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Jesse B. Thomas

From Thomas' page:

"...where he continued to practice law and became the territorial deputy attorney general..."

-RWReagan (talk) 18:06, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

History of Indiana

		The Indiana Barnstar
		I was going to award you with an Indiana Barnstar for all your work on the History of Indiana article, but I see you already have one. At any rate, good work on the article, and congratulations on the GA review. That article came a long way in a short amount of time! Mingusboodle (talk) 11:57, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

Thanks Mingusboodle! I couldn't have done it without you! Your work on the readability and adding content has been fantastic! It has really turned out great. I am trying to find more information on the 70s until now for the Modern Indiana section and then I hope to get it approved for feature status! Charles Edward 12:10, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

Big Four Bridge

Myself, and to a lesser extent Jahnx, have been working on the article for the Big Four Bridge. I think its close to GA. Do you have any ideas on improving it?--Bedford 02:35, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

I made a few minor edits. I think it looks pretty good. Some pictures of the train wrecks on the bridge would be cool. I will look around for some and add them if I can find them this evening.) Charles Edward 18:19, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

Daniel Parker

This is the "Daniel Parker" article I deleted: "Daniel "Danny" James Parker was born in Casa Grande, Arizona, but moved to Santa Monica, California when he was just 2 years old. At the age 5, he began to sing in church. He sang so loud that his teacher told his parents that "someday Danny will be in show business!" The next year, he started taking dance lessons. By the time he was 8, He performed with Donny Osmond, in Joseph and the Amazing Technicolor Dreamcoat production. He was the youngest cast member of the show. After a 4-month run, it was over and he cried, because he had so much fun and he didn't want it to be over. Three years later, at age 11, He was chosen to perform at the famous Suzuka Race Curcuit in Nagoya, Japan. Danny sang and danced his way through all the excitement and thrills of speed racing. According to Danny "It was a blast!"

Starting off

At this time in his life, Danny wanted to seriously compete in ballroom dancing and wanted to become a national champion. (He had been taking dance lessons in ballroom since age 7). His parents arranged to bring world-class instructors to teach him and his partner to compete. He soon achieved success on the dance floor and started to win at various events around the country. All during his early years, he was able to do TV, media and model work for the following; Novell, USANA,Nordstrom and one where he went flying down the ski slopes when I was 7, for a volkswagon commercial! (he was also a member of the Sundance Ski Team for 5 years)

Other Information

Currently, Danny is working on new movies "Seventeen Again" and "Everwood" out sometime in the future. Also, Danny enjoys spending time with family and friends, going to the beach, chilling out and going to concerts. Also, he likes to go on his Myspace and Bebo pages when he can. Danny has one older sister and one younger brother."

Don't think it's the Daniel Parker you mean! --Orange Mike | Talk 20:30, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

Thanks

In case you were wondering, I stopped responding to that thread regarding "War of Northern Aggression" as I realized I'd just be feeding the trolls. Ivo has been very whiny in some of his posts since then, including a couple of curse-filled rants on totally unrelated talk pages. I've learned the hard way in the past that the best way to deal with an attention whore is to ignore them. Thanks for your comments on my talk page, although I was curious how you thought I was more sympathetic to the northern side; is it because I live in Indiana? Anyways, regards.--Bedford ^Pray 21:34, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

lol, you are welcome, I've read alot of your articles an I find no distinguishable bias in them myself. As far as your "northern persuasion", it was just in reading the slavery in indiana and indiana in the civil war. The tone, to me, seemed slightly northern biased, not enough to accuse one of anything, thats just how it read to me. I've read so many civil war books, certain phrases of things just strike me as "northern" "abolitionist" type propaganda. Not that there is anything wrong with that, as i personally would identify more with that position. Like for instance in the article slavery in indiana, it read to me, slightly, as an inditement of Indiana's lack of commitment to the northern cause. But that was propably more from the article being incomplete than any actual bias. Charles Edward 01:02, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

My old computer went kaput last week, but I still have the hard drive, which includes my entire paper of the Southerness of Indiana. If I ever figure out how to connect the old hard drive to my new computer, I may send you that paper, and see if you think any more of it could be added to Wikipedia.--Bedford ^Pray 01:06, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

thats not good. I noticed you were down for a period of time. BUt yea that would be cool! I still got all those notes and pics i took at the carnegie center i need to go through too. Charles Edward 01:19, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

Indianan

I can see I'm not going to win this one… Self-respecting residents from the state are the most frequent editors of the page, which precludes an outsider like me from meddling. However, I went ahead and edited the footnote that you added so that it refers to "nonresidents", and I removed the value judgment that such usage is incorrect. My state newspaper uses the term, ("…with the post-Indianan headline "Clinton's dream all but over."[1]), as do the national papers The Washington Post, ("Joe Andrew, an Indianan who served as Democratic Party chairman during the Clinton administration…"[2]), and The New York Times, (Bill Cook, an Indianan who owns a company that makes medical devices…"[3]}.
Cheers, Ulmanor (talk) 22:50, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

