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Happy New Year, LM2000!Edit

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Seth RollinsEdit

Hi LM2000, I hope you are well. Why did you revert my ' External Links ' on Seth Rollins page ?

GL3N (talk) 20:47, 16 January 2016 (UTC)

LM2000 I understand the guidelines. I am only editing to show 'Official' Social Media sites ... Sure this is ok ?

GL3N (talk) 22:12, 16 January 2016 (UTC)

Thanks for the heads up LM2000. I'm not here to argue only to help the community. Thanks again!

GL3N (talk) 22:28, 16 January 2016 (UTC)

RfC announce: Religion in infoboxesEdit

There is an RfC at Template talk:Infobox#RfC: Religion in infoboxes concerning what What should be allowed in the religion entry in infoboxes. Please join the discussion and help us to arrive at a consensus on this issue. --Guy Macon (talk) 21:39, 17 January 2016 (UTC)

Edit warring?Edit

I wasn't edit warring, sir. I am a pending changes reviewer, and I declined the revision because there is no way we should be calling Donald Trump a fascist. It's a POV to say the least. I'm not a supporter of Trump, but I know about NPOV guidelines, and I never write anything biased on here. Saying I will be blocked and that I am disruptive is odd, as I have only reverted one edit on that page, just now, because I know it doesn't adhere to NPOV. Not edit warring at all. Ches (talk) 21:26, 30 January 2016 (UTC)

Shoot, sorry, just saw your explanation! Don't worry, sorry if I seemed uncivil. Ches (talk) 21:28, 30 January 2016 (UTC)

Edit summariesEdit

Hi, LM2000,
Edit summaries are used to describe the type of edit you are making, identifying the section of the page you edited or mentioning a source you might be supplying. They should not be used for conversation or to communicate to other editors. Please discuss the editing of the article on the article talk page where more editors can be drawn into a discussion and it incorporates more than two editors. Thank you. Liz Read! Talk! 22:41, 6 February 2016 (UTC)

Notice seems to have been sent to all involved in conflict. While phrased as a question, I noted I removed dubious and/or unreferences sections in my one edit summary on that article today. In the scheme of things, looking at the article history does read like a conversation due to lengthy edit summaries though.LM2000 (talk) 22:48, 6 February 2016 (UTC)

So what do think is wrong?? check the definition.... why do you get to control the information??Tilleyman (talk) 09:29, 10 February 2016 (UTC)

again I ask who Tilleyman (talk) 09:32, 10 February 2016 (UTC)are you to make these judgements and decisions??

I never said he was dead.....where did I refer to him as dead??? Is that your sad argument for why you control the information on a public site??? Then thanks for coming out and stop trying to control my proper contributions. or bring an actual response to my arguments. just sayin Tilleyman (talk) 09:47, 10 February 2016 (UTC)

A random barnstar for youEdit

  The Random Acts of Kindness Barnstar
Spreading the Wikilove. Boomer VialHolla 16:32, 14 February 2016 (UTC)
It may be random, but I do appreciate it. Thank you.LM2000 (talk) 21:45, 14 February 2016 (UTC)
Haha, it was very random. You're the first editor that popped into my head when I was trying to think of an editor to barnstar. You might wanna watch out though. I think I have a serious case of barnstaritis, and another one might be coming your way. :) Boomer VialHolla 21:47, 14 February 2016 (UTC)

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Mr. GonzalesEdit

Yes I believe this user should of be blocked for his irrelevant edits I'm interested on what should I do ?TheBellaTwins1445(talk) 12:33, March 13, 2016 (UTC)

  • Thanks for the information finally some order on Wikipedia.TheBellaTwins1445(talk) 3:33, March 13, 2016 (UTC)
    • I reversed the block I was involved in his second 3RR dispute. The 3RR noticeboard case is reopened. --wL<speak·check> 03:50, 14 March 2016 (UTC)

WWE Hall of FameEdit

Here is the source for Jackie and Stan I left it next to my Edit. magazine (talk) 21:09, 13 March 2016 (UTC)inductees-revealed

There was a reference of big boss man was inducted by ted dibiase so i want it to be left as it is. Thank you. Risk34 (talk) 23:40, 24 March 2016

Request for Comment: Jeb Bush PortraitEdit

There is an ongoing RfC at Talk: Jeb Bush which you may care to weigh in on.   Spartan7W §   14:35, 19 March 2016 (UTC)

User "TheBellaTwins1445" = wars of edits and vandalismEdit

Hey, this is the first time I come to complain of a user, but TheBellaTwins1445 (which has already received warnings for her conduct) is creating wars of edits and vandalism.

She reverses any other edit from other user, as if it were the owner of the professional wrestlers' pages, but especially now Lana and Summer Rae. It adds weekly information (which is prohibited), and are irrelevant information. She tries to increase the page with flood by adding irrelevant content to make the page bigger.

This is getting boring, as I said, she already has a warning for bad conduct. I hope something is done.

-- HunteWinchester123 (Discussão)

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The Godfather (wrestler)Edit

Have you regretted voting "support" on renaming the person? If so, and you want to change to "oppose", Andrewa would reverse the closure and then reopen it. --George Ho (talk) 23:22, 1 May 2016 (UTC)

On the other hand, I concede the closing decision. --George Ho (talk) 02:04, 2 May 2016 (UTC)
Actually, in the light of opposition in some other discussions, I'll ask you again. --George Ho (talk) 21:17, 2 May 2016 (UTC)


You serious? Barrett was in the company for 6 years. Why shouldn't the fact he departed the company not be included in one of the subsection headers? Rusted AutoParts 21:51, 7 May 2016 (UTC)

I don't think length of tenure is a factor in a notable departure. What HHH Pedrigree was saying is that for "departure" to be included in a header it should be a notable event. Chyna worked for the company only a few years, yet her departure was frequently discussed years afterward. Hornswoggle worked there for 10 years, he was just one of many people released for spring cleaning. Barrett was another one in that group.LM2000 (talk) 22:02, 7 May 2016 (UTC)
As far as I remember, the project discussed it. We include depature when it's a notable depature. For example, Del Rio racial jokes or CM Punk. Barrett was just... "you're fired", nothing more.--HHH Pedrigree (talk) 22:25, 7 May 2016 (UTC)

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Saw your addition. So after all of that, not a single criminal charge stuck. Crazy.Mattnad (talk) 21:05, 11 May 2016 (UTC)

Letting you know nowEdit

I do not appreciate your trolling behavior. It's clear you are trying to get a rise out of me with your bad faith "filing" and your refusal to participate after blatantly misrepresenting a talk page section.

You're welcome to apologize and start acting in good faith of course, and if so I'll be happy enough to work with you. But I'm not going to sit idly by and watch people engage in deliberate damage to wikipedia. Prostetnic Vogon Jeltz (talk) 07:19, 15 May 2016 (UTC)

"Trolling behavior"? LM2000, is one of the better editors I've come across. Also, assuming you're right, and telling people what to do, won't fly around here. CrashUnderride 14:14, 15 May 2016 (UTC)
If he was truly one of the "better editors", he could have done many, many things instead of resorting to harassment, threats and intimidation tactics. In fact, I've been doing most of them - working on the talk page, now creating an RfC for the content question - whereas he hasn't done one thing to show any good faith. Prostetnic Vogon Jeltz (talk) 15:33, 15 May 2016 (UTC)
Nor have you. You come here trying to tell him what to do, when that's not how it works. Besides, reasons were explained, you violated 3RR, etc. YOU screwed up, grow up, move on. CrashUnderride 18:53, 15 May 2016 (UTC)
Not to mention, you acting like a child during the Trump discussion...why am I not surprised, acting like Trump....a baby. Yeah, typical. But anyway, when you violate WP:3RR and someone reports you, it's not bad faith. It's reporting someone who violated the rules. I know for a fact, I was blocked for doing just that years ago. So as I said, grow up. CrashUnderride 18:57, 15 May 2016 (UTC)
Thanks, @Crash Underride:.LM2000 (talk) 22:34, 15 May 2016 (UTC)

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Stephanie McMahonEdit

What needs to be done to get Stephanie McMahon semi protection done? It's been vandalized 3 or 4 times in the last 24 hrs alone. I've reverted some but I don't wanna get hit with a 3RR warning. Chris "WarMachineWildThing" (talk) 15:30, 10 June 2016 (UTC)

@WarMachineWildThing:, I requested it to be protected at Wikipedia:Requests for page protection.

Got it Chris "WarMachineWildThing" (talk) 21:13, 10 June 2016 (UTC)

Can you take a look at Stephanie McMahon edit history. I see an edit war brewing. Chris "WarMachineWildThing" (talk) 21:52, 12 June 2016 (UTC)

I've dealt with that user before and will keep an eye on it. They've been blocked for edit warring in the past.

