User talk:Maheshkumaryadav/Archive 1

Re: Kindly help

In reply to: User_talk:Xionbox#Kindly_help

Dear Mahesh Kumar Yadav, I understand your concern about the article you wrote, which, I agree with you, is well referenced. However, I still think it should be deleted. I've explained my point of view here.

Sincerely,

Xionbox^₪ 17:46, 5 May 2011 (UTC)

ANI notification

You're being mentioned at WP:ANI#User:Maheshkumaryadav. -- zzuuzz ^(talk) 17:55, 5 May 2011 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of Anti-corruption initiatives by civil society in India

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Proposed deletion of Corruption in Indian politics

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Proposed deletion of Effects of corruption in India

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Proposed deletion of Judicial reforms in India

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POV page designed to advocate, not document, judicial reforms in India.

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Please discuss problems before creating more pages

Hi, I see you've been numerous pages that have been deleted. Please discuss concerns over this at WP:ANI#User:Maheshkumaryadav, where there is a discussion about your edits. Creating these pages, which largely violation Wikipedia policy, may be seen as disruptive. It's a waste of your time and others, to create pages only to be deleted. --Rob (talk) 21:39, 5 May 2011 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of Reforms in India

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Open ended topic, lacks scope. Article really doesn't say anything beyond generalizations.

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Proposed deletion of Indian black money in swiss banks

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Another POV fork article related to India

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Proposed deletion of Corruption in Indian bureaucracy

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Proposed deletion of Corruption in Indian police

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Proposed deletion of Systemic corruption

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No need for this, since we have article on corruption

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Nomination of Judicial reforms in India for deletion

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Getting past the ANI

Mahesh, I don't know about other editors, but I do understand that there's a steep learning curve here, and want to help. Try coming to Corruption in Indian police and responding to my concerns there. There, the problems weren't totally with Wikipedia policy, but also with the fact that the way you explained the sources was fundamentally not what the sources themselves said. I think that may be a good place to start moving forward. The other place would be at Judicial reforms in India, but I can see that you're not understanding the underlying issue there, so it may not be as productive. You have added useful content to Wikipedia, and I think that you should be able to continue to do so. I am happy to help at any time; note that, at the same time, I still have a responsibility to uphold Wikipedia's policies (hence the AfD), but I do want you to be able to take your enthusiasm and find ways to channel that productively here. Alternatively, if our past interactions make you think I wouldn't be able to help, try getting a mentor. You can do this by following the instructions at WP:Adopt-a-user (basically, you can either try to choose your own mentor from a list, or simply advertise that your looking for mentorship and someone will eventually choose you). Qwyrxian (talk) 11:42, 6 May 2011 (UTC)

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Moving articles

Please do not move articles while they are undergoing an AfD--it is confusing and disruptive to the process. Thanks. Qwyrxian (talk) 11:40, 7 May 2011 (UTC)

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Demographics of Chandigarh Capital Region

Thank you for being bold and creating Demographics of Chandigarh Capital Region, however, it is simply a copy of the still underdeveloped content on the main article page Chandigarh Capital Region. I would suggest expanding it first in the main article, and then moving it into another space when it becomes too large for the main article. Thank you again for Being bold, but more articles doesn't mean that they will all get eyes over them, actually more often then not it means less eyes, which means less expansion, Sadads (talk) 14:40, 7 May 2011 (UTC)

Great keep it up! Looking through your edit contributions, I would like to say that you have the potential to become a very good contributer to the community, based on your interests. However, your biggest weakness so far has been that creation of articles that have titles that don't neccesarily identify what you are covering through Verification in sources. For example, your article Police corruption in India doesn't actually talk about corruption, but rather the use of torture by police in India, thus should have been title Police use of torture in India. Also, you want to make sure that you are Verifying what you write in articles, to ensure that people who follow behind you to the article, can find the same information that you did. Remember, on Wikipedia our job is to summarize the available discussions about a topic so that the content uses WP:Encyclopedic style. Keep it up though, and make sure you are reading how other articles approach similar topics and try to adapt that into your work, your content helps us really fight the Wikipedia:Systemic bias. Happy editing, and if you have any questions, feel free to ask, Sadads (talk) 15:01, 7 May 2011 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of Corruption in Indian bureaucracy

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The creator has used only two sources to voice an opinion not bearing in mind Wiki's policy of NPOV. Further, he is promoting and confirming a baseless allegation. Violates NPOV, uses weasel words, unsourced

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Proposed deletion of Corruption in Indian politics

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The creator has used only three sources to voice an opinion not bearing in mind Wiki's policy of NPOV. Further, he is promoting and confirming a baseless allegation. Even further, such an article already exists and if the subject wants this article, he should merge this with it. Violates NPOV, uses weasel words, unsourced, duplicate

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Speedy deletion nomination of List of wedding banquets and resorts in Chandigarh Capital Region

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Reason why many of your articles are getting nominated for deletion

Hey, I really do think you are doing your best to expand content about Chandigarh and issues in contemporary India on Wikipedia, and to a certain extent you are doing fairly well, for example Portal:Chandigarh is really good, I don't think I have ever spent the time to develop a portal before and it is not something that New users often engage in. (FYI I added portals to all the articles in with "See also" sections). However, the difficult lies in how little time you spend actually proving that the topic needs to be covered in the articles themselves. Increasingly, as the English Wikipedia has become larger and larger, we have much more attention form people who want to produce poor or malicious content. Often the hallmark of this is the underdeveloped level of content which they produce. Much of your content, as you very well acknowledge, is incomplete in breadth. One of the things that we are finding on Wikipedia is that often, once content is created, unless it is very high profile or popular subject in our reading audience, it could be at least 4 years before the article gets looked at seriously by someone else.

As you know, Wikipedia has gained a certain place in the trust of English speakers world wide, and in order to maintain the trust, we have created several policies which content is constantly being screened against, and you don't seem to spend the time ensuring is actually in the article before you click save, you simply rush to create something incomplete and doesn't look like it is well intentioned to experienced Wikipedians, whether or not if it actually is. The first of these policies is WP:NPOV or Neutral Point of View. As you found with your series of articles on Corruption in India, whenever someone is talking about an issue which is treated by people with strong opinions, two things need to happen: first, the author of the Wikipedia article needs to make sure that they are not advocating for particular answers to the problems. The second of these policies is WP:V or Verfiability. In order to ensure that Wikipedia does not become the forum of every individuals pet opinions about topics, every statement that could be controversial or doubtful for any reason needs to have citations. These citations mark the summary of the facts or opinions found in the Wikipedia article and help us ensure that the content is in fact WP:N or Notable. Notability is a policy on how to judge whether something belongs in the encyclopedia. The best way to prove to others that something is worth covering is to use correct citations per WP:V.

I hope this little summary helps you understand why some Wikipedians are reacting against your content: you don't appear to be seriously making an effort to provide content that fully meets all the above especially in relationship to WP:V and WP:N, which prove to be our core policies in most cases. I do think that some of your content is valuable though, and you clearly have the knowledgability to write very high quality content. I also know that Wikipedia has a really steep learning curve for new users, so will be glad to help if you need any, just ask. I hope you continue to provide us with more content, and in time learn to create high quality content! Happy editing, and feel free to ask me questions here, Sadads (talk) 10:51, 8 May 2011 (UTC)

Nomination for deletion of Template:Corruption in India

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Merge proposal of Corruption and Indian politics

I've proposed that Corruption and Indian politics be merged into the Politics section of Corruption in India. That section is only 2 paragraphs long at the moment, and the target article as a whole is not too long. We should merge the info for now, and, should editors ever consider that article too long, consider a split later. I felt that this was nicer to you than just going through with deletion on Corruption and Indian politics. This will let us keep any information that we can verify and that is neutral. Feel free to comment on the merger proposal at Talk:Corruption in India#Merger proposal; please note, though, that the points you made earlier on Talk:Corruption and Indian politics have no merit here on Wikipedia: you cannot argue that putting the info in one consolidated place is "helping corruption"--Wikipedia's job is not and will not be to advocate for political positions or assist in "bringing to light" the bad behavior of people. We only exist to provide neutral summaries of encyclopedic information. Qwyrxian (talk) 07:31, 9 May 2011 (UTC)

Manual of style

I strongly suggest that you read WP:MOS and spell-check your work before adding it to the mainspace. Thanks. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 09:20, 9 May 2011 (UTC)

Your work

I just wanted to tell you that you are making a few not-so-good contributions, but actually, many, many good contributions to Wikipedia, and that is appreciated. Keep up the good work.

It's a good idea to ask yourself this question before making an article: "Can this be a section in an existing article?" Whenever possible, do that, unless it's a town. Standalone town articles are good. The reason I say this is because adding content to existing articles can be modified or removed if not appropriate, but deleting an article causes work for everyone, and wastes your time too.

Here are some banners that you can stick onto the talk pages of articles you created (where appropriate):

{{WP India|class=|importance=}}
{{WikiProject Geography|class=|importance=}}
{{WikiProject Politics|class=|importance=}}

Do you have a camera? Can you add some images to articles of places? Those are always good. Best, Anna Frodesiak (talk) 09:53, 9 May 2011 (UTC)

Also, please remember to leave a line space between sections. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 09:59, 9 May 2011 (UTC)

Good idea

Good idea to split Geography of Haryana! Keep it up! If you can expand the article that would be awesome too, it doesn't have very many references, and could really use a bit of research to be fully fleshed out. I am watching the article, so if you need any help tell me! 10:00, 9 May 2011 (UTC)

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Whoa, there!!

Please, please, PLEASE stop with the little single-sentnence substubs. It is going to take one heck of a long time for these to be cleaned up. if they ever are. Your efforts are welcomed, but based on your talk page, there have been others concerned about your editing habits. Thanks. --PMDrive1061 (talk) 14:39, 9 May 2011 (UTC)

The stubs can be expanded, but they are quality stubs and important ones, some has to create them and take the first step, I am sure within a short time, most of them will be full articles. Mahesh Kumar Yadav (talk) 14:42, 9 May 2011 (UTC)

(edit conflict)Though the village articles are appropriate, I would strongly suggest that you include geocordinates to ensure that they there is at least some means of verification of their existence, and you get less comments like the one above, Sadads (talk) 14:45, 9 May 2011 (UTC)

Single-sentence declaratory sentences with a couple of taxoboxes are not quality articles and quality is far more important than quantity. Those village substubs will likely never be expanded and will likely be deleted as a whole. It's fine that you want to take a first step, but please keep the end user in mind who already knows that "X is a village in Y District, India." --PMDrive1061 (talk) 14:48, 9 May 2011 (UTC)

(edit conflict)Most users, actually probably won't know that many of these places are villages there, but additional information will be of the most use for a majority of users. Again, Geocordinates, at the very least, and perhaps census information should be included so people can get a little bit more information out of the articles, Sadads (talk) 14:53, 9 May 2011 (UTC)

• Please don't engage in edit warring. Unless and until you can do a proper article on these police departments, please don't continue to add substubs or you're going to lose your edit privileges for awhile. Please do the right thing. Thank you. PMDrive1061 (talk) 14:51, 9 May 2011 (UTC)

I would respect this statement very much, please don't WP:Edit war, it will get you banned for a bit, Sadads (talk) 14:53, 9 May 2011 (UTC)

If people of new york know that what is the need of article List of villages in New York, India has one of the biggest population, if a small village with far less population in developed word can get listed on wikipeida, Indian village with much more population have every right to be listed. I find my uncapable to expand all the village articles and have tried the best i can. You are welcome to improve those articles, instead of removing them. Thanks. Mahesh Kumar Yadav (talk) 14:56, 9 May 2011 (UTC)

He has only been deleting the police articles, which are not neccessarily notable persay (look for significant coverage in news sources), though the villages definitely are notable, as populated places, Sadads (talk) 15:03, 9 May 2011 (UTC)

Technically speaking, every one of those village articles can be deleted, because you provided no verification that the villages exist. We need at least a single reference (as pointed out above, geocoordinates are usually enough, although some editors think evidence from a census is necessary), otherwise how do we know that they aren't all fictitious? Qwyrxian (talk) 15:04, 9 May 2011 (UTC)

Thank you. I'm going to get a second opinion on the village articles. In the meantime, it is up to you, the original author, to create a suitable article on which to expand. You can't simply place these things en masse and expect others to do very basic research such as history, important residents, coordinates, etc. I have in fact written about small ghost towns and nearly empty towns in the deserts of California either under this username or my original "Lucky 6.9" username. All began with a history of the town and all have been expanded. However, I'm the one who did the initial research to create useable articles. The examples in no particular order are:

