User talk:Colipon/archive

Hi! I wish that you can have a look of the new format of Kangxi Emperor of China. I move the table as I think that such large table at the top is disturbing. wshun 00:05, 2 Aug 2003 (UTC)

Please see Wikipedia:Naming conventions (Chinese)/Name list example and comment. --Menchi 00:27, Aug 2, 2003 (UTC)

Yeah, it's pretty good. Colipon 21:04, 2 Aug 2003 (UTC)

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The link to dynasty goes to the wrong place for the Chinese Dynasty link. --Jiang 23:53, 2 Aug 2003 (UTC)

hold on I'll fix that Colipon 23:57, 2 Aug 2003 (UTC)

You may want to try Table of Chinese monarchs or Timeline of Chinese history or make a new List of Chinese dynasties instead of plugging in some obscure link that doesnt have to do with China. --Jiang 00:01, 3 Aug 2003 (UTC)

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The TOC will appear when there are three headlines in the article. --Jiang

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Hi, Gordie. I would appreciate your opinion on the current Talk:Zhou Dynasty (1122 BC - 256 BC). Cheers, kt2 00:33, 27 Sep 2003 (UTC)

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Hi Colipon. I want you to stop inserting Chinese characters and spelling in Genghis Khan. It's not needed. Mind as well write his name in all the languages in the world in that article. I see that was vandalism.

Thanks ~~

Name for Chinese WP

We're having a poll on the Chinese name for "Wikipedia" at zh:Wikipedia:Wikipedia的中文名. We'd like to know what you think. --Menchi 03:43, 3 Oct 2003 (UTC)

Welcome back! BTW, there is an ongoing poll at Talk:Augusto Pinochet#Another poll? 172 18:33, 19 May 2004 (UTC)

Hi Colipon. Unfortunately, your adminship nomination has not been successful on this occasion and I have removed it from RfA. The votes are archived here should you wish to refer to them. Good luck with any future application you make. Angela. 15:41, May 26, 2004 (UTC)

Wikipedia:WikiProject Chinese cities

Re: your request on my talk page — yeah, I'll help out as much as I can.

One thing though: most of the cities we'll be dealing with at first will probably be prefecture-level cities, which means they'll include a lot of surrounding counties. So does that mean we should do it like Beijing and Chongqing zhixiashi and have articles that talk about the entire dijishi? -- ran 14:51, Aug 6, 2004 (UTC)

I'll help out in the Wikipedia:WikiProject Chinese cities. Ktsquare (talk) 02:47, 10 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Re: your question about license plate numbers — I got those by searching for 中国 车牌 on google. I can't remember the exact site, but it was a traditional Chinese site from Hong Kong (IIRC). The information looked a bit out-of-date, so there're probably better sites out there.... -- ran 17:36, Aug 10, 2004 (UTC)

I found an excellent site for this! http://www.chelink.com/topic/chepai.htm -- ran 03:09, Aug 11, 2004 (UTC)

Another one: http://www.sfd99.com/gsjj/Doc/armyauto.htm -- ran 03:28, Aug 11, 2004 (UTC)

Re: your question about stats for Chinese cities — well, I have a copy of 中华人民共和国行政区划简册2004 (26 RMB), it has area figures, population figures, area codes and postal codes, all down to county-level. You might be able to get information on www.xzqh.org too, I think they have some of this information as well. -- ran 04:29, Aug 11, 2004 (UTC)

VERY NICE WORK with Jinan and Nanjing! How did you make those maps, by the way? -- ran 12:05, Aug 13, 2004 (UTC)

Okay, I took a second look and found that the maps came from Chinese wikipedia. In that case you probably should explain that in the image description pages before they get deleted.

But still, very nice work! I like the way the box looks. -- ran 13:57, Aug 13, 2004 (UTC)

WikiProject Chinese Cities -- extended

Re your comment about Shandong: I'm currently trying to work my way through the provinces of China, expanding each one of them section by section, according to the "official" order (Beijing, Tianjin, Hebei, Shanxi, etc...). Currently I'm somewhere between Heilongjiang and Jiangsu, so I'm afraid I'm not going to be able to get to Shandong for quite some time.

