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Human Rights entry on the National Cheng Kung University page

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Dear Jac, Will you please explain why my Human Rights entry on the National Cheng Kung University page was removed for being "poorly sourced"? I don't understand. It's been on for weeks now. It's completely sourced, in both Chinese and English, with official court and Ministry of Education documents. Your removal came on the same day when an editor pushed my human rights entry further down the page with this comment:

(cur | prev) 00:37, 28 November 2010 128.232.134.168 (talk) (8,868 bytes) (Moved "Human rights record" section further down the page becuase it seems less important than much of the other content, and of less interest to the general reader.) (undo)

I commented on his Talk Page:

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Re: your comment: (Moved "Human rights record" section further down the page becuase it seems less important than much of the other content, and of less interest to the general reader.)

I don't understand your point of view: what is more important than human rights, especially for a university, which can only stand on moral integrity and human rights. Without human rights on what basis can a university stand: Without the insurance of human rights, how can a university insure the integrity of grading, of the curriculum, of academic promotion? That's why tenure was established at many universities in the first place. Do you really think human rights is of lesser importance than how many colleges there are at a university? Human rights may not be of primary importance in Mainland China, but it should certainly be of primary importance at a university in Taiwan, which calls itself a democracy and which has only recently formally endorsed international human rights charters. --Cincinattus (talk) 03:01, 28 November 2010 (UTC)

Your comment was:

(cur | prev) 00:58, 28 November 2010 Jac16888 (talk | contribs) (7,237 bytes) (→Human Rights Record: rm poorly sourced allegations) (undo)

But how can these be "poorly sourced allegations"? They're not even "allegations" in the stric legal sense of that word. A person "allegedly" committed a crime until he's convicted; then it's legally justified to say that person committed that crime. An allegation is an accusation that has not been verified. But both court and Ministry of Education documents have fully verified my statement, which therefore cannot be called mere "allegations."

If these were indeed "allegations" they would have been removed immediately as soon as I posted them, but they were not, once I "sourced" the claims with legal documents (and if court and Ministry of Education rulings and letters are not "legal" then I don't understand what currency the word "legal" has on Wikipedia. Why was my entry left on for seeks after I "sourced" it then removed on the same day that user 128.232.134.168 thought legal rights "less important" and of "less interest"? First, human rights are of primary importance to a university, or at least should be. If 128.232.134.168 thinks otherwise, he or she has a right to that opinion; but I doubt it would be shared by most academics. And I'm not sure if a university should establish itself on what's interesting or uninteresting. I think a university should establish itself on what's just or unjust. The recent incident regarding Ms. Yang Shun-chun shows how sensitive the issue of injustice can be in Taiwan, or does the issue of justice just pertain to Taiwanese and not to foreigners?

But evidently the agenda of 128.232.134.168 is different from mine, so I'll address the main issue here to you. Please Jac, explain to me what you mean by "unsourced" and why this claim was made only now and not before when the sourcing has not changed since it was first entered no later than November 7, 2010. Thanks for your consideration, Jac. --Cincinattus (talk) 03:31, 28 November 2010 (UTC)

The reason I removed the content again is exactly the same as before, it only occurs now because the ip's edit brought the page back to the top of my watchlist, I missed your last edit. You seem to not be listening to what I say so I'll try and be clear. You are clearly not a neutral party in respect to this issue, so therefore should not be editing about it, WP:NPOV. Your "documents" give no indication that they are in fact real at all, Wikipedia:Verifiability, and the fact that they are coming from your own personal blog makes them even less reliable. Please remove the content until such time as you are able to properly source them--Jac16888Talk 03:38, 28 November 2010 (UTC)
You're starting to get on my nerves now. I say biased because the entire section is about you! you make it clear on your blog that you are the one with the complaint, and even shows that you are attempting to use wikipedia to further your own goals--Jac16888Talk 17:54, 28 November 2010 (UTC)


School of young pilots

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By what criteria my article "School of young pilots" has been removed? In a direct reference on this article in Russian Wikipedia - http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Школа_юных_лётчиков

On level Babel it is visible that I know English on 2. If in article there was an incorrect transfer, it was necessary to correct it, but not to delete the necessary article. I haven't had time even to add information sources. I ask to restore. I ask to answer me personally —Preceding unsigned comment added by Behind the river (talk • contribs) 18:02, 28 November 2010 (UTC)

I removed it because you had clearly simply run the russian article through a machine translator, resulting in an article was entirely unintelligible, which is of no use to anybody. If you want to write an article about it, start from scratch and translate it properly--Jac16888Talk 18:05, 28 November 2010 (UTC)

I wonder why you deleted my usefull page "Ordini di Borsa"......

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Thank you for your answer....Tony

locotony69@gmail.com —Preceding unsigned comment added by Locotony69 (talk • contribs) 15:40, 29 November 2010 (UTC)

Because a), this is the English wikipedia, i.e. articles need to be in English, and b) we already have many articles about the Stock market--Jac16888Talk 15:51, 29 November 2010 (UTC)

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Your transfer of my articles to another subpage was uncalled for and has greatly caused untold hardship to my smooth accessibility of my articles.Thanks.Earlymen (talk) 02:04,30 November 2010 (UTC)

I did it because you have put them in the wrong place. By including a space after your username and before the / you have meant that they are ownerless(see Wikipedia:Database reports/Ownerless pages in the user space. I fail to see the untold hardship, surely you only need to correct a few links. Since you have decided to recreate the pages, they will now have to be dealt with as well. I will give you some time to deal with it before I do--Jac16888Talk 15:46, 30 November 2010 (UTC)

Homosexuals Anonymous

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Hi... I have recently been working on the Homosexuals Anonymous article, and have nominated it for GA. The logs show that you deleted an earlier version of the article under A7. So, I wanted to ask (a) if you see any problem with the current version from a notability perspective, and (b) whether any of the three deleted versions contain any content of value that I might be able to add to the current article? Thanks. EdChem (talk) 12:41, 1 December 2010 (UTC)

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Hello Jac16888

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I am having some difficulties redirecting User talk:Earlymen /ARTICLES I HAVE WORKED ON/EXPANDED...to User talk:Earlymen/ARTICLES I HAVE WORKED ON/EXPANDED...on my userpage,the former page is blank leaving the ARTICLES I HAVE WORKED ON/EXPANDED or ARTICLES I HAVE STARTED to appear red on my userpage.You moved the pages succesfully without a redirect so that i might access them easily.You can do it now.Thanks Earlymen (talk) 03:05,9 December 2010 (UTC).