Thanks,I looked at others that had siblings listed under family so I saw no reason for Shane to be removed from it. Chris "WarMachineWildThing" (talk) 02:01, 14 June 2016 (UTC)


I saw what you posted, when I started on here I was directed to that by an admin. I have remained neutral and I am not paid for anything. I do the website for free. Just wanted to make sure you knew that and that I knew about the COI and saw what you posted. I have removed myself from the other conversation as it is getting no where and the hostility is getting ridiculous. Chris "WarMachineWildThing" (talk) 01:06, 12 June 2016 (UTC)

@WarMachineWildThing: Please don't take my advice as a personal attack. You've lent a good hand here and there is no blanket ban on COI editing but as the policy states, but it must be done carefully. You're not a WP:SPA and I previously defended you from sock puppetry claims, these are typically the biggest issues with COI users. Will clarified that he does not want to see you blocked in his response to us, I don't want to see you blocked either. I did not know that you had been linked to WP:COI before, I linked it so that you would have a heads up in case you had not seen that before.LM2000 (talk) 01:13, 12 June 2016 (UTC)

Oh god no I don't take what you said like that at all, you have defended me when I was accused of being a sock of someone else. I honestly try to follow your example when I am editing on here. I was just letting you know when i first joined the first thing I did was contacted an admin about who I was and I was told how I should handle things. They showed me the COI and I have done pretty well with it I think. I mostly just remove the vandalism that is put there and I did add his college football history as it was not on there. I try to stay away from his page unless it is vandalized because I enjoy working on the other articles whether they are wrestling or TV ones. I have no ill will towards you and If my comments above came off that way I apologize, I just wanted you to know I had seen it and was aware of it. As for the other conversation its getting nowhere and my opinion on it is there is no reason for any of that stuff to be there. Im not here to argue with people Im here to help. Chris "WarMachineWildThing" (talk) 01:30, 12 June 2016 (UTC)

Thanks WarMachine. You're a quick learner and have already lent a good hand on several articles. You'll come across a lot of drama on this encyclopedia, don't let it get to you.LM2000 (talk) 01:50, 12 June 2016 (UTC)

Wiki trollEdit

Didnt you say you had run ins with the wiki troll?? Chris "WarMachineWildThing" (talk) 00:50, 16 June 2016 (UTC)

Yes, I've dealt with him a couple of times in the past.LM2000 (talk) 04:06, 16 June 2016 (UTC)

OK so what kinda steps were used to prove his socks? I have a user who I think is a sock but I'm not sure how to prove it. Recently created account and most of their edits are reverts, what threw up a flag was how much they are like a seasoned editor and have just recently created an account. Not saying it's troll or not but I'm 80% sure it's a sock of a blocked user after they targeted one specific users posts in one day.Already took it to an admin and because of a loop hole so to speak they are off the hook for now. 90% of everything they have done is revert then issue warnings to the users but some of the warnings aren't warranted for what I'm seeing,I figured you had dealings with troll in the past you might have tips on what to really look for. Chris "WarMachineWildThing" (talk) 04:28, 16 June 2016 (UTC)

You either need to report two or more users who are engaging in similar behavior or a current account that is being used for block evasion to WP:SPI. I think you would need to know what blocked user is using a new account to evade in order to file a report, checkusers don't like fishing expeditions. If you don't know what account is the sockmaster, you can report other behavioral problems to WP:ANI.LM2000 (talk) 05:17, 16 June 2016 (UTC)

So I made my feelings known to an admin and explained the situation,the admin agreed that they were clearly a seasoned user but there wasn't enough proof of anything, then the user in question went on this ramble on the same admin talk page about how they were gonna report me for stalking. Funny thing is after I made my feelings known that i believed they were a user trying to avoid block and were targeting another user they stopped editing. Chris "WarMachineWildThing" (talk) 03:11, 21 June 2016 (UTC)

Article for deletionEdit

I could use your input on this matter View AfD Chris "WarMachineWildThing" (talk) 06:23, 23 June 2016 (UTC)

I voted delete since he's not notable and the article has previously been delete before. I think the other people voted keep because of your wording, if he was notable in 2011 then he would have been able to keep an article now, see WP:NTEMP. I don't think the was notable then and I don't think he is notable now, so he just all around fails WP:GNG.LM2000 (talk) 06:28, 23 June 2016 (UTC)

Gotcha, should there be others made aware of this? Also the IP is a little odd seeing as they have edited nothing until the deletion was started and it's only been that article. Chris "WarMachineWildThing" (talk) 06:37, 23 June 2016 (UTC)

I found Template:Spa and used that to make a note about the IP. The registered user is new but has made too many diverse edits for the warning.LM2000 (talk) 06:58, 23 June 2016 (UTC)

check this outEdit

So check this out I just reported user Danratedrko cause he has been warned Numerous times on his talk page by myself and others in the past month. Yet continues to remove content he doesn't like with no real reason to remove, personally attacks users who change or revert his removals, and is now edit Waring with me. Judging from his contribution history he has been attacking users all aver the place for months. I cant change anything back he has screwed up on Wrestlemania 32 now cause Im on my 2nd revert.

Admin it was reported to

Chris "WarMachineWildThing" (talk) 21:57, 24 June 2016 (UTC)

Glad to see it got taken care of. If he has more than four warnings you can also take it to WP:ANV if the admin you take it to doesn't respond fast enough.LM2000 (talk) 00:33, 26 June 2016 (UTC)

One admin locked down WM32 for 3 days and then warned us both, not sure what I did but whatever, then the admin I first reported him to blocked him for a week.So it's over for now I guess. I'll be off here for awhile need to decompress from some of this crap. Chris "WarMachineWildThing" (talk) 02:04, 26 June 2016 (UTC)

@WarMachineWildThing: Thanks for cleaning up my user page.LM2000 (talk) 01:01, 15 July 2016 (UTC)

No problem, it popped on my watchlist and I almost didn't look and something told me to look. I know you'd do the same for me. Chris "WarMachineWildThing" (talk) 01:06, 15 July 2016 (UTC)

You wanna weigh in on this??Edit

You wanna weigh in on this, same guy that got the Mr.Mcmahon stuff started is now changing Carlito's name to Carlito Caribbean Cool. While he was named that at first that's not what he was known as or called later on.Talk:List of WWE United States Champions#Carlito Caribbean CoolChris "WarMachineWildThing" (talk) 16:17, 15 July 2016 (UTC)

I was going to take him to WP:ANI over the personal attacks but the admin warned him. His edits have always had these problems.LM2000 (talk) 16:33, 15 July 2016 (UTC)

May have to ani him anyways over his attitude and not willing to work with people. He just isn't getting it. He's still mad over the Mr. Mcmahon deal.Chris "WarMachineWildThing" (talk) 16:34, 15 July 2016 (UTC)

Omg now he's twisting what you said to him. He just ain't getting it. Chris "WarMachineWildThing" (talk) 17:01, 15 July 2016 (UTC)

Typing up an ANI post right now, I'll link you to it when I'm done.LM2000 (talk) 17:02, 15 July 2016 (UTC)

K, going back to work so I may not respond right away Chris "WarMachineWildThing" (talk) 17:10, 15 July 2016 (UTC)

Go look at his talk page, your gonna love this. He keeps deleting the block post from black, myself and another user have put it back twice now and wanting me blocked from adding something to an article I didn't add. He still isn't getting it. Chris "WarMachineWildThing" (talk) 08:21, 16 July 2016 (UTC)

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Might wanna check this outEdit

Not sure why it was ever nominated in the first place. Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/2016 WWE draft Chris "WarMachineWildThing" (talk) 02:33, 20 July 2016 (UTC)

Thanks, closed before I could get to it.LM2000 (talk) 03:51, 20 July 2016 (UTC)

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List of WWE Intercontinental ChampionsEdit

That discussion was ongoing for a long time. However, everyone agreed(consensus, see?), that

a)There was at least one WP:RS stating that Holly was Intercontinental Champion.

b)There was sufficient(and WP:RS) proof that WWE had, at least at tone time, recognised Holly as a former Intercontinental Champion.

It was thus decided, by consensus, to list Holly as having had an unofficial reign. And to not include Holly's reign in the "List of combined reigns". And to explicitly state that the WWE do not recognise Holly as a former Intercontinental Champion now. (but mention that they used to.) And Holly's reign would then be greyed.

The article then remained that way, as per consensus, until some jerk called User:Shinkazamaturi blanked Holly without mentioning why on the discussion page. And that same User:Shinkazamaturi has subsequently been blocked for disruptive editing. (talk) 05:51, 21 July 2016 (UTC)

We had this discussion last year and consensus leaned against inclusion, though discussion really died before anything conclusive came of it. The onus is on those fighting for inclusion to make their case to include contentious material. Make your case on the talk page.LM2000 (talk) 05:53, 21 July 2016 (UTC)

WWE rosterEdit

Hi. Can you help us? Since the Draft, Vjmlhds and I have different opinions (again) about the WWE Roster article. He want to change the format, I prefer to use the old one. Can you give us your opinion at the talk page? --HHH Pedrigree (talk) 15:22, 21 July 2016 (UTC)


So since the draft everyone had been adding which brand everyone has been drafted to on their articles. Which I think is great but TheBellaTwins1445 has I kid you went through and reverted at least 50 edits removing any edits that have added brands to the articles. I don't know what to do. Suggestions??Special:Contributions/TheBellaTwins1445 Chris "WarMachineWildThing" (talk) 20:39, 21 July 2016 (UTC)

S/he's already at 3 reverts on Alexa Bliss so I warned her for that. If they continue then they'll be blocked for edit warring.LM2000 (talk) 20:48, 21 July 2016 (UTC)

3RR: July 2016Edit

I have no idea why you've spent the day repeatedly reverting people, this is something you clearly need to discuss before continuing. During the previous brand split we did list brands in the intro.LM2000 (talk) 20:47, 21 July 2016 (UTC)

  • Well then start a discussion about I'm not trying to vandalize anything this editors just add what ever they see on the programs this isn't necessary that is the why I ask you if you can help me starting a discussion to close this.TheBellaTwins1445(talk) 03:46, July 21, 2016 (UTC)
    • I do not have any idea about adding brand splits on top I fairly think that is not necessary since the already work for the company and we don't need to add brands where can we start a discussion about it ?TheBellaTwins1445(talk) 03:49, July 21, 2016 (UTC)