You're welcome to expand the Shandong article in the meantime, of course. ;)

What changes are you thinking about for the province template, btw? Just make the changes on the province template first and then we'll discuss it. -- ran 07:52, Aug 15, 2004 (UTC)

Re the box in Shandong: I'll get to it eventually. Right now I'm focusing on the traditional/simplified problem over at Chinese wikipedia. -- ran 06:56, Aug 16, 2004 (UTC)

Please don't use "major cities" -- it really confuses everything. The cities listed are prefecture-level cities (dijishi), not major cities (zhuyao chengshi). -- ran 03:02, Aug 19, 2004 (UTC)

I've replied on Wikipedia talk:Naming conventions (Chinese). -- [[User:Ran|ran (talk)]] 14:18, Aug 26, 2004 (UTC)

I've replied on that page. -- [[User:Ran|ran (talk)]] 03:45, Aug 29, 2004 (UTC)

Expressways and Transportation

Colipon,

In your mid-August 2004 message on my talk page you mentioned something about expressways and transportation in China and around Beijing. I'm writing to tell you that I've added a template for Beijing-based roads, expressways and China National Highways, and that a project (all-round project) on roads, rail, expressway, airports and seaports has been initiated by me at Wikipedia:WikiProject Transportation in China. I'm hoping to complete basic information on 85-90% of expressways in China by October 2004.

Best, --DF08 18:44, Aug 27, 2004 (UTC)

Expressway Template

Hi Colipon,

Yes, that's true. The problem is, how could one do a nationwide template? At present road numbering on the expressways is spraodic (although China National Highways fare better). The naming is also fraught with confusion (see the relevant bit in the Hebei section of the article for the Jingshi Expressway for more), as we have "one expressway, multiple names" at times.

Maybe to start off province-to-province and then to ultimately create a nationwide one?

Best, --DF08 03:55, Aug 31, 2004 (UTC)

Transportation

Hi Colipon,

I've taken a look at the naming conventions page. Nicely done! :-) I'd like to add that China National Highways could also be abbreviated to the G+3-digit-code (e.g. G101). This was how I did it for the Beijing transportation template.

On Jingshi: the path this expressway takes certainly looks like it's far beyond Beijing-Shijiazhuang; in this case Beijing-Zhuhai is correct. I've no idea where the Jingshen (Beijing-Shenzhen) name came in (it may be an early/abandoned name), it comes in the moment you're in the Hebei stretch (I've ventured no further south than that), and this name is not present in any Chinese expressway atlas. Where this road is being referred to by other exp'ways, they often cite Jingshi and not Jingshen/Jingzhu.

Zhuhai is close to Macao, and Shenzhen is next to Hong Kong. This could be a case of expressway merging, though, so you may be right.

Chinahighway.com seems to be the closest link (albeit highway), with bjhighway.cn coming in close for the Beijing-area ones (though it's Beijing expressways, not highways -- as in the PRC usage.) (By contrast, the Germans have a full database of Autobahns online, at autobahn-online.de.)

Best, --DF08 04:59, Aug 31, 2004 (UTC)

Search Google -- in the entry field type in the Chinese name, preferably in Chinese characters (I use a Mac, so I just use Safari and type in the name in Chinese in the search field). You're going to find a lot of pages with related info. Maps do appear to be rare, though. --DF08 09:52, Sep 2, 2004 (UTC)

Survey

Hi Colipon,

If you have time, please vote on Wikipedia talk:Naming conventions (Chinese)#Survey. Thanks. -- [[User:Ran|ran (talk)]] 23:25, Sep 5, 2004 (UTC)

Xiaopo has started a new survey on Chinese naming conventions on Wikipedia talk:Naming conventions (Chinese)#New survey. Please come and take a look. -- [[User:Ran|ran (talk)]] 16:53, Sep 19, 2004 (UTC)

Jiangsu

Hi Colipon, can you take a look at Jiangsu#Tourism? I don't know where half the places are and I think I've messed up the list enough already.. :( -- [[User:Ran|ran (talk)]] 02:44, Oct 14, 2004 (UTC)

You might be interested in the Wikipedia:China-related topics notice board. --Jiang 02:11, 24 Oct 2004 (UTC)

China Collaboration of the Week

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Wikipedia:WikiProject Sociology

I just started this and am looking to get some people involved. I noticed you've done some work on the subject, and your involvement would certainly be appreciated. Thanks! [[User:Sarge Baldy|Sarge Baldy]] 06:14, Dec 7, 2004 (UTC)

Article Licensing

Hi, I've started a drive to get users to multi-license all of their contributions that they've made to either (1) all U.S. state, county, and city articles or (2) all articles, using the Creative Commons Attribution-Share Alike (CC-by-sa) v1.0 and v2.0 Licenses or into the public domain if they prefer. The CC-by-sa license is a true free documentation license that is similar to Wikipedia's license, the GFDL, but it allows other projects, such as WikiTravel, to use our articles. Since you are among the top 2000 Wikipedians by edits, I was wondering if you would be willing to multi-license all of your contributions or at minimum those on the geographic articles. Over 90% of people asked have agreed. For More Information:

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Re:Zhou Enlai

You can post it on the talk page of Wikipedia:China-related topics notice board or onto the template there. I doubt that will lead people to do anything though. It sucks for articles that are missing some stuff, but not short enough to be wikipedia:Collaboration of the week or the like... anyway, it would be helpful to specify exactly what needs to be improved. --Jiang 07:22, 23 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Re:Dengist reforms

I've seen the People's Daily and China Daily use the term "reform and opening up". --Jiang 22:33, 25 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Re: Smallpox

The smallpox article was hit by a vandal 212.135.1.83 on 21 Feb 2005. The vandalism was evidently generally undiscovered by subsequent users, including myself. However, I finally read all the way through it today and caught the problems. Rather than simply revert, as others had made additions, I printed a copy dated Feb 12th and blocked the information back in, with some copy editing. As you had edited the article since that date, please look it over and make any appropriate changes. Thank you. WBardwin 05:43, 27 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Naming conventions (Chinese) - Eras and Emperors

FYI, I moved your post entitled Eras and Emperors on Wikipedia:Naming conventions (Chinese) to Wikipedia talk:Naming conventions (Chinese). The former is for agreed upon conventions; the latter is for suggestions and questions. --Umofomia 23:22, 17 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Chen Deming

Good evening, Colipon. I was browsing random pages and hit upon Chen Deming. I certainly don't want to act precipitously, so I thought I'd give you a note requesting expansion to the article. In its substub state, it really doesn't provide the reader with much information that wouldn't be more logically presented in another article (the article on the province would have a brief mention that Chen Deming is the current governor). If there is no more to be said about the individual at present, then I would normally treat it as a speedy deletion candidate (criterion #1). Again, seeing that you are an active contributor, I thought that I would instead ask you to expand the article or to let me know if you agree with its deletion until more accomplishments or details are available for him. Geogre 03:37, 18 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Chen Deming follow

Thanks for your attention to that article. The problem is resolved. Geogre 13:12, 18 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Qing Dynasty vandalism

Hey, I was just reading through the Qing Dynasty article today when I noticed that all the images were deleted. I was going to revert it to the previous version but have since learned that there has been a lot of change in the last few edits. Since I'm not an authority on this, I didn't know which version to revert back to since I can't tell what is vandalism and what isn't. Hopefully you can take a look through the recent history and try to sort out what belongs back in the article. In addition to the obvious stuff there is also a link to the Mahdi Army in the middle of the article that I noticed.--Hypo 20:51, 25 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Nine grade system

your paragraph has been edited. Ktsquare (talk) 19:24, 13 Jun 2005 (UTC)

"Abahai"

What on earth have you done? You seem to have deleted the Lady Abahai article altogether (I can't find it anywhere), turned "Abahai" into a redirect, which created a circular link in the Hong Taiji article, and a lot of links in other articles leading to a blank article. Mel Etitis (Μελ Ετητης) 09:30, 22 Jun 2005 (UTC)

I think that I owe you an apology. I'm still trying to work out what happened, but most if not all of the mess was actually caused by Antares911 (talk • contribs). Writing "New page should be started" on a blanked article wasn't the solution to the problems he'd caused, though. Mel Etitis (Μελ Ετητης) 09:52, 22 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Qing Nobility

hi there Colipon, i am totally open to your suggestions how you want to arrange articles concerncing qing dynasty nobles... User:antares911

Hi Colipon... sorry that I can't contribute more to the discussion, but I really have no inkling about Qing nobility or how their nobility worked... 亲王, 贝勒.... they all sound the same to me, lol | -- ran (talk) 20:45, July 14, 2005 (UTC)

Requested Chinese Move

Can you provide a link to where the naming standard is located and the discussion surrounding it since you say it is new. Dragons flight 21:27, August 24, 2005 (UTC)

We see the notices, really. As a matter of principle, all but the most uncomplicated of moves are allowed to sit on RM for 5 days so that if there are any objections they can be heard. I fully expect that your request will be honored, but the Chinese naming conventions are sufficiently complicated on their face that I am disinclined to rush the matter. Dragons flight 04:06, August 26, 2005 (UTC)