Reflecting on how annoying I, and those from my state, find it when outsiders pronounce Oregon "Are-uh-gone" (wrongly, notwithstanding the fact it's in the dictionary too [4]), I've had a complete change of heart. Who am I to dictate how Hoosiers would like themselves to be known? I've edited the footnote and welcome your input. I've said my piece and leave further decisions to others. Ulmanor (talk) 00:56, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

Hardy Lake

Any ideas on how to expand Hardy Lake a little more? It's not quite large enough for DYK.--Bedford ^Pray 23:57, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

I have added about 2k bytes. Not sure of anything else to add of the top of my head. I will look around a little more. Charles Edward 02:01, 31 May 2008 (UTC)

Don't worry, it's big enough to nom to DYK, and I made sure to credit you as well as myself. Thanks.--Bedford ^Pray 02:05, 31 May 2008 (UTC)

Thanks Bedford! Charles Edward 02:06, 31 May 2008 (UTC)

Napoleon

thanks, i've been here a while now and finally getting into it, Tom (talk) 20:42, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

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Review status

Thought I'd let you know that User:Madman2001 is currently reviewing Indiana in the ACW right now.--Bedford ^Pray 20:31, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

I will keep an eye on it and try to fix anything he comments on. Charles Edward 00:00, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

I went through his list as best I can for now.. My wife has been at me for two hours to come to bed.. lol Her french really starts to annoy me after awhile and she got finally "oui ma belle" out of me. When I start with the french too I know I am no longer thinking clearly! I will check it out again tommorrow. Charles Edward 02:17, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

Sounds like something else is doing the thinking.  ;) Good night.--Bedford ^Pray 02:20, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

Hardy Lake

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South & Indiana

I found my old documents. Look at User:Bedford/South&Indiana and see if thre is anything more we can mine for Wikipedia.--Bedford ^Pray 21:55, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

Thats a very interesting read! I am going to incorporate some of it some more of it into the article. Charles Edward 14:15, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

DYK

On 6 June, 2008, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Christopher Harrison, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

--Naerii - Talk 23:54, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

Napoleon

thanks Tom (talk) 15:01, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

2008 Indiana Flood

Hey, there was a source from USA Today from a flood story from back in January that you had used to build the article. I think I got all the info out cited to that story out of there, but can you give it a glance over again to make sure? I'll be editing it some more, so hopefully we can get all the information from the January flood out of there! Thanks!  :) -- Me^Holla! 20:01, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

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Benjamin Harrison

I'm quite nit picky about missing words and such, but hey, good grammar means good lovin'! I visit that page often actually, as well as the William Henry Harrison and Benjamin Harrison V pages because I usually have to look up info about the guys for whatever reason because I'm directly related to them through my Paw Paw [that's Cajun for "Grandpa" if you didn't know. :P] I don't want to take up any more space with irrelevant information about myself though. Thanks for the welcome message. --Katherine Johnson, The Awesome. (talk) 18:28, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

History of Davenport, Iowa

I just saw your review for the GAC of this article. I'll start editing tomorrow (Monday) and should only take a day or two for me to fix those issues that need fixing. I'll get back to you when it is done! Ctjf83Talk 00:41, 16 June 2008 (UTC)

Ok, I did most of what you said to fix, just need to do a bit more on number 11. All I've been able to find was an established date, I guess that is the same as incorporated? Also, are you serious about needing page numbers for the book with most of the references?! That is gonna be a lot of work! Is that a requirement for GA or just a suggestion from you? Ctjf83Talk 16:10, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

Ok, the book isn't check out able, unless they have one that can be, so if it isn't, it will be a while probably before I can get all the page numbers. I'll keep you updated! Ctjf83Talk 17:36, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

No, in the case, I'll have it done by Friday, if that is the 7 day deadline. Ctjf83Talk 20:21, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

Ok, I do have the book so I can get specific page numbers, do i just put <ref>the authors last name, the page number?</ref> I will get it done sometime on Friday, so don't fail it yet! Ctjf83Talk 16:50, 20 June 2008 (UTC)

 Done let me know! Ctjf83Talk 04:35, 21 June 2008 (UTC)

Thank you for the pass! Ctjf83Talk 17:18, 21 June 2008 (UTC)

Indiana General Assembly GA review

Hello Cool10191 - I gather you've already noticed, but I wanted to make sure you were aware that I've reviewed the above article and placed it on hold for a week. Cheers, Sarcasticidealist (talk) 03:11, 18 June 2008 (UTC)

Beck's Mill

I thought you might like to see Beck's Mill. It failed a GA nomination, but I've recently acquired some more info, and put it in this weekend. But I thought you mioght want to look at it first.--Bedford ^Pray 03:11, 21 June 2008 (UTC)

I look it over and did a few edits. I think it is a pretty good article. Only thing I would worry about that they may not consider millers of washington county as a reliable source, and it seems that is where alot of the info comes from. I went through and put refs on everything too. I also removed a couple because the links were dead. Charles Edward 15:02, 21 June 2008 (UTC)

