am notifying you of the discussion. Beeswaxcandle (talk) 00:59, 16 May 2009 (UTC)
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I noticed your work to Outline of forestry.
Nicely done.
Please consider joining WP:WPOOK.
The Transhumanist 23:51, 18 June 2009 (UTC)
Minnecologies
I'm here to ask you to jump in on the deep end.
I'm desperately looking for someone willing to maintain a birdseye view of the project. By this I mean keeping a lookout over the OOK and all the outline articles in the encyclopedia, all outline drafts, and all support pages (including the guidelines, the WP:WPOOK and its subpages (especially the Projected outline), and all related talk pages.
It's not time commitment that matters here, but scope.
Sometimes important discussions pop up that affect or even endanger the project, or one of its many branches (each outline page is a branch in the Outline of knowledge). Many editors don't understand the role of outlines on Wikipedia, and some don't even know what an outline is. I can't be everywhere at once (though at one time I thought I could), and so we need others willing to help keep an eye on things. The more eyes on the talk pages especially, the better.
There is a lot going on, and I can no longer keep up with it all. The OOK has grown to around 500 outlines. There are a few hundred more entitled "List of" that haven't been renamed or reformatted yet but which need to be watched along with the rest. There are a couple hundred more outlines that are drafts in the WP:WPOOK's draft space. And there are still more planned that are merely redlinks on the Projected outline. And more to be planned (which is what the projected outline is for).
So your first assignment is to watchlist and watch everything in the OOK system and the OOK project, and familiarize yourself with the big picture and how the whole thing works.
There are watching instructions in the newsletter above.
To help you learn your way around, the main OOK-related pages and their shortcuts are:
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Below is a list of the key pages related to the Outline of Knowledge, along with their shortcuts. The shortcuts for their talk pages is the same, except that they start with "WT:" instead of "WP:". Parent project
Where to find outlines
Relevant guidelines
Outlines project pagesTemplates
List of Wikipedia:WikiProject Outlines subpages
Lists/logs
Userboxes
Watch lists
Wish lists
Archives
Deleted outline drafts
The directory can also be used with "Related changes" Welcome to the team. :) I look forward to your reply on my talk page. The Transhumanist 00:20, 20 June 2009 (UTC)
Outline collaboration #2: Outline of GibraltarThis outline is approaching completion. I added a bunch more links, finding them with the following Google site-specific searches of Wikipedia: (You can use the wikicode for the links above as the basis for new searches - just replace "Gibraltar" with any other country or region name). Request: please redirect the redlinks! (bluelinking...)The redlinks need to be bluelinked where possible. The most useful way is to create redirects leading to the material (which is usually included in a section of an article - see Wikipedia:Redirect#Redirects to page sections. That way, when the redirect pages are replaced by the actual articles, the links will already point to the right places. Please take a crack at it, and bluelink a few. Thank you. Good luck. Have fun. The Transhumanist 00:48, 23 June 2009 (UTC) That was fun. :) Outline update - Push push push - 06/25/2009Work is proceeding apace...
The current consensus is that we can't place a hatnote leading to an outline at the top of a subject articles unless the outline being presented is of at least the same quality-level as the article.
Improve outline quality by completing them. Place hatnotes for the outlines of high enough quality. Guidelines pertaining to outlines need to be updated. Outlines emerged as a class of pages only a few months ago, and most of the relevant guidelines don't cover them specifically. For example, Wikipedia:Stand-alone lists is incredibly out of date. Invite wikignomes, wikielves, and wikifairies (all 2500+ of them) to help on the outlines . Identify 600 more subjects with coverage extensive enough to justify outlines, create rudimentary drafts for them, and post notices to the corresponding WikiProjects and subject talk pages to help build them. Convert outlines titled "List of" to outline articles, and add them to the OOK. There are a few hundred of these. Conversion instructions are needed. Add a description of outlines to About Wikipedia and Wikipedia:Basic navigation, and add tips about outlines to the WP:TOTD and Tips library.
The Transhumanist 20:27, 25 June 2009 (UTC) Forestry EditsHello Minnecologies - Nice message on a nice day. Thank you, nice of you to offer! Yes, I do need to find ot more about Wikipedia and will read to learn more on Wikiprojects. Pls let me know how I can find out, when your proposition has become a wikiproject. Hope responding here is ok, too! Isiaunia (talk) 22:38, 28 June 2009 (UTC) Hello Minnecologies and sorry it has taken me so long to reply! Thanks for the invite, for which I am thankful. I certainly would like to participate and even refer this initiatives to others who may be interested in adding to it! Thanks for complimenting the WFC job, although it can certainly be ameliorated... and it will be, little by little! What do I need to do in order to join, please?Isiaunia (talk) 18:33, 7 July 2009 (UTC) Finished outline reviewAfter months of working on it, I feel that the Outline of forestry has finally been completed, and is awaiting your review as is requested on the WP:OOK page. Minnecologies (talk) 03:30, 29 June 2009 (UTC)
Request for feedbackMinnecologies has done an incredible amount of work on Outline of forestry and posted a note to me on my talk page requesting feedback. I've posted my observations at Talk:Outline of forestry#Finished outline review. Please take a look at the outline and let Minnecologies know what you think of it on the outline's talk page. Thank you. The Transhumanist 19:37, 29 June 2009 (UTC) Delivered by JCbot (talk) at 20:15, 29 June 2009 (UTC).