• North Shore, California
• Goffs, California
• Eagle Mountain, California
• Rice, California
• Earp, California
• Vidal, California

I also did Los Algodones, Baja California and a major revamp of Amboy, California, not to mention an original article on Amboy Crater. --PMDrive1061 (talk) 15:06, 9 May 2011 (UTC)

Correction: I did Vidal Junction, California, not "Vidal." I also did Wiley's Well while we're talking. --PMDrive1061 (talk) 15:12, 9 May 2011 (UTC)

Those against my important stubs, might be great personalities and contributors, but my style of contributing is 'sowing seeds', If that is unaceptable to you, i shall stop contributing new articles, but believe that won't be good thing for Wikipedia if single line important stubs are deleted. It's like killing babies. Mahesh Kumar Yadav (talk) 15:23, 9 May 2011 (UTC)

That was the mentality of a vast majority of the early contributions to the English Wikipedia, however, we have found that a vast majority of pages, especially if they are really small or low profile like your villages, will never see significant expansion for at least 5 years if not longer. In the vein of your metaphor: what we are trying to encourage you to do is create a toddler who can at the very least walk on its own and open the refrigerator instead of giving a whole bunch of babies that won't have mothers to feed them for 5 or more years (as you know most of those children will die on their own anyway). That is kindof a groteque metaphor, but it helps make the point. Please add the geocoridinates and census data if you can, and at least we will have toddlers, Sadads (talk) 15:28, 9 May 2011 (UTC)

Does all the things in our house are being used everyday, but if the things is important, it can be kept at home, weather it is used in year or years. Mahesh Kumar Yadav (talk) 15:32, 9 May 2011 (UTC)

(edit conflict)Aye, but is the tool useful if it doesn't have any more information then that it exists? That is what is happening with your village articles: you are simply saying that they exist and are not giving any more tools for finding out more, such as geocordinates which can help someone find a map or satellite photo, or help verify that the reference to that particular name in another setting is in fact that village. We are not objecting to the articles, but rather to the approach to making something without seriously thinking about the usefulness of it in the future, Sadads (talk) 15:41, 9 May 2011 (UTC)

• I'm not some "great personality" and "killing babies" is a bit over the top. If you really want to plant the seeds of new articles, no one will support you more than I. However, you've been here a long time and you're failing to grasp some of the concepts of style and content of stubs, found at WP:STUB. While it's fun to create new stub articles, it's important that they have some content beyond the opening statement. The end user is what's important and that user already knows that a certain village is part of a certain district. That means you must do some research on your own. Quality is more important than quantity and Jimbo Wales himself once expressed that sentiment. The responsibility is yours to tell more about that village which will (a) help the end user and (b) make it far more likely for other users to expand it. FWIW, I haven't limited my geographical contributions to just California and Baja California. I did Squillace, a resort city in Italy. Same thing there. I did the research and created a stub that would assist the end user. It too has grown. --PMDrive1061 (talk) 15:34, 9 May 2011 (UTC)

• • Please don't quote policy and please double-check your spelling and grammar. I believe that you're trying to say that my deletions were not "acceptable" instead of "digestable." Single-sentence "substubs" do in fact fall under A3. Again, it is up to you to create something with meaning beyond the opening sentence. The toddler analogy Sadads used is a great one. We are trying to help you improve your work and to help avoid adding more to the long list of concerns here on your talk page. This isn't personal. PMDrive1061 (talk) 15:38, 9 May 2011 (UTC)

• • Outline_of_India asks for the police articles to be created, i possibly created a good stub. Some of the articles with this name have previously been deleted, If you keep on killing these articles how can the state police articles grow, I believe, if we let these subs be there, within six months, thouse will be full page articles, i am 100% sure about that. I request you to give them a try.Mahesh Kumar Yadav (talk) 15:42, 9 May 2011 (UTC)

You're right. They can't grow if they aren't there, but there has to be something of substance on which to grow on. Here's what I'd suggest you try: Choose just one of the police departments to write about then do some online research. Give the history of the police department as well as any other pertinent information and remember to cite your references. If it's substantive enough, it can stay. Rubber-stamping these little stubs without any information is easy. Research is going to take effort on your part. Fair enough? --PMDrive1061 (talk) 15:49, 9 May 2011 (UTC)

Save your babies

(Did I just blank your page? I'm not sure how I did that. Oops. Sorry.)

I understand how you feel. Look at my user page. I have made lots of stubs. I love the idea of sowing seeds. And now is the time to water them and look after them. They need:

• www.maps-for-free.com allows free screenshots, so they can have maps.
• Coordinates
• A reference or two
• Survey information for population

See what you can find. Look after your babies.

A nice compromise may be for you to stop creating new subs for a while and work on expanding the village stubs. Would that be okay with everyone? Of course there is still the matter of fixing up the other articles. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 15:55, 9 May 2011 (UTC)

• Absolutely! I saw that you blanked the page by accident and I was hoping you'd repost your suggestion here. Mahesh, it is time to feed the babies. IF you need help, please ask. --PMDrive1061 (talk) 16:00, 9 May 2011 (UTC)
• I'm in! Mahesh, I think you have a whole team of very experienced users here supporting you keep it up! Sadads (talk) 16:05, 9 May 2011 (UTC)
• I'll help too. Let me know what you need. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 16:08, 9 May 2011 (UTC)

I saw that new police department article and all I can say is...BRAVO! That, my friend, is a useful article. Fantastic job! I'm signing off, but I'll try and help whenever I can. I can't promise it'll be today. Take care and thanks for taking our suggestions to heart. --PMDrive1061 (talk) 16:11, 9 May 2011 (UTC)

Here is a lake stub I started. I haven't expanded it yet, but with coordinates, a reference, and a map, it is useful to visitors. If the village stubs have this information, they will be useful too. :) 16:22, 9 May 2011 (UTC)

Similar article for different states

Now can i use Haryana police article frame to create, article for other states as most of the contents would be same. Mahesh Kumar Yadav (talk) 16:15, 9 May 2011 (UTC)

Indeed you can. However, after that, I do suggest working on the villages. As they are right now, containing so little information, they are liable to be deleted. You put work into those. They are worth expanding. :) Anna Frodesiak (talk) 16:22, 9 May 2011 (UTC)

Since most of the police content is the same, is there really any need to duplicate it in the manner than you have done. The "new articles" page is becoming swamped with Indian police content and, as you say, it is practically identical. Are you sure that the content for each of these is correct - lists of ranks, insignia etc? And, if it is, why don't you just link to the relevant list articles instead of massively duplicating trivial information? - Sitush (talk) 17:09, 9 May 2011 (UTC)

In fact, please stop now & go through those which you have already created. For example, Jharkhand_Police says that there are 9 departments but only lists three. Wikipedia is timeless; creating bad articles is pointless. Please take things a little slower and try to get the information correct. - Sitush (talk) 17:14, 9 May 2011 (UTC)

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Help needed in growing the stubs

I need help to geo tag the villages. Each village is having approx. population more than 1000 people. Help in expanding the village topics can be taken from google. eg. for village Parwala google returns a good info that can be used for that particular article. http://www.google.co.in/search?sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8&q=Parwala+is+a+village+in+Barwala+block+of+Panchkula+district+in+state+of+Haryana%2C+India.#sclient=psy&hl=en&source=hp&q=Parwala&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=&pbx=1&fp=e84c85f56d8c905a&biw=1366&bih=677 . I am not having enough time to add content to each village article. The persons belonging to those villages are not internet savy and cannot create the quality of stub i have created for those villages (aprox 250 something), but they can improve the stubs i have provided. If the stubs are removed, it might take 5 years form most of articles to come again of wikipeida, but if they are left and improved with geotags and other data, within 12 months they can start growing. Mahesh Kumar Yadav (talk) 06:09, 10 May 2011 (UTC)

Regarding police articles, these are nearly 10 -12 articles, each state police article is for police force that serves nearly 5 crore citizens (50 million people), there are only 20 something states in India an each have there police state police, these articles are for those state polices. There are approx. 10,000 to 50,000 employees in each state police force. A Google result for individual article will say a lot for the articles like http://www.google.co.in/search?sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8&q=Chandigarh+Police Most of the police articles have link to organization website and with Google search others are welcome to improve the articles.Mahesh Kumar Yadav (talk) 06:09, 10 May 2011 (UTC)

Regarding discussing of my blocking, that won't serve any purpose, at this point of learning curve and with style of creating articles, i am doing my best. Regarding my being active for last few days, i had time thats why i gave it to wikipedia, but maybe i won't be able to give that much time in future. Like each individual i have may own unique way of working. Because of low internet penetration in India and less computer literacy in rural areas, most of the stubs for the region are being removed compared to developed nations. Mahesh Kumar Yadav (talk) 06:09, 10 May 2011 (UTC)

Digital divide on Wikipedia

For whatever reasons, a village of literate residents from a developed country have better chances of having an article on Wikipedia than a village from a less literate and less computer savvy people from developing country of equal population. Mahesh Kumar Yadav (talk) 06:27, 10 May 2011 (UTC)

Who will bring Indian villages to wikipedia

India have nearly eight lakh fifty thousand (850,000) Village,

• How many of them are on wikipeida?
• Who will bring them on wikipedia?
• Are the villagers capable to create quality wikipeda articles for there villages ?
• Is deleting the stub of these villages without checking them on google, legitimate ?
• Does some the experienced users unknowingly acting as wall for these village stubs to come to Wikipedia ?
• What effort can these experienced users are willing to give to create these village articles ?

Mahesh Kumar Yadav (talk) 06:37, 10 May 2011 (UTC)

More to the point, do they need to be here? Sure, they are notable by definition, whether people like that policy or not (plenty do not think that all villages should have a presence, just as plenty think not all high schools should). However, you seem to be suggesting that you are somehow acting on behalf of the villagers, which is an unusual approach. A stub without context (geo data etc) is particularly meaningless and likely to irritate people with a less tolerant attitude, so perhaps doing a little more basic work on each one would go a long way towards placating the situation. You have said that the information is out there, so why not add it yourself? You perhaps need to be more aware that the "divide" includes problems with non-Indian editors finding sources, especially with the sometimes confusing (to them) subcontinental naming conventions, transliteration issues etc. Your help in ameliorating this divide would be great. - Sitush (talk) 10:21, 10 May 2011 (UTC)

Sitush gets towards a good point--what is the value of a stub that has no information other than the name and district of the village? You said on ANI that people in these villages are not internet savvy, and so can't create them themselves. But if they're not savvy enough to do the extremely minimal work you did, they're not going to be savvy enough to do the edits needed to bring the article up to sub-stub level. Note that I don't think these qualify as sub-stubs, because they have exactly 1 piece of useful information, and that piece (the village name) isn't even verified (at least on the several that I checked).