Polly v. Lasselle

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VACATION

FYI! I'm going on vacation! Well, I am going home. Hahaha, family reunion the whole family will be there except for one auntie. Ah yes, I am returning the paradise that is Her Majesty's Dominion of Canada - God save the Queen, cause no one else can. (Speaking of which I was on YouTube yesterday and OH MY FREAKING GOODNESS! The Buckingham Palace Guard was playing the Imperial March, and kid you not, out steps - you guessed it - Charles, Prince of Wales, with a devious grin on his face! HAHAHAHAH God save the queen indeed) And on a more sour note I will also be visiting my very French in-laws. My wife has been there for two weeks now and I am going to drag her home.. It normally take at least a week to convince her to return to the use of English, but with a little luck maybe I can cut that down to five days this time... God forbid she should force me to begin using that .... language... eh.. I digress.. I am leaving Friday, the 11th, will be gone two weeks. Will check in periodiclly, I think everything i am doing is pretty well caught up, haven't submitted any GAs the last couple weeks.. SO will do the ones I been working on when I get back. Charles Edward 01:08, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

Welp, I'm about to be off.. I do have one a GA review pending for Benjamin Harrison, it's been there a fews weeks now, backlog and such. If, peradventure, someone should begin the review while I am away please, please, PLEASE put it on hold until I get back - I will definantly work to address any concerns in a prompt manner at that time. GA review wait time is so long, I'd hate to wait another month for a little tittle out of place. Charles Edward 03:19, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

I'll keep an eye on it; it's the least I could do.--Bedford ^Pray 07:19, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

I'm back!!! Wow that was fun! Back to work though now. Thank Bedford! Looks like it got a quick fail though, oh well - I will do some more work and try again. Charles Edward 01:31, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

DYK:Bank of Indiana

Hi. I've nominated Bank of Indiana, an article you worked on, for consideration to appear on the Main Page as part of Wikipedia:Did you know. You can see the hook for the article at Template talk:Did you know#Articles created/expanded on July 3, where you can improve it if you see fit. Thanks, PFHLai (talk) 00:00, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

Ok! Cool. I got to looking.. at it was actually four presidents, not three. And thats the record! I have updated the DYK to say four, and the article. Charles Edward 00:26, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

Indiana Canal Company

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The Barnstar of Diligence

		The Barnstar of Diligence
		For helping out with those accuracy improvements to South Bend Watch Company, a task that I was too lazy busy to do, I award you the Barnstar of Diligence! Keep up the great work, my expatriate Canadian friend. –xenocidic (talk) 14:07, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

• P.S., she left another message at my talk page here, but I believe your change has already allayed her concern. I directed her to your talk page, or the article talk page, should she have any other concerns. –xenocidic (talk) 14:08, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

Thank you! Charles Edward 14:25, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

July 10 DYK

On 10 July, 2008, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Bank of Indiana, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

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Napoleon talk

thanks for archiving. it's meant to autoarchive i think but it doesn't seem to be doing it and i looked into archiving it myself though the archive structure seemed a little more complicated than normal. having looked at your 2 edits it doesn't look as though it was really that complicated! Tom (talk) 10:21, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

thanks i'm thinking of getting it to FA next, Tom (talk) 12:35, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

Corydon pictures

I'm having the Military History WikiProject give an A-class review of Indiana in the American Civil War, at Wikipedia:WikiProject Military history/Assessment/Indiana in the American Civil War. I'll mend what they suggest, but I though you should know in case you check in. Happy vacation.--Bedford ^Pray 00:44, 13 July 2008 (UTC)

Corydon images

Could you mark all your pictures from Corydon as [[Category:Images of Corydon, Indiana]], so we can keep track of them.. Thanks. Also, adding WikiProjects are for talk pages, including Image Talk pages; not the regular page for an Image.--Bedford ^Pray 22:12, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

Ok Thanks. Will do. Charles Edward 22:16, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

Christopher Harrison

I found another source for information about Harrison while doing another artile. There was quite a bit about him, so you might want to check it out. It's in the new edit I made.--Bedford ^Pray 01:33, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

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Rob Carmack

The guy who changed the date format twice on the Indiana article - he emailed me saying he thought he was following guidelines. Which made him sound like an experienced editor. But he's only made 3 edits, 2 on the Indiana article, one on an article on Chinese culture, all changing from CE to AD. Odd eh? Doug Weller (talk) 21:07, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

He must have a reason.. Maybe he will just tell us? Charles Edward 02:30, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

When I reverted him, he emailed me nicely saying he thought he'd followed the guidelines. I replied, no response. I hope he does answer. Doug Weller (talk) 04:16, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

Charles, I emailed Doug and let him know about a personal reason why I thought we should revert the article to the BC/AD format. I will explain it here briefly. Please note this is not the only reason I feel we should use the standard date format rather than the newer format, just one that has affected my family personally.

