User talk:GoldRingChip/Archives/2023

Happy New Year, GoldRingChip!

Happy New Year!

GoldRingChip,
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Wives of Henry VIII

Hello. First I wanted to mention that you have done a fantastic job with Template:Family tree of the Wives of Henry VIII, which is why I felt the need to bring the comment left at Talk:Wives of Henry VIII#Ancestry to your attention. It seems that Henry VIII and Janes Seymour's closest common ancestor was Philippa, 5th Countess of Ulster (Philippa –> Roger –> Anne –> Richard, Duke of York –> Edward IV –> Elizabeth of York –> Henry VIII). This appears to be missing from the family tree but I did not want to make a modification since you could have had a reason to omit it. If not, I think you would be the best person to add it since family trees are your specialty. Thanks. Keivan.f^Talk 01:04, 1 February 2023 (UTC)

• @Keivan.f: How does this look? —GoldRingChip 02:08, 1 February 2023 (UTC)

Perfect. Thank you so much for the prompt response. Cheers! Keivan.f^Talk 02:18, 1 February 2023 (UTC)

Specs tables

Nice job on the Mac hardware tables! I used to hate detailed tables, but I've grown quite fond of them. These are pretty fantastic! DFlhb (talk) 22:47, 8 February 2023 (UTC)

• @DFlhb: I wish I'd done a better job proofing them. If you have better sources or citations, it would be appreciated. —GoldRingChip 13:14, 9 February 2023 (UTC)
  • Apple's official specs tables seem like the best bet (not the ones on their product pages, but the ones on their Support site). There are other databases, like Mactracker or EveryMac, but they're no consensus that they're reliable, and they may contain a few mistakes (though likely not many). DFlhb (talk) 13:18, 9 February 2023 (UTC)

Charles Talbot, Duke of Shrewsbury

Hi. I was a little surprised to see Shrewsbury moved from Charles Talbot, 1st Duke of Shrewsbury, because I thought the convention was well-settled that "1st" is included for hereditary peers even if they were the only one. (Whereas life peers have no ordinal.) WP:NCPEER doesn't state this outright, but WP:PEERAGE#Location does (though it has nowhere near the persuasive force of the naming conventions). DBD 11:33, 19 February 2023 (UTC)

• Fine with me. —GoldRingChip 16:43, 19 February 2023 (UTC)

Legislative Explosion Starting with 93rd Congress

Thank you for the great work on the 93rd Congress article.

I am wondering what thoughts editors have on the cause of the legislative sea change that occurred during the 93rd Congress. I was doing some research in the Library of Congress and was gobsmacked at the 3,400% increase in introduced legislation from the 92nd Congress (765) to the 93rd Congress (26,222). This precipitous increase became a new plateau for introduced Congressional legislation that continues to this day (24,789 in the 117th Congress).

See left sidebar HERE.

One possible causative agent I considered was the Legislative Reorganization Act of 1970, but it seems like this should have also had an impact on introduced legislation during the 92nd Congress (1971-1972).

Any thoughts or insights?

Forra Gegen (talk) 08:38, 12 March 2023 (UTC)

UPDATE: Difference is due to a change in reporting methods between historical (pre-1973) and contemporary (post-1973) Library of Congress records. Source - https://www.congress.gov/help/coverage-dates?loclr=twlaw. Prior to 1973 not all action taken on a bill (such as its introduction) were captured by the Library of Congress. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Forra Gegen (talk • contribs) 00:39, 16 March 2023 (UTC)

JWB use

Special:Diff/1151821467 is a completely pointless edit, which goes against the AWBRULES. I've seen you making these changes all over the place. Please stop. Primefac (talk) 13:40, 26 April 2023 (UTC)

• Ok. —GoldRingChip 14:07, 26 April 2023 (UTC)

Lancaster and Leicester family tree

This is a few years late, but I was fascinated by your work on the Template:Lancaster_and_Leicester_family_tree and have to say this is a great piece of work, especially pulling together the familial connections between the early creations of the Earldom of Leicester and and the Fifth, because I do not believe his ancestry is one of the reasons Robert Dudley was made Earl. If I may ask, what is your research process behind these family trees, if their familial relations arent apparent immediately how do you discover them? Impish3000 (talk) 07:23, 5 May 2023 (UTC)