Some other things:

• I would reverse your 4th question, and ask "Is creating the sub-sub-stub of a possible future article without yourself googling the village or adding some other minimal information legitimate?"
• How would you felt if, tomorrow, some user decided to make 100 stubs on villages in a different state? What if that user made those village sub-stubs by simply inventing names? How would a user like myself distinguish between the stubs you made and the stubs made by this vandal-creator?
• If I google the name of one of your villages, and find a possible source, what if it's actually in a totally different district, but I can't tell because the source isn't in English? What if there are 7 different villages all with the same name--without coordinates or other details, how would I know which village you meant?
• Please note that I would have exactly the same attitude for any article created by any user that had no sources--I would, if it were possible, consider finding a source, but, if not easily done, at a minimum contact the editor and more likely prod, AfD, or CsD the article. This has nothing to do with it being India, and everything to do with the fact that you have created a slew of articles that do not meet WP:V. Note that WP:V is not just a guideline or a suggestion, but one of the 5 pillars of Wikipedia. Without it, anyone could create any article on anything, with no sources, and say "Well, it's up to other users to figure out if this can be verified or not."
• My recommendation is that you continue to create these stubs--but do it in your userspace. I can teach you how to do that if you don't know how. Then, when you have time, add a source or two yourself, and, once they meet that absolute minimum, move them into mainspace. I'd recommend that for a while you check with more experienced users to make sure that the article's meet minimum standards. You could even try to recruit help in fleshing out the userspace drafts from WP:WikiProject India. WikiProjects, if you don't know, are basically an informal collection of editors who have interest in a specific topic who work together to improve and create articles within that field.
• You asked me on my userpage once to try creating 10 articles and seeing how it feels to have my work deleted. Actually, I have done that before, just that you wouldn't see it--instead, what I have done is to take articles that were nearly empty, or filled with unverified information, stripped them down, and built them back up. More to the point, I have, over time, had drafts of various articles I'd like to make in my userspace--and I've never moved them to mainspace, because, as much as I consider the topics to be valuable and important, I don't believe they meet WP:N or WP:V or something else that prevents them from being in mainspace. Not everyone is as demanding as I am. However, if you have followed the general tone on the ANI discussion, you'll see that a number of different editors are concerned that, whatever the minimum standards are, these stubs (and possibly the police articles, which I haven't looked at) don't meet them.
• Finally...WP:DEADLINE, first interpretation. We have plenty of time (i.e., as much time as Wikipedia exists) to get these village articles onto Wikipedia. I believe that, since there is no deadline, there is no rush to get unsourced, minimal sub-sub-stubs into mainspace. This is, of course, my opinion, and there are others who disagree. Qwyrxian (talk) 13:45, 10 May 2011 (UTC)

• Wikipedia:Don't demolish the house while it's still being built might answer some of your questions. Mahesh Kumar Yadav (talk)

14:21, 10 May 2011 (UTC)

Woah! We're responding to your questions, as requested by you. - Sitush (talk) 14:24, 10 May 2011 (UTC)

Mahesh, every one of the Users that you have been interacting with in the past week have had signficant amounts of work deleted (in my case probably at least 40 hours of work, if not more) because we didn't meet the very low standards of initial inclusion for the community. We have been in your shoes multiple times before: we know what works here in the community and what doesn't. You are currently raising alot of red flags from a large number of distinct and separate parts of the community, and this discounting of advice and very well thought out responses to your inquiries, with tons of advice on how to best improve your contributions, seems a little arrogant and is becoming disruptive. We are not objecting to your edits because you are from India, or that you are making new user mistakes, we are objecting because you are consistently ignoring our advice on how to improve the content. I have been consistently advocating for you in various discussions, because I feel, based on how quickly you are figuring things out technically on the wiki, you have a lot of potential as a contributor, however, you aren't stepping back and taking the time to figure out what is appropriate. I would like to direct you to the contributions of User:Crosstemplejay which you can find at the bottom of his User page. He is from Ghana and has been producing large numbers of articles on villages, towns and markets in Ghana, however, almost every one of the articles has at least one newspaper article discussing that location, and almost every new article he writes is of extremely high quality with a lot of information. I have been working with him for about a month now, and he has always been very responsive to feedback, and you see that improvement in quality in his contributions. There is plenty of room for contributers like yourself and Crosstemplejay who wish to produce content about their own countries, because as you have mentioned before, there are plenty of "Third world" villages and topics that clearly need to be talked about on Wikipedia, just you need to make sure that new content meets the standards of Wikipedia, or at least tries to meet the standards of the community, Sadads (talk) 15:21, 10 May 2011 (UTC)

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I removed the notice, please see my comments about article splits and attributions below. If you want to check the splits you make, you can search Google for the text or use a tool like this. Also, please see the other user's comments about article splitting in general, it is usually only done when you have a substantial amount of information to add to the new article aside from what is already in Wikipedia. Let me know if you have any questions.--NortyNort (Holla) 10:50, 10 May 2011 (UTC)

Other possible copyright violations

Parts of Demographics of Jammu and Kashmir are found here. If another editor can confirm that this is not a mirror issue, please remove the offending text and add the appropriate copyvio template. I am now inspecting other articles created by this editor. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 09:12, 10 May 2011 (UTC)

The content was already on wikipedia, i just moved it. Mahesh Kumar Yadav (talk) 09:14, 10 May 2011 (UTC)

Okay thanks. Just checking. How about this:

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Parts of Regions and Districts of Punjab (India) are found here. If another editor can confirm that this is not a mirror issue, please remove the offending text and add the appropriate copyvio template. I am now inspecting other articles created by this editor. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 09:28, 10 May 2011 (UTC)

This one above was originally in the Punjab, India article and appears to be a copyvio. I will remove it from the Regions article.--NortyNort (Holla) 10:44, 10 May 2011 (UTC)

Please stop creating articles

Please stop creating articles until this copyright violation matter is sorted out. Thank you. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 09:29, 10 May 2011 (UTC)

I have not posted new content from outside in these articles, just move the content because parent articles were too long. Mahesh Kumar Yadav (talk) 09:32, 10 May 2011 (UTC)

Well, if that is what you have done then you have done it incorrectly. There is no evidence of the license for the text you have moved from what ever the "big" article was. Furthermore, I am not sure whether you should have made these splits unilaterally - unless you are an experienced editor it is usually advisable to raise the proposal to split on the article talk pages first. - Sitush (talk) 10:11, 10 May 2011 (UTC)

Update: see Wikipedia:Splitting_article for guidelines regarding splitting. Thanks. - Sitush (talk) 10:13, 10 May 2011 (UTC)

One of the reoccurring sources on the article I blanked above is from a Wikipedia mirror. Other parts of text don't appear to be from mirrors. If you happen to be splitting articles, you need to state so in your edit summary. Per the CC-BY-SA license, you need to give attribution to the text. So when adding the text or creating the article, an edit summary like "Creating new article; text in article is split from Jammu and Kashmir" would suffice. Another possible problem is that text you copy from another Wikipedia article can be an unknown copyright violation. So, when you copy it into your article, you get flagged.--NortyNort (Holla) 10:34, 10 May 2011 (UTC)

Splitting

I see that despite the above comments you are now hell-bent on splitting further articles without discussion. You appear to have moved your attention to Indian schools. I am not saying that the split would be wrong but I do think - to repeat myself - that you should discuss these things first. I have reverted your edit at List_of_schools_in_India for this reason. - Sitush (talk) 10:56, 10 May 2011 (UTC)

The article needs split and need to be made like List of schools in the United States, help me in doing so. Mahesh Kumar Yadav (talk) 11:03, 10 May 2011 (UTC)

No. You need to discuss it on the article's talk page first. And then if you obtain consensus, you need to follow the guidelines in the Splitting link I provided above. you should also provide citations. - Sitush (talk) 11:04, 10 May 2011 (UTC)

Actually, having now looked at your recently created List_of_schools_in_Andhra_Pradesh I am wondering whether this is the right thing to do anyway. Most of the content is poorly formatted and the purpose could be as well served by a category. Have you considered using categories for this? - Sitush (talk) 11:12, 10 May 2011 (UTC)

Can these lists be covered into categories also List of schools in the United States Mahesh Kumar Yadav (talk) 11:14, 10 May 2011 (UTC)

That is what I was asking you! I notice that you are still splitting (eg: List_of_schools_in_Chhattisgarh) after posting a discussion point as I suggested. Calm down - Wikipedia is timeless.

Furthermore, your new articles ask people to keep the content in alphabetical order but they are not in fact in that order at the outset. This is ridiculous. - Sitush (talk) 11:17, 10 May 2011 (UTC)

I have removed the 'alphabetical word' from new articles. Would love if you can help in 'alphabetically' organizing the lists. Mahesh Kumar Yadav (talk) 11:21, 10 May 2011 (UTC)

Why don't you do it ... after the discussion has taken place and the articles have consensus to even exist. You seem to be intent on creating work for others here. - Sitush (talk) 11:24, 10 May 2011 (UTC)

Categories

Hello, please desist from moving articles solely about the Indian part of Punjab from Category:Punjab (India) to Category:Punjab; Category:Punjab is already a parent category of Category:Punjab (India). Regards Crusoe8181 (talk) 11:22, 10 May 2011 (UTC)

ANI

Hi Maheshkumaryadav. I just commented here. Please read it. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 11:45, 10 May 2011 (UTC)

(My comment.) Anna Frodesiak (talk) 11:55, 10 May 2011 (UTC)

Explain abbreviation

What does the abbreviation UT mean? You have used it in some of your police articles created yesterday (and which I am having to copyedit now, when I really am supposed to be committed to mediating a sourcing problem on another Indian article), eg: Chandigarh_Police. Thanks. - Sitush (talk) 12:17, 10 May 2011 (UTC)

Union Territories, more can be found at States and territories of India. Thanks.Mahesh Kumar Yadav (talk) 12:19, 10 May 2011 (UTC)

Great. Can you please make this clear in the relevant articles (there are a few of them using the abbreviation). - Sitush (talk) 12:39, 10 May 2011 (UTC)

Yes? No? - Sitush (talk) 14:24, 10 May 2011 (UTC)

(sigh) I've fixed them myself, since you have started editing other stuff again. Another issue is raised, however. If these are Union Territories, why are they called States in the infobox? Are the two terms synonymous? - Sitush (talk) 15:53, 10 May 2011 (UTC)

'Union Territories' should be used for the Union Territories in infobox also. I am thankful for your contributions. Mahesh Kumar Yadav (talk) 16:29, 10 May 2011 (UTC)

OK, I've just taken a look at the relevant UT forces again and am starting to think that you really need to fix this yourself. Couple with the infobox problems mentioned below and also the lack of citations, I am not sure that I'll get it right if I edit the things. There are too many variables and, which is worse, there are also features in the infoboxes which at present do not show even though you have entered content, eg: vehicles used, weaponry, animals. The whole thing is a jumble of truths, half-truths, inconsistencies and even incompetence. Please will you advise that you will resolve these issues promptly for all 21 of the articles. If you will not then I think the safest solution is to remove the infoboxes from all of them, and if that is done then there really isn't much left to the articles at all. - Sitush (talk) 16:39, 10 May 2011 (UTC)

Haryana Police

With reference to your recently created article on Haryana Police, please could you advise:

1. what is the difference between "governmental" and "government agency" in the infobox
2. is there any meaningful difference between "law enforcement agency" and "civilian police"? Would the latter not cover the former?
3. what is the correct title of the overviewing authority? The article body says the Department of Home Affairs but the infobox says Home Office
4. can you confirm that the headquarters really are called "State Police Headquarters"
5. is there any difference between "Home Office" and "Ministry of Home Affairs" in the parent agency section of the infobox? And presumably either of both of these could also be "Department of Home Affairs", bearing in mind my query above
6. what is the purpose of the footnote about Divisional Agencies? It seems to be saying that the Haryana Police have operational jurisdiction over the entire State of India
7. where is the citation for the parent/overviewing body?

I'll fix the typo in the infobox in a moment but making sense of the above would help considerably. Similar issues appear to exist in most (perhaps even all) of the other articles you created yesterday about Indian police forces. Thanks. - Sitush (talk) 15:29, 10 May 2011 (UTC)

• I used the framework for infobox of US law enforcement agency and modified some content.

1. In Indian context "governmental" and "government agency" both are same.
2. There are other law enforcement agencies than police also like CBI in India.
3. Department of Home Affairs is over-viewing authority
4. State Police Headquarters can be confirmed from, website of individual police official websites, i have kept them empty.
5. Footnote can be removed.
6. Taking help from some Indian experienced Wikipedia is advised for futher information.\

Thanks. Mahesh Kumar Yadav (talk) 15:39, 10 May 2011 (UTC)

OK. Clearly a lot of errors there, then, although I do not understand your last point.

Are you going to fix them or does muggins here have to do it? As I said, the problems exist on several of the articles and indeed perhaps all 21 of them. I've spent more time fixing than you spent creating, which seems bizarre when the articles were created by an editor with 3,500 edits to his name. BTW, you have not kept the HQ empty - that is where I picked up the name from! - Sitush (talk) 15:45, 10 May 2011 (UTC)

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• Mahesh, this has to stop here and now. Please. There is no need whatsoever to separate out all of these lists of schools from the main article. This is the sort of thing one can forgive a new user, but you've been here for a long time and you still seem to be a bit lost. I praised you for that article on the police department, but when I logged back on, you'd simply rubber-stamped a whole bunch of articles without bothering to change the facts from article to article. --PMDrive1061 (talk) 17:04, 10 May 2011 (UTC)

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Suspension from active contributions

After few days of extra active time on Wikipedia, i am suspending my active contributions for the time being. Some experienced wikipedians can take the credit for that. Thanks. Mahesh Kumar Yadav (talk) 19:04, 10 May 2011 (UTC)

Sorry to read that. Hopefully you will be back soon - just take a short break. In your absence, I'll clean up the police force articles as mentioned above. I can't possibly work out what the infoboxes should say, so they'll probably be deleted for now. It's no biggie as they can always be reinstated with the correct info either when you return or by someone else in the interval. - Sitush (talk) 19:11, 10 May 2011 (UTC)

Mahesh Kumar Yadav: If that statement was intended to elicit guilt, please think about your own conduct upon entering this collaborative community.