  Done, thanks--Jac16888Talk 14:16, 9 December 2010 (UTC)

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E-ville roller derby league

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I was looking at creating a new entry for my roller derby league, as it seems the old version has been deleted. can you please advise how I should proceed? thank you.

ref: This page has been deleted. The deletion and move log for the page are provided below for reference. 

   * 02:34, 1 May 2010 Jac16888 (talk | contribs) deleted "E-ville roller derby" ‎ (A7: No explanation of the subject's significance (real person, animal, organization, or web content))

--ChaseyMaim (talk) 17:57, 16 December 2010 (UTC)

ADCPortal

Mind giving hints of what could be done instead of just putting articles up for deletion since ADCPortal is a huge deal in the direct connect world might not be worth anything too you but we ( the direct connect community ) feel that if we cant have article about our work or sites then whats the worth of sticking around on wikipedia.. --Swetoast (talk) 15:12, 18 December 2010 (UTC)

Would it be possible to gain access to the deleted page so I may obtain the content to aid me in creating a new page? — Preceding unsigned comment added by ChaseyMaim (talk • contribs) 20:24, 6 January 2011 (UTC)

Undeletion request (Teller (company)

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Could you please undelete Teller (company) (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) which you deleted in October. The company is the last money transfer operation to boycott WikiLeaks, so media coverage will be[1] significant from now on. I'll work on the article to see to it that it satisfies our guidelines. __meco (talk) 13:50, 20 December 2010 (UTC)

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Instituto San Bernardo de La Salle

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Hi - I see that you deleted this page on the ground that it exists on a foreign-language wikipedia. I was in the middle of translating it. Please restore it so I can continue. Thanks. --cbdorsett (talk) 18:02, 25 December 2010 (UTC)

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why you deleted my page named tahsan?? may i ask you why?? thats not done. i worked hard for it. you can't delete this like that. i mean its unfair. :@ — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rudrozzal (talk • contribs) 23:05, 2 January 2011 (UTC)

Talkback

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Hello, Jac16888. You have new messages at Jsfouche's talk page.
Message added 22:12, 3 January 2011 (UTC). You can remove this notice at any time by removing the {{Talkback}} or {{Tb}} template.

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Private discussion

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Hello:

I want to contact you for a private discussion of a certain article that may help in your future edits thereon. The information I have is anecdotal....

Thank you —Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.228.68.227 (talk) 23:15, 6 January 2011 (UTC)

77backup

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Dear Jac, I just found that you deleted my entry about 77backup software ‎: A7: No explanation of the subject's significance (real person, animal, organization, or web content) I am new to wikipedia, but really believe that yhe guys from that team did contribute to the development of the backup services industry in the mi 2000's. Although perhaps I didn't express it clearly. Please note that I am not part of that company (and have not financial interest in it) - I am a customer since the beginning of the company, and I am delighted by the product and the quality of the service. I was told that they a steady base of customer both in France and in the US. Would you accept to un-delete it and let me explain ? Thanks for your help. Regards

Thank you Tom92paris (talk) 20:15, 9 January 2011 (UTC)

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Wrong link to User:Gustavo Szwedowski de Korwin/Heraldic clan Korwin

  • I removed the links I readded to Korwin coat of arms, I'm sorry by this mistake.--Gustavo Szwedowski de Korwin 06:32, 17 January 2011 (UTC)

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I'm wonder why have you deleted a page I create?! — Preceding unsigned comment added by ROOSWT (talk • contribs) 16:54, 19 January 2011 (UTC)

El Nora Alila

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Hi Jac! I see that you removed the {{cleanup-translation}} template from the El Nora Alila article. I’m cool with that. Not speaking/reading Hebrew, I had no way of knowing if the then newly added English translation was correct. I see that subsequently you removed the article’s entry at Wikipedia:Pages needing translation into English (shortcut → WP:PNT), which I understand to be correct procedure. However, my only question is, when you did so, did you feel that Cbdorsett’s concern was effectively dealt with? (See here and here.) I was not entirely certain as to how to deal with his concern and so had not closed the article’s entry at WP:PNT. Thanks! — SpikeToronto 21:50, 19 January 2011 (UTC)

I didn't really look into that to be honest, I was just going by it being readable, and I doubt the article will go any further or recieve any more attention, tagged or not--Jac16888Talk 23:44, 19 January 2011 (UTC)
You, no doubt, have more experience than do I regarding WP:PNT. To be honest, this was the first such wikiarticle with which I’ve ever dealt. I was doing recent changes patrol (RCP) and it appeared in my Huggle screen. I could see in the history that, a few minutes earlier, an IP-only editor had added a translation, but that it was almost immediately reverted by another RCPer as vandalism. When the IP-only editor later re-inserted the translation, I removed the {{Notenglish-section}} template and placed a comment on the other RCPer’s page to prevent it being reverted again. Then I acquainted myself with WP:PNT and followed the rest of the procedure.