• @Impish3000: I'm glad you're pleased with it. It is all derivative from other articles, such as Duke of Lancaster, Earl of Lancaster, and Earl of Leicester. If/when necessary, I looked at each individual's article to confirm their relationship and titles. Of course, this template is probably flawed so I gladly welcome corrective edits. It's just a start to help readers better understand the relationships. I hope my work inspires you on Wikipedia Cheers. —GoldRingChip 15:18, 5 May 2023 (UTC)

Apology

Hi - sorry, I didn't intend to revert your addition. I was cleaning up after a bunch of presumably UPE socks, who had been sneaking refspam into a whole swathe of articles - I must have accidentally reverted you too at that page. I'm on mobile at the moment, but I'll head back there tomorrow and cut out the relevant spam more carefully. No offence intended. Girth Summit _(blether) 21:22, 9 May 2023 (UTC)

• There was absolutely no offense taken. I've been accidentally-reverted in similar circumstances several times, so I understand. Cheers. —GoldRingChip 23:27, 9 May 2023 (UTC)

Edward III of England Featured article review

I have nominated Edward III of England for a featured article review here. Please join the discussion on whether this article meets the featured article criteria. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. If substantial concerns are not addressed during the review period, the article will be moved to the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Delist" in regards to the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 15:13, 14 May 2023 (UTC)

ec on edward 111

ec on edward 111 § Lingzhi (talk|check refs) 01:30, 5 June 2023 (UTC)

• @Lingzhi.Renascence: Presuming you mean there's an editing conflict on Edward III of England... can it not be resolved? —GoldRingChip 01:31, 5 June 2023 (UTC)
  • Your presumption is impeccably correct. And of course it can be resolved: I'll edit something else for a while. Cheers. § Lingzhi (talk|check refs) 01:35, 5 June 2023 (UTC)
    • @Lingzhi.Renascence: Actually, comrade editor, it is I who shall move on. Your edits were well-founded and I am done. Please continue. —GoldRingChip 01:39, 5 June 2023 (UTC)
      • Ha ha, "comrade editor". I've never heard that one before... someone used to have a joke on his user page about a comrade who won a copy of Lenin's sayings or something... I disremember... anyhow, thanks and later.... § Lingzhi (talk|check refs) 01:42, 5 June 2023 (UTC)
        • I think I'm done. Feel free to double-check. Thanks for your sterling work. § Lingzhi (talk|check refs) 02:04, 5 June 2023 (UTC)

Henry VI of England

Hello GRC. I've noticed you've edited Henry's article a few times now; I'm trying to get it to GA and then later FA, so I invite you to my sixth sandbox to edit as you please, as the mainspace article is going to be completely blown up soon and more or less replaced with that; no obligation though. Cheers, Tim O'Doherty (talk) 16:15, 22 June 2023 (UTC)

• My edits are superficial and cosmetic and probably won't make much difference for your GA & FA efforts. How about I leave it alone entirely just wait until it's all done? —GoldRingChip 00:48, 23 June 2023 (UTC)

Help Wikipedia

It is absurd that on the Moto GP Italia website it says that the year of inauguration is 2002 but on the English site it says 1949, change country and change the year? Help me to solve the problem pls. Maperes (talk) 09:16, 29 June 2023 (UTC)

Peerages in the British Isles

Hi GoldRingChip,

Just wanted to let you know that I've reverted your extensive changes in List of marquesses in the peerages of Britain and Ireland and List of viscounts in the peerages of Britain and Ireland because:

• Red links are to be avoided for individuals unlikely to be retained as standalone articles on Wikipedia (WP:REDNO), such as unelected peers, as most of future article subjects are unlikely to meet the general notability guideline;
• There is no need for multiple bluelinks to the same target article, per WP:LINKONCE.
• You erroneously bluelinked articles to "heirs" which had died hundreds of years ago.

I started manually removing all red links, duplicate links and erroneous links, and one quarter of the way through I figured the best way to go about it would be to simply revert your changes.

As a sidenote, content in a list should always be sourced to reliable sources to comply with WP:V, otherwise it is simply WP:OR. Furthermore, satisfying WP:V is not always enough, and you should always provide a rationale for your changes, per WP:ONUS. The onus to justify making changes is on you.