WikiProject ForestryThanks. Guettarda (talk) 19:44, 30 June 2009 (UTC) Hmmm...template's not working right (see here). What template did you base it on? Guettarda (talk) 20:14, 30 June 2009 (UTC)
Cultigens and cultivarsThe two above nomenclatural terms apply strictly to plants used in agriculture, forestry and horticulture. You may not use them but removing forestry as a category does not do the words a service. I have put the category back as it is definitely relevant to forestry. Granitethighs (talk) 22:25, 1 July 2009 (UTC) Re joining WikiProject ForestryI appreciate your suggesting my joining the Project. Although I have done some work in the past and would be very interested in taking part, I am a little pushed for time at this moment for personal reasons. I would however love to take part and will do so as soon as I can. Thank you. Dieter Simon (talk) 23:44, 5 July 2009 (UTC) Outline Update - Exhausted - 07/10/2009I'm sorry that I haven't been available to assign tasks lately. For the past 3 days (not including today) I've been almost totally consumed in discussions concerning the location and very existence of outlines. Today I finally broke free and got back to work on outlines. Felt good. A great deal has been happening with outlines and behind the scenes. I just don't have time to tell you all about it this time around. Here's the best I can do...
If you'd like a bird's eye view of everything that's happening with respect to outlines, see this page:
Or go to these pages (and click on "Related changes" in the sidebar's toolbox menu):
These outline articles, which were named "List of...", have been converted to an OOK format:
There are a lot of "List of" articles that are outlines. Some of them are on the same subjects as the "Outline of" articles. The following one have been recently merged: The Transhumanist 01:14, 10 July 2009 (UTC) Minnecologies, The mathematics department takes its lists extremely seriously. So, when we convert them to outlines, we should expect a lot of scrutiny. :) See talk:Outline of combinatorics. (I did what I could from the sans-cut&paste terminal I'm at at-the-moment). Keep up the good work. The Transhumanist 03:14, 14 July 2009 (UTC) WikiProject ForestryI joined WP:FORESTRY. Thanks for the invite, I'll soon make updates to my entries and translate them to French.Pat604 (talk) 02:24, 15 July 2009 (UTC) Minnecologies, would you take a look at this...I did a rough expansion of and converted this: Please take a look. Thank you. The Transhumanist 01:58, 17 July 2009 (UTC) IndentsHi. I just replaced a few indents that you removed here. Not a big problem at all, I'm just curious as to why it is happening?! Is it a script doing something odd, or are you trying to manually give some structure to the comments that I don't instantly intuit? Thanks. (reply here :) -- Quiddity (talk) 22:05, 20 July 2009 (UTC)
Outline Update - Basking in the light of knowledge - 07/28/2009Phase two of outline integration (de-orphanizing outlines by adding links leading to them into article see also sections) is nearly complete. The better that outlines are integrated into the encyclopedia, the more use they will be to readers. Due to greater exposure through outline integration, and with most of the OOK team on school summer vacation, development activity on outlines has increased a lot...
Thank you. Here's what else has been going on...
There are a lot of contradictions in guidelines related to outlines. I'll be turning my attention to fixing those. The number of "Outline of" articles is rapidly catching up to portals, and will probably pass them by the end of the summer! Keep up the excellent work. The Transhumanist 00:57, 28 July 2009 (UTC) Project goals / coordinationHi Minnecologies, I just read your post about WP:PROL at WT:WPOOK, and I thought this might be a good time to talk about the goals of the WikiProject. In my mind, they break down into four areas:
Here are my thoughts on each...
This is linking to outlines. Linking them together, and linking to them from other pages in Wikipedia. There are 8 namespaces the outlines need to be integrated into: main & talk (articles), portal and portal talk, template and template talk (navigation templates), wikipedia and wikipedia talk (WikiProject pages, intro & help pages, policies and guidelines, and directories).
This includes maintaining and refining existing "Outline of" articles, merging other lists that are actually outlines into the corresponding "Outline of" articles, converting/renaming structured lists into "Outline of" articles (when one does not yet exist), and creating new outlines.
Concerning planning the WP:PROL, see WP:CORE, Outline of Dewey Decimal classes, Library of Congress Classification, List of academic disciplines, and Fields of science.