As for your comment above, the cleanup-translation template had indeed been there for awhile, and, as you say, will probably not “go any further or recieve any more attention, tagged or not.” Also, if User:Cbdorsett reads Hebrew, as evidenced by his comments, the translation must be an otherwise good one since he had no major objections. His primary concern was one of attribution (i.e., credit). So, thanks for taking care of this! I’ve had it watchlisted for months. — SpikeToronto 01:14, 20 January 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for verifying the Borri translations

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Mahalo for verifying the translations for the Squarcina Borri‎ & Bonacossa Borri articles. Peaceray (talk) 05:37, 20 January 2011 (UTC)

LGBT articles of Brazil

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Hello! Brazilian people love U.S. citizens. Many flights from TX, CA, FL, NY, and GE to Brazil exists. You are very welcome. In FEBRUARY, in the Supreme Federal Court of Brazil will be aproved the *SAME-SEX MARRIAGE IN BRAZIL* ([2]), and the pages LGBT rights in Brazil and Recognition of same-sex unions in Brazil need of you. Because will generate a heavy traffic on these pages, and we need you to help in the English spelling of these pages, you understand me? Please help me. Hentzer (talk) 23:00, 23 January 2011 (UTC)

I have no clue what you're talking about--Jac16888Talk 02:37, 24 January 2011 (UTC)

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PROD on recreation of article previously deleted

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I have read your comment at User talk:HJ Mitchell#Total Club Hits and responded there. JamesBWatson (talk) 14:26, 3 February 2011 (UTC)

I saw, thanks--Jac16888Talk 14:27, 3 February 2011 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of Hybrid (role-playing game)

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I removed the prod tag you left on Hybrid (role-playing game), as it was discussed at AfD in April 2009 and the discussion was closed with no consensus. Compliance with policy is the only reason I did this; I have no comment on the merits of deletion and no prejudice against re-nomination at AfD. —KuyaBriBriTalk 03:16, 5 February 2011 (UTC)

Didn't notice that, thanks for telling me--Jac16888Talk 09:44, 5 February 2011 (UTC)

Nice!

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Nice comeback! diff --Ashanda (talk) 17:32, 5 February 2011 (UTC)

Apologies

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Apologies for the blemish on your log... was reverting nasty vandalism and accidentally blocked you instead of the attacker. Feel free to trout me.  7  12:00, 6 February 2011 (UTC)

I feel so dirty all of a sudden--Jac16888Talk 17:52, 6 February 2011 (UTC)
Do you think I can delete it (forgot that was possible) or would it be inappropriate to do so?--Jac16888Talk 20:37, 6 February 2011 (UTC)
I thought about it as well, but I don't believe this qualifies for any of the RD criteria. You might be able to get a sympathetic oversighter to suppress it, but hopefully it is not an issue. It was in place for all of 30 seconds and I wrote that it was an error when unblocking... but if you want me to beg an oversighter let me know and I'd be happy to try. Again, apologies.  7  22:59, 6 February 2011 (UTC)
Don't worry about it, its not a big deal--Jac16888Talk 23:08, 6 February 2011 (UTC)

Speedy delete of Florian Magny

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HI, I see that you deleted the Magny article earlier today. Can you recall what I did wrong with the subst template which meant the thing didn't format as it should on pages for translation? I don't want to make a habit of it! Best - Sitush (talk) 19:44, 7 February 2011 (UTC)

You just paste {{subst:Needtrans | pg = Article name | Language = unknown | Comments = }} ~~~~, its on the {{Not English}} template--Jac16888Talk 20:12, 7 February 2011 (UTC)
Thanks for the reply. Just paste it on the article page or the talk page? That was the bit I couldn't make my mind up about from the help section - seemed a bit ambiguous. Or maybe I've had a long day. Sitush (talk) 20:35, 7 February 2011 (UTC)
Ah gotcha. You add {{Not English}} to the article, or {{Not English}} if you happen to know it, then add the template i gave above to the bottom of this section (linked to from the notenglish template) of Wikipedia:Pages needing translation into English--Jac16888Talk 20:40, 7 February 2011 (UTC)
Brilliant. Thanks ever so much. -Sitush (talk) 21:48, 7 February 2011 (UTC)

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My article Елена Ашотовна Алексанян

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Dear Jac16888,

You have deleted my recently created article 'Елена Ашотовна Алексанян'. I put it online yesterday and it was deleted immidiately with a label 'move back to userspace draft, its not ready if its still in Russian'. I assume the reason is that the article is in Russian, but I created it in English version of Wikipedia? It is meant to be in Russian, because people who will be likely using and benefiting from it - are Russian readers. I assumed that all the Wikipedias are interconnected and that even if you create an article in English Wikipedia it will appear in all the Wikipedia versions including Russian. It seems, it is not the case. But could you please explain me what do I need to do? Do I have to create a new account in Russian Wikipedia and start it all over again? Or I can somehow transfer my article there or there is a special procedure I need to follow?

I would be very grateful your help.