My son did a research paper on the history of Indiana for school. He used multiple sources, but his main focus was this Wikipedia article. He look up the sources cited on this article, and went to the library and checked out a few books that were used here. He used both the article, books, and other sources. His paper was all over the place when it came to date formats. Sometimes he used BC sometimes he used BCE. He lost a few points for this. Though he didn’t fail , his point to me was that in the book, the author used BC but in the source cited, it used BCE. Now I have never edited Wikipedia before, but back in March, I thought I was correcting a mistake, and changed the article to BC/AD. It stayed that way until recently. In my humble opinion, I think it would be proper to stick with BC/AD, and since the format is only in a few places, I don’t think it would be a problem of consistency to do so. Thank you --Rob carmack (talk) 19:01, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

The sources cited in the book do indeed use both methods, as you said. For instance, Empires at War and Indiana and Indianan's used AD\BC, but A Colonial History of Vincennes and Indian Heritage of America use CE\BCE. It's really just a matter of using using one or the other since the meaning is exactly the same thing. CE\BCE has been the dominant form used scholarly works since Will Durant made it popular in the 1940-60s, but it has been in use since the 1600s. It is not necessarily secular either, it originally meant Before Christian Era and Christian Era. It's just a matter of choosing one and sticking with it.

I honestly do not care, swear on it, what system is used, but whatever it is needs to be consistant within the article and cannot be changed regularly especially in an edit war. On wikipedia the goal is to get an article up a rating scale, with Feature Article, or FA, being the highest ranking, meaning it can be featured on the main page. One of the requirements to get that rating is that there can be no ongoing or recent disputes or edit wars that affect the stability of the article. So presently, and sadly, this article is ineligible for that rating, which is the only level above it's current rating. So if you understand, all I am concerned about is keeping the article from having an edit war so I move forward with getting to FA status. If you wish to work with dougweller or the other editors who do care what system is used I would suggest going to the Wikipedia:Mediation Cabal and requesting a mediator to help you with the case, from there they could guide you as to what would be best to do in this situation. Because of the edit war I requested the page be semiprotected to prevent the edit war from continuing in which a kind administrator has obliged. I hope this helps :) Charles Edward 20:43, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

Thomas Hines

Remember Thomas Hines, who we talked about on the Indiana in the American Civil War article? I did a major expansion of him, and welcomed any advice you might have for it, before it gets peer reviewed by the MILHIST guys. Thanks.--King Bedford I ^{Seek his grace} 02:24, 2 August 2008 (UTC)

Bedford. I'd be glad to! First thing in the morning. lol (yawn) Charles Edward 02:41, 2 August 2008 (UTC)

Sleep well. Personally, I'm an insomniac. *chuckle* --King Bedford I ^{Seek his grace} 02:54, 2 August 2008 (UTC)

I did a bit of a copy edit on it and a bit of formatting. Feel free to undo anything I did! One thing you might add is, it says the Masonic University had struggles after Hines left and eventually closed, you might add why - ran out of money? lost all the teachers? that would be interesting to know. Overall I think it is really great. Probably good enough for a GA. Charles Edward 15:28, 2 August 2008 (UTC)

I've been intending to write the Masonic University article for a while now; probably do it today or tomorrow.--King Bedford I ^{Seek his grace} 16:55, 2 August 2008 (UTC)

Re. your message

My main problem is that the author has been linking / spamming to his sites (often using sock puppets), which are funded by DISCUS. See Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Spam#About 400 links to the two sites of one individual. Therefore, he is basically a lobbyist with a vested interest in raising the profile of his site. Some of the pages are very sensible: others are very selective in their use of facts. The page you mentioned is quite a good example: about some groups it is matter of fact; about others, it is partisan and vitriolic. In short, I wouldn't regard it as at all reliable; I would look to primary sources in preference. Nunquam Dormio (talk) 23:01, 2 August 2008 (UTC)

Copyeditor's Barnstar

		The Copyeditor's Barnstar
		For copyeditting again and again until you get it right, and in the process making several articles GA's, most recently Benjamin Harrison, I present unto you the Copyeditor's Barnstar. King Bedford I Seek his grace 22:43, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

Thanks Bedford! I try to read each of my articles every so often correct anything I see wrong. I'm currently working toward getting half of the WPIN Top importance articles to GA status. I've got five there so far - just need six more. Charles Edward 01:07, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

DYK

If you would like to discuss the ins and outs of the DYK, you can feel free to contact me. I just wanted to say that there were BLP concerns that dealt with the ethical side of being an encyclopedia, especially with the prominent use of outdated terms that have weight issues based on their usage on the main page. Also, I think it is a little unfair to suggest that consensus was being overriden, as admins decide which DYK go on and when, and there was a DYK of the article there, which the nominator has no right to decide (as alt noms are chosen often or put up by others). If you disagree, please feel free. If you have any questions for me, please ask. Ottava Rima (talk) 01:10, 10 August 2008 (UTC)

Thanks, I total understand and agree with you. I can compelety understand why this initial mistake and removal could have been made. My concern is more along the lines of the similarity with the last incident. A single editor removed a hook, without even commenting to DYK first, or reviewing the comments on the hook. I am most concerned that one or two administrators can trump the consensus of an entire community. Charles Edward 01:15, 10 August 2008 (UTC)

Thank you for understanding where I am coming from. I understand what happened before, and the sensitivity. However, no one was deprived of their ability to work on DYK (or, to the same regards as they did before). I was hoping that this wouldn't turn into an anti-DYK thread, and I'm still crossing my fingers on that. Now, the hook was removed because of the talk page on the main page (from what I can tell). It began here. It appears that an IP saw it and recommended another. From what I know of DYK, people recommend alt noms (I recommended some for my own, and others have suggested some themselves), so it seems that there could be a precedence for choosing one over another. Not to speak for Ryan, but it seems that he saw the IP and MZMcBride's comments and figured that there was enough to justify a quick swap for something that was interesting but couldn't be that controversial. It was a quick decision, and Ryan has said that he would not revert anyone who changed it back. Does that make sense? I can't speak for Ryan, but I hope it helps explain the situation (I was curious about it at first too). If you have any questions or concerns, feel free to contact me. :) Ottava Rima (talk) 01:25, 10 August 2008 (UTC)

History of Indiana

Hi. I took a quick look for you. It's certainly a good start.

