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Hi Doc James, why does have a user page for me[1]? Horse Eye's Back (talk) 15:52, 17 January 2023 (UTC)

@Doc James: what the fuck? I did not give consent for it to be deleted or ask that it be deleted, the only one who should be able to edit it is me. If its my page don't edit it, period. You do not have that right and you do not have my permission. Horse Eye's Back (talk) 16:53, 17 January 2023 (UTC)

User:Horse Eye's Back technically it does not have a user page for you. What it shows is "mirroring" from EN WP of a recent version of pages which do not exist on MDWiki. One needs to fork the page before it exists their. There is a logo in the right upper hand corner that explains this. Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 16:59, 17 January 2023 (UTC)
It wasn't imported as a mirror until today at 16:44 [[2]]. Before that it wasn't a mirror, I know because I saw the edit history. Mirrors don't have those and you've never edited my page so you blanking it had to be in a non-mirror. Note that on User talk:Horse Eye's Back on MD there is no logo in the right upper hand corner, nor does the page currently mirror my talk on EN. Horse Eye's Back (talk) 17:04, 17 January 2023 (UTC)
User:Horse Eye's Back Ah? Yah today I imported it to blank the page as I assume you requested that. It previously did not technically exist on MDWiki and only existed as a mirror. I have now deleted the local copy to restore mirroring from EN WP. It changes as you change your user page here. Yah it shows a version that is +/- a month old. Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 17:10, 17 January 2023 (UTC)
Where did I request that? I don't remember doing that. Currently it shows no version whatsoever, [3] is blank not a few months out of date. The user page is a mirror [4], complete with icon... The talk page is not. I saw an edit history independent of the one from enwiki, are you saying I'm telling a baldfaced lie? Horse Eye's Back (talk) 17:13, 17 January 2023 (UTC)
User:Horse Eye's Back I guess I misinterpreted your statement "why does have a user page for me" to mean you didn't want the mirror to appear their.
Try refreshing your browser, the talk page appears as a mirror to me. Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 17:17, 17 January 2023 (UTC)
Either it was a mirror or it had an edit history. Which one is it? Horse Eye's Back (talk) 17:20, 17 January 2023 (UTC)
Doc James, was it a mirror or did it have an edit history? You need to answer the question, if you like I can ask it on Horse Eye's Back (talk) 15:38, 18 January 2023 (UTC)
Sorry not sure what time period you are referring to. You mean right now? Right now it is a mirror.[5] If you mean when I had blanked it from Jan 17th 16:44 to Jan 17th 16:57, than yes it than had an edit history.[6] If you mean before Jan 17th 16:44 than it was mirrored. Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 16:31, 18 January 2023 (UTC)
Thats a public log, not an edit history. Mirrors don't have edit histories. I mean the edits you made to it before 16:44, 17 January 2023. Specifically when you manually blanked the page, big red number in the edit history. You know, right before you deleted the forked page (along with its edit history) and imported the mirror. It was not a mirror before 16:44, it was clearly forked and the history said it had been forked by you. Horse Eye's Back (talk) 16:34, 18 January 2023 (UTC)
The fork occurred at 16:44 on January 17th 2023. It is not possible to edit the page before it is forked. If you look here as an example. The first edit listed at 11 September 2022 was not the date that the article was imported (article was actually first imported yesterday). Rather it is the date this article was last edited on Wikipedia, ie the date of the most recent edit to Wikipedia at the time of forking. Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 16:59, 18 January 2023 (UTC)
The log says it was mirrored at 16:44 on January 17th 2023, not forked. Obviously it existed before then, this discussion starts well before 16:44. Where are the logs from before 16:44 if indeed it was a mirror before then? Horse Eye's Back (talk) 17:06, 18 January 2023 (UTC)

The log says "imported mirrored page", which means "it was mirrored before" after which "it existed locally". Until later at 16:56 you see "restored mirrored page" after which it is mirrored again. All pages are automatically mirrored unless they are "imported" ie forked. Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 17:15, 18 January 2023 (UTC)