Many thanks,

EditorZ12 — Preceding unsigned comment added by EditorZ12 (talk • contribs) 13:54, 16 February 2011 (UTC)

I didn't delete it, I moved it back where I started, User:EditorZ12/Елена Ашотовна Алексанян. Russian articles are seperate from the ones here, as with all other languages, to create a russian article you need to do so the russian wikipedia. You should be able to log in using your login details from here, and then simply copy the article from here--Jac16888Talk 14:01, 16 February 2011 (UTC)


Oh I see. Thank you very much, I'll try that! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 156.145.225.145 (talk) 19:20, 16 February 2011 (UTC)

Hi, I have now created a new version of this page in Russian Wikipedia. Could you please help me to redirect this page to the new one: 'Алексанян, Елена Ашотовна'? I read 'help', but it's kind of confusing. Many thanks! — Preceding unsigned comment added by EditorZ12 (talk • contribs) 19:07, 22 February 2011 (UTC)

Sorry, we don't do cross project redirects--Jac16888Talk 19:12, 22 February 2011 (UTC)

Ok, then how can I make it disappear from the google searches? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 156.145.225.145 (talk) 16:05, 23 February 2011 (UTC)

Theres no way to do that either, you just need to wait, eventually it won't show up anymore--Jac16888Talk 16:57, 23 February 2011 (UTC)

Ok then, thanks for your help. — Preceding unsigned comment added by EditorZ12 (talk • contribs) 00:30, 25 February 2011 (UTC)

DO NOT DELETE ফেসবুক

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I created Facebook page on bangla for understanding of bangladeshi people, so the article need not be deleted. Faheem01 (talk) 17:12, 16 February 2011 (UTC)

This is the English wikipedia, articles here are supposed to be in English, we already have an article on Facebook, as does the Bengali wikipedia bn:ফেইসবুক--Jac16888Talk 17:19, 16 February 2011 (UTC)

Have restored User:Doc James

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I have been using this as a name for the last couple of years across all Wikiprojects. It is similar to User:Docjames whom is inactive. Another user brought this to my attention which was why I created the disambig. This user name cannot be created as it is too similar to Docjames. Cheers. Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 00:05, 21 February 2011 (UTC)

Then make it into a redirect to you instead, since Docjames is inactive it won't affect him, and it won't count as a ownerless userpage and therefore subject to speedy deletion--Jac16888Talk 00:55, 21 February 2011 (UTC)
Okay done. Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 13:47, 21 February 2011 (UTC)

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Urgent reply

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Hello! My name is Nicolae Florescu I tried to think a page Argizin sterling silver material is a material created by me, about why the page has been deleted Argizin sterling silver

author of this material

pls reply


Nicolae Florescu Romanian bijutierul29@yahoo.com —Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.26.168.226 (talk) 03:36, 24 February 2011 (UTC)

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what are you doing????

why have you deleted the "University Alfonso X el Sabio"?? We are students of en European Master in Translation and we are obviously not using any MT!! so???? This is part of our Assessment!

Convertizor de frecvenţă

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Hello, can you please explain whz did delete my page Convertizor de frecvenţă ? I saw that you said it similar to Variable-frequency drive (CSD A10) topic, but my page is in Romanian and it is my own material ,it has nothing to do with Variable-frequency drive (CSD A10 topic.

Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by DanfossDrives (talk • contribs) 14:21, 7 March 2011 (UTC)

Because Variable-frequency drive is our article about the Frequency Converter which your article was about. This is the English wikipedia, articles need to be in English--Jac16888Talk 14:26, 7 March 2011 (UTC)

Question

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Dear Administrator, I would like have our website referenced as done for http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Webcams_(Website) Is it possible? Do you have any suggestion or a professional editor able to create it? Many thanks for your kind attention. Best Regards Stefano — Preceding unsigned comment added by Stebroz (talk • contribs) 16:12, 7 March 2011 (UTC)

No, its not possible, to have an article a website needs to be notable, presumably you're talking about Camvoice, which as far as I can see does not meet our criteria--Jac16888Talk 16:18, 7 March 2011 (UTC)

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OK.I see, thanks for helping me. Sorry to trouble you, thank you! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wangyue81 (talk • contribs) 08:43, 11 March 2011 (UTC)

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Hi, Could You please explain why you deleted my article? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bulki_-_Vlado_Janevski

The explanation given:‎ (G11: Unambiguous advertising or promotion) My question: Do You really understand Macedonian THAT well, so you can judge if the purpose of the article was solely advertising or promotion? If you had the slightest idea what my article was about I am sure You would have reacted differently because: -Vlado Janevski is THE most popular singer/songwriter in Macedonia so he doesn't need an article in Wikipedia (written in macedonian) to gain popularity or to promote his career in his own country. -the article was about his best song EVER that had been released a fortnight ago after 4 years of silence. So the purpose of the article was obvious (if one understands the language, unlike youself) to create some informational encyclopedic reading for the hundreds of thousends of his fans in Macedonia. So I stronly suggest you put back my article where it was, do not erase the same article if I attempt to create it again, or write to us with a more plausable explanation.

Yours sincerely, Zoran Jacev, Secretary of Vlado Janevski's Official Fanclub e-mail: kontakt@vladojanevski.com.mk — Preceding unsigned comment added by Makedonijanamakedoncite (talk • contribs) 00:05, 26 March 2011 (UTC)

Mlada liberalna demokracija

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I have question. Why you deleted our page? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.143.128.101 (talk) 17:24, 26 March 2011 (UTC)

It wasn't in English, it didn't demonstrate the notability of the group and it was blatantly promotional--Jac16888Talk 17:27, 26 March 2011 (UTC)

Why? We need a page about Mc Quim to promote him. Can we do it? He's a portuguese rapper. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mcquim (talk • contribs) 19:50, 27 March 2011 (UTC)

No, you can't add him. Wikipedia articles are not here to promote things--Jac16888Talk 22:14, 27 March 2011 (UTC)

Removal of well researched encyclopedic page instead of editing information.

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Hello Jac16888

As a regular user of Wikipedia I am very pleased to find the encyclopedia is regularly patrolled.

However I am most surprised that after considerable time spent carefully preparing the information for the 'Simon Corry' page to ensure accuracy and the presentation of encyclopedic unbiased and accurate information you have removed it in a matter of minutes instead of using the talk pages or editing the details you consider to be promotional or inaccurate.

Having voluntarily presented information which readers throughout the world may be interested to read, I am deeply shocked and disappointed you have been so destructive towards this work.