FAC is hard work and the article is not yet ready. You can read my handy guide to getting an article through the wringer at User:Dweller/Dweller, on Featured Article Candidates. I'll particularly point out that you need to have much denser referencing than currently - there are whole chunks of material in the article without a single reference and that's a no-no.

A Peer Review is an excellent idea, but if I were you, I'd wait until you've got half way down the steps listed in my essay.

Good luck! --Dweller (talk) 10:55, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

GA Review of Flag of Indiana

I have completed the GA review of Flag of Indiana, which can be found at Talk:Flag of Indiana/GA1. I have put the article on hold for seven days in order to allow you time to deal with a couple of minor issues I have raised in the review. If you have questions, you can ask them on the review page (I have it watchlisted) or on my talk page. Thank you. Dana boomer (talk) 18:23, 17 August 2008 (UTC)

Re: Wyandot in Southern Indiana

It's possible the Wyandot were there at some point; I've never looked into it. If I find anything, I'll let you know. Is this for History of Indiana? Mingusboodle (talk) 16:16, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

This is the only reference I've been able to find, so far, that suggests the Wyandott were in Southern Indiana. Wyandotte Cave, from what I understand, was so-named because the Blue River in Harrison County was once known as the Wyandotte River. Just based on what I'm finding, I doubt the Wyandott had any permanent settlements in the area. Perhaps they just came to trade? I'll keep looking and let you know if I find anything. Mingusboodle (talk) 16:41, 30 August 2008 (UTC)

"Historic records also document Shawnee, Delaware, Piankashaw, Kickapoo, and Wyandotte, as well as other groups that were in Indiana only briefly before moving further west. Many scholars think at least some of the villages attributed to the Fort Ancient tradition in southern Ohio can be linked to the Shawnee. We are not so sure about Oliver and Fort Ancient in Indiana, as the sites may represent occupations by more than a single ethnic group. The Delaware and Wyandotte were displaced from original homelands to the north and east and settled, at least for a short time, between the White and Ohio Rivers in southern Indiana." ref Justice, pg 80-81 /ref

Justice, Noel D. Looking at Prehistory: Indiana's Hoosier National Forest Region, 12,000 B.C. to 1650 United States Department of Agriculture, Forest Service. Published November 2006, Government Printing Office.

Mingusboodle (talk) 02:28, 31 August 2008 (UTC)

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Wyandot

The Wyandot roamed over Indiana for an unknown number of years where they had scattered small camps at various locations. Wyandot Town was located in Tippecanoe County.

Famous Chief

Chief Burlington, he lived in western Indians[sic] for a number of years. The village of Burlington in Carroll County is named for him.

Other Indian tribes that utilized Indiana as a hunting ground or crossed over or into it to make war include the Winnebago, Menominee, Illinois Confederation, Peoria, Cherokee, Iroquois Confederation, Mohawk, Ojibwa, Choctaw, Sioux, Sac, Fox, and possibly other tribes not recorded historically. It is indeed quite evident why Indiana is known as "The Land of the Indians."

• Allison, Harold (©1986, Harold Allison). The Tragic Saga of the Indiana Indians. Turner Publishing Company, Paducah. pp. pg 301. ISBN 0-9380-2107-9. {{cite book}}: |pages= has extra text (help); |work= ignored (help); Check date values in: |year= (help)

Re: Eric Schansberg

Thanks for the help! Mosquitobite (talk) 17:53, 29 August 2008 (UTC)Mosquitobite (Martina)

Buffalo Trace (road)

I've been fooling with Buffalo Trace (road) this evening; feel free to tinker with it. Not sure what I want to use for its DYK yet.--King Bedford I ^{Seek his grace} 02:37, 2 September 2008 (UTC)

Nice pictures, but could you be more descriptive where you took the pictures, so that if someone wants to go back and say what lat. and long. they were, they can.--King Bedford I ^{Seek his grace} 23:57, 2 September 2008 (UTC)

No problem. I will add the comments on the commons, and a small note in the caption. Charles Edward 23:59, 2 September 2008 (UTC)

Indiana map

Do you have a generic b/w map of Indiana, with or without county lines? My thought is that if we had a decent, generic map, we could mark the general location of items/events described in various articles, and that might help raise the quality reviews that we get. Mingusboodle (talk) 03:47, 7 September 2008 (UTC)

I just uploaded this image to the commons. I made it by photoshopping an existing state map. It would be pretty easy to use paint or whatever to type or add dots to the map. That would definatly be useful for locations of battles and such. I think I will make one for List of Battles in Indiana Charles Edward 04:00, 7 September 2008 (UTC)