As LM said It was already discussed with the last brand split to add them, You are the only editor who keeps removing it from the articles because you think it isn't important but it is to the less informed fan or a new fan who is using Wikipedia for information. Chris "WarMachineWildThing" (talk) 20:58, 21 July 2016 (UTC)

Side noteEdit

Is it confirmed that the Social Outcasts are no more? I mean I understand the assumption and I know Bo and Axel went to Raw and Slater is a "Free Agent" but does that mean they are disbanding them?? I'm really flipping confused and there seems to be a lot of back and forth on the article about it. Chris "WarMachineWildThing" (talk) 21:44, 21 July 2016 (UTC)

No idea. Time will tell. Or maybe they'll just drop the storyline and never mention it again.LM2000 (talk) 22:38, 21 July 2016 (UTC)

Your response on my D. Trump attempted editEdit

@LM2000: I am so sorry -- i did not mean for that to occur at all, did not realize that plugin would interfere with the editing, i had only wanted to make that one tiny grammar edit. Appreciate your message, and will be much more careful in the future. I am actually using a different browser (without that plugin) to make this current edit. Thanks for explaining what happened. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mssgill (talkcontribs) 05:09, 23 July 2016 (UTC)

Cenk UygurEdit

Stop lying about his height. I am putting the correct height for the public to know. When your revert changes without proof, you are vandalizing. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Canada15102050100 (talkcontribs) 17:59, 23 July 2016 (UTC)

User talk block revertEdit


Thank you for reverting my edit. I am still a little new here and I always appreciate help. Thank you for notifying me. JTP (talk) 03:58, 25 July 2016 (UTC)


Do you have an email you use for Wiki?? Chris "WarMachineWildThing" (talk) 02:21, 27 July 2016 (UTC)

No, sorry, I barely use any email at all.LM2000 (talk) 15:19, 27 July 2016 (UTC)

Thought so, someone is playing a game. Got an email from a Gmail saying they were you. I'll deal with it. Chris "WarMachineWildThing" (talk) 15:21, 27 July 2016 (UTC)

The trolls always seek you out, don't they?LM2000 (talk) 15:26, 27 July 2016 (UTC)

Yeah but since it wasn't on here I don't have to be nice. A troll is as a troll does. I figure it's someone we both have went against on something. Chris "WarMachineWildThing" (talk) 15:32, 27 July 2016 (UTC)

Your opinion.....Edit

As an editor who I know will tell me if I'm wrong could you give your opinion on the edits starting with this one When they add this hidden section it removes the Regins bracket from the article, I went to their talk page and asked them to go to the article talk page and get a consensus but they deleted my message. So I would like your opinion on this and if I am wrong. I also noticed this user tried to protect his own talk page himself. Chris "WarMachineWildThing" (talk) 04:48, 12 August 2016 (UTC)

There should be no debate that this should be removed per WP:CRYSTAL. I'm not sure why they're edit warring over the hidden note, personally I agree with you and don't see the use in it. Either way, it has proved to be contentious so they need to discuss per WP:BRD.LM2000 (talk) 05:06, 12 August 2016 (UTC)
I didn't think I was wrong but I wanted to make sure. Like I said I told them to take it to the talk page but they deleted my message. Thank you for giving your opinion, you have always been a big help to me learning the ropes so to speak. Chris "WarMachineWildThing" (talk) 05:14, 12 August 2016 (UTC)
No problem, you're lending a great hand here. Looks like Oknazevad reverted them before you did,[1] if they revert again I'll warn them for edit warring.LM2000 (talk) 05:16, 12 August 2016 (UTC)
Yeah I saw that after I posted to him about it too to get his take but haven't heard from him. He's helped me with stuff in the past as well. So you both are kinda my mentors and go to guys in a way because I know if I screw up or am wrong one of ya will tell me so and why. Chris "WarMachineWildThing" (talk) 05:26, 12 August 2016 (UTC)

Backlash (2016)Edit

"rv, no improvements"? What does that mean? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 0737290632t2x273n (talkcontribs) 12:08, 14 August 2016 (UTC)

I mean I was so tired writing it and you deleted it. It took me 3 hours to build it. My Windows Laptop is very slow and my internet connection too. I wanna see you re-creating this page or letting me re-create it. GeniusBoy2005 (talk) 07:57, 18 August 2016 (UTC)

Re: Brands and TV showsEdit

Good to know. Until now I always thought they were interchangeable. Mac Dreamstate (talk) 22:39, 14 August 2016 (UTC)

Gone IndefinitelyEdit

I am going to be gone from Wikipedia Indefinitely effective 8/16/16. I can no longer deal with OWNISH behavior that nothing is done about on articles, the double standards when it comes to sources or dead links on articles and then being told your edit warring when your doing nothing but trying to update references. I wish you all the best, I may come back but right now I'm not. Chris "WarMachineWildThing" (talk) 04:02, 17 August 2016 (UTC)

Sorry to hear about this, hope to see you back sometime.LM2000 (talk) 04:10, 17 August 2016 (UTC)

Can't do it, to much needs done and I can't sit and do nothing. I have been watching via email notifications and I refuse to let them win. Chris "WarMachineWildThing" (talk) 04:12, 19 August 2016 (UTC)

I know the feeling about the OWNISH behavior. Maning954 keeps editing David Carr (American football) like they own it, it's pathetic. Ugh. And Chris, I hate to see you go bro. CrashUnderride 04:38, 19 August 2016 (UTC)

Crash see above your comment Chris "WarMachineWildThing" (talk) 04:46, 19 August 2016 (UTC)

It's good to take a break once in awhile when things get heated, glad to see you're not going away. Owing and battleground behavior is probably the worst thing about this site. We rarely experience the worst of it in the pro wrestling wikiproject but it doesn't take long to see it when you venture out.LM2000 (talk) 05:35, 19 August 2016 (UTC)

Tag teamsEdit

Hey there. Thank you so much for your support on the tag team deletions. It seems as it has been an ongoing problem, with teams from Y2AJ to Jeri-KO, there will be many fans willing to try and fight to keep up an article without knowing Wikipedia's notability criteria. Thank you so much again and I hope to see you around longer! Sekyaw (talk) 04:19, 23 August 2016 (UTC)

And thank you for taking the time to take these to AfD when I'm too lazy to do it! You have my support.LM2000 (talk) 04:28, 23 August 2016 (UTC)

Why in the world......Edit

Why in the world was Naomi (wrestler) moved to Naomi Knight without a consensus?? One person wants it moved so we move it??Chris "WarMachineWildThing" (talk) 07:26, 23 August 2016 (UTC)

I think @BrownHairedGirl: made a mistake and did not see the previous discussion on Talk:Cameron (wrestler) where we decided to move both articles there. I have started a new RM. There's another ongoing discussion on Talk:Cameron (wrestler) to move back to Cameron Lynn, I've voiced opposition there.LM2000 (talk) 07:49, 23 August 2016 (UTC)
I saw it and responded,I was dealing with The Colonel being added to Dolph Zigger again first as a Ring name even though he did it one time for a commercial. Chris "WarMachineWildThing" (talk) 07:56, 23 August 2016 (UTC)

Tag Titles bring insanityEdit

Omg Smackdown Tag Titles were created tonight, along with Smackdown Women's title. Anyways I kid you not the page has been moved 3 times [1], [2] , and [3]. No consensus for any of the moves, they just took a notion and started move warring it. All with in less than an hour if I'm not mistaken. This brand split and all these titles are making people insane. Chris "WarMachineWildThing" (talk) 02:35, 24 August 2016 (UTC)

Been moved four times. CrashUnderride 02:44, 24 August 2016 (UTC)
Crash your not helping lol I'm kidding. I must missed the 4th. Chris "WarMachineWildThing" (talk) 02:46, 24 August 2016 (UTC)
That's my job. :D CrashUnderride 03:04, 24 August 2016 (UTC)

So what is the name of the championship, is it WWE SmackDown Tag Team Championship or just SmackDown Tag Team Championship? The edit summaries for moving it to WWE SmackDown Tag Team Championship say it's a WWE title so WWE has to be in the name. They must've already forgotten World Tag Team Championship (WWE) and World Heavyweight Championship (WWE). I haven't seen anything from that includes WWE in the title name, but they don't include it for the IC or US championships either.LM2000 (talk) 03:39, 24 August 2016 (UTC)

I watched SmackDown and I don't have a damn clue. Also, is it SmackDown (still) or SmackDown Live? Like the SmackDown brand or Smackdown Live brand? CrashUnderride 03:41, 24 August 2016 (UTC)

They said Smackdown Tag and Smackdown Women's, no WWE on SmackDown. Both have been moved to include WWE Chris "WarMachineWildThing" (talk) 03:47, 24 August 2016 (UTC)