I have re-instated the page and look forward to your positive contribution as to how the information can be improved without resorting to destroying any well researched factual information.

Thank you for your assistance.

Kind regards

Simon Corry — Preceding unsigned comment added by Simon Corry (talk • contribs) 21:37, 27 March 2011 (UTC)

From your username you are clearly the subject or related to him and therefore you are infact biased, with a clear conflict of interest, we do not allow people to write about themselves and it is clearly promotional in tone with no reliable 3rd party references to demonstrate notability--Jac16888Talk 22:17, 27 March 2011 (UTC)

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Thanks for the barnstar, bud. Textorus (talk) 20:43, 29 March 2011 (UTC)

Thanks

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But I don't understand your opinion about my userpage... I can edit in my user all I want "Think so" and please, i dont talk much english I'm cuban, so I speak spanish, so you speak spanish too leave your mensagge here Wait for you or here in your idiom... Tanks again Jonah StarFire (talk) 01:46, 3 April 2011 (UTC)

Page recovery

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With all due respect, I am quite new to wikipedia, but one of the pages I've been working on is deleted by you, because of the "A7" reason. And I respect the rules of wikipedia, but I would apreciate if you could tell me how to recover the text from that article [3], since I don't have it stored anywhere, or what to do to get that page active again, 'cause it's big misunderstanding due to the fact that I didn't know where and how to mark that the subject is about organization, actually - NGO.

Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Manifest Lord (talk • contribs) 14:30, 3 April 2011 (UTC)

3 reasons: the page did not demonstrate the notability of the subject either in the text or more importantly through 3rd party reliable references, second it was written in a highly promotional tone, which we do not allow, and finally it was in serbian, this is the english wikipedia, i.e. english articles--Jac16888Talk 21:17, 3 April 2011 (UTC)

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Thanks

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for reverting the mess on my talk page! [4] PrincessofLlyr royal court 04:21, 9 April 2011 (UTC)

No worries--Jac16888Talk 12:23, 9 April 2011 (UTC)

signature.

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Hiya, thanks for the signature info :), I wasn't sure so yep thanks very muchDavey2010 (talk) 17:16, 10 April 2011 (UTC)

arriva edit/pic delete

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hiya .... again, im not being funny but if arriva didnt want the info copied then it wouldnt be there .... , and not sure about the image deleted thing .... just an odd moment lol, anyway lessons leart and i apologize ....Davey2010 (talk) 19:38, 10 April 2011 (UTC)

Maybe they do, but legally we can't take your word for it which is why we have the OTRS system. Of course an easier solution is just to write it in your own words using the arriva website as a source--Jac16888Talk 19:51, 10 April 2011 (UTC)

Hiya , lol i didnt think of that ... thanks mate :) oh and thanks 4 ur help & patience much appreciatedDavey2010 (talk) 15:18, 11 April 2011 (UTC)

Juliette Farrell

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hi please help

I am getting radio play and their automated pages look for artists on wikipedia for their biog ] i created one and you deleted it. .

Juliette1xtra

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Juliette Farrell, UK neo soul artist Biography Juliette (Neo Soul singer UK)

Juliette Farrell, (born 12th November 1970 Coventry). Juliette, started singing at the age of 19 as a session singer.

Juliette lives in Birmingham England and performs under the Alias Juliette ♥

Biography

The very soulful Juliette ♥ began her musical journey at the age of 5. She started learning piano at the same time as taking dance lessons at Pam Chater School Of Dance up to the age of 14, this was where she developed her love of music and performance.

Her professional career as a singer began at the age of 19 when someone heard her singing on her doorstep. It just so happened that the person needed a session singer for a rock band in Litchfield. That opportunity lead to several others.

She performed backgrounds in a state of the art studio for Kenny Young, the writer for “Boardwalk” in Oxfordshire. Juliette then worked with Kevin Mason, also from Oxfordshire. Kevin Mason wrote music for the late Eartha Kitt.

Juliette joined her first group called Torq. The group had an interest from a sub label under Sony which led to a single release that was not supported due to label politics. Not too long after the group experiences, Juliette was courted by EMI as a soloist. She then became a part of another group called Urban Vibe.

Juliette vocals were a magnet to many established executives in the music business. She was approached by Howard McRary and Chaka Khan’s sister in effort to manage her career. In 2010 Mr Godfrey Fletcher of Neo2Soul Promotions introduced Juliette to a project developed by multi-platinum producer Herb Middleton called the “The U Turn Project”.

Once again Juliette’s talent drew the interest of Herb Middleton, CEO of NuVybe Records who signed her to the US label. “Key’s of Love” featuring Juliette is slotted for a 2011 release on NuVybe Records along with a feature on “The U Turn Project”

March 2011 sees the debut single ' love me and my hair' as played on radio 1 extra, choice fm, and colourful radio' —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.154.234.136 (talk) 21:08, 29 March 2011 (UTC)

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http://www.discogs.com/artist/Juliette+Leon#t=Appearances_All&q=&p=1 www.nuvyberecords.com http://www.discogs.com/artist/Juliette+Leon#t=Appearances_All&q=&p=1 Albums

Read more at Wikipedia...

—Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.149.195.242 (talk) 20:13, 10 April 2011 (UTC)

promo content hidden--Jac16888 Talk 14:25, 27 October 2011 (UTC)

Help me: User page deleted

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To User talk:Jac16888 - Hello. This question is in regard to the following sandbox page of mine: User:Joseph A. Spadaro/Sandbox/Page44. While I was reviewing my sandbox pages, I noticed that this one -- and no others -- had been deleted. The following message appeared: "A page with this title has previously been deleted. If you are creating a new page with different content, please continue. If you are recreating a page similar to the previously deleted page, or are unsure, please first contact the deleting administrator using the information provided below. 20:34, November 28, 2009 Jac16888 (talk | contribs) deleted "User:Joseph A. Spadaro/Sandbox/Page44" ‎ (CAT:TEMP: Temporary userpage deletion)". Can you please fill me in on what this all means? Specifically, why did you delete this page of mine? And how do I revive it ... or at least see what was on it? Please advise. Thanks. (Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 03:23, 11 April 2011 (UTC))

No idea why I deleted it, that was a very long time ago, but I've restored it for you--Jac16888Talk 03:31, 11 April 2011 (UTC)
OK, thanks! (Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 21:05, 11 April 2011 (UTC))

Page Banca IMI

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Hi Jac, regarding the content I published under Banca IMI page I see there is a copyright issue with Linked in: both content are taken from our corporate profile and the author of Linked in page is Martina Musajo, my boss.

We both work for Banca IMI's communication office, and therefore I take full responsability of the content I wrote.

Let me know what can i do.

Rbigi (talk) 13:28, 11 April 2011 (UTC)

The other issue is that we do not allow people to edit about subjects with which they have a conflict of interest, since you work for the company have a clear bias which will prevent you from presenting a neutral point of view--Jac16888Talk 15:35, 11 April 2011 (UTC)

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Vandalism-catcher!

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Thanks for catching the vandalism on my user and user talk pages! --Philosopher Let us reason together. 20:55, 12 April 2011 (UTC)

No worries, just disappointed fav beat me to the block--Jac16888Talk 21:02, 12 April 2011 (UTC)

About Maidashi ryokuchi.

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Dear Jac16888
I want to ask you. I can't understand why Maidashi ryokuchi was deleted. Please tell me the way making the article translated article. Hot cake syrup (talk) 06:50, 14 April 2011 (UTC)

You simply took the article from the japanese wikipedia and ran it through a machine translator, which we don't allow, because the result was complete unintelligible rubbish. If you want to translate an article from another language wikipedia and you cannot do so yourself, you should follow the steps laid out at WP:TRANSLATION--Jac16888Talk 06:56, 14 April 2011 (UTC)

Oh Thanks you, you are wise man.
Then please tell me which of my sentence can't you understand. I will correct it. --Hot cake syrup (talk) 07:05, 14 April 2011 (UTC)

All of it! Virtually the entire article was unintelligible because you used a machine translation. As I said, either translate it properly, or go through WP:TRANSLATION--Jac16888Talk 07:16, 14 April 2011 (UTC)

OK, Thanks you.:K
I will translate the article in the note, please correct my wrong grammar. I think you are kind man.--Hot cake syrup (talk) 07:20, 14 April 2011 (UTC)

Let me be clear, if you are unable to translate the article to a proper level of English, then you shouldn't do so at all, you can't expect other people to tidy up after you. Perhaps you would be better off editing on the japanese wikipedia, [5]--Jac16888Talk 07:26, 14 April 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for your pointed advice.
I wrote translated article in the article of Maidashi ryokuchi from now, then I want you to correct it. Give me some time to translate the Japanese article it over. Good by. --183.72.131.165 (talk) 07:44, 14 April 2011 (UTC)←wrote by Hot cake syrup (talk) ,sorry.

I have no desire to spend my time correcting an article that isn't translated properly, so I'll try and be as clear as possible. If you can't translate it properly yourself, then don't try--Jac16888Talk 07:52, 14 April 2011 (UTC)

Dear friend.
You are my loyal frent. Please check out my sentence, if you can't understand Japanese, ignore it and see only English.--Hot cake syrup (talk) 08:10, 14 April 2011 (UTC)

第8号馬出緑地(だいはちごうまいだしりょくち)（略称=馬出緑地）とは福岡県福岡市東区馬出三丁目265-2、馬出四丁目193-1に存在する緑地帯である Maidashi Ryokuchi (馬出緑地) is a public park of Higashi ward Maidashi 3-265-2 ~ Maidashi 4-193-1 Fukuoka, Japan. 東区馬出校区には10箇所の公園が存在するが、本公園は最大の敷地面積を誇っている。 In Maidashi school district there are 10 parks, and it is the biggest oneCite error: The <ref> tag has too many names (see the help page).。 In green zone the paseo and sod area is located for wide range of age demographic citizens can find recreation area. 日中には付近の高層住宅に住む就園前の幼児を育てる母親と幼児の公園デビューの場となり、地域コミュニティへの参加の機会を与える場を提供している。 During daytime hours the mothers and her kidlets who liven in vicinity high-rise apartment building have a opportunity of debut in the park, in Japanese such a encounter called as Koen debut. The park gives them opportunity come in with the community path. 同時にバリアフリーに考慮された遊歩道は日向ぼっこをする高齢者に憩いの場を提供している。 Coincidentally the barrier-freed nature trails give grandsires bask in the sun recreation area. 本地は福岡中学校に隣接しており平日の夕方には生徒の利用が見られる。 It come close to Fukuoka junior high school, in workdays early-evening the educand play there. また付近にはゆめタウン博多が存在し、休日には幼児を連れた親子連れで賑わう。 Around here there is Yume Town Hakata, in nonwork days many parents and their children gather together.