• You did not really discuss anything. You simply told us what you were going to do, and then did it, over the objections of other editors.
• You witnessed numerous editors spending lots of time helping you on talk pages and fixing up your articles.

Your energy and enthusiam is very welcome and needed here, but you must work with others. Abandon the renegade thing. I suggest that you work on what you have already created.

You don't need to run away. You don't need to stand and fight. The best plan is to be part of the team. We will welcome you with open arms. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 19:37, 10 May 2011 (UTC)

I have to second Anna's sentiment, Sadads (talk) 20:36, 10 May 2011 (UTC)

I agree as well, we are all in the same boat here. I appreciate when another editor stops what they are doing and helps me out. It takes awhile to get used to all of the rules and polices. Just take it slow and come back. If you decide not to, the encyclopedia moves on.--NortyNort (Holla) 22:27, 10 May 2011 (UTC)

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Hello Mahesh

Thanks for your note on my talk page. I am not sure how I can help you. Whatever little time after office I get for wikipedia I use on some creative work rather than on talk or project-related pages. I agree that there is some systematic bias and that a few editors here are somewhat aggressive,ignorant and arrogant. However most of them are helpful and reasonable. Unforetunately many good editors from India have withdrawn themselves from wikipedia in last couple of years for various reasons. I feel you should continue to be active and contribute. Some of the articles created by you were badly needed. Good wishes. Shyamsunder (talk) 10:29, 11 May 2011 (UTC)

An effort to communicate

Please, (and I think this will be my last attempt to communicate with you), start a dialogue here. Let me type that again:

Start a dialogue here

This is the first step to helping create and expand India-related articles. We're not police. We're not bosses. We're like you. We're all just trying to help the project.

Here's an example. Look at others' talk pages and you will see how everyone does it:

• YOU: You say that the articles are not working out. Why?
• SOMEONE ELSE: Well, because they aren't quite ready to break away from the main article, plus you said you have no time to expand them.
• YOU: Oh. What can I do?
• SOMEONE ELSE: Well, I think we can all agree that preparing something in your sandbox first might be good.
• YOU: Ah. I see. Okay. I want to make more village stubs.
• SOMEONE ELSE: What about the existing ones?
• YOU: No. I want to leave those and just make more.
• SOMEONE ELSE: It might be helpful if you found coordinates for those first. What do you think?
• YOU: What if I don't?
• SOMEONE ELSE: Probably consensus will be to delete them.
• YOU: I see. Well, what if........

Do you see what I mean? Let's start a dialogue now. I'll go first:

• Hi there. What would you like to do next? Maybe we can all help. :) Anna Frodesiak (talk)

• Hi, I have learnt things, with interaction. Would continue contributing, as and when time allows. Mahesh Kumar Yadav (talk) 13:19, 11 May 2011 (UTC)

• And hello again to you, my friend. Splendid. When your time allows, we will all be delighted to discuss and assist with your plans. Thank you for continuing the dialogue. Let's hope this is the beginning of a wonderful collaborative relationship. :) Anna Frodesiak (talk) 13:27, 11 May 2011 (UTC)

This is where you reply. Then we have a back and forth discussion, and make a plan so that you are happy and India-related Wikipedia gets bigger. Okay? Dialogue is the key, my friend. :) Anna Frodesiak (talk) 10:55, 11 May 2011 (UTC)

Respect to experienced users

• Hi, I would like to thank, the experienced users for the guidance. Last few days i had time, thats why i was able to invest, but in coming days i might not be having that much time. Regarding the articles i created, those were needed, and are still needed, but if they lacked quality, the other users are welcome to improve them or delete them, as per there judgement. I won't be able to improve all of them myself. Thanks.Mahesh Kumar Yadav (talk) 11:09, 11 May 2011 (UTC)

Mahesh, you're one of the good ones. Like Anna said, we're here to help you and to help the project. Remember, the end user is the reason we're here and it's clear you want to help in that way. I apologize for having deleted that subpage; you had it titled as an article talk page and I deleted it as an orphaned page. I would never have deleted your subpage had I known. It's been restored. Thank you for your enthusiasm and now that you understand the concept of stubs better than before, I'm confident that we'll see lots of good stuff from you in the future. We're here to help you. Take care and feel free to stay in touch if I can be of help. PMDrive1061 (talk) 14:34, 11 May 2011 (UTC)

Thanks. Mahesh Kumar Yadav (talk) 14:37, 11 May 2011 (UTC)

You're welcome and please don't take any of this personally. Trolls and vandals are quickly booted from the site but all of us will do all we can to help a well-meaning, dedicated and yes, experienced user like yourself improve his skills. Like I said, if you need me or Anna or any of us, you just holler on our talk pages. Glad I happened to catch you online; I need to sign off. PMDrive1061 (talk) 14:44, 11 May 2011 (UTC)

I agree with the above. However, could I please remind you that copyright violations and plagiarism are not acceptable and that, basically, if you cannot provide a reliable source for a statement then it is best not to include it. If you do not say it then the article cannot be wrong; if you do say it then all sorts of issues could arise. I have just made numerous (mostly minor) changes to Land_reform_in_India, an article which you have just created. Unfortunately it included both an issue of plagiarism and multiple citation problems. Most of those cite problems involved there being no citation at all, but in one instance the citation was there but did not support the statement which you had made. You'll get the hang of it, and I am sure will soon produce an article that Wikipedia can be proud of. - Sitush (talk) 00:32, 12 May 2011 (UTC)

A dialogue about the 472 village stubs

Hello my friend. I see you've just created 2011 land acquisition protests in Uttar Pradesh. Wonderful.

Could we please discuss the village stubs? You say you have no time to add coordinates, maps, or population statistics, yet you have time to create other articles. These village stubs would be an asset if some of that data were added. Plus, it would ensure that they do not get deleted, which is likely if they remain the way they are. I wouldn't want to see all that time you spent wasted. (For your convenience, I've listed them here.)

Also, focusing on these stubs would be appreciated by the community, and it would help you avoid conflict over creating new articles.

Please, let's discuss this matter. What do you think? Best, Anna Frodesiak (talk) 00:46, 12 May 2011 (UTC)

That sounds like a plan! 472 without co-ords etc? Waaaaah _{(... runs screaming into the hills).} Someone will have to be busy. Needs doing, though, and the originator is usually best placed. This is the quantity vs quality argument, I guess. Even if you believe in quantity, you're wasting your time if they get deleted for failure to follow even the most basic policies and guidelines. Go for it, Mahesh. You'll most likely know more about these than, for example, I would and you've said yourself that the villagers have issues with literacy and with internet connectivity, so the chances of them doing it are not great. - Sitush (talk) 01:03, 12 May 2011 (UTC)

I can't find a single Indian government listing with coords or populations stats, etc. Silly me. I thought you got the list from an external source.

The Haryana government site is a bit muddled, but they did a survey. I'm finding census pdfs of people, but no village lists, yet.

Doing these one by one is obviously out of the question, so if a list cannot be found, I will personally recommend mass deletion on the grounds that there is no proof that these villages even exist. Sorry to say that, but therein lies the hazard of acting hastily without dialogue. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 01:26, 12 May 2011 (UTC)

Mahesh might be better placed, though. I've found from experience that the government websites etc of India are generally rather muddled (I am trying to be polite here) and then there is the problem of transliteration/local spellings, as well as the fact that a lot of things seem simply to be referred to by numerous names. There is also the Indian tradition of oral history, which Wikipedia policies and guidelines simply do not have the capacity to deal with. However, if you cannot find anything and he cannot then, yes, they will most likely have to go. What a shame. - Sitush (talk) 01:37, 12 May 2011 (UTC)

I am searching here. At the bottom there is a link for village lists. It craps out for me. Can someone else try? Anna Frodesiak (talk) 01:40, 12 May 2011 (UTC)

And same for me. This is actually normal for Indian government sites, unfortunately. They seem to take SNAFU a bit too literally ;)- Sitush (talk) 01:45, 12 May 2011 (UTC)

I agree. Well, in order for those stubs to remain, Maheshkumaryadav (because nobody else will do it) needs to dig up a list somehow, extract the info, prepare some CSVLoader magic, get Loader permission, and run the whole thing. The chance of that happening is miniscule. I think those stubs are on borrowed time. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 02:01, 12 May 2011 (UTC)

Let's make the question more direct: Maheshkumaryadav, where did you find the names of those Indian villages that you created stubs for? Are they from a book? An almanac? A website? Your own personal knowledge? Once we know that, we might know how to go about finding more information. Qwyrxian (talk) 02:12, 12 May 2011 (UTC)

(edit conflict) It could be done manually one at a time, although it would take a while. However, if Mahesh cannot/will not then I would tend to agree that they should go as all we have might as well be a case of "monkeys typing the works of Shakespeare" (if you know that story). Someone explained the reasoning for possible deletion very well in the recent AN/I discussion. However, I'll pick some at random from your prepared list and see if anything turns up that way. Meanwhile, let's see what Mahesh says. - Sitush (talk) 02:15, 12 May 2011 (UTC)

The source appears to be from List of villages in Panchkula district (started 9 September 2010) or List of villages in Haryana (started 9 May 2011 ), both of which were created by Maheshkumaryadav. I'm curious about the original source. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 02:31, 12 May 2011 (UTC)

Each contains around 630 villages. List of villages in Haryana contains all Panchkula district villages. It's really the same list as List of villages in Panchkula district laid out differently. I have yet to figure out why he created 472. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 02:37, 12 May 2011 (UTC)

Okay. I figured it out. The other articles already existed. He just bluelinked the redlinks. Some of the old articles are sourced, which might lead us to a list proving the existence of this new 472, and maybe coords, and census figures, etc. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 02:43, 12 May 2011 (UTC)

• Sorry, because of time difference, i was not able to participate in above discussion. The names are taken from List of villages in Haryana which was created in September 9, 2010. I tried googling for the 'consolidated' list for the district, but i am not able to find the list at this moment, but in September it was there. Might be the govt. department removed the list from the site. Some names can be found here http://hid.gov.in/barsati/villages.pdf , http://panchkula.nic.in/panchayati_raj.asp (in Hindi in the blue links). Another method to check the reliability of the name can be randomly choose any village name and google it with village name + panchkula . It can prove the village do exist. Regarding go-coordinates i haven't tried putting them earlier, Exact go-cordinates i won't be able to find, geo-co-ordintates of panckula can be used till we find the exact one. If the number of villages had been less, some of you would have corrected them, But after seeing the quantity, most of you are also afraid to go ahead and put that much time. Deleting may seem easier option to you. Had it been 4 villages, these would have been improved and would have easily survived. But because they are 400, they can't be met with different fate. Each village is and individual article, before deleting each village, it should be googled. Mass deletion is NOT an option. If me and other involved don't have enough patience and time to google each and go-cordinate each village. Find some middle way to let them survive. Thanks Mahesh Kumar Yadav (talk) 05:48, 12 May 2011 (UTC)

Adding a reference when making List of villages in Haryana would have been helpful.

The sites you recommend aren't working out.

Mass deletion IS certainly an option.

Do you intend on adding what is needed to each article? Anna Frodesiak (talk) 05:55, 12 May 2011 (UTC)

How can i add ? Give an example. Mahesh Kumar Yadav (talk) 06:17, 12 May 2011 (UTC)

I can not tell you how. That is your responsibility. I can tell you what, which is also your responsibility: The stubs need at least one of the following (and probably more): a reference, coordinates, some data like population, a map. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 06:31, 12 May 2011 (UTC)

Can you provide it for ONE ?Mahesh Kumar Yadav (talk) 06:49, 12 May 2011 (UTC)

I have looked at 26 on Anna's list so far, selected at random. Cannot find a source for any of those. - Sitush (talk) 07:01, 12 May 2011 (UTC)

"If the number of villages had been less, some of you would have corrected them ..." etc. Wow, that is pretty breathtaking arrogance, Mahesh. Anyway, has Wayback been tried for the missing list? I've never had a lot of luck with it for Indian govt sites due to the no bots directives they use, but it is worth a go. - Sitush (talk) 06:46, 12 May 2011 (UTC)

This is a waste of our energy

I am inclined toward cutting my losses here and now. Maheshkumaryadav created some useful content in some useful articles. But approximately 250,000 back page keytrokes have been spent sorting things out. Further hours will be spent mopping up.