Cool, I'll make use of that image. Thanks. Speaking of List of Battles in Indiana, I'm currently working my way through a book called The Tragic Saga of the Indiana Indians by Harold Allison (you'll notice this book showing up in some of the Indiana articles), and on page 324, there's a map titled "Major Indian-White Battles and Encounters". It has 41 battles listed on it, and these are the major skirmishes, not the Indian-kills-a-farmer stuff. I'll send you the whole list if you want it. Mingusboodle (talk) 01:22, 8 September 2008 (UTC)

Yeah that would be great! Charles Edward 01:25, 8 September 2008 (UTC)

See Talk:List of battles fought in IndianaMingusboodle (talk) 02:26, 8 September 2008 (UTC)

Here's my first attempt. I don't have photoshop, just MS Paint. Mingusboodle (talk) 02:09, 8 September 2008 (UTC)

That pretty good, you could probably make the font a bit bigger, it would be easier to read as a thumb, or enlarge the image by add the "|250px|" settings to the image caption. Charles Edward 02:13, 8 September 2008 (UTC)

Check out the map on Fort Wayne (Detroit). Maybe this is what we should be working towards. I'm not quite sure how it works, yet.Mingusboodle (talk) 19:31, 8 September 2008 (UTC)

I am not certain, but I think that Omnedon may be the mastermind behind alot of those type maps. He is around here quite regularly, and might be able to give pointers. Charles Edward 21:30, 8 September 2008 (UTC)

Indiana removals in Indiana

I was checking out new pages and noticed that you created Indiana removals in Indiana (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views). Did you really mean for this to be named Indian removals in Indiana? I think this is what you meant, since the people being removed were Indians, but I didn't want to move this page without asking first, just in case I'm reading it wrong. I just thought I'd bring this to your attention. --Elkman ^(Elkspeak) 04:31, 8 September 2008 (UTC)

HAHAAH! you are correct. I will move it. Wheres my dunce cap at.... I think I need to put it on. Charles Edward 12:13, 8 September 2008 (UTC)

Picture trip

I'll be making a few trips in the next week or two. Let me know if there's anything I can take for you.

9/11 Owensboro, Kentucky (maybe) 9/14 Friendship, Indiana 9/19 Bardstown, KY 9/20 Beck's Mill

I have your talk page on my watchlist, so just post here.--King Bedford I ^{Seek his grace} 04:35, 10 September 2008 (UTC)

I cannot think of anything at the moment. But I will let you know if do! Thanks Charles Edward 14:14, 10 September 2008 (UTC)

GA Nomination

Hey, I finished reviewing the article, George_Rogers_Clark. It is currently on hold. If you'd like, please head on over and you can begin addressing any improvements needed over the next week. You can also feel free to discuss them with me over on the article's talk page. --Banime (talk) 18:31, 12 September 2008 (UTC)

I looked through your updates and made a few further suggestions. Please take a look when you have the chance. Good work so far! --Banime (talk) 14:45, 13 September 2008 (UTC)

Hey, I promoted the article after all of your updates and improvements. Good work on the article! I listed it under Military People in the History subsection of Good articles, as I felt that category fit the best. Thanks for your cooperation and continue to improve that article. Also if you can, check out other articles to review over at GA Nominations. --Banime (talk) 16:55, 13 September 2008 (UTC)

Congratulations, Charles! It took a lot of work to upgrade that article to this point, and considering the subject, it really needed to be done. Thanks for all your help, Banime.Mingusboodle (talk) 17:04, 13 September 2008 (UTC)

Thanks Mingusboodle! I know it has been needing it too! It is part of my goal of getting half of the top importance Indiana article to GA quality. I am almost there, only two more to go. Indiana Statehouse is next, then probably Indiana Supreme Court. Charles Edward 20:55, 13 September 2008 (UTC)

DYK nom for Indian removal in Indiana

I nominated Indian removals in Indiana; check the DYK page to see if anyone says yay or nay.--King Bedford I ^{Seek his grace} 09:09, 13 September 2008 (UTC)

Thanks Bedford.. I was going to. But I couldn't think of anything pithy to say. That's just not my forte i guess! lol Charles Edward 20:56, 13 September 2008 (UTC)

On 14 September, 2008, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Indian removals in Indiana, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

Well done! On the Main Page now. Thanks, Hassocks5489 (tickets please!) 17:15, 14 September 2008 (UTC)

What happened to me

My Power May or May not be back on in the near future. Unil such a time my editing will be limited. How can you get a hurricane in Indiana? OMG! And freaking wal-mart is out of laterns.. All I can find is this Kiddie Adventure Latern, and it blinks and crap.. OMG! This is the end of civilization!!'—Preceding unsigned comment added by Charles Edward (talk • contribs)

I was lucky; I was one of the few in Jeff whose powere stayed on. I'll be wishing you luck.--King Bedford I ^{Seek his grace} 14:37, 16 September 2008 (UTC)

I have escaped with my laptop at the moment. Thought I would check in. Hopefully it is back up soon. A world without electricity.. This is bedlam. Charles Edward 14:57, 16 September 2008 (UTC)

My power is back, 48 hours later! Thank goodness! Charles Edward 21:13, 16 September 2008 (UTC)