Please try and understand what I'm saying here, this is of no use at all, I'm sorry but your grasp of english is clearly not sufficient to translate articles from japanese, and I will not spend my time cleaning up after you. I'm sorry but I think you're better off editing the Japanese wikipedia--Jac16888Talk 14:32, 14 April 2011 (UTC)

Eye chart question

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In regard to that question, I wanted to point out that the OP was not actually looking for a way to illegally obtain a liscense, but was asking about the best way to improve vision for the specific situation an eye chart presents. Beach drifter (talk) 05:32, 17 April 2011 (UTC)

Yes, so as to "hypothetically" obtain a driving license. Its clear from their comments that they intend at some point to try and cheat their way through an eye test, regardless of whether or not they meet the standards required--Jac16888 Talk 05:36, 17 April 2011 (UTC)

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BLP Prod on Foreign Language Article

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I tend to disagree with having that on the page for one main reason; two weeks are provided by the translation template for translation, but the BLP template gives less than that. If no one comes along to translate the page, it will either be moved to another Wiki or deleted outright at that point. If a translation is provided, THEN it makes sense to put the BLP prod. on the page. Right now, if it's not translated, it will be eligible for deletion on April 26; I would try to work on it right now, but I am unilingual and cannot source something in a foreign language. That is why I removed the prod. for the chance to have it translated before putting a new deletion process on the page. I am a man of logic, and what I did makes logical sense given that you insist on having two deletion processes concurrent on the page; unfortunately, with the BLP prod., it will be deleted before a chance is ever given to translate it. An exception should be given in cases like these.

If you disagree, I'd love to raise the issue on the related talk page. For now, I have once again removed the prod. because logically it doesn't make sense right now. CycloneGU (talk) 14:34, 19 April 2011 (UTC)

I'm sorry but you're wrong. BLP does not say that it only applies to articles in English, and one cannot be removed unless a source is added, please do not remove the prod again unless you add a source, the blp policy is one of our most important--Jac16888 Talk 14:43, 19 April 2011 (UTC)
I appreciate that and agree BLP is probably the most important policy we have. I will not go back and remove it again because I have no interest in edit warring or running into a 3RR block, but I still contend that on an English encyclopedia it doesn't make logical sense to have a BLP prod. on something that the majority of EnWiki users are not able to even read. Let me ask this: does it make logical sense to remove the article for BLP before it is translated? Again, it will be gone on April 26 if not translated; why have a chance for removal on April 22 when a translation might not already be done? Is that really going to happen? Is there any way to try to have the translation expedited if you are going to insist on having both templates in place at once? I will raise the issue on the translation page also, but where can I make a comment on this scenario in the BLP areas? I ask because I believe the way this scenario is set up that it might be a loss for the English Wikipedia if a translator comes along at the end of the two weeks to do the translation and finds the article already deleted. I am not declining that the page SHOULD be prodded; I say prod. it after the translation is provided and give ten days from then. CycloneGU (talk) 15:10, 19 April 2011 (UTC)
Also, you left the deletion template on the author's talk page. Logically, it can be assumed that the author will not be able to read the deletion template so it's better to find a translation from someone who understands English. CycloneGU (talk) 15:13, 19 April 2011 (UTC)
At PNT we regularly blp prod articles long before the 2 weeks are up, just as we may also speedy or afd them where appropriate, because we apply the same rules to them that apply to every other article, i.e. if an article meets a deletion criteria delete it. The majority of articles that come through PNT are not translated, and not all that many go through 2 weeks followed by prod before deletion, if we ignored every deletion criteria and prodded after 2 weeks it would be massively backlogged. The article itself does not suggest the person is particularly notable anyway, so why bother waiting.--Jac16888 Talk 15:21, 19 April 2011 (UTC)
Yes, I could run a Google translation and probably make an assessment out of whatever I am able to read. Some are not so simple; Abuubakar abdi mohamed is noted to be in Somali, a language that Google does not even understand in its translator, and if no one comes along to translate we have no other choice but to delete (and this is well beyond the two weeks, I just say speedy it but it's done after 23:34 UTC today in any case). Gerardo Gonzalez miranda on the other hand is Spanish - something the .es link also gives away - and on Google (I know, not perfect or fully reliable) gives the following:

Gerardo González Miranda (September 21, 1972) Anthropologist, Mexican environmentalist and activist dedicated to reforestation and ecosystem restoration through permaculture. Born in Mexico City and raised in the city of Queretaro. After traveling throughout America and Europe seeking appropriate technologies was established in the city of San Cristobal de las Casas, Chiapas, where he founded Tele-Corn (1st TV station in Mexico dedicated to the promotion of permaculture and environmental technologies). It also stands as a promoter of animal rights, awareness and vegan cooking. April 13 started the bike ride starting from the city of Merida, Yucatan to San Salvador car called "Out of America and violence" in solidarity with the people that occurred in America in the hands of state violence and evil social line.

It's not perfect, but I am a good translator of improper and fractured English into proper and structured English, so it's something I can in fact work with. He's a Mexican environmentalist and activist. I've never heard of him, but would any of the information herein make him notable in your view? CycloneGU (talk) 16:18, 19 April 2011 (UTC)
I'm well aware of that already, it wasn't just blindly prodded, I know what the article says near enough, and I don't believe it worth translating, especially considering Tele-Corn tv doesn't appear to exist. The fact that none of the other editors at PNT, several of whom know Spanish very well have not bothered to translate either show that I'm not the only person who deems translation a waste of time--Jac16888 Talk 16:38, 19 April 2011 (UTC)
As, so that's how it works - if something is considered not notable from someone who understands it, no one translates it? That's something I wasn't expecting. CycloneGU (talk) 16:41, 19 April 2011 (UTC)
No, its that people aren't going to waste their time translating something that will be deleted regardless--Jac16888 Talk 16:43, 19 April 2011 (UTC)
That's what I meant...not notable meaning will be deleted regardless. CycloneGU (talk) 16:44, 19 April 2011 (UTC)
You're not making any sense and i'm tired of trying to explain this to you. My main point remains valid, BLP prod does not have exceptions, therefore it was applied to this article--Jac16888 Talk 16:47, 19 April 2011 (UTC)

Thanks from Wikipedia Ambassador

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Jac16888, I want to thank you for providing feedback to one of the articles created through the Wikipedia Campus Ambassador program (Mississippi and Education). This feedback will be valuable to the student in improving their article. I invite you to watch the article and provide feedback from time to time on their edits. Once again, thank you! Dylanstaley (talk) 16:54, 20 April 2011 (UTC)

WTF is wrong with my NGO page?