Considering that Maheshkumaryadav is unlikely to touch these village stubs, and has created yet another article a few hours ago, against the consensus of several very vocal and patient editors, I suggest deletion of the village stubs, possible deletion of one of the two village list articles, and an immediate article creation ban.

Protecting feelings and helping a user is one thing, but this is taking a big toll on the project and its resources. I would love to see everyone get back to building an encyclopedia. As far as I'm concerned, enough is enough. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 03:03, 12 May 2011 (UTC)

He created several new articles on 11 May, I think. One of the others is mentioned above in my comment under "Respect ...". - Sitush (talk) 06:48, 12 May 2011 (UTC)

Villages in Punjab

I intend to create stubs for villages in Punjab. The source of names will be government site http://www.pbplanning.gov.in/districts.htm .

• Would you like to suggest any good template for Indian village.

Please do not create the stubs until the community has a chance to comment.

Please respond to my question above concerning the previous 472 unsourced village stubs that will likely soon all be deleted. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 06:26, 12 May 2011 (UTC)

How to add to those village stubs? Please do work for one village and guide ? Mahesh Kumar Yadav (talk) 06:30, 12 May 2011 (UTC)

Would you like to suggest any good template for Indian village. In this case the source is official http://www.pbplanning.gov.in/districts.htm . Strong reference. Mahesh Kumar Yadav (talk) 06:32, 12 May 2011 (UTC)

I looked and could not find any lists. Digging up info for each article individually is not practical. You need to find a survey or census list. Something like that.

Please, before even considering Punjab, dig for supporting references for the 472 village stubs. Tell us what you find. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 06:37, 12 May 2011 (UTC)

Mahesh, any time now it looks like the temporary ban on article creation in mainspace is likely to come into force. Is it really worth creating quite so many new articles in your own userspace without first trying to fix the hundreds of articles you have already created? Even the ones you did yesterday (which at least had some references) need more citations. I strikes me that this is all going to end in tears unless you start taking on board some of the comments and reining in your enthusiasm for new article creation slightly. Walk before you run. - Sitush (talk) 06:54, 12 May 2011 (UTC)

He just created List of villages in Mohali district. The community has been clear in their objections. He doesn't care. He did it anyway. No more AGF for me. Let's get this block in place before he does any more damage. Maheshkumaryadav: You lost us. You had half a dozen editors running around for you. I doubt if anyone will support anything you do any longer. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 06:57, 12 May 2011 (UTC)

List of villages in Mohali district is a mess. There are duplicates all over the place. AfD fodder. Maheshkumaryadav: you are wasting your time and our time. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 06:59, 12 May 2011 (UTC)

Not just dupes, but bluelinks to disambig pages that do not feature the village in question. It needs some serious work, Mahesh, before you go any further. - Sitush (talk) 08:02, 12 May 2011 (UTC)

Experienced users are requested to improve the User_talk:Maheshkumaryadav/village_sandbox stub that can be used for Mohali district villages in Punjab. Mahesh Kumar Yadav (talk) 07:57, 12 May 2011 (UTC)

Can the villages have geo-tag (that of Mohali district) that can be refined later, because exact geo-tag is not known? or would it be advisable to leave geo-tag empty ?Mahesh Kumar Yadav (talk) 08:03, 12 May 2011 (UTC)

I am not sure why you are bothering to ask because you'll probably just do your own thing anyway. However, the answer is "no" to both. - Sitush (talk) 08:08, 12 May 2011 (UTC)

What are you doing? Please stop. You created List of villages in Mohali district full of duplicates for others to clean up, a dozen AfD articles, and 472 village stubs about villages that may not exist. Now you are about to create more? Please stop. You are ignoring the community. Please stop now and discuss this. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 08:10, 12 May 2011 (UTC)

Instead of using {{PAGENAME}}, there was something else like {{'SUBT:'PAGENAME}}. What was that word, that helps replacing itself with pagename. I would like others to improve User_talk:Maheshkumaryadav/village_sandbox, so later the individual stubs are of good quality. Thanks.Mahesh Kumar Yadav (talk) 08:15, 12 May 2011 (UTC)

Mahesh, a dialogue involves two parties. The word's root actually comes straight from that. You are not engaging in dialogue but rather imposing on the other parties. This is not how things are meant to work. Start responding to the concerns and people may start once again to assist you but, right now, your store of good faith is extremely limited and your attitude is becoming very irritating. Normally calm and measured people, such as Anna, are clearly becoming tired of trying to cope with you ... and that takes some doing. So, just stop ploughing your own furrow for a bit and address the concerns of others. Thanks. - Sitush (talk) 08:20, 12 May 2011 (UTC)

Aaaaah, this is nuts: Mahesh, you are alienating some of your biggest advocates. You need to stop and talk else you will not have any supporters in the community, and will likely be banned or thoroughly stopped from participating in certain activities (such as creating new pages). Sadads (talk) 08:28, 12 May 2011 (UTC)

I posted here asking to rush the block. We could really use an admin on this before the Punjab stubs hit the mainspace. This editor has obviously gone renegade and must be stopped. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 08:32, 12 May 2011 (UTC)

Requested article creation block decision

Sorry, Mahesh, but your time is up. You have exhausted my good faith. I have asked that the proposal at AN/I be closed with immediate effect, which will almost certainly result in your being blocked from creating articles in mainspace. Enough is enough. - Sitush (talk) 07:12, 12 May 2011 (UTC)

Agreed. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 07:16, 12 May 2011 (UTC)

And, please, if it does go as I expect it will, do not come back here shouting about systemic bias etc. You have been given a ton of opportunities to collaborate and in fact probably far more than would have been given to someone from, say, London or New York. We have tried, we really have. - Sitush (talk) 07:19, 12 May 2011 (UTC)

Here come the Punjab stubs: [1][2]. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 07:58, 12 May 2011 (UTC)

And now the Punjab article are live - is there a way to block someone from everything for failing to abide by consensus?

As per section title, is there? A temporary block of, say, a week. I know that this means the articles are unlikely to be developed but I am now at my wit's end with this person. - Sitush (talk) 08:39, 12 May 2011 (UTC)

Disruptive editing? Honestly, I've never seen this sort of behaviour before. It is bizarre and I am at a loss. - Sitush (talk) 08:46, 12 May 2011 (UTC)

Made request at WP:ANI, wish I was a sysop right now... more instigation for me to get the permission, Sadads (talk) 08:47, 12 May 2011 (UTC)

Yes, you are the third person to do that. When even you & Anna become frustrated, well, it really is something. However, the latest actions (and bearing in mind that Mahesh is aware of the general situation) take this into a whole new area. As far as I am concerned, he needs some sort of more serious sanction, although I am aware that sanctions are not intended to be punitive. He now has all the appearances of simply not caring about the community at all. - Sitush (talk) 08:50, 12 May 2011 (UTC)

Finally blocked. Ahhhh. Now, a cleanup plan. Where to discuss it? A new section here? I'm not that interested in input from the offending editor. What are the rules on a discussion location for a coordinated cleanup? Anna Frodesiak (talk) 08:55, 12 May 2011 (UTC)

I have just gently broached that subject at User_talk:Fram. - Sitush (talk) 08:59, 12 May 2011 (UTC)

(edit conflict)I love recent changes: you can always find people who are currently doing stuff (thats how I found Fram). No, I don't think there is a coordinating place for cleanup, though we may want to bring in some people from WP:India. In fact, we may want to coordinate it there, but we also may want to leave it here, so that we can show Mahesh what dialogue looks like, Sadads (talk) 09:02, 12 May 2011 (UTC)

Recent changes to find an admin. You clever bunny. I've learned something new today. :) :) :)

Maheshkumaryadav's input might be disruptive, and I'm not interested in what he has to say. If others want to experience his dialogue, there's plenty of that above. I'd prefer to coordinate this off this talk page.

There's plenty of room at Cafe Anna subpages. We could leave a link here for transparency and notify at WPINDIA, etc. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 09:10, 12 May 2011 (UTC)

Sounds good, Sadads (talk) 09:11, 12 May 2011 (UTC)

While frustration may be understandable, please remain civil and assume good faith that the block will achieve what the ANI discussion hasn't achieved in terms of discussion and a willingness to come to a compromise and to respect the communities wishes. Fram (talk) 09:13, 12 May 2011 (UTC)

Thanks Fram. You're right. Herbal tea time and a deep breath for me. :) Anna Frodesiak (talk) 09:33, 12 May 2011 (UTC)

Indef block

You have been indefblocked for disruptive editing, i.c. continuing to create articles when a discussion of a ban on the creation of such articles is ongoing and has clear support. Please don't act so blatantly against consensus like you are doing here. You can be unblocked if you stop creating new articles in the mainspace (you can do so in your userspace and ask for them to be moved to the mainspace), or if the block on you creating such articles doesn't get enacted (which seems unlikely at the moment). Note that "indef" just means "until you agree to these unblock requirements", not that you are by definition facing a long block. Fram (talk) 09:04, 12 May 2011 (UTC)

I request to look into all my main space contributions for taking a complete and wholesome view to revert the block. Mahesh Kumar Yadav (talk) 09:29, 12 May 2011 (UTC)

Thanks

• Does article creation needs consensus ?
• Can you list exact Wikipedia rules for needing a consensus before starting an article? My interactions too had been civic.
• Which of my articles are vandalism ?

Mahesh Kumar Yadav (talk) 09:18, 12 May 2011 (UTC)

• Article creation needs consensus to be maintained on Wikipedia, especially consensus on WP:Notability and WP:Verifiability of content. Often this is not voiced because New Page Patrollers are silently giving consensus to newly created articles every day, and are regularly nominating articles for deletion because of notability reasons, and thus bringing it to the wider awareness of the community.

You mean consensus for maintaining not creation.Mahesh Kumar Yadav (talk) 09:33, 12 May 2011 (UTC)

When consensus is against the creation of the articles from the very beginning, it is appropriate for the other editors to be listened to, and your own contributions be assessed within that context, before actually creating the content. Again this is part of WP:5. You are quibling over words, when in fact the only policies that matter, are that consensus is reached and content is verified per numbers 2,4&5 at WP:5. You are not working with the consensus opinion,Sadads (talk) 10:01, 12 May 2011 (UTC)

• Again see WP:V and WP:N. Also, see WP:5 which clearly says that Wikipedians should interact in a civil manner, which clearly you were not doing, by neither reflecting on what other people were saying nor trying to solve the problems.

Which of my words have not been civic. Mahesh Kumar Yadav (talk) 09:33, 12 May 2011 (UTC)

The lack of words addressing the issue is what has not been wikt:civil. In fact your all your edits have been signs of Civic engagement, Sadads (talk) 09:56, 12 May 2011 (UTC)

• All of the village stubs are close to useless, read all the comments above, and actually think about what it means to create a whole bunch of articles that no one will actually work on for years.