Program features for outline support, and for outliner-style display and editing (applicable to all articles, while retaining standard wiki-file formatting). These would be additional features, rather than modifying the default modalities (though the prevailing paradigm may shift to this over time).
The priority in each area, based on overall impact and on dire ramifications (if not done), may be considered to be:
The Transhumanist 18:59, 28 July 2009 (UTC) OOK goalsOf the four essential aspects of the OOK you listed, I find the administrative one most appealing and fitting for myself. I have a good idea of what makes a good outline and what it takes to get there, so I'd be filling to help you out with developing the guideline (in addition to the helpful tips). I am sort of confused though- we have the main outline guideline right now and the draft, were you planning on completely revamping it and then transferring it all to article space? Or are they intended to be separate articles? Minnecologies (talk) 19:06, 29 July 2009 (UTC)
Dewey and LCC are both outlines of knowledge. So, as outlines have been completed, I've been swapping out the Wikipedia article links on them with links to the outlines. (Making the Dewey and the LCC defacto top-level navigation pages for Wikipedia). After the OOK gets much more extensive, we could do the same thing to List of academic disciplines and Fields of science. The Transhumanist 20:56, 29 July 2009 (UTC) We're working on something special......to award Buaidh for all his hard work. It's at User:Penubag/Sandbox3. But it's not done yet. Feel free to help improve it. I'm hoping that everyone involved with the WP:WPOOK will sign it (please sign without a timestamp). Thank you. The Transhumanist 22:54, 29 July 2009 (UTC) OOK collaboration: Outline of knowledge (eom)Delivered by –Juliancolton | Talk at 21:41, 31 July 2009 (UTC) Minnecologies, a request...Someone just created Outline of regression analysis. It appears that outlines are catching on, even in mathematics! You did an excellent job on Outline of combinatorics and Outline of category theory. If it wouldn't be too much trouble, could you continue the conversion of the mathematics outlines? As time permits. It would really help a lot. This doesn't need to be done quickly, just steadily. The Transhumanist 01:30, 1 August 2009 (UTC)
forestrythanks for the inquiry...... not sure where the group is. Rvannatta (talk) 21:42, 17 August 2009 (UTC) Minnesota Meetup 2009 Please share this with anyone who may be interested.
Delivered by Jonathunder (talk) 16:08, 18 September 2009 (UTC)
Converting projected outline for easy comparisonI'm in the process of converting the projected outline to the same format as the OOK, to make it more intuitive, and enable the editor to spot at a glance links for outlines (planned or under development) that are not yet in the OOK. See WP:PROL The Transhumanist 23:21, 4 October 2009 (UTC)
Then we shall move on to expanding the projected outline, with outline links named for topics included in WP:CORE, WP:VITAL, WP:VA/E, Outline of Dewey Decimal classes, and the Library of Congress Classification. The selection of topics from those is subjective - add whichever topics you believe are extensive enough to support an outline page. The Transhumanist 00:18, 5 October 2009 (UTC) Outline Update - expanding the Outline of Knowledge - 2009-10-05Time for some catching up...
Congratulations and kudos to Buaidh, the first recipient of the Wikipedia World Developer Award, and the first inductee into the Outline of Knowledge WikiProject's Hall of Fame. The award was announced about 2 months agos on the WikiProject's talk page, and on Wikipedia's Community Bulletin Board. Buaidh created the historical outlines for all of the U.S. States, the U.S. capital, and most of the U.S. insular areas. He has also worked indefatigably day after day, improving all of the outlines of the U.S. States, and the outlines of all of the countries of the world!
Discussions can sure be frustrating - try getting a proposal through on a guideline's talk page sometime. Most of the time, it seems like the opposition is mindlessly following each other, like... Zombies. (You've got to see this).
Yes, it's a proper noun. It's only proper, since we also have an article called Outline of knowledge which is about knowledge generically.
After a couple month vacation, I'm ready to slam the gas pedal to the floor. Are you? Things are speeding up! Take a look...
The following outlines have been added to the OOK within the past couple of months or so. Some of them were renames, some of them brand new, and some of them recently discovered after sitting in article space for awhile as orphans.
Here's some more pages that have been renamed to outlines even more recently, but that need to be converted to OOK format:
The following pairs of pages are content forks and need to be merged:
Only a few hundred more to go. :) The Transhumanist 04:46, 5 October 2009 (UTC) Spanish favourHi, I was hoping you could do me a favour that requires being able to read Spanish? An editor that shows many indications of being a vandal has added this text to a page, verifying it with a Spanish-language webpage. Would you be able to let me know if it's legit? Previous contributions from the editor have included pretty blatant vandalism, but also an edit that, upon review, turned out to be bogus. Though I'm rather sure it's vandalism, etiquette suggests we get a review. Thanks, WLU (t) (c) Wikipedia's rules:simple/complex 01:04, 29 March 2010 (UTC)
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