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What exactly there is "blatant advertising"? Facts only are listed.

Google cache

--Наталка Зубар (talk) 15:37, 25 April 2011 (UTC)

I'd call it blatant advertising when you have headings like "Our activity", and make repeated use of "we" and "our". It may have well have been copied straight from the groups website, not to mention the fact that you have a blatant conflict of interest--Jac16888 Talk 21:11, 25 April 2011 (UTC)

pic removal on user page

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Hiya mate, Undid revision as was going change it but laptop went stupid and it never got done, thanks for removing it Davey2010 Talk 17:20, 25 April 2011 (UTC)

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R.Azmi

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I have translated the article (I was working on it when it was speedy deleted), including changing some things to make sure it complies with Wikipedia:NPOV and other policies. Would it still be copyright infringement to recreate the article with the translation? Do you require a look at the translation? Thanks. Crisco 1492 (talk) 10:05, 27 April 2011 (UTC)

If it was a direct translation then yes, it would still be a copyvio--Jac16888 Talk 10:12, 27 April 2011 (UTC)
It is a direct translation with paraphrasing (i.e. changing the first sentence to match Wikipedia conventions for people with more than one name). I shall get rid of it. Crisco 1492 (talk) 10:16, 27 April 2011 (UTC)

kindly guide me on how to put in the proper content for creating the page about Dr S Natarajan u deleted

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I had created a wiki page on Dr S Natarajan which you have deleted. please let me know why & how I could recreate it Deutriumd2 (talk) 13:19, 29 April 2011 (UTC)

You'll have to be more specific, since you've never created an article, there is no record of an article with that name and It doesn't sound familiar. What was the exact name of the article?--Jac16888 Talk 14:57, 29 April 2011 (UTC)

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Runescape

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what did u post sorry i accidently deleted thread —Preceding unsigned comment added by Crockadile3 (talk • contribs) 17:34, 4 May 2011 (UTC)

I didn't post anything, I was the one who deleted it. If you want help with your game, you should try asking on some forums, which wikipedia is not--Jac16888 Talk 17:37, 4 May 2011 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of Dream Dancer, Cruiser Dreams and Earth Dreams by Janet Morris

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Thanks you for explaining the situation with the "hang on" tags. I have now gone to the appropriate article pages and expressed my opinions there. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Hulcys930 (talk • contribs) 18:54, 4 May 2011

No problem. And don't forget to sign talk page posts with your signature, produced with the button on the toolbar or 4 tildes, ~~~~--Jac16888 Talk 17:57, 4 May 2011 (UTC)

Thanks

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Thanks for cleaning up the mess I made on Nyquist–Shannon sampling theorem; I thought I was replying to a talk-page comment. Dicklyon (talk) 21:15, 7 May 2011 (UTC)

No worries. I wasn't 100% if I removed all of the conversation or removed some of the article, so feel free to fix it either way if necessary--Jac16888 Talk 21:17, 7 May 2011 (UTC)

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why...

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why blocking? I am not making wrong —Preceding unsigned comment added by Carmonacavite2011 (talk • contribs) 14:28, 10 May 2011 (UTC)

what?

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WFT do you think this is? Crazymonkey1123 (Jacob) T or M/Sign mine 03:35, 11 May 2011 (UTC)

Who knows, a troll being a troll most likely--Jac16888 Talk 03:55, 11 May 2011 (UTC)

Christopher Hart (artist)

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Hi, You deleted a page of an artist name Christopher Hart last March. I actually searched for him to find some information about his education history. He is well known as a comic illustrator, and has the most books published in the "Art Instruction/Techniques" section in most bookstores, including Barnes and Nobles and Borders.

Please consider re-instating his profile. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.6.165.35 (talk) 23:27, 13 May 2011 (UTC)

Indonesian / Malay Translations

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Hi Jac, I was wondering if you would be willing to contact me if any Indonesian or Malay come up at Wikipedia:Pages needing translation into English. I sometimes forget to check the page, so they might get missed. Thanks! Crisco 1492 (talk) 08:34, 15 May 2011 (UTC)

Hi Crisco, I will when I remember--Jac16888 Talk 16:12, 15 May 2011 (UTC)
Alright, thanks. Crisco 1492 (talk) 23:12, 15 May 2011 (UTC)

Translation

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Hi Jac16888, thanks for fixing that for me. Misread that instruction in the template. Best, ROBERTMFROMLI | TK/CN 13:39, 16 May 2011 (UTC)

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cCopyvio

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Hello Jac,

I saw you deleted my page for Manu Mihalache, the Romanian race driver, for copyright issues with http://manumihalache.ro/manu/pilot.htm. The picture is taken directly from HIS website, and I am currently working with him. I understand this is a problem, but I would greatly appreciate if you could help me solve it. I registered the picture as "Own work" because it was taken by me at one of Manu's rallies. How could I solve this and keep the page from being deleted?

Much obliged, Matt —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mateus91 (talk • contribs) 07:47, 17 May 2011 (UTC)

For starters we need more than your word that you have his permission, and even then we want articles that are just copied and pasted from his own website, its not going to be neutral. Second, this is the English wikipedia, content needs to be english--Jac16888 Talk 18:34, 17 May 2011 (UTC)

Florence Peake

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In view of the fact that deletion of Florence Peake has turned out to be more controversial than I expected, I have restored the article and reopened the AfD. I have given my opinion on this at User talk:JamesBWatson#Florence Peake and A7. JamesBWatson (talk) 15:43, 18 May 2011 (UTC)

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