They're promoting the show as SmackDown Live these days, sort of like when they promoted Raw as Raw Supershow. It's probably worth bringing up on WT:PW, but in my opinion we can just call it SmackDown when writing about it on other articles. Pretty sure the brand is still just called SmackDown but it's hard to keep track.LM2000 (talk) 04:27, 24 August 2016 (UTC)
The brand is "SmackDown", the show is SmackDown Live. As for the titles, ugh. On one hand, the announcers explicitly didn't use the WWE prefix with them tonight (and it was the top-notch Mauro Ronalo, not the gaff-prone Michael Cole). On the other hand they still have some pretty large WWE logos (or are some pretty large WWE logos for the SD Women's title), and the page calls them "WWE SmackDown" titles. They're brand new; we don't have to get it perfect right away. There is WP:NODEADLINE. Hell, for all we know, despite being the better show, six months from now, if ratings don't rise enough, USA might just cancel SmackDown outright, ending the brand extension, and all of this will be pointless except as historical coverage. It's not like anyone predicted the return of the brand extension 6 months ago. oknazevad (talk) 04:40, 24 August 2016 (UTC)
Just a little comment. If USA were to cancel SmackDown Live (which I highly doubt they would), WWE would just get on with another network for SmackDown. --JDC808 20:36, 2 September 2016 (UTC)
WWE would probably put SmackDown on the WWE Network until they could sign another cable deal.LM2000 (talk) 20:53, 2 September 2016 (UTC)

Red brand and Blue brand, problem solved lol Chris "WarMachineWildThing" Talk to me 20:58, 2 September 2016 (UTC)

Charlotte QueenEdit

While I'm thinking about it you and Crash might wanna check this out, Ranze is at it again [here] TheBellaTwins1445 have their faults but this time they were right to remove.Chris "WarMachineWildThing" (talk) 04:13, 24 August 2016 (UTC)

I'm so sick and tired of Ranze. Can we get them blocked for disruptive editting, again? Never been blocked for it, I don't think. But still remains, they have been. CrashUnderride 04:06, 24 August 2016 (UTC)
@Oknazevad: proposed a topic ban on pro wrestling articles awhile back when Ranze repeatedly started threads where he claimed WHC title history became WWE World Title history. Ranze hasn't tried to start that again since but it's not like him to WP:DROPTHESTICK, he has also made redirects for names used only once before too. This will end up at WP:ANI at some point but I'd like to hear if ‎Oknazevad thinks we have a strong enough case to get a topic ban right now.LM2000 (talk) 04:27, 24 August 2016 (UTC)
Yeah, I dealt with him on the Iron man of the WWE one as well as the Radical Mongoose issue. I'm tempted to say "I DEMAND A TOPIC BAN FOR RANZE!!!" lol CrashUnderride 04:34, 24 August 2016 (UTC)
I don't know if we have enough for one, to be honest. He's certainly wornout my patience with him, and many others as well, obviously. Obstinate fool who needs to get smacked with a clue bat, but whatever. Frankly, I think he should just leave anyway. Look at his actions regarding the articles about that rapist Brock Turner, and judge him for yourself. oknazevad (talk) 04:50, 24 August 2016 (UTC)
I agree. If he brings up the world title dispute again I'll take it to ANI but I'm concerned that if we go there now it will be closed without action and if we try to bring it up again later it would reflect poorly on us. Ranze usually knows the lines and where not to cross, which is how he has gotten away with his disruptive editing for so long. He has fringe controversial views but WP:GAMEs the system to avoid getting indeffed.LM2000 (talk) 05:00, 24 August 2016 (UTC)
Anyway, I requested move protection for the tag title article. I agree that over time things should fall into place correctly. Warring over moves just gets in the way of that.LM2000 (talk) 05:00, 24 August 2016 (UTC)
I didn't see what he did with the Brock Turner thing. CrashUnderride 05:46, 24 August 2016 (UTC)
Note: I saw a few edits that seemed okay. But then I went back another 50 and well, I ain't goin' through all them edits, you can give me the diffs, if you want. lol CrashUnderride 05:50, 24 August 2016 (UTC)
See this section of his talk page. This episode actually did briefly see him indefinitely blocked because an admin thought it violated his gender topic ban. After a lengthy back-and-forth, AE disagreed and the fact that Gamaliel, who recently resigned, imposed the ban didn't help.LM2000 (talk) 06:01, 24 August 2016 (UTC)

Lmfao He's not dropping the mic on the Charlotte Queen deal is he? My big thing with Ranze is he wormed it so he could get Naomi moved when clearly there would be opposition, then tried to do it with Cameron but got caught. Chris "WarMachineWildThing" (talk) 06:25, 24 August 2016 (UTC)

It was the same way on the world title dispute, this could go on for awhile. Next he'll dump even more sources into that talk page that don't say what he thinks they say and will tell us we're wrong.LM2000 (talk) 07:00, 24 August 2016 (UTC)
Then he will have to continue to be shot down until he provides something that backs it up Chris "WarMachineWildThing" (talk) 07:04, 24 August 2016 (UTC)
One more revert and it goes to WP:AN/3.LM2000 (talk) 10:11, 24 August 2016 (UTC)

I have seen one twitter post of her calling herself queen, that doesn't make it a damn nickname. Chris "WarMachineWildThing" (talk) 11:09, 24 August 2016 (UTC)

I just dropped the Iron Man of the WWE redirect deletion on him. Haha. I'm sick of Ranze. Their behavior is just not even acceptable. CrashUnderride 15:56, 24 August 2016 (UTC)

Daniel HoltzclawEdit

Thank you for removing the reference to #freetheclaw and the supporters. You are right that is not sourced. I do also wonder about the reference to OKCArtistsforJustice that is in the document twice. What do you think of that?Dlruthenberg (talk) 16:03, 24 August 2016 (UTC)

Keep an eye on.Edit

We need to keep an eye on MatthewTardiff. He keeps adding that Eric Young has signed with WWE. While, I've heard reports of that, he fails to provide a WP:RS each and every time. He's "source" was PWMania and placed in an edit summary, then he told me on his talk page that "his friend works for the company so he knows he signed". Ugh. CrashUnderride 02:16, 26 August 2016 (UTC)

Crash Underride Unfortunately Eric has signed with them for NXT. It was announced on several sites tonight. P.S. Sign your comments lol Chris "WarMachineWildThing" (talk) 02:14, 26 August 2016 (UTC)
I know, my problem is he wasn't providing a source. So he got blocked and created a sock account. SPI here. CrashUnderride 02:16, 26 August 2016 (UTC)

Gotcha Chris "WarMachineWildThing" (talk) 02:32, 26 August 2016 (UTC)

I'll keep EY in my watchlist, hopefully the SPI will get him blocked for awhile anyway.LM2000 (talk) 03:23, 26 August 2016 (UTC)
I just wish the admin that blocked MatthewTardiff would get another admin to look at this. I mean if the same admin looked into it could be considered COI. But I just want it done with already. CrashUnderride 03:25, 26 August 2016 (UTC)

Alittle help on title pagesEdit

IP keeps Vandalism going by removing stuff I can't keep up. Chris "WarMachineWildThing" (talk) 03:46, 26 August 2016 (UTC)

See the WWE Universal Championship talk, as I've indicated. WarMachineWildThing is the vandal, nobody else. (talk) 03:47, 26 August 2016 (UTC)

I need you and Crash Chris "WarMachineWildThing" (talk) 04:05, 26 August 2016 (UTC)

To help drive your vandalism? (talk) 04:06, 26 August 2016 (UTC)

LM2000 I can't find the consensus that was done about this, do you know where it is?? Chris "WarMachineWildThing" (talk) 04:20, 26 August 2016 (UTC)

I hope you and Crash Underride can get everything fixed since im now a vandal, OWNER, and just edit war. I'll be getting my block soon I'm sure Chris "WarMachineWildThing" (talk) 04:50, 26 August 2016 (UTC)

He's blocked now.LM2000 (talk) 05:12, 26 August 2016 (UTC)

Doesn't matter, I can't find the consensus, so I'm a liar. My credibility has been destroyed, I was set up and it worked. Thanks for everything you guys helped with. Chris "WarMachineWildThing" (talk) 05:17, 26 August 2016 (UTC)

You're a great editor Chris, you shouldn't leave over this. Like NeilN said, everyone that's been around awhile edit wars a little bit. You weren't the one that was blocked because you weren't the one causing a scene. Your credibility remains intact.LM2000 (talk) 05:33, 26 August 2016 (UTC)

It's over that IP caused so much havoc, now Oknazevad is pissed at me I'm pretty sure cause I tried to see if he had knowledge of the consensus and the IP started shit with him on his talk page because I posted on it. 6 months down the drain, I did what I knew was right, he was vandalizing that page by removing that off of them I wasn't warring and then got accused of being the very things I fight and made to be a liar and a fool. Chris "WarMachineWildThing" (talk) 06:08, 26 August 2016 (UTC)

oknazevad agreed with you that there was a consensus against the IP, although maybe did not originate on WT:PW. I don't think he, NeilN, Crash, or any editors you interact with regularly will want to see you go away like this. All experienced editors have stories of heated confrontations, I once had an editor try to argue that I was incompetent to the Arbitration Committee. Arbs didn't buy that and nobody worth a damn buys that you are a vandal or a bad editor.LM2000 (talk) 06:26, 26 August 2016 (UTC)
I second, literally everything that LM2000 just said. CrashUnderride 06:46, 26 August 2016 (UTC)

I have proof I was setup and I think the 2 IPs, yes 2 are socks after one of their edits back in may [here] look at their comment on the removal they did. Chris "WarMachineWildThing" (talk) 06:53, 26 August 2016 (UTC)

Well, I do know for a fact there's been talk lately of whether or not What Culture is a reliable source or not. That came about when I requested speedy deletion of a poorly started WCPW article after one had already been deleted. CrashUnderride 06:56, 26 August 2016 (UTC)