Indian village stubs are useless as per you. Does these involve those of Punjab, because of which i was blocked. Mahesh Kumar Yadav (talk) 09:33, 12 May 2011 (UTC)

No village stubs from England and the United States are also useless if they have no references, population data and/or geocordinates, you have not been reading our points about the stubs above, Sadads (talk) 10:05, 12 May 2011 (UTC)

I hope that answers your questions, I am sure someone else will answer as well, Sadads (talk) 09:24, 12 May 2011 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Consensus has the basic outline of problems. Furthermore, I blocked you for Wikipedia:Disruptive editing, not for vandalism. From DE: "A disruptive editor is an editor who:[...] continues editing an article or group of articles in pursuit of a certain point for an extended time despite opposition from other editors. [...] continuing to edit in pursuit of a certain point despite an opposing consensus from impartial editors." You ignored community input rather blatantly, and that is disruptive editing. Fram (talk) 09:32, 12 May 2011 (UTC)

I've prepared a list of his articles here: User:Anna Frodesiak/Silver sandbox. It can be dumped into a WPINDIA subpage, or here, or wherever you like. This might be helpful to see what we can save, what should AfD, what is currently AfD, etc. Please feel free to modify the page any way you like. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 09:31, 12 May 2011 (UTC)

I must say though that beyond the "sub stubs" and controversial articles this is an inherently good contributor to wikipedia who edits in good faith. It is is very clear from his contributions he does a lot of good work on much needed topics, even if some of them may be POV magnets. I strongly protest an indefinite block on this editor; however, I urge him to respect the community views on sub stubs on Indian villages which have a hard job to be expanded. Indian villages are already in a huge mess on wikipedia and lack editors to even nuture the main towns let alone the villages. The articles you created can of course be expanded into something "useful" but the probability is they will not be, given the lack of quality editors working on Indian geography. i can count the number of editors workong on Indian geography on my right hand, sadly. The major towns are in desperate need of improving and lack the editors, villages in rural India will not attract anybody but the occasional ip who barely speaks english and adds unsourced crap like lists of schools and inserts their POV like you see plaguing the Pakistan and India articles. So creating stubs on Indian villages however much we need them is one of the most difficult things to have to deal with because of the fact of no quality editor is nurturing them or watching them.. That of course is not a reason to prevent new content, but it would most certainly help if you could add population and a fact or two so they at least have some use in the time being given that no other editor is likely to expand them other than IPs and newbies who edit poorly written crap to them. Sorry but we need contributors on Indian topics and if you really examine the sum of Mahesh's contributions he is clearly editing in good faith and genuinely wants to improve Indian coverage and I believe that this editor has identified notable topics, even if they are not written in the highest quality. He does need to learn a lesson that he can't edit whatever he likes if multiple people are concerned with it. I completely contest the view that the community should control what he edits or creates, however I believe that if there is particular concern about a certain course of editing as with here then Mahesh should refrain from creating further articles which multiple people are concerned with and try to create new content which people are content with, e.g population data and a few facts and reliable sources. If Mahesh you could illustrate to use you can create neutral articles and Indian villages with a fact or two using census data or something as Anna Frodesiak asked for then I'm sure you'd have support. I think he deserves another chance to show his worth and if he persists on creating one liners without content then block him.♦ Dr. Blofeld 09:36, 12 May 2011 (UTC)

The difficulty lies in the number of times over the past week that we have reminded Mahesh of these very same issues, from several different users, again and again. If you notice, I have been advocating, that in fact he does add meaningful content the entire time. However, every-time we seem to have gotten through to him, he quibles over the details or ignores the implications of the advice that comes in many different forms. I look forward to Mahesh proposing certain revisions of the articles that Anna has provided in the list, and if they consistently address the issues, I will certainly implement them and after several signs of such good work endorse an unblock, Sadads (talk) 09:52, 12 May 2011 (UTC)

I agree. Good points. Indef in not necessary. Temporary is, in order to encourage dialogue (which is suddenly now happening), and to establish a working relationship. The block was necessary to slow things down.

Maheshkumaryadav: If you're reading this, let's talk. You do good work. But when others object to some of your plans, you must listen. You can object if you want. But you can't ignore and continue anyway. That's what we've been saying. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 09:52, 12 May 2011 (UTC)

Punjab village stubs

The reason for my getting blocking was the creation of Punjab village stubs. Does the Punjab village stubs like Jharmari not qualify for minimum requirement for a village stub. Can creating a stub like this be a reason of getting blocked from editing completely. Mahesh Kumar Yadav (talk) 09:44, 12 May 2011 (UTC)

No, it should not be a reason of getting blocked from editing completely. However, you continued to create one liners during a conversation and ANI report after people had asked for you to cease creating for the moment whilst discussion and input was given so that is enough to validate you being blocked Well, the village is verifiable and there is consensus that populated places are generally notable. However, many people detest one line stubs about villages which contain nothing more than xxxx is a village. With India creating short stubs is more problematic than other countries because India (and Pakistan) have quite a high Internet useage compared to certain other developing world countries and people who speak poor english come across them and add the worst content imaginable. There is a severe lack of editors who are actually going to expand your stubs so the likelihood is that they would not be edited by a quality fluent editors for at least five years. ♦ Dr. Blofeld 09:51, 12 May 2011 (UTC)

One of the problems (apart from the general disregard for community input) is that your creations are not careful enough. You created Asrewali, which is probably correct, and 18 minutes (and a few hundred articles) later, you create A- Asrewali, which is most probably completely wrong. Everyone makes mistakes, but with semi-automated or list-based mass creation of articles, the chance of errors is much higher, and there is much less time to check those edits, making it much more probable that articles which should never have been created enter the encyclopedia. Your more recent articles at least had sources, which is obviously an improvement, but more collaboration, and more thoughtful article creation, is needed if you don't want to run into the same problems over and over again. Fram (talk) 10:02, 12 May 2011 (UTC)

Does Maheshkumaryadav need punishment

what Mahesh did wrong? what punishment does he deserve? Mahesh Kumar Yadav (talk) 10:00, 12 May 2011 (UTC)

Unblocking Maheshkumaryadav

Can someone take the lead to unblock me.Mahesh Kumar Yadav (talk) 09:55, 12 May 2011 (UTC)

We don't have the means to only block you from creating articles, and let you continue editing otherwise. If you voluntarily agree to stop creating articles (until the ANI discussion is ended without a ban (improbable), or until the ban on article creation is lifted), I will unblock you, or any other admin can unblock you, and you can edit as much as you like as long as you don't create articles. If you have any alternatives, other suggestions, please present them, these conditions are not set in stone. Fram (talk) 10:00, 12 May 2011 (UTC)

To what should i agree ? Mahesh Kumar Yadav (talk) 10:03, 12 May 2011 (UTC)

You may change the block to particular time period, if it satisfies others, my personal view is i don't deserve a block Mahesh Kumar Yadav (talk) 10:05, 12 May 2011 (UTC)

The fact that you continued to create when multiple editors showed concern and were in discussion with you is disruptive, even if you believed you were doing it in good faith. Anna Frodesiak in particular has been very understanding with you and has tried very hard to influence you to become a better editor and create good content as she sees potential, as do I. I hope you've learned your lesson that if there is considerable concern discussing your new articles it is probably not a good idea to create more while discussions are going on! It is enough to make a block for 24-48 hours valid. Given though that your articles are legitimate topics and you've shown to be a productive editor towards Indian topics, I do not believe you should be banned from editing. We need contributors such as yourself and to mentor them into becoming better editors. But if you are going to create new articles the "I can't be bothered to do a google search" is most certainly not good enough. If you can add say a population figure and a fact or two about the village I would fully support you. I understand the frustration behind creating sub stubs in light of the sheer missing content, I've been one of the biggest culprits of village stubs myself, but in this productive way of thinking you see them as "planting seeds" but other editors see them as a nuisance and useless and take them at face value rather than seeing their potential. However with India it is more serious a problem than most other countries given the size and exposure to ip vandalism and poor editing.. So if you are going to create articles on Indian villages they need a solid fact or two because it is unlikely they are going to be expanded properly and nurtured. Unless you can fully respect the views of people here and promise not to generate more sub stubs on Indian villages without some information then somebody may unblock you.. ♦ Dr. Blofeld 10:06, 12 May 2011 (UTC)

If you agree to no longer create articles in the mainspace, I will unblock you or any other admin may unblock you. You are free to suggest other solutions, but I will not unconditionally unblock you. Fram (talk) 10:10, 12 May 2011 (UTC)

Isn't there census data available for India? I was certain there was.♦ Dr. Blofeld 10:11, 12 May 2011 (UTC)

Ok, i agree, i will not create village stubs, Thought it will take 5 or 10 years until the persons in those villages get educated and create the articles themselves. I will not be the one creating them. Mahesh Kumar Yadav (talk) 10:12, 12 May 2011 (UTC)

I request to close the ANI discussions and calculate the amount of punishment. I agree not to create village articles, but i would like to create articles in main space, as most of them are good ones. Kindly remove indefinite and make it time bound. Mahesh Kumar Yadav (talk) 10:16, 12 May 2011 (UTC)

I would also request that you desist from adding copyrighted or plagiarised material and that you try not to insert statements without providing a citation. Your edits on land protest/reform issues yesterday (articles which you generally created) demonstrated all of these problems, which have previously been brought to your attention. Thanks. - Sitush (talk) 10:17, 12 May 2011 (UTC)

Sorry, but the vast majority in mainspace were not good ones. However, they were mostly the village ones, with the rest being at least minimally ok. - Sitush (talk) 10:19, 12 May 2011 (UTC)

I believe Maheshkumaryadav should have a right to create whatever he wants in the mainspace providing it contains verifiable content and is sourced/neutral. His work may not be of the highest quality but he still deserves a right to edit wikipedia and write about whatever he wants. However, he most certainly should NOT plagiarise and copy material from other sites, write articles plagued with POV and potentially liable claims or continue to create one liners on topics multiple people are concerned with. I would fully support articles on 638,000 Indian villages if we had the editors looking after them and they contained encyclopedic content. But the fact is that we don't and the current content we have on Indian settlements is in a terrible state! If you could create them with some facts and census data I would support, although I would still be wary of ip traffic and the fact that they will degrade.. It is not creating articles on Indian villages which is neccesarily a bad thing, a truly comprehensive wikipedia would have good articles on every settlement in the world, it is the way they are being created without proper research is the concern, given that nobody else is going to...♦ Dr. Blofeld

"Ok, i agree, i will not create village stubs". While a step in the right direction, this is not sufficient. The ANi discussion is about a full stop on article creation, not only village stubs. Fram (talk) 10:37, 12 May 2011 (UTC)

I have to agree with Fram, there is plenty of content that could greatly use you expertise already ! Sadads (talk) 11:53, 12 May 2011 (UTC)

A note to everyone: it's not just the village stubs that were a problem. I originally became involved when xe created a huge number of "articles" on various micro-topics related to corruption in India. These were not what Dr. Blofield called above "POV magnets"--these were articles that were fundamentally POV--they were advocacy pieces written because Mahesh believes that corruption is a huge problem in India (which it may well be) that must be talked about for the good of the country. Many of those articles are currently undergoing either merger or deletion discussions. At this point, I believe that whether or not Mahesh is allowed to create new articles is not up to xem--the community at ANI has spoken very clearly that this is not a task that Mahesh is currently doing correctly, and the problems xyr articles have caused other editors currently more than outweighs any potential benefits those new articles may have. I support unblocking Mahesh, but the community sanctioned topic ban on article creation should stay. As stated in that ban, Mahesh is welcome to create articles in xyr userspace, but not in mainspace. I still hold out hope, as clearly do other editors, that this topic ban may be overturned later after Mahesh has proven capable of creating articles that meet minimum standards, and that, in the process, Mahesh will learn the value of collaboration/consensus. Qwyrxian (talk) 13:12, 12 May 2011 (UTC)

Consensus for Unblocking

Whats your take on Maheskumaryadav ?

• Complete unblocking: Full immediate unblocking, i agree to what the demands are. Mahesh Kumar Yadav (talk) 10:31, 12 May 2011 (UTC)

What options do i have

As i can't edit pages other than this, means i can't request other admins also about unblocking. So if the ont this talk page go to work and forget about me. What should i do ?

Wikipedia:Appealing a block explains your options. Fram (talk) 10:40, 12 May 2011 (UTC)

I do you understand that what i did was inappropriate in some ways for this site, and confirm that i won't do it again

Now i request to kindly unblock. Mahesh Kumar Yadav (talk) 10:44, 12 May 2011 (UTC)

Do you mean by this that:

• you will not create any article in mainspace for the time being, but are happy to create them in userspace and have them reviewed prior to moving to mainspace (I am paraphrasing the AN/I proposal here - the precise wording of that supersedes this)
• you will not insert uncited statements in mainspace articles
• you will not insert copyrighted or plagiarised material in articles (whether in userspace or mainspace
• you will attempt to fix the 472 articles in Anna's list, or accept that they may be deleted if they are not improved soon

Your comment is vague. - Sitush (talk) 10:49, 12 May 2011 (UTC)

Request for discussion conclusion on ANI

As per Wikipedia:ANI#Indef_block, I agree to no longer create any pages in the mainspace, until the discussion concludes on ANI. Kindly expedite the discussion conclusion on ANI and remove the block. Mahesh Kumar Yadav (talk) 12:06, 12 May 2011 (UTC)

Please, what about my other points above? They are not onerous but by ignoring them it looks as if you are trying to avoid having to follow what are in fact Wikipedia policies and guidelines. - Sitush (talk) 12:09, 12 May 2011 (UTC)

Dear Sitush, i would like to interact with other neutral 'administrators'. Mahesh Kumar Yadav (talk) 12:12, 12 May 2011 (UTC)

I am not an administrator, although Fram is both an admin and neutral. Honestly, I do not see what your problem is here: it is a simple request to follow certain policies and guidelines. If you are unable to agree to that then, frankly, I think we're just likely to run into further issues somewhere down the line. - Sitush (talk) 12:28, 12 May 2011 (UTC)

This user's unblock request has been reviewed by an administrator, who declined the request. Other administrators may also review this block, but should not override the decision without good reason (see the blocking policy).