County government in Indiana

Greetings! I see that you have added a section to each Indiana county article that describes county government. The text seems to be copied directly from the county government section of the Indiana government article; as such, I wonder if a link directly to Government_of_Indiana#County_Government would serve better than a duplication of that text on each individual article. There would be several advantages to that approach, including ease of maintenance and reduced redundancy. Any thoughts? Omnedon (talk) 13:37, 18 September 2008 (UTC)

The text is a near copy of that section, but not identical. That section describes differences in the county governments, while the sections I have added are even more generic, containing only information that true for each county (except marion). (I also wrote most of the Government of Indiana article) My hope is that starting the government section will serve as the start of a larger section, including elected representatives. I intend to also add what congressional districts counties belong to, I have already done the 9th district. I also hope to be able find more determinate information on the exact number of commissioners and council members in each county, as that does vary. I have also located a directory of all the county government websites, and hope to be able to glean some information from each of them. [5]. Do you think that would be worthwhile? And I admit I am in the middle of a dozen other things, so I will be somewhat slow in getting all that information added. And that is just my first step, I had started a discussion at Wiki Project Indiana, but hadn't got any feedback so I went ahead and started. So I am completely open to suggestions! And with all your outstanding work on these types of articles, I certain value your opinion. Charles Edward 15:06, 18 September 2008 (UTC)

GA Nom

Hey, I'll be reviewing your nominated article Jonathan Jennings. Also, I just saw earlier on your talk page that I already reviewed another one of your articles a few weeks ago, small world huh? If you have any questions throughout the process please contact me. --Banime (talk) 14:44, 28 September 2008 (UTC)

I've reviewed the article and it is currently on hold. Please check out my concerns and help improve them. Thanks! --Banime (talk) 20:53, 28 September 2008 (UTC)

I've read through all of your improvements and they've been great. I have one final thing for you which I posted on the review page. Thanks for the swift response to my review. --Banime (talk) 18:12, 29 September 2008 (UTC)

Congratulations on the good article, I passed it. Your improvements were swift and great as always. Good luck on future projects. --Banime (talk) 18:37, 29 September 2008 (UTC)

On a related note, I had my Chinese and took five pictures of Jennings grave. Look at them and choose what you want.--King Bedford I ^{Seek his grace} 01:37, 1 October 2008 (UTC)

Great! Where can I look at them at? They have good Chinese there by the Kohls. I have been there a few times myself. Yum! Charles Edward 01:48, 1 October 2008 (UTC)

Do you mean Jeff/ There is no Kohls in Charlestown. Anyways, check Special:Contributions/Bedford and look at the pictures I just uploaded.--King Bedford I ^{Seek his grace} 01:55, 1 October 2008 (UTC)

Ah yes, I am thinking Charlestown Rd, in New Albany. lol. Thanks! Charles Edward 02:18, 1 October 2008 (UTC)

Great, those were the main weaknesses of the article in reaching a higher status. Also, I saw you recently got another GA promoted Charles Edward, how many is that now? Good job. --Banime (talk) 19:11, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

Either 11 or 12. I have not really been counting. lol. I guess I should! Thanks!Charles Edward 21:05, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

Any ideas?

I decided to write my first brand new article in over a month, the Alabama Confederate Soldiers Home. However, I haven't been able to decide on a DYK hook for it. Any ideas?--Gen. Bedford ^{his Forest} 05:49, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

Hi Beford! I am not too good at that myself. But what about - that the Alabama Confederate Soldiers Home was the only official home in Alabama offering charity to Confederate veterans of the civil war? Charles Edward 12:57, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

DYK for Indiana Klan

On 14 October, 2008, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Indiana Klan, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

BorgQueen (talk) 06:44, 14 October 2008 (UTC)

Thanks

Thanks for your barnstar! --Banime (talk) 12:09, 14 October 2008 (UTC)

Your welcome! You earned it! Charles Edward 12:12, 14 October 2008 (UTC)

Good luck on your FAC going on now as well. --Banime (talk) 15:46, 14 October 2008 (UTC)

Thanks! I have spent alot of time on that article. I am really hoping I can get it FA!. I have my fingers crossed. Charles Edward

Yeah, I haven't spent too much time at FA yet but I'm going to take a look at it and see if I have any comments for you. And I know what you mean, I'm still trying to get this one article to A-Class in a project and it takes forever and is hard work. --Banime (talk) 15:52, 14 October 2008 (UTC)

That would be much appreciated! Charles Edward 15:57, 14 October 2008 (UTC)

For now I made two really quick concerns and edited some small grammar things I saw. Once I read more about the FAC process and FA criteria I'll try to give it another go! --Banime (talk) 16:10, 14 October 2008 (UTC)

FAC for Indiana in the ACW

I just nominated the Indiana in the ACW article. You may want to watch Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Indiana in the American Civil War. I feel good about its chances.--Gen. Bedford ^{his Forest} 02:19, 15 October 2008 (UTC)