I have just formatted the talk pages Talk:Prince He and Talk:Prince Guo for your requests for Hongzhou and Hongshi with the dates of your last notice. It helps everyone if you follow the page formats recommended at Wikipedia:Requested moves#Instructions Philip Baird Shearer 15:23, 26 August 2005 (UTC)

Thai MoS

Please visit Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style (Thailand-related articles)#Cast votes 217.140.193.123 10:41, 26 August 2005 (UTC)

User categorisation

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RE:Propaganda

Immigrant. I have no idea what "Continuous News" is, nor do I remember anything that when translated would be rendered as "Continuous News". Thing is, I've heard something along that line, maybe once or twice. In 10 years. And a few months intermittently after that. Mostly when the CPC is having the People's Congress meetings. If you could supply the Chinese name for "Continuous News" and/or a reliable source, it would be appreciated.
-- Миборовский ^U|T|C|E 06:25, 9 October 2005 (UTC)

Ah I see. Have you watched it? Can you supply a reliable source that it has (as you say) 25 minutes of propaganda?
-- Миборовский ^U|T|C|E 06:36, 9 October 2005 (UTC)

I'm totally serious. While I cannot claim there is no propaganda, there is definitely no 25 minutes of propaganda. Again, supply a reliable source, please.
-- Миборовский ^U|T|C|E 06:43, 9 October 2005 (UTC)

Chinese Maps

Hey, I like the way you've laid out the new maps of prefecture level zones. What program did you use? Are you doing this for all of China? Colipon+(T) 01:06, 24 October 2005 (UTC) transplanted from User talk:Plastictv

Hi, you didn't indicate if you'd check back at my talk page so i thought it best to reply to you here. i'll check back here for your replies.

Yes i'm on the gargantuan project of doing that for all prefecture-level (as wel as sub-provincial and sub-prefecture-level) cities in China. And i used Adobe Photoshop, of course. --Plastictv 02:35, 24 October 2005 (UTC)

Rural life in the People's Republic of China

Kudos on beginning Rural life in the People's Republic of China. Much work remains to be done! Thanks for your contribution. --Dpr 06:21, 8 November 2005 (UTC)

Important AfD

Hi. If you have time please take a look at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of modern day dictators. I'm a bit worried that the main protagonist for the keep side is threatening to reverse the long-established consensus against creating historical categorization schemes on Wikipedia based on editors' original research. As an expert on modern Chinese history, I'm sure that you're going to be one of the Wikipedia editors most familiar with just how often questions concerning any individual leader's power and authority are quite blurry and disputed by historians. So, if you have time, your input will be of great assistance. Best regards. 172 22:12, 26 November 2005 (UTC)

Yuan Shikai

Hello Gordon. Could you tell me what Yuan Shikai first name means in Chinese? Something like "victorious life"? Thanks in advance!

Zement 16:20, 28 November 2005 (UTC)

Mao Zedong

How do you do, sir (considering that you are certainly many years older than I am). I am also a native Chinese and I am working on the article of Mao Zedong. Unfortunately nearly all my changes have been repeatedly deleted as they were considered too flagrant. It is to my belief that you read the same article and I would like to share your views upon it. Personally I feel that the article only managed to praise Mao sufficiently over unifying China yet pressed hardly any emphasis on the horrors of his dictatorial rule, which he later used to destroy the same land which he freed. I view the event as a deep tragedy and felt extremely indignant at the lack of emphasis placed upon this aspect of Mao still yet displayed as supposedly 'neutral' on the article. I was wondering what you would feel as an older and more knowledgeable Chinese? If you feel the same way as me do you think it is possible to organize a certain 'campaign' for Wikipedia in which we try to get the whole article re- edited? Thanks for every attention!

The site also had a certain area where it expressed that Li Zhisui 'claimed' to be Mao's personal physician. I am not certain I understood that correctly- Is it trying to suggest that Li was actually an impostor who made up his book not being Mao's doctor at all? From your broader knowledge can you tell me of more information concerning this mysterious other?

Once again, thanks in advance for your patience towards me. --User:Luthinya 12:42 21 January 2006

How do you do, sir? It's me again and first I wish to thank you very much for replying to my message- it has been very helpful.

According to views and advices such as yours I have changed my assessment on the talk page to make it less 'hot' and more civil in the sense of Wikipedia; could you possibly spare a little time to look through the assessment? If you can give me any new advices it would be very helpful also for a current research I'm doing on a certain essay of dictator personality.