This was a damn set up to get me banned, if that's the case Crash Underride|Crash that pretty much says they are IP socks of someone in the Wrestling Project.Chris "WarMachineWildThing" (talk) 07:05, 26 August 2016 (UTC)

They're clearly the same person, both geolocated to Belgium. There's been a Belgian IP edit warring on The Streak (wrestling) with similar behavior to the Abominable Wikitroll but I don't think it is him because he is usually linked to UK IPs. I'm not sure what their main account is but they're very familiar with wiki policy.LM2000 (talk) 08:41, 26 August 2016 (UTC)

I get setup to look like a fool with OWNISH behavior and edit warring when those edits were Vandalism as far as I'm concerned because of the comments being made with them. They were trying to get me banned Chris "WarMachineWildThing" 08:47, 26 August 2016 (UTC)

A Vote has been startedEdit

There has been a Vote started [here] on whether to remove "not to be confused with" from pages. Chris"WarMachineWildThing" Talk to me 22:47, 26 August 2016 (UTC)

You might wanna weigh in on thisEdit

Ranze is suggesting a move of The Club on the talk page [here] Chris "WarMachineWildThing" Talk to me 01:00, 30 August 2016 (UTC)

Thanks for the tip off. This move request isn't totally outrageous but the discussion on Talk:WWE Women's Championship is the kind of thing that will end in a topic ban if it keeps happening.LM2000 (talk) 01:38, 30 August 2016 (UTC)

I was just getting ready to post it to ya when you posted. Chris "WarMachineWildThing" Talk to me 01:41, 30 August 2016 (UTC)

Here's another from an IPEdit

Another from an IP [here] Chris "WarMachineWildThing" Talk to me 03:04, 30 August 2016 (UTC)

Del rioEdit

So rumors are out that Del Rio is done with WWE. No confirmation from WWE, he's still listed as just suspended. So the List of WWE personnel keep getting changed removing him, I've reverted it twice but since I got hit with that edit war thing with the IP the other night I'm gun shy so to speak on reverting again. Not sure what to do. Chris "WarMachineWildThing" Talk to me 01:04, 31 August 2016 (UTC)

Look's like he's there right now. I'll keep on eye on it though.LM2000 (talk) 07:57, 31 August 2016 (UTC)

Someone needs a topic banEdit

How has Ranze not been topic banned yet? This crap is getting ridiculous. Chris "WarMachineWildThing" Talk to me 01:37, 2 September 2016 (UTC)

I know, right? Oh wait, we're talking about him, he'll say we're coordinating against him, even though it's a legit discussion. lmao. Ever notice when he blanks his talk page "removing harassment" type stuff. lmao. (talk page stalker) CrashUnderride 01:44, 2 September 2016 (UTC)
Oh probably Chris "WarMachineWildThing" Talk to me 01:51, 2 September 2016 (UTC)
If this set of redirects (Madame and Freaks specifically) are deleted I'll give him one last warning before I take it to WP:ANI. Admins are more likely to take action if the user ignores warnings repeatedly. When I took Shinkazamaturi to ANI last month he almost got indeffed because he kept adding what the announcers said without a source and was warned repeatedly for years. Ranze usually has sources (he didn't during the Women's Championship discussion from the other day though), but their edits are otherwise very similar.LM2000 (talk) 01:52, 2 September 2016 (UTC)
I love his accusations against you and Crash, that made me chuckle. His whole basis for those 2 redirects are that they are nicknames and he knows it and that's why they should Redirect. But they aren't nicknames which is the issue to begin with, it's like people calling Kane the big red retard back in the day, should we redirect that to Kane now too?? As for the Raw one I for one don't think we need all these redirects. They aren't needed. Chris "WarMachineWildThing" Talk to me 02:01, 2 September 2016 (UTC)
I've been looking through his history and found The Man That Mother Nature Forgot To Make Good-Looking. That's about as close to "big red retard" as I've gotten but it is pretty close. It seems to have been a one-time insult as well and shows Ranze's low regard for BLP. I'll wait until this current discussion closes before I nominate that one.LM2000 (talk) 02:10, 2 September 2016 (UTC)
I think there's a notable difference in severity between "retard" and "forgot to make good-looking". I don't consider myself good-looking, it's not particularly an insult, whereas putting down someone's mental faculties is more severe. Ranze (talk) 04:43, 10 September 2016 (UTC)
Omfg that has to be against BLP Chris "WarMachineWildThing" Talk to me 02:16, 2 September 2016 (UTC)
He blanks his talk page like once a month so it's hard to tell how many times he/she's been warned about this. I know it's more than 3. lol. (talk page stalker) CrashUnderride 02:33, 2 September 2016 (UTC)

Should still show in history though Chris "WarMachineWildThing" Talk to me 02:41, 2 September 2016 (UTC)

@WarMachineWildThing: strong co-ordination happening right here. Guys, I don't "blank" my talk page, I archive it. You don't need to check history you just need to check "Archives: /2012, /2013, /2014, /2015, /2016" at the top and click the year. Ranze (talk) 04:41, 10 September 2016 (UTC)
Don't ping me again. There is nothing you say I care about. Chris "WarMachineWildThing" Talk to me 05:08, 10 September 2016 (UTC)

Warning Will RobinsonEdit

Hello LM2000 You just 'warned' this good faith editor that he was 'warned' multiple times. If you are referring to the 'warnings' that were nothing but a dog pile on of editors who state that Cosby is like 'Hitler' ( and Hitler did 'good')and Cosby's civil rights legacy should be suppressed, then feel free to join that pile. You will note at Cosby bio talk a struggle to get a painfully obvious edit into the article about the Cosby civil rights documentary...eventually common sense prevailed and a good edit was added. This is the same group of editors who are removing the the same civil right RS in the Cosby allegations article. This is wikipedia and all editors are equal, not "Animal Farm' where some are more equal. So please cease with empty threats to fellow good faith editors and make an improvement in the edit instead of suppressing the civil rights legacy of a Living Person. With deep concern Sincerely66.235.36.153 (talk) 23:38, 3 September 2016 (UTC) A Contributor

And here we goEdit

So as I'm sure you recall I got suckered by an IP last week. Well it's started again and I'm not falling for it this time. I saw nothing wrong with the article or that anything was unsourced as they claimed so I reverted it. They ofcourse reverted me here with a snotty comment then left this on my talk page. Conveniently its the same article, they knew about the last IP issue, and are geo located in Europe too. I didn't revert again as I can tell this is a damn setup again. Chris "WarMachineWildThing" Talk to me 10:58, 4 September 2016 (UTC)

Undone by another IP. I requested long-term protection, it probably should have never came off.LM2000 (talk) 17:57, 4 September 2016 (UTC)

WWE has changed the title namesEdit

Just a heads up they changed the names for the titles on They changed the Women's, Tag, IC, and US. They have removed WWE from them and changed Women's to Raw Women's and Tag to Raw Tag. IC is just IC and US is just US. Chris "WarMachineWildThing" Talk to me 01:16, 6 September 2016 (UTC)

I don't think IC and US names have changed, they didn't have "WWE" in their name last week either. I looked back on internet archive, Intercontinental was like that in 2005, both were written that way in 2010, and both (along with tag team and divas) were like that in 2014. It seems pretty obvious that the women and tag belts have changed but I wouldn't change IC and US.LM2000 (talk) 03:20, 6 September 2016 (UTC)

Sorry I said the wrong, I meant IC and US dont have raw or Smackdown in them Chris "WarMachineWildThing" Talk to me 04:20, 6 September 2016 (UTC)

Oh thanks for clearing that up. I'm sure somebody is going to use that in a move request though.LM2000 (talk) 04:31, 6 September 2016 (UTC)
Thankfully your the only one I said anything to, so it won't be my fault lol Chris "WarMachineWildThing" Talk to me 04:39, 6 September 2016 (UTC)
So, great. WooHOO!!!! Time for more wikidrama!!! (talk page stalker) CrashUnderride 04:41, 6 September 2016 (UTC)

And just like LM said it has begun, ugh Chris "WarMachineWildThing" Talk to me 00:20, 7 September 2016 (UTC)

Just thought you'd wanna knowEdit

That @Shinkazamaturi: doesn't like being corrected. As seen on their talk page, they removed your warning about WP:RS. (talk page stalker) CrashUnderride 12:15, 8 September 2016 (UTC)

I think their days are numbered. Unlike the other problems we talk about, I think Shinkazamaturi is probably a kid and English isn't their first language. Still, they have been warned about this since 2013 and never stopped so we don't have many options at this point.LM2000 (talk) 17:56, 8 September 2016 (UTC)
I agree about English. I spoke with them (politely if I may say so lol) on their talk page about WP:RS and they asked what I thought reliable sources where so I guided them to the Sources page of the project and haven't heard back yet. lol. (talk page stalker) CrashUnderride 18:01, 8 September 2016 (UTC)
They'll be calling you a "flamer" once they lose their patience with you, that's what he called Chris and I a few weeks ago.LM2000 (talk) 18:14, 8 September 2016 (UTC)
Well, I can just point the edit where I politely provided the information the asked about and show that I've been nothing but nice. But hey, that behavior is their problem. (talk page stalker) CrashUnderride 18:24, 8 September 2016 (UTC)
@Crash Underride: your a flamer, I'm a flamer, according to them we all are lol. Thanks for the help earlier today btw. Chris "WarMachineWildThing" Talk to me 04:52, 9 September 2016 (UTC)

Actual policyEdit

Wikipedia:Redirect/Deletion reasons is some pretty interesting reading if you're wondering about the accepted reasons to nominate redirects for deletion. The string "nota" is notably absent. Ranze (talk) 03:26, 9 September 2016 (UTC)

@Ranze: I've already responded to you in the redirect discussion. Please read reason number 8.LM2000 (talk)

@LM2000: honestly, I don't think it matters at this point. They're not gonna stop. I don't think they've ever admitted they've a re-direct or edit on an article that wasn't proper. (talk page stalker) CrashUnderride 03:31, 9 September 2016 (UTC)

He did admit Big E Jackson wasn't useful but I was shocked at his defense of Rybotch and Cryback.LM2000 (talk) 03:33, 9 September 2016 (UTC)
I honestly have never heard a mention of either name in spoilers, results or during a show, ever. lol. (talk page stalker) CrashUnderride 03:38, 9 September 2016 (UTC)

I see one way for this to end unfortunately. Chris "WarMachineWildThing" Talk to me 04:52, 9 September 2016 (UTC)

LM I actually found Big E Jackson to be helpful because I actually got them mixed up once, which was why I created it. I had figured at the time that others might make a similar mistake due to both being "Big X" characters with bisyllabic surnames ending in -on. I speculated that if a guy who loves Big E and Big Zeke as much as me could make that mistake, that less loving fans could also make that mistake. For that reason I still think it's a useful redirect for someone who begins typing names into the search bar.