Maheshkumaryadav (block log • active blocks • global blocks • contribs • deleted contribs • filter log • creation log • change block settings • unblock • checkuser (log))

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Request reason:

I have been a good contributor

Decline reason:

I am declining your unblock request because it does not address the reason for your block, or because it is inadequate for other reasons. To be unblocked, you must convince the reviewing administrator(s) that

• the block is not necessary to prevent damage or disruption to Wikipedia, or
• the block is no longer necessary because you
  1. understand what you have been blocked for,
  2. will not continue to cause damage or disruption, and
  3. will make useful contributions instead.

Please read the guide to appealing blocks for more information.  Sandstein  12:18, 12 May 2011 (UTC)

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Unblocked

I have unblocked you, with the understanding that you will not create any articles in the mainspace as long as the ANI discussion runs, and (assuming that the ban on creating articles get enacted) not afterwards either, until the community decides that you are again allowed to create such articles.

I have not taken other potential problems with your editing, like WP:POV and copyright violations / plagiarism, into account in either the block or the unblock. Please take into account any remarks you get about these as well, if necessary. Fram (talk) 13:19, 12 May 2011 (UTC)

POV in 2011 land protests article

Hi, can you please be careful when you add statements to articles. You created 2011 land acquisition protests in Uttar Pradesh yesterday and (great) included some citations. I've spent a lot of time cleaning up what is in fact a pretty short article that probably should be merged with similar ones but my real concern is that you appear to have engaged in some POV activity again.

Using the sources that you provided, I discovered that what precipitated last weekend's violence was the villagers' abduction of three state transport company officials; and that the government believes that the current protests have been stirred up by "anti-social" groups, since the actual land deals were completed in July last year. You mentioned neither of these things and in omitting them presented a "slant" to the article which was definitely not neutral.

It is no secret that you have a beef about alleged corruption in India and it seems that you possibly also have an inclination towards certain political groups. Neither of these things are a problem: they are your opinions and you are entitled to hold them. What you are not entitled to do is introduce them into Wikipedia articles, either directly or by omission. Just bear this is mind please. - Sitush (talk) 14:28, 12 May 2011 (UTC)

Dear Sitush, It seems you have got biased against me. Over-policing, dictating can be seen in your attitude towards me. I would appreciate if you do some other work on Wikipedia and leave my articles to be attended by some unbiased, user/admin. Thanks. Mahesh Kumar Yadav (talk) 15:38, 12 May 2011 (UTC)

Actually, I'm just trying to fix a problem or 600. Please take on board what I have said. If you do not then we will be issuing all sorts of warnings again before long. You must remain neutral in articles. - Sitush (talk) 17:13, 12 May 2011 (UTC)

The existing articles

Here they are. Perhaps we can 'ok' a number of these items and get them off our list. Some might be better merged back into the parent. Some are current AfDs. The villages, well, I don't know about those. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 14:41, 12 May 2011 (UTC)

Nomination of Malls in Chandigarh Capital Region for deletion

A discussion is taking place as to whether the article Malls in Chandigarh Capital Region is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The article will be discussed at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Malls in Chandigarh Capital Region until a consensus is reached, and anyone is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on good quality evidence, and our policies and guidelines.

Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion template from the top of the article. Sitush (talk) 15:48, 12 May 2011 (UTC)

When can i start creating articles in main space

Am i permitted to create articles and redirects in main space now ? These will not be village articles but other sensible articles and redirects. Mahesh Kumar Yadav (talk) 16:47, 12 May 2011 (UTC)

No, unless the AN/I case has been closed. And probably not then, either. Do them in your userspace and ask someone to check them over. I do not mean just anyone, so would suggest you choose from someone who has contributed to this talk page as per the AN/I discussion. - Sitush (talk) 17:11, 12 May 2011 (UTC)

No from me too. Why? Not fair? Take a look at this: List of villages in Mohali district. You made it less than 24 hours ago. Do you really think it's fit for Wikipedia? Have you actually looked at it? Please look at it now. Then ask if you can make more.

I think that there is some difference in expectations. I find the article List of villages in Mohali district good enough. It have government site ref. The government of Punjab is endorsing that those villages. Mahesh Kumar Yadav (talk) 17:22, 12 May 2011 (UTC)

Expectations?? Read it again. It is full of duplicates. Jeez Louise! Anna Frodesiak (talk) 17:26, 12 May 2011 (UTC)

Kindly help me understand, how it is duplicate. If there are some villages with duplicate name, i am checking and improving them. Mahesh Kumar Yadav (talk) 17:30, 12 May 2011 (UTC)

I have removed the duplicates i found. thanks. Mahesh Kumar Yadav (talk) 17:39, 12 May 2011 (UTC)

Great. Now see the list below? That's your next task. Please don't waste a million keystrokes in discussion with me or others asking for permission to create articles or for us to serve you. You want advice on how you can work? Fine. But don't ask us to do your work, please. Please just help the project. Below are things to keep you busy and help India-related Wikipedia. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 17:43, 12 May 2011 (UTC)

After you fix that article, there are other useful things you can do to support the articles you've created.

• Expand them
• Format them
• Find references
• Add Wikiproject banners to the talk pages

Thank you. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 17:16, 12 May 2011 (UTC)

I agree. The declaratory sentence isn't even in proper English. I just logged in to see how you were doing and you simply refuse to listen to what we're trying to tell you. Regarding that mall article: You created an article in the mainspace which is so unimportant as a stand-alone article as to be nearly ridiculous. The list is better served at the main list of malls in India. This is something an experienced user should have known. I am really getting down on you over this because you are not a new user. You have been here for several years and still you fail to grasp the basics. You ask for help and cry out against perceived bias against you. This is starting to exhaust everyone's patience and if it keeps up, you are likely going to lose your edit privileges. --PMDrive1061 (talk) 17:19, 12 May 2011 (UTC)

Welcome to Wikipedia, and thank you for your contributions. One of the core policies of Wikipedia is that articles should always be written from a neutral point of view. A contribution you made to 2011 land acquisition protests in Uttar Pradesh appears to carry a non-neutral point of view, and your edit may have been changed or reverted to correct the problem. Please remember to observe this important core policy. Thank you. You have sinned by omission, as I have tried to explain in a section above. Since you seem unwilling to accept this and also because your talk page is swamped with critical comments, I am highlighting the point with this templated warning. Sitush (talk) 17:19, 12 May 2011 (UTC)

Your addition to Indo_Swiss_Training_Centre has been removed, as it appears to have added copyrighted material to Wikipedia without permission from the copyright holder. For legal reasons, we cannot accept copyrighted text or images borrowed from other websites or printed material; such additions will be deleted. You may use external websites or publications as a source of information, but not as a source of article content such as sentences or images. Wikipedia takes copyright violations very seriously and persistent violators will be blocked from editing. Sitush (talk) 17:42, 12 May 2011 (UTC)

Sitush, you are great. Thanks for the help. Mahesh Kumar Yadav (talk) 17:46, 12 May 2011 (UTC)

Topic ban

With this edit, I'm enacting a topic ban imposed by the community; the discussion leading to it can be found here.

The topic ban ban imposed reads as follows: Maheshkumaryadav is banned from creating new articles in article space. He may continue to create articles in user space and may request any admin or other editor in good standing to move the article into article space. He can request a review of the ban after a reasonable period of time and after he has demonstrated the ability to create minimally sourced articles on notable topics. I'm sorry. Salvio ^{Let's talk about it!} 17:50, 12 May 2011 (UTC)

Thanks, for closing the ANI discussion. I would request to make this ban, time bound. Thanks.Mahesh Kumar Yadav (talk) 17:54, 12 May 2011 (UTC)

You cannot so request. The closing admin takes the consensus view, which is stated in green above. This is another attempt by you to wriggle round things, I feel. Just use your userspace for creating articles, as has been explained to you umpteen times. You are an intelligent person and I am struggling to work out what you find so impossible to understand about this. It does not stop you creating articles. Treat it as a bit of mentorship. - Sitush (talk) 17:57, 12 May 2011 (UTC)

(edit conflict)Unfortunately, that's not up to me. The community made it pretty clear that your topic ban is indefinite, which, however, does not mean infinite. My personal suggestion would be to focus on improving the articles you have already created and on creating new quality stubs. When you believe you have shown the community you can create quality stubs, then you may ask the community to lift this restriction. Salvio ^{Let's talk about it!} 18:04, 12 May 2011 (UTC)

Agree. Please forget about creating new articles. The fate of your existing articles is being decided here: User:Anna Frodesiak/Silver sandbox. You spent time on them. I suggest focusing on those. That would be the smart thing to do. The not smart thing to do would be to continue to ask when you can start creating articles again. I think this is about the end of our communication along these lines. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 18:04, 12 May 2011 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Rock Garden

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Proposed deletion of Reforms in India

The article Reforms in India has been proposed for deletion because of the following concern:

This is simply unfocussed trivia

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Proposed deletion of Cactus Garden

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Notability seems to be in doubt - needs more refs from somewhere

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Proposed deletion of Neighborhoods of Zirakpur

The article Neighborhoods of Zirakpur has been proposed for deletion because of the following concern:

A rather pointless list. No citations or wikilinks, & purpose could be better achieved as a category. The neighbourhoods may be notable but the list of them is not.

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Nomination of Cactus Garden for deletion

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Fixing your articles

Please see User:Anna Frodesiak/Silver sandbox.

Many of your creations are "expand or delete". Many need references and cleanup. Many contain content that you've simply copy pasted from another article.

We are working hard to sort this out. Please help. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 01:56, 13 May 2011 (UTC)

An easy job would be to kindly add:

{{WP India|class=|importance=}}
{{WikiProject Geography|class=|importance=}}
{{WikiProject Politics|class=|importance=}}

where appropriate, to the items that are keep at [User:Anna Frodesiak/Silver sandbox]]. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 04:31, 13 May 2011 (UTC)

Indefinite block

I've gone through almost all of this editor's work. It is largely just copy pasting pieces of other articles in to new ones, leaving them in unformatted and unreferenced state, and shopping for more. The trail of destruction is costing tens of hours, and hundreds of thousands of backroom keystrokes, and it's no where near over. The merges and AfDs are just beginning.

He has done nothing to repair his own damage, and seems only concerned with continuing as before. I am not hearing "Oops. Sorry. Let me help fix things up." I am only hearing "When can I start to make articles again."

I am hard pressed to find any real contributions, whereas the liabilities are relatively overwhelming.

But the real liability, literally, is persistent copyright violations. We have uncovered many cases documented here. This user was blocked for this before. This is not only copy pasting from other articles, but from external sources. I move for indefinite block on those grounds. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 05:25, 13 May 2011 (UTC)

Maheshkumaryadav's views

These are some of my views, after the bitter experience of last few days:

• As the other contributors/admins are also seriously working for a better Wikipedia. And in this effort they are reviewing all my articles, I request the articles started by me, must not bear the burden of your personal anguish against me. As some of you seem to be taking things personal.
• Though i understand the concerns, but my 'straight talk' on talk pages is mostly used to project me as a culprit. So it would be better if i spend more time on main domain, instead of talk page.(unless necessary)
• Wikipedia asks us to be 'BOLD' in our edits, and i will.
• Some experienced users involved with me for last few days are not able to understand the importance of articles in Indian context, consulting an experienced user/admin living in India would help them.
• I prefer to built a number of stubs of minimum needed quality than one article of best quality. I prefer building some part of the car rather than building whole car.Article Allegations of support system in Pakistan for Osama bin Laden, 2011 Saudi Arabian protests, 2011 Moroccan protests and many others started by me have attracted many users .
• Starting an article on Wikipedia, is the toughest part for a new comer and less experienced as the chances of getting it deleted are high. But if he is finds a stub, then contributing to it is many times easier and less time consuming for him/her. Stubs are an important part of expansion of Wikipedia.
• Splitting of long articles to create new stubs, helps both the parent article and new stub. The different sections of the new stub gives ideas to visitors to contribute in that context. Its evolution.
• One can be civic and at the same time not agree with the other's view. Not agreeing should not be viewed as un-civic.
• My acts and edits take following priority:

Wikipedia expansion: Creating a stub of quality to survive on a topic required for improvement of society.