Concerning your ideas of Mao it is relatively similar to my own, though I do not really hold my judgment in middle ground. I have removed the scales from my eyes and do not judge him by putting the 'goodness' (which is not absolute) upon one side and the 'evil' (which is not absolute either) upon the other to see which side on my perfect libra would go down. I simply recognize and analyse his beneficial and disastrous actions upon my mind, trying to see the mind that was working them with pity and thus come to comprehend his personality, with one of the results being that his life in the main, both personal and political, has been a profound tragedy that ruined himself and many others, though of course he deceived himself into believing that there was no such thing. I do not like to present myself as anti this or that or in middling ground- comprehension and mercy is more helpful to me.

Sorry for babbling on for a while- I know this must sound so conceited and boring so you are unbelievably patient if you are still reading. Yet I still have many questions that would be helpful to my research- What exactly do you mean when you said you were on middling ground- and by that I refer to, can you possibly be more specific in your opinion? Do you believe that Mao deserves pity? And this brings me on to an ethical issue I am also writing about: Is it possible or even worthwhile to replace hate with pity? Or does that dissolve all the resolve within a person?

And finally, can you possibly recommend a good and relatively neutral source explaining in further detail concerning the Great Leap Forward? I have read such contradictions from a variety of sources that I could hardly think in between.

Once again, thank you VERY much for your astounding patience. I know it must be boring to hear a teenager babble and I am VERY much beneath your level, but please try to reply to me a.s.a.p, it shall be done at great benefit to my research and also to my own health.

P.S. If at any point you believe I am badgering you into talking about Mao please tell me, and I shall not send a similar message to you again. I shall also correct my age problem also. L. --User:Luthinya 16:53 25 January 2006

Yes it has helped A LOT and once again I thank you for being so unbelievably patient with a girl. No again I do not hate Mao and never will. After reading the Lord of the Rings I learnt that hate is just too strong a word for me and I never really use it (except conversationally) -Pity(for want of a better word) and comprehension have been better companions.

No and neither do I classify people black- and- whitely, because as you said things and events are far too complicated to be this straightforward and there are usually many reasons on how things turned out as they are rather than the few obvious ones that everybody knew about. Take Hitler for instance- Do you know how terribly his father treated him at home which made him eventually resolve to run away? When you put all the details together it is really not surprising in many ways that he turned out the way he did! (Apart from genetic personality, choices and chances etc.)

And of course I will stay away from Chang and Halliday. My friend borrowed me one the other day and I returned it to her the next, saying that it is far to biased and one- dimensional to be a proper historical source. I think in that respect Dr. Li Zhisui has been the most helpful- he recognizes Mao's skills and yet also managed to criticize most of his ills correctly.

Mao is the singular most complicated figure I have ever studied. There are so many unknowns and every time you make a conclusion a source contradicts with another. As you said EXTREMELY well, it is the history of a people and it is completely impossible to monitor everyone's moves at that time, for just looking at the important ones will not reveal a full story. I will certainly check for some Chinese sources- yet I do not think that he will be cleared even after I have long gone from this world. --User:Luthinya 12:57 26 January 2006

Chinese authors on Project Gutenberg and Wikipedia

I'm looking for some help with improving the author headings for Chinese authors in the Project Gutenberg online catalog and strengthening links between Project Gutenberg and Wikipedia for those authors.

I've asked you (as well as a couple of others) based on what I've read on your user page.

If you are interested, I've put together further details and a list of names at User_talk:Andrew_Sly/Chinese_authors.

Thanks, Andrew Sly 00:42, 25 January 2006 (UTC)

Vacuum

Yep, that's me. {{User:Vacuum/sig}} 13:25, 28 January 2006 (UTC)

By the way, how did you find me on Wikipedia? You said my username once in passing but I never actually told you it. {{User:Vacuum/sig}} 02:39, 6 February 2006 (UTC)

Re:President of China

1) The list is based on "presumed political power" rather than the official PSC heirarchy. But then, the list is relying on official titles and excludes cases like Deng Xiaoping who held none of those positions, expcept Chairman of the CMC (which he gained a few years after gaining paramount status, and relinquished a few years before he disappeared from public view). I think the list needs improvement: it needs to specify when the various rankings took place and who these positions refer to. Type 5 is listed as "current", but rank 1 2 and 4 are held by the same person

2) I'm not aware of any such website. I tried looking once, but never found anything.--Jiang 06:54, 19 February 2006 (UTC)

This is the closest thing I can find from the official webportal: [1]. --Jiang 05:16, 21 February 2006 (UTC)

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History of the People's Republic of China

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IRP

Great job on your IRP! I found it quite thought-provoking, and I think I have come up with some explanations of some of the phenomena you observed. I think the reason for the 'kickstart' effect you observed in the East Asian dictatorships is because dictators tend to promote growth in the areas that are counted in metrics such as the GDP. What is not as obvious, however, is the unmeasured decline in areas that are not covered by the GDP (such as housework and labor paid in kind). Also, under a free market, people will stop working when the marginal utility of non-employment (the value of an additional hour of leisure) exceeds the marginal utility of working. But dictatorships can push people past this point through things like quotas. So, an increase in growth rate is observed, but the people are nevertheless worse off as a result.