So it's not so much that it's not useful, just that you've caused so much trouble I'd rather focus on the ones where I can make a better argument to you about it's usefulness.

As for reason 8, I do not believe that applies to most of the things you have nominated. These things are not "very obscure". Some of them aren't even obscure. I don't see how you could be surprised at my arguing Cryback/Rybotch is not VO because they are commonly-used monikers on the internet by his critics, which you can observe by doing a basic search.

Crash, you must have missed the episode where Chris Jericho used it. Here go you: Could've sworn I posted it before, but maybe it was to someone else? I don't hold this against you, I've gone for periods of not watching WWE as well. Jericho's used #cryback 1 July 2013 on Twitter too: and you can see the hashtag got a lot of consistent activity for the following 3 years. Ranze (talk) 05:07, 9 September 2016 (UTC)

Ranze has been creating some redirects, as well as adding obviously contentious nicknames back to Adrian Neville and Adam Rose. I don't think we should revert them or put the redirects up for deletion until the WP:ANI issue is concluded.LM2000 (talk) 07:06, 9 September 2016 (UTC)
What obviously contentious nickname are you accusing me of restoring to Rose's page? Legitimately confused here. Also you did nominate the "man mother nature forgot" ones for Neville so I'm not sure what you mean by waiting. Ranze (talk) 08:40, 10 September 2016 (UTC)
Really? One insult constitutes being worthy of a re-direct?!?!? Well, why not have Wendy's re-direct to Heath Slater? After all in 2010 John Cena plastered his face on the Wendy's logo making fun of him when he was in The Nexus, or right it wasn't noteworthy, and it wasn't an official nickname. These must stop. This is ridiculous. (talk page stalker) CrashUnderride 11:06, 9 September 2016 (UTC)
I'm not sure where you get the concept of "official nickname". I redirect unique nicks. Obviously stuff referring to existing things like Fruity Pebbles or Wendy would not make sense to redirect. A redirect is something I do when something only or primarily refers to the place I directed it to. That was the case in MMNF2MGL because nobody else has been called that and it is a permutation of his TMGF nick. Ranze (talk) 08:40, 10 September 2016 (UTC)

soz abot you now what hope you can forgive me and hope you are well bye — Preceding unsigned comment added by Baddiey (talkcontribs) 00:57, 13 September 2016 (UTC)

The UsosEdit

Hey, thanks for helping out on the notice board. The problem isn't with what the user has been doing, it's how he's doing it. The Usos were clearly heels in early 2011, yet, according to him, the last time they were heels was in 2010. He continues to change it to 2010, when he's clearly wrong. I've tried to explain this to him, but unfortunately, he hasn't responded. It's getting annoying because while I'm trying to keep the article truthful, he's making it not, and I'm the only one that seems to notice or care that he's doing this on that specific page. I don't want him to be blocked, it just want help in getting him to stop, because he continuously does it.Dohvahkiin (talk) 04:47, 13 September 2016 (UTC)

@Dohvahkiin: Yes, they're incompetent. Like I said, I don't think they should be doing it at all, but if it's to be done it should be done right, not like what they've done on The Usos or Paige.LM2000 (talk) 05:19, 13 September 2016 (UTC)


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For all your work on articles related to Donald Trump and his 2016 campaign. MB298 (talk) 04:19, 28 September 2016 (UTC)

Can you help me with somethingEdit

Can you do something about user , he keeps undoing a lot of edit's on the - page, and goes too far.

I would like an edit restored but both he an I got in an edit war and I have been warned. But so was he, well he got the last removal of my edit out before the warning. I think the dude is a Cosby sympathizer. (I am neutral)

(cur | prev) 13:47, 26 September 2016‎ (talk)‎ . . (209,943 bytes) (-1,183)‎ . . (→‎M. Eugene Gibbs-Squire vs Bill Cosby, Smithsonian Institution Regents, et al: removed edit using a BLOG as RS do not restore see talk feel free to call a moderator) (undo)

This is a legally binding lawsuit against Cosby, although I admit it is probably frivolous and ridiculous, it is a real lawsuit and he keeps removing it. the Blog he is talking about shows the entire trial papers that are filed. There are several other sources if that is the problem. but removing an edit and making all these radical other changes in other areas of the page as well without talk is just disruptive.

I don't know if you have this power or not, but this dude keeps screwing with this page.

I hope you can restore this edit just to show him that he is wrong.

If you can't then I will just have to let it be, but I think someone needs to put a watch on this guy.

p.s. I am not looking for any preferential treatment. Wwdamron (talk) 13:27, 28 September 2016 (UTC)

@Wwdamron: I've kept my eye on the situation and continue to do so. I took him to ANI a few weeks ago and they would only protect the page for a limited time despite others calling for a block. I see the IP has been warned for edit warring, if they continue to revert I'll bring it back there. I don't know how they have gotten away with this for as long as they have.LM2000 (talk) 22:16, 28 September 2016 (UTC)

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Thanks bot. Meant to do this one.LM2000 (talk) 12:49, 30 September 2016 (UTC)
It says "You're welcome." lol. (talk page stalker) CrashUnderride 12:56, 30 September 2016 (UTC)
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Why in the world is James Ellsworth listed on the Personnel page?? He's not even under a Fulltime WWE contract. Chris "WarMachineWildThing" Talk to me 02:11, 19 October 2016 (UTC)

That we know of. (talk page stalker) CrashUnderride 02:40, 19 October 2016 (UTC)

He just did an interview, which I've been trying to find again after my droid crashed saying this week was his last unless they want to sign him to something as he's not under contract with WWE. Chris "WarMachineWildThing" Talk to me 02:45, 19 October 2016 (UTC)

I can't find the damn link now, it was talking about how he was a rose bud a few times for Adam rose and how they pay him per appearance but that he's not under any contract with them. Chris "WarMachineWildThing" Talk to me 02:53, 19 October 2016 (UTC)

Ah. Well, people must love the "Chin that got the win"....damn don't let Ranze hear that one!! :D (talk page stalker) CrashUnderride 03:01, 19 October 2016 (UTC)
I removed him, he doesn't even have an article let alone a source indicating he's under contract.LM2000 (talk) 03:53, 19 October 2016 (UTC)

Oh he has an article now it just wasn't linked on there I just found it James Ellsworth (wrestler), he's not listed as a WWE superstar either on The article was just created 10/18, that's why I didn't see it. It probably shouldn't have been created. Chris "WarMachineWildThing" Talk to me 04:20, 19 October 2016 (UTC)

I started a talk section on it. Chris "WarMachineWildThing" Talk to me 04:25, 19 October 2016 (UTC)

Oh thanks. Article or no article, what's most important is that there's no source that he has a contract. Maybe when he gets a profile he can be included.LM2000 (talk) 04:37, 19 October 2016 (UTC)

On another note I just found something odd, Shelton Benjamin has a superstar profile which is referenced but isn't listed on the site and it doesn't say alumni on it He has said he hasn't signed yet cause of the injury. I wonder if he signed and they are keeping hush hush on it.Chris "WarMachineWildThing" Talk to me 05:00, 19 October 2016 (UTC)

You have to go to After you scroll past the champions you can view alumni profiles by clicking "CURRENT" and select "WWE Alumni". Shelton isn't listed among current superstars, but he is listed among alumni. I don't think you can tell based on the individual profiles, they make you see which lists they're on.LM2000 (talk) 05:11, 19 October 2016 (UTC)

I love.........Edit

I love how you provided valid sources and they were ignored. True shame the one thing Wikipedia is built on is sources and they are ignored by wrestling smarks. Chris "WarMachineWildThing" Talk to me 02:49, 31 October 2016 (UTC)

Meh, I get it. I thought it would be a closer !vote because they page kept getting moved back and forth until I requested protection, but I can see the other side of the argument.LM2000 (talk) 03:27, 31 October 2016 (UTC)

Main source which is WWE says Charlotte Flair, her robe said Flair, and her boots said CF tonight. It's a sad thing that sources clearly mean nothing on here anymore. Chris "WarMachineWildThing" Talk to me 03:35, 31 October 2016 (UTC)

7 different soild sources now that all say the samething yet it's still be argued the sources are wrong. This is insane. Chris "WarMachineWildThing" Talk to me 02:37, 4 November 2016 (UTC)