Cheers, Pilaz (talk) 11:29, 9 August 2023 (UTC)

You may of course try again if you feel that some genuine changes got lost in the revert, but if you do please pay attention to the three points I made above. Pilaz (talk) 11:31, 9 August 2023 (UTC)

I have sent you a note about a page you started

Hello, GoldRingChip. Thank you for your work on 1918 United States Senate special election in Missouri. User:Lightburst, while examining this page as a part of our page curation process, had the following comments:

Thank you for the article

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Lightburst (talk) 01:39, 20 August 2023 (UTC)

author= does not equal last=

Hi, in this edit you change author= to last= in some citation templates, which is clearly wrong. DuncanHill (talk) 18:35, 29 September 2023 (UTC)

• Ok, I'll fix it. The ProveIt script isn't perfect. —GoldRingChip 19:43, 29 September 2023 (UTC)

Thank you. DuncanHill (talk) 09:07, 30 September 2023 (UTC)

Fanily trees

Dear GoldRingChip, you are an exceptionally experienced wikipedian and very good with family trees. I have tried my hand at similar trees but with much less success. "Mine" seem fine in desktop view but get distorted horribly in mobile view. I looked at your tree in James Francis Edward and that seems to pass to mobile view unaffected. I suppose you know what I am doing wrong. May I ask you to be so kind to have a look at the tree in Antoine Hamilton in destop and in mobile view. You will see what I am talking about. With many thanks and best regards, Johannes Schade (talk) 09:21, 15 October 2023 (UTC)

• Thank you for coming to me and for the lovely flattery. The article in both views — desktop & mobile — looks fine to me, other than leaving out Philibert & Elizabeth's child(ren). When I work on family trees I like to make them evenly spaced, but that's a personal preference, not a requirement. The tree in Antoine Hamilton is not evenly spaced, if that's your concern. The mobile view was a bit squished, but that's how lots of things look on mobile, and it was better when I rotated my mobile device for a wider view. I also have noticed that the template requires an extra space at the end of a line (applied like this: | ) when that line ends with a syntax line, such as: ! . or (. (See my edit.) If you'd like me to space the whole thing out evenly (or explain that all to you), just let me know. —GoldRingChip 20:42, 15 October 2023 (UTC)

Hyphens in ISBN

Hyphens in ISBNs are usually placed between each element of the isbn: country group, publisher, title and checksum. You appear to be placing the hyphens in a 1-4-4-1 formation which ignores the elements. This is not a particularly useful way to hyphenate isbns as it removes the relationship between the elements. As an editor with an interest in isbns, you may wish to comment at Wikipedia:Village pump (policy)#RfC: Standardizing ISBN formatting (and an end to editwarring about it). Celia Homeford (talk) 13:54, 6 November 2023 (UTC)

• That's very good to know! I'll look at that VP article. Thanks for quickly noticing it and informing me. —GoldRingChip 14:00, 6 November 2023 (UTC)
• @Celia Homeford: I've restored the formatting, in light of that VP discussion. —GoldRingChip 14:22, 6 November 2023 (UTC)

Forbes family

On the Template:Forbes family tree, you list William Forbes-Sempill, 19th Lord Sempill as being the male line ancestor of all subsequent Forbes baronets, and list them as also holding the title of Lord Sempill, when in actuality, Sir Ewan Forbes, 11th Baronet was his brother and the subsequent baronets were their cousins, while the title of Lord Sempill passed to William's daughter. 98.228.137.44 (talk) 04:34, 23 November 2023 (UTC)

• Thanks for noticing this template and letting me know about this problem. I’ll try to get to it shortly. —GoldRingChip 16:54, 23 November 2023 (UTC)
  • 98.228.137.44: How does it look now? —GoldRingChip 17:03, 24 November 2023 (UTC)
    • (Same IP poster as before) It still lists Sir Ewan Forbes, 11th Baronet as being the father of the next baronet, when he wasn't.2601:249:9301:D570:DCE:DB6E:BCC:F04D (talk) 19:01, 24 November 2023 (UTC)
      • How about now? And have you please considered getting yourself a registered account? —GoldRingChip 20:12, 24 November 2023 (UTC)
        • Looks good. Thank you for your time.2601:249:9301:D570:DCE:DB6E:BCC:F04D (talk) 21:06, 24 November 2023 (UTC)

Template:Royal dukes family tree

Sorry to bother you again, but I noticed that on Template:Royal dukes family tree Prince Albert Victor, Duke of Clarence and Avondale is listed as the son of Queen Victoria, when he was the son of Edward VII. 2601:249:9301:D570:DCE:DB6E:BCC:F04D (talk) 22:02, 24 November 2023 (UTC)

• Fixed. —GoldRingChip 22:27, 24 November 2023 (UTC)