I also think the reason for the slow-down you observed in India and other democracies is because there are really two types of democracies -- such as these, which I'll call group A:

(formerly) India, European Union (minus Britain)

and these, which I'll call group B:

America, Britain, Australia, Switzerland

I think the reason why B democracies are doing so much better than A democracies is that they're really 'autonomies' rather than democracies because far less is actually the subject of popular vote. So there are really three types of government. In B democracies, the prevailing attitude is "I get to do whatever I want with my piece of the pie, as long as I don't harm the person or pie piece of another." In A democracies, the prevailing attitude is "I nominally own my piece of the pie, but the majority often tells me what to do with it." B democracies succeed because it's easiest to grow your pie when (a) you control it and (b) you reap all of the rewards of growing it. It's thus easier to create economic growth in B democracies than dictatorships and due to the inefficiencies of bureaucracy it's easier to grow a dictatorship than an A democracy.

Of course, being the libertarian I am, I'm probably biased. But let me know what you think of this. Was it your explanation? Vacuum 01:52, 4 June 2006 (UTC)

Vacuum, I am not sure where you live but there has been an economic slowdown in the United States for nearly six years. Statistically, it is not indicated in traditional GDP numbers, but the acquisition of that information has been obselete for a number of years. But aside from the issue of what GDP can ascertain I find it hard to believe that you would suggest that the economy of the U.S. is doing better than India or Europe. Although, Europe is in an economic quagmire, so is the U.S. How you can suggest that electoral politics is at the root of economic success in the U.S. is beyond me, since the U.S. traditionally has lower participation rates than Europe. I imagine that if political choice would dominate the economic fortunes of the MDC's (First World) that your assessment would be correct. However, I don't think the U.S., as an example, has had a modicum of selection in some time. Economic influence stemming from political choice requires an offering that is not available in the United States. In fact, we probably have the lowest caliber of leadership variety and options, in our 230 year history. Stevenmitchell 04:03, 6 June 2006 (UTC)

Norm Coleman

Hi, I am sending this message to serious contributors who may be interested in articles related to U.S. politics. I believe I am receiving an unreasonable response-- and at times insulting and rude-- from the editors of Norm Coleman article, who refuse to remove a section that may offer some interesting trivia for Wikipeidia users, but is irrelevant to people interested in reading an encyclopedia article on a member of U.S. Senate. If you have time, please take a look at the article. Regards. 172 | Talk 03:15, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

Enjoy the summer

So, another year at WMCI draws to a close. Hope you had a great one. It's too bad I didn't see you much after 1st sem. I was thinking we could get together over the summer - maybe email me at <first name>.<last name>@gmail.com and we could figure something out. By the way, I was wondering what you thought about Taepodong-2. Should the US kill it on the launch pad or let NK slide? Vacuum 02:02, 24 June 2006 (UTC)

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Sociology Project News

Sociology Project • News • August 2006
The Sociology WikiProject has been re-activated and new developments are afoot! We are putting in place some tools for classifying, categorizing and assessing sociology-related content on Wikipedia. Please have a look at the Tools section on the project page. Also, the Sociology article has been identified by the Wikipedia:Version 1.0 Editorial Team as a Core Topic, one of the 150 most important articles for any encyclopedia to have. This article has been listed as a good article for meeting the criteria for this category of articles. We're going to be working to improve the article to Featured article status. Please place Wikipedia:WikiProject Sociology on your watchlist and Get involved!
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Hi, and welcome to the Countries WikiProject! As you may have guessed, we're a group of editors working to improve Wikipedia's coverage of counties.

There are a variety of interesting things to do within the project; you're free to participate however much—or little—you like:

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If you have any questions, please don't hesitate to ask another fellow member, and we'll be happy to help you. Again, welcome! We look forward to seeing you around! Shy1520 10:26, 22 August 2006 (UTC)