Unless something crazy happens, it'll get moved eventually. We'll just have to wait until the enthusiasm dies down a little bit.LM2000 (talk) 03:36, 4 November 2016 (UTC)
I love all the IPs and users who are coming out of the woodwork to oppose it. Don't get how you can oppose 7 solid sources. Just insane. Chris "WarMachineWildThing" Talk to me 03:40, 4 November 2016 (UTC)

More Support than Opposed, yet they wanna close with no consensus?? How is that no consensus?? Chris "WarMachineWildThing" Talk to me 17:11, 9 November 2016 (UTC)

I don't see that happening, might get released for further input though.LM2000 (talk) 20:28, 9 November 2016 (UTC)

Mick Foley just called her Charlotte Flair on RAW. Chris "WarMachineWildThing" Talk to me 02:23, 15 November 2016 (UTC)

And it's being used in WWE Youtube videos, and seemingly every other WWE offering. Still "just a phase" though.LM2000 (talk) 05:24, 15 November 2016 (UTC)

Edit requestEdit

I am not active in this article List of Donald Trump presidential campaign endorsements, 2016, but I see that you are. Can I talk you into taking a look at a recent request, posted on the talk page because of a conflict of interest:

  • @Sphilbrick: I gave my input there but based on the subsequent response by an IP I think this is just spam.LM2000 (talk) 19:27, 11 November 2016 (UTC)

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Will you have a look at the history from this point on Sting to the last edit and tell me if I'm wrong.Chris "WarMachineWildThing" Talk to me 02:37, 22 November 2016 (UTC)

Page has been protected, all further IP edits should be reported as WP:BLOCKEVASION.LM2000 (talk) 03:19, 22 November 2016 (UTC)

After the comments they made on the talk page and on one of the reverts they did of me and then reverting the admin and lying in that revert saying there was a consensus to change it that there wasnt I realized who it was, It's the IP that tried t o get me banned a few months ago. Chris "WarMachineWildThing" Talk to me 03:31, 22 November 2016 (UTC)

Yea, it's obviously someone that interacted with you before. Probably just trying to get your goat.LM2000 (talk) 03:36, 22 November 2016 (UTC)
I checked the Geo and it's the same for both so it's the same IP, only difference now is I know how they operate and I'm not getting suckered again. Chris "WarMachineWildThing" Talk to me 03:39, 22 November 2016 (UTC)


Since the main priority is ultimately preservation of Wikipedia (as always, despite shenanigans here and there), you may want to take a look at the hagiography that is Bill Goldberg's article. You've already given the perpetrator (who's very Akash-y with all his puffery) a telling off,[2] with your comment being swiftly deleted and ignored - he's received multiple warnings since then. Then, a sickening, appalling, intolerable sockpuppet (he indeed was that) cleared up the article in this 100% constructive edit,[3] but that was reverted by multiple users and restored to the dream hagiography. So again, we're left with an article that uses an Inquisitr cite (banned per WP:PW/RS), has had PWInsider and Bryan Alvarez (preferred per WP:PW/RS) cites removed with no justification because they're a tad bit critical and don't fit the hagiographic agenda, and features all manner of rigged puffery including trying to position Jericho's opinion on Goldberg as somehow biased. This is one of the cases where a puffmeister gets his way and everyone sits back, chuffed, because the sock was obviously just vandalising - except it's actually the perceived good guy who's wrecking the article. See you space cowboy. (talk) 17:00, 29 November 2016 (UTC)

The main priority is ultimately preservation of Wikipedia, yes, and editors like you who sock damage Wikipedia. You may think you're bettering the encyclopedia, but the way you edit war to push your often times biased POV, your persistent evasion of blocks, and your relentless harassment of other users over the years is definitely a net negative. Wikipedia would be much better if you left. Note how the only one who ever defends The abominable Wiki troll is, well, The abominable Wiki troll (via sockpuppets). Sro23 (talk) 00:54, 30 November 2016 (UTC)
I acknowledged above that the person behind TAWT is an appalling human, but the edits are often valid. Seriously, you think preserving unequivocally banned sources, along with vandalistic gutting of long-standing, reliable sources, and agenda-driven puffery helps the encyclopedia? Fair enough - says quite a bit about what you think is important here. I won't touch the article again, nor will I further clog up the talk page of the highly respected LM2000. Have the last word. (talk) 02:10, 30 November 2016 (UTC)
I've had a pretty well documented history with The abominable Wiki troll and I agree that the encyclopedia would be better off without his contribution. I think this is a "broke clock right twice a day" situation. Focusing the actual crux of the content dispute and looking past TAWT's behavior, I favor the version they kept reverting back to. Three quotes is too many for the lede, Inquisitor should never be used, especially in a BLP, etc. I'll bring this to the talk page once things calm down, both sides engaged in edit warring and I don't want the page to get full protection again.LM2000 (talk) 02:33, 30 November 2016 (UTC)

Thanks for everything.....Edit

Thanks for everything, your assistance and friendship will be missed. Chris "WarMachineWildThing" Talk to me 12:06, 4 December 2016 (UTC)

You might wanna.....Edit

You may wanna weigh in on this dude is really starting to remind me of someone who was topic banned earlier this year. Chris "WarMachineWildThing" Talk to me 04:09, 9 December 2016 (UTC)

Thanks for tipping me off. They're a great editor but have recently gotten very passionate about pushing NXT as a brand. I warned them last week that it would end up at AN/I if that continued.LM2000 (talk) 05:55, 9 December 2016 (UTC)

One TV defense and maybe a house show or 2 doesn't make it a NXT title. He posted on Oknazevad's talk page wanting to know if hed let it go if the title was defended at 3 upcoming NXT house shows, house shows mean nothing never have. WWE is trying to get the CW's out there that doesn't make it an NXT title, which he's clearly not getting. Like I said their reminding me of another editor who was topic banned. Chris "WarMachineWildThing" Talk to me 06:08, 9 December 2016 (UTC)

And he added it here with no proof it's not just a one-time thing. Chris "WarMachineWildThing" Talk to me 06:21, 9 December 2016 (UTC)

I hope it doesn't come to that in this case, I like him more than I liked that other guy that got topic banned. Hopefully he sees the writing on the wall and stops. Even three defenses seems too infrequent to make those changes.LM2000 (talk) 06:27, 9 December 2016 (UTC)

I removed the other one he added. 1. No proof it's not a one-time deal and 2. The source was 411mania who gave credit to where they got the information to Wrestling Inc which you can see here, which is an unreliable site as you know per WP:PW I don't understand why he's pushing this so hard. Chris "WarMachineWildThing" Talk to me 06:35, 9 December 2016 (UTC)

So now he flat out ignored the discussion he started on the talk page and added it back again. Yes I called him out on it. Nothing says it's an NXT title and being at a house show means nothing, they mix alot of stuff at house shows. It's not been defended or shown on NXT TV because it's not an NXT title and NXT is filmed weeks in advance. Yes im getting frustrated. Chris "WarMachineWildThing" Talk to me 23:28, 9 December 2016 (UTC)

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Thoughts on thisEdit

I started to bold remove but I'd like your thoughts on this Chris "WarMachineWildThing" Talk to me 03:47, 11 December 2016 (UTC)

It seems dubious to me. He made a similar edit here to the main WWE article with a link to the superstars page. I think Will's comments from the last time we discussed this at WT:PW on what constitutes a brand is relevant. This is almost certainly going to AN/I at this point, he got fresh when I called him out on edit warring earlier.[4]LM2000 (talk) 04:26, 11 December 2016 (UTC)

Yeah I've pretty much had it with his attitude towards other editors. None of the sources he provides are ever what he says they are. The last few months he's gotten unbelievable with this brands stuff. Chris "WarMachineWildThing" Talk to me 04:36, 11 December 2016 (UTC)

Welp, you can check out Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents#‎Vjmlhds' months long edit warring if you want.LM2000 (talk) 05:29, 11 December 2016 (UTC)
Withdraw the AN/I, and I won't revert any changes you make to the articles in question. No need to let this thing fester. Vjmlhds (talk) 05:41, 11 December 2016 (UTC)

Good to bad.......Edit

So it gets moved by a user who has over 3,000 edits and 9months and another user decided that's not good enough? this is bs. Chris "WarMachineWildThing" Talk to me 17:42, 11 December 2016 (UTC)

Proved my point, stood up and just like I knew he removed my response on his talk. Proved my point for me, he was an involved user in the consensus to move he should have never touched it. But I've been here less than a year too so what do I know. Guess I need to stop editting till I've been here 10yrs like him since that seems to be the new rules. Chris "WarMachineWildThing" Talk to me 00:06, 12 December 2016 (UTC)

I put a request in at WP:ANRFC awhile ago to get the thing closed. I just can't wait for it to be over.LM2000 (talk) 00:15, 12 December 2016 (UTC)

For me it is over, good luck. Chris "WarMachineWildThing" Talk to me 03:33, 12 December 2016 (UTC)

WWE Championship move was screwed upEdit

They moved WWE World Championship to WWE, Championship. It should be WWE Championship without the ,. Move was done by someone who has been here since 2013 and clearly wasnt proof read. Just letting you know as I was notified via email Chris "WarMachineWildThing" Talk to me 01:20, 14 December 2016 (UTC)

Already working on it.LM2000 (talk) 01:23, 14 December 2016 (UTC)

Sorry to have bothered, will be shutting off notifications tonight. Chris "WarMachineWildThing" Talk to me 01:25, 14 December 2016 (UTC)