It wasn't a mirror before 16:44, you manually blanked it and you can't manually blank a mirror. Are you claiming to not have manually blanked it sometime between 15:52 and 16:44? Horse Eye's Back (talk) 17:20, 18 January 2023 (UTC)
Okay yes correct. It was a mirror before 15:52. It was briefly blanked as I said above already. "Yah today I imported it to blank the page as I assume you requested that." Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 17:27, 18 January 2023 (UTC)
Oh, ok so it was forked and then manually blanked before being returned to a mirrored state. Makes sense, thank you. Horse Eye's Back (talk) 17:32, 18 January 2023 (UTC)


Doc James, I have always stayed away from medical articles given my lack of expertise in the field; it's even one of very few areas in which I think twice before fixing grammatical errors and often don't. I don't believe I took part in any of the discussions leading to the Arbcom case, and I don't think I even looked at that case at the time. I appreciate your having continued to make edits here after, as you state at the top of this page, mostly going over to MDWiki. However, I found your responses at the just-closed AN/I very much lacking in frankness and your actions in belatedly creating on MDWiki for an editor you had blocked the previous year, in order to post a block notice on it, and both the content of that block notice and your responses to questions about it at AN/I to be below the standard of conduct expected of an administrator on English Wikipedia. I don't believe you are currently using your tools much here; all I see recently other than page creations is your actions in relation to the Gregory Marchand article that was discussed in the first section of the AN/I. Would you consider voluntarily resigning your adminship here? Yngvadottir (talk) 01:15, 18 January 2023 (UTC)

I still do some image export to Commons followed by clean up here.[7] Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 04:05, 18 January 2023 (UTC)
I see those, thanks for doing that. However, I am still concerned about your lack of forthrightness in responding at AN/I, and the way you construed and responded to an editor here going to MDWiki and logging in there via the offered button appears to me to fall well below the expected standard for collegiality, particularly your defence—here on—of your belated creation of the user talk page and the content of the block notice you posted there. I realise my post comes very soon after the closure of the discussion, and that you have a number of claims on your time. (As I recall, you're also a few time zones ahead of me; I'm in Pacific.) Have you perhaps considered further whether the tenor of your explanations comports with expectations of administrators here, as opposed to on that spin-off wiki? Yngvadottir (talk) 05:30, 18 January 2023 (UTC)
You are referring to the fact that automatic mirroring was rolled out in the later part of 2021 on MDWiki and thus the previously blank page for the individual in question automatically began showed their most recent EN WP page... And thus I imported, blanked, and left a reason for the block that happened when they logged in in Aug of 2020 in Dec of 2021. Not sure what further of an explanation you are expecting. Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 14:23, 18 January 2023 (UTC)
No, I'm referring to your explanation over here for your block of the editor on that other wiki (referring to registering there via the provided button to use Oauth as following you and that being a contravention of your having banned the editor from this talk page, and to your defence here on of adding "due to long-term pattern of incivility" as the block reason when the editor had never edited on MDWiki. Your reasoning in blocking that editor over there is clearly not a matter of administrative conduct over here, but your justification of the block and of the wording of the block notice both happened over here and fell well below the level of collegiality and responsiveness to questioning expected of an administrator on this project. That's what I was hoping you would have re-thought after I placed it in the ADMINCOND context, and after having some time to think the matter over. (I was also somewhat shocked by your concealment of upcoming WMF support for MDWiki when asked about WMF support for MDWiki, but I consider an evasive answer about funding for a separate project far less serious than defending on-wiki your blocking an editor on that separate project as a continuation of a dispute on this project, and slapping a public mark of shame on them on that other project that did not apply to any conduct of theirs on that other project.) As I say, I don't recall looking at the ArbCom case where I gather the other editor disagreed with you. I am considering doing so in order to determine whether your feud with the editor in question has any basis in their behaviour as opposed to a disagreement over the content of medical articles. But even if it does, pursuing such a feud on another project where they have never edited is petty (perhaps I should instead say that it greatly diminishes the respect I had for you, since depending on the provocation on en.wikipedia, others may have more tolerance for such exporting of feuds), and your defence of the block notice here shows no respect for the editor in question as an editor here, or for those raising issues with your behaviour. At least one participant at AN/I initially extended you the benefit of the doubt and changed their opinion when it became clear what you did and how you chose to explain it. You've lost my confidence entirely as to your fairness as an administrator here on en.wikipedia. Yngvadottir (talk) 09:36, 19 January 2023 (UTC)

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