Benefit to humanity and society: Most of them are for corruption, black money, revolutions in countries for democracy, reforms, proposed new laws, (to let public find them) etc.

• While doing the above things, i always try to be neutral, not favoring any political party, country or person. I try to favour the good only and that through references and within Wikipedia rules.

I hope these words would help others have some insights from my side. Thanks. Mahesh Kumar Yadav (talk) 06:31, 13 May 2011 (UTC)

Just a quick pointer: "Benefit to humanity and society: Most of them are for exposing corruption" - Wikipedia is not the place to proclaim a WP:NOBLECAUSE or righting WP:GREATWRONGS. -- 李博杰  | —Talk contribs email 07:23, 13 May 2011 (UTC)

Thanks, I already keep in mind WP:NOBLECAUSE and WP:GREATWRONGS while contributing.Mahesh Kumar Yadav (talk) 07:36, 13 May 2011 (UTC)

ANI post re: Copyright violations

Hello. This message is being sent to inform you that there is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 08:06, 13 May 2011 (UTC)

Persistent copyright violations

This is not only a case of copy/pasting from other articles during new article creation. My real concern is verbatim copy/pasting from external sites. For example:

• You copy/pasted: "The Supreme Court has shown unusual interest in the subject and virtually forced the government to arrest Hasan Ali Khan, who is allegedly rolling in black money as the man charged with being the biggest tax evader in Indian history" into Corruption and Indian politics taken from here.

This is despite being blocked for copyright violatons on 23 February 2011. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 09:17, 13 May 2011 (UTC)

See it in the duplication detector tool.--NortyNort (Holla) 00:23, 14 May 2011 (UTC)

Creating articles in order to redirect / breach of AN/I conditions

Can you please explain the point of creating redirect pages? I have noticed you doing this several times and you have done some even today, eg: Protests_in_Greater_Noida. Furthermore, this is to my mind a breach of your AN/I conditions. Please stop now. - Sitush (talk) 09:34, 13 May 2011 (UTC)

No opinion on the merit of the actual redirects, but as long as they are sufficiently neutral and direct (like from UP to Uttar Pradesh), they don't count as a violation of his restrictions in my opinion. First creating a redirect and then changing it into an article would count as creating an article though... Fram (talk) 09:41, 13 May 2011 (UTC)

OK. Knew it was borderline, hence saying "in my mind". I'd still like to know why you are doing it, Mahesh, please. I simply do not see the point of it at all. - Sitush (talk) 09:43, 13 May 2011 (UTC)

Mahesh, I considered this borderline too, and was considering giving you a short block as a warning not to bend the edges of your community restriction. As I say, it was borderline and I'm certainly not going to block you now that Fram has made a judgement. I haven't been involved in any way with your set of articles but I have watched the dismay at AN/I and on your talk page as other editors try to help you make your mark here. The advice you have had from Sitush, Anna and others is very good and although you may not like what they are saying it is (a) correct and (b) meant to help you. Wikipedia is indeed "the encyclopaedia anyone can edit" but that doesn't mean there are no rules and conventions here. Please, I do urge you, pick just one - any one - of your articles and build it up. Concentrate on one stub and find references, pictures, more information, links and categories to add. It is hard work - harder than copy-pasting the samwe text into a list of police stations and changing the title. But you don't "win" Wikipedia by creating the most articles! However you will win respect by letting your energy and enthusiasm be guided by editors who have been here a little longer and would dearly love to collaborate with you, if only you would in turn work with them! Best wishes, Kim Dent-Brown ^(Talk) 10:09, 13 May 2011 (UTC)

Mahesh, you are allowed to create articles in your userspace. At present, you are not allowed to create them in mainspace. This has been explained to you before. Please acknowledge that you understand it because your comment above is slightly worrying. You have not respected the community, and that is precisely why the limitation has been imposed upon you. It is in your power to resolve this but making comments such as that above merely reinforce a feeling that you simply do not "get it". - Sitush (talk) 13:20, 13 May 2011 (UTC)

For the sake of clarity, my note above refers to this comment, which Mahesh subsequently deleted without explanation/edit summary etc. I await your reply to my request, Mahesh. Thanks. - Sitush (talk) 14:45, 13 May 2011 (UTC)

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re Cactus Garden article for deletion

If you wish your viewpoint to be considered in the discussion, you will need to comment at the AfD page itself [[3]] and not on the article talk page.You will probably also want to note that the arguement "It should have an article because I can find it on google" does not carry any weight in an AfD discussion. Active Banana (^bananaphone 10:23, 13 May 2011 (UTC)

And so after I explicitly tell you that the rationale "it gets hits on google" is a poor argument to use in an AfD, that is the argument you use??? Active Banana (^bananaphone 10:53, 13 May 2011 (UTC)

Thanks.Wikipedia:Google_searches_and_numbers#Listing Google search results. Mahesh Kumar Yadav (talk) 10:59, 13 May 2011 (UTC)

I find it truly bizarre that you know all these arcane, little used policy & guidelines pages but are unable to follow the really significant ones, such as for notability, consensus, citing etc. Talk about being selective! - Sitush (talk) 01:59, 14 May 2011 (UTC)

You have missed the point that Active Banana was trying to explain to you, Mahesh. Google hits are not in themselves meaningful. They need to be reliable sources etc. For something such as this, many of the hits will be tourist photos, tour guides, adverts and similar stuff: sort of "trivial" things that occur in passing rather than anything of real weight. Happen I think that the article will stay. In fact, it would never have been proposed for deletion if you had used the correct name for the place. - Sitush (talk) 13:16, 13 May 2011 (UTC)

Refactoring at AN/I

Please do not refactor your comments at AN/I discussions. You made significant edits to your previous comment and this can confuse subsequent comments by other users. If you wish to amend, then add another comment to state/clarify your position etc. Thanks. - Sitush (talk) 13:34, 13 May 2011 (UTC)

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Redirected to Chandigarh#Geography_and_climate --Elen of the Roads (talk) 14:46, 13 May 2011 (UTC)

Please take care

You've been here since 2006, and have 3,600 edits under your belt.

Today, you made about 3 article edits, including this one. Your talk page edits are very carefully done. So, I know you can do better work. Please take care not to leave cleanup jobs for others. We're currently up to our eyeballs with this. Thank you. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 14:00, 13 May 2011 (UTC)

And this was three minutes earlier. A couple of issues: You are making empty sections. The content you added is hardly supported by the ref.

If these sorts of edits were made in articles with a lot of watchers, they would be reverted 100% of the time within minutes. This is just the creation of work for others undoing what you did.

Please, please, go over what you did to make sure it's okay. Look at my contribs. I'm an idiot. Every second edit, I return to fix something. You can see that in my edit summaries. I'm sloppy, but I check my work. You can too. It just takes a bit of slowing down and a bit of care. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 14:12, 13 May 2011 (UTC)

Your contributed article, Anti-corruption efforts in India

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Redirected to 2011 Indian anti-corruption movement. Seems a plausible search term, so kept the redirect. Elen of the Roads (talk) 14:53, 13 May 2011 (UTC)

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Your contributed article, Anti-corruption agencies in India

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Allegations of attack

Your recent seeking of support, as at User_talk:Samir#Help_saving_India_related_articles and elsewhere, demonstrates a continuing misunderstanding on your part. The articles are being assessed, not routinely deleted etc. The assessment is being carried out in full view by experienced, neutral editors who have no connection to India and therefore can see the "wood for the trees". The same editors - while not perfect by any means - also have a greater understanding than you appear to do of the policies and guidelines here at Wikipedia. That understanding is also reflected in the assessment of the articles.

Claiming that "India-related articles are under attack" is a pretty inflammatory, and grossly distorted, statement. Please can you desist from adopting this stance. If you spent half as much time fixing your articles as you have spent in discussion then it is entirely possible that more of them would be passing the review. - Sitush (talk) 16:30, 13 May 2011 (UTC)

Your edits

You are obviously in an ongoing conflict, mainly with two specific editors, about the nature of your edits. I have carefully read your comment at the top of this page, and understand your position; however, it is obvious that you do not wholly understand Wikipedia.

It is absolutely forbidden, in all circumstances, to copy/paste articles from other publications or websites (except where you personally own the copyright and can demonstrate this). Continuing to do so will get you blocked from editing here.

Splitting articles can be reasonable, but it is not necessary unless the article in question is so long as to be unwieldy, which does not appear to be the case with some of your edits.

You say that you would rather create ten stubs than write one article: while creating stubs is not in itself a blockable offense. the concept that if you start the article then some other editor can do the work of expanding it is not fully in the spirit of this project.

I recognise that you are editing in good faith; please take note of my comments. --Anthony Bradbury^"talk" 17:31, 13 May 2011 (UTC)

I understand, will take care. Mahesh Kumar Yadav (talk) 11:32, 14 May 2011 (UTC)

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Proposed deletion of Dagrana

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CCI Notice

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Proposed deletion of Chadhi

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You are really trying the patience of a lot of people on this site including mine

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Proposed deletion of Gazhipur

The article Gazhipur has been proposed for deletion because of the following concern:

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Unreferenced article(s)

Hi Maheshkumaryadav

You recently created Knowledge industry in Chandigarh Capital Region. It has absolutely no references at all. I was thinking of merging it into Chandigarh Capital Region but it would just make the article worse than it already is. Can you please provide some citations for the thing, and then we can see if it is worth even keeping, let alone merging. I presume that there are reliable sources for the statements made but, if not, then please could you let me know where you did get the information from. Thanks. - Sitush (talk) 14:35, 14 May 2011 (UTC)

Hi, I have tried to add references the article. Thanks. Mahesh Kumar Yadav (talk) 15:52, 14 May 2011 (UTC)

You created Bishanpura in August 2010 but it still lacks any references, coordinates etc and is similar to your recent one-line stubs. I know that there are places that use this name but there is insufficient information to determine which of those is the one you are referring to in the article. I would be grateful if you could expand the article slightly. This is a classic example of why a few basic cites, coords etc should be included at the outset, since the situation is now extremely confusing. Thanks. - Sitush (talk) 14:42, 14 May 2011 (UTC)

If you would have added 'ref' tag to other villages, that got deleted. It would have been more judicious. Since this is a single article, let me try to save it. Thanks. Mahesh Kumar Yadav (talk) 15:52, 14 May 2011 (UTC)

No. I'm not going through nearly 500 villages adding ref tags. You were told by many people that you needed to sort them out and your response was, basically, "no I don't, it is someone else's problem". Honestly, you are being ridiculous in putting all this work, and all the responsibility, on other people who really do have other things they would much rather be doing than cleaning up avoidable messes. - Sitush (talk) 16:03, 14 May 2011 (UTC)

I apologize for the Panchkula stubs, because they were unreferenced. They existed on actual ground. For me alone it was not possible to search ref. and add to individual stub. Adding a 'add ref' tag would have been option when i created them or later, as there are some articles on Wikipedia with 'add ref' tag surviving. But the second round of stubs of Punjab were referenced, they should have survived. Mahesh Kumar Yadav (talk) 16:09, 14 May 2011 (UTC)

I am not getting into that argument again here. It has already been explained to you. You chose to ignore the community, end of. - Sitush (talk) 16:14, 14 May 2011 (UTC)

In future i would like to consult with some experienced users before creating such stubs. Mahesh Kumar Yadav (talk) 16:09, 14 May 2011 (UTC)

Why would editors want to deal with someone who accuses them of being non-neutral, anti-India, ignorant and attackers? And who ignores everything that they suggest. I don't think you understand just how much you have upset people, and I doubt that any amount of apologising will make much difference now because you have apologised previously and still carried on abusing consensus etc. Anything you say now sounds like a hollow promise, as evidenced by your bizarre attempt to have the creation ban rescinded today. This may be why your appeals at the India Portal etc seem not to have elicited any assistance. If I were you, I would concentrate on bringing existing articles up to scratch and forget about creating stubs for a while. You need to hone your skills, then the stubs that you do create will stand a chance of surviving. - Sitush (talk) 16:30, 14 May 2011 (UTC)

Also, Culture of Chandigarh Capital Region. I think that this will end up being merged with the article that you appear to have split it from, but without any references at all it may as well be deleted. So, some citations would be nice please. - Sitush (talk) 15:16, 14 May 2011 (UTC)

Ok, let me try. Thanks. Mahesh Kumar Yadav (talk) 15:52, 14 May 2011 (UTC)

Also, Economy of Chandigarh Capital Region, which has been uncited since you created it last September. - Sitush (talk) 15:44, 14 May 2011 (UTC)