You're fine. Sorry to see you go but I understand everything.LM2000 (talk) 01:30, 14 December 2016 (UTC)

Is what it is when vets like that ruin everything and chase off new users, if more vets were like you things would be great but I don't see that happening. I wish ya the best. Chris "WarMachineWildThing" Talk to me 01:33, 14 December 2016 (UTC)

Looks like you'll have to get an Admin involved, now it's WWE ChampionshiP. Chris "WarMachineWildThing" Talk to me 02:17, 14 December 2016 (UTC)

If they keep doing it after being scolded by the three of us, I will get an admin involved.LM2000 (talk) 02:41, 14 December 2016 (UTC)

This really proved my point from the other night that this user has been here since 2013, more than a year and he screwed it up twice, the newbie moved Charlotte perfect. Hopefully you guys get it fixed right. Chris "WarMachineWildThing" Talk to me 02:53, 14 December 2016 (UTC)

You might want to weigh in on this redirect deletion. Chris "WarMachineWildThing" Talk to me 05:20, 14 December 2016 (UTC)

WWE Hall Of FameEdit

I've reverted the Trump info back twice. IP continues to remove Trump content based on their own opinion and no consensus. I suggest admin assistance as IP refused to take to talk page. Chris "WarMachineWildThing" Talk to me 20:20, 20 December 2016 (UTC)

Did what I could not violating 3rr. IP removed all the job titles from celebs. Chris "WarMachineWildThing" Talk to me 21:37, 20 December 2016 (UTC)

I slept through the worst of it. We'll probably be dealing with this once the block wears off though.LM2000 (talk) 23:07, 20 December 2016 (UTC)

If you SPI let me know, I will back you on it. I feel they did it intentionally. Chris "WarMachineWildThing" Talk to me 23:52, 20 December 2016 (UTC)

It was obviously intentional. Everybody forgets to sign in from time to time but it's calculated to make that many IP edits only to switch over so as to not violate 3RR. I'm not taking it to SPI yet because I think Oshwah took care of it for now. We'll have to see if any other suspicious accounts pop up to make the same edit when protection comes off.LM2000 (talk) 23:59, 20 December 2016 (UTC)

They already violated 3rr, they reverted you 1 and me 3 all within 24hrs lol. Before I forget you are gonna wanna see this. They tried to get help from another vet user. Chris "WarMachineWildThing" Talk to me 00:04, 21 December 2016 (UTC)

The ShieldEdit

Sekyaw and I have been reverting unsourced info on the Sheild article I wanted you to know because of Rollins and Reigns tag teaming for a couple matches IPs have taken to saying the shield reformed. There has been no announcement they are reforming the shield and during the 2 tag matches they were not anounced together. Just a heads up as I just reverted it again so I'm sure they will start hitting it again. Chris "WarMachineWildThing" Talk to me 04:52, 21 December 2016 (UTC)

Thanks. It wasn't in my watchlist but it is now.LM2000 (talk) 08:52, 21 December 2016 (UTC)

WWE Hall of Fame Celebrity Wing IIEdit

I have already stated my case I wanted to ask did you feel the need to add day jobs because Donald Trump is now president it was find years before now. I feel the status they achieved gives them enough nobility and are inducted due to contributions for WWE nobody cares about their days jobs well apparently you do. that's the question and why should it stay no one gave you permission to add the occupation section without starting an support or oppose talk page. just because I reverted I was blocked for 24 hrs you cant please everyone on here. Also I would like to say that I wrote to Hulk without knowing he took some time off. I want the occupation sectioned removed so we must find common ground on this issue. -- (talk) 23:35, 21 December 2016 (UTC)

Take it to the talk page. Trump's president-elect status was added repeatedly by other editors before I added the "Occupation" section to give it a proper space.LM2000 (talk) 00:31, 22 December 2016 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) As we both told you several times take it to the Hall Of Fame talk page, this isn't just about you and LM. You are the only one wanting it removed, no other user has had issues with it. LM added it over a month ago with no objection from any other user. There is nothing wrong with letting people know what they do outside of WWE. You clearly have an issue with Trump as that's who you always bring up. LMs talk page is not the place to discuss this or gain any consensus. Just because 1 person wants something done means nothing, you MUST gain consensus to remove it as you are the only one objecting. By the way you were blocked for edit warring after being told several times to take it to the talk page, which you refused to do, not for removing. Chris "WarMachineWildThing" Talk to me 00:45, 22 December 2016 (UTC)

  • at WarMachine The Hall of Fame is for contributions to the WWE the jobs were not added for years until now and I was unaware that LM 2000 had added it without a propose talk page to gain approval by other users. I mention Trump because the minute he was elected to office the occupation section was made. I do not care for Trump in general. (talk) 02:13, 22 December 2016 (UTC)

1. TAKE TO TALK PAGE, you've been told how to discuss this correctly by myself, LM, and an Admin. 2. They were listed for over a month with no objection, any user who had an objection to it being added would have done something before hand, which they did not. 3. Your not liking Trump shows a Non neutral POV, which is against Wiki policy when editting see WP:NPOV, you want it removed because you don't like Trump, your words. 4. As there were no objection to it being added and 2 users reverted you and told you to take it to the talk page several times you need consensus to remove, which means take it to the talk page. Chris "WarMachineWildThing" Talk to me 02:31, 22 December 2016 (UTC)

  • at warmachine I used Donald Trump as the platform LM informed me someone added his presidency as to why he created the occupation section. I have already put it in the talk page and as I stated I do not care for Trump nor do I dislike him I am not a political junkie. The occupation section was not created until he became president if they would have added it in the beginning I wouldn't have an issue with it. Day Jobs don't have nothing to do with WWE and everyone in general knows who the celebrity inductees are. my only mistake was rubbing LM 2000 the wrong way had I known about the other user adding Trumps presidency I would have reverted it. I am now just finding out about it and I changed and now we are having this discussion. (talk) 02:45, 22 December 2016 (UTC)

STOP DISCUSSING HERE, what part of take to talk do you not get? Chris "WarMachineWildThing" Talk to me 02:54, 22 December 2016 (UTC)


LM2000 Seeing as they continue to jump from IP to user name and have admitted it, do you think SPI is in order? They are clearly doing it on purpose. Chris "WarMachineWildThing" Talk to me 02:54, 22 December 2016 (UTC)

  • No I don't sign in sometimes only when I need too. I did nothing wrong. (talk) 02:59, 22 December 2016 (UTC)
  • You did use a registered account to continue your edit war yesterday. Could you please use one account on the talk page? Other people will assume you are a sockpuppet and you could face another block.LM2000 (talk) 03:03, 22 December 2016 (UTC)
  • I had my account for years I signed in when the the page was protected I only have one account and it was not created to start an edit war. (talk) 03:06, 22 December 2016 (UTC)
  • Yea, it was protected because you were edit warring. Now it's fully protected because you kept edit warring with your registered account. Try to use one account in your responses so other people know who you are.LM2000 (talk) 03:11, 22 December 2016 (UTC)

You were warned to stop edit warring on your IP, so you switched to your user name and did this so as to continue warring which got you blocked on both by the Admin you reverted and who had warned you to stop warring. Now you are posting as IP and your User name on the talk page which makes you look like 2 different people which is puppetry and is gonna get you blocked again. Chris "WarMachineWildThing" Talk to me 03:13, 22 December 2016 (UTC)

  • I don't sign in on a daily bases and the day jobs are going to stay LM has already oppose though he wasn't the one who edited Donald Trump's presidency so relax. I only have one account and it was created many years ago. Have a good evening. (talk) 03:19, 22 December 2016 (UTC)

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  • Merry Christmas to you my friend.LM2000 (talk) 17:45, 25 December 2016 (UTC)

Might wanna.......Edit

You might wanna weigh in on this before mass changes are made to all Wrestling articles because of this users way of thinking. I see this causing more issues than we need. Chris "WarMachineWildThing" Talk to me 19:10, 25 December 2016 (UTC)

Warring over 205 being a brand or notEdit

You might wanna weigh in on this talk discussion about whether Vjmlhds listing 205 as a brand is vaild. Yes he's been warring with a couple users over it. Which you can check out here Chris "WarMachineWildThing" Talk to me 01:07, 27 December 2016 (UTC)

Thanks, I've seen the war brewing but didn't chime in because I legitimately don't know if it's a brand or not. It's only a matter of time before both of them are blocked and the page is protected though.LM2000 (talk) 01:10, 27 December 2016 (UTC)

Title is a RAW title, cruiserweights are listed on as part of RAW, that makes 205 a sub brand, it's really pretty simple lol. HHH called it a brand, but he also calls the women's division a brand so yeah, 205 has no GM or Commissioner, RAW,SmackDown, and NXT do. Chris "WarMachineWildThing" Talk to me 01:15, 27 December 2016 (UTC)

That's what I thought, looks like a sub-brand. I'm sick of seeing those sources where HHH uses "brand" to promote stuff.LM2000 (talk) 01:22, 27 December 2016 (UTC)
Because Paul likes to run off at the mouth without thinking first. He calls everyone brands and Vince's Twitter is posted on by staff 3/4 of the time it's them not Vince so what Vince posted on Twitter isn't reliable either. No GM or Commissioner means it's not a brand. Chris "WarMachineWildThing" Talk to me 01:26, 27 December 2016 (UTC)
Agreed on the last point - argument conceded. Vjmlhds (talk) 04:54, 27 December 2016 (UTC)
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