Will do! It should not be too far off at least. There is one thing I have meaning to add to it for awhile. The incident when Morton went to the Galt House and had a big fight with the Union army leader there about the treatment of Indiana soldiers, and it ended in a scuffle, and someone pulled a gun. I forget if someone got shot, or almost shot - but something like that happened. I have that in a source somewhere, Probably Foote. I will get that added. I will also go over it with a good copy edit (or at least as good as it gets with me). Thanks Bedford! Charles Edward 12:14, 15 October 2008 (UTC)

I see alot of comments already. I am not home right now, and cut off from my sources. So it will be this evening before I would be able to respond to alot of the comments. Charles Edward 13:47, 15 October 2008 (UTC)

I cannot find this story about Morton anywhere.. I swear it was in Foote - only three thousand pages to skim for it.. HAHA! . If I ever find it I will add it. Charles Edward 23:04, 15 October 2008 (UTC)

RfA reasons

Hey, in RfAs you should probably put your reasons for opposing (and supporting too, but opposes usually require it even more). At the very least it gives something that the admin can work on regardless of if it passes or fails. --Banime (talk) 20:10, 15 October 2008 (UTC)

I don't believe in commenting at RfAs. I believe that comments and questions are the source of all of RfAs problems, and should be banned. My reasons are usually rather arbitrary and I prefer not to debate. If the editors are interested in an explanation of my votes though, they are free to ask me! :) Charles Edward 21:42, 15 October 2008 (UTC)

I see, and agree on the principle. (I can see both sides though haha) --Banime (talk) 21:54, 15 October 2008 (UTC)

Yeah! Its kinda tough. RfA is undergoing a big re haul at the moment, you have probably seen. But I bet something good comes out of it. And there haven't been any big crazy things happening there lately. But sometimes.. wow! Charles Edward 21:57, 15 October 2008 (UTC)

How

I agree with you that Titanic should have its own task force. But how do I create one? Toonami Reactor (talk) 20:14, 16 October 2008 (UTC)

Start a discussion on the WikiProject Ships talk page. You can get better details here: [6]. Charles Edward 20:20, 16 October 2008 (UTC)

I propossed the idea on the WikiProjects Proposal Page. Now I'll take your advice and propose it on the WikiProjects Ship Page.Toonami Reactor (talk) 20:21, 16 October 2008 (UTC)

Did it

I did it. I created the Titanic taskforce project. Check it out. You might want to be a member. Wikipedia:WikiProject Ships/RMS Titanic TaskForce. Toonami Reactor (talk) 22:31, 16 October 2008 (UTC)

Good luck, but no thanks. I have my hands full with the projects I work with now! But you never know! Charles Edward 22:33, 16 October 2008 (UTC)

Indiana request

Sorry, I'm just too busy at the moment. Good luck with the article, though! Scartol • Tok 23:04, 16 October 2008 (UTC)

DYK for Indiana Mammoth Internal Improvement Act

On 18 October, 2008, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Indiana Mammoth Internal Improvement Act, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

-- How do you turn this on (talk) 00:25, 18 October 2008 (UTC)

A recent CFD

Hello! I see you recently speedily deleted a category:Wikipedian Libertarians, and in the summary for explanation you put that it was divisive. Could please expand on that thought, as perhaps there is a policy or guideline I am unaware of that would make such a category divisive. But I was more concerned, that perhaps you think Libertarianism is divisive, and that is reason you deleted the category - with which I must whole-heatedly disagree. It is entirely useful for libertarians to be able to find each other on Wikipedia for the improvement of libertarian related articles. In fact there is a project, Wikipedia:WikiProject Libertarianism, and such users are categorized there. Thanks you! :) Charles Edward 18:02, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

The deletion was merely for the reasons noted in the edit summaries.

And as a matter of fact, the T1 CSD criteria largely came about due to userboxes (and categories) related to personal opinion issues, such as religion and politics.

That aside, if your intent is to have a category for WikiProject collaboration, I might suggest adiing to a userbox regarding that WikiProject (such as User:UBX/Libertarianism - Which has been moved to Wikipedia:WikiProject Libertarianism/Userbox).

Something like the already existing: Category:WikiProject Libertarianism participants.

Also, a WikiProject shouldn't be in a mainspace category.

Anyway, I'll see if I can go through a help correct some of the miscategorisation for you. (Update: corrected - jc37 01:17, 20 October 2008 (UTC))

And thanks for the request for clarification. (I wish more Wikipedians responded to the unknown or unsure as positively as you have : ) - jc37 01:10, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

Thank you. That is an understandable explanation. I had not actually created the category page, but just the category links, as I am aware of some similar things in the past that have caused problems. I don't follow many of the debates that go on and I am usually not aware of most decision until well after they are enforced! I will take your advice and see if there is a better way to network among Libertarians within the confines of the project. Thanks again. Charles Edward 01:18, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

You're welcome.

Incidentally, I didn't do any searches, but it looks like the Wikiproject doesn't have it's assessement categories created, nor the assessment of related articles done. While I understand enthusiasm for other aspects of the project, tagging talk pages of articles, and finishing assessement is possibly the first thing that should be collaborated on.

I hope this helps : ) - jc37 01:28, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

Halloween DYK

DYK is doing a special Halloween theme this year. I thought you might like doing a Ghosts of Indiana article or something. (I'm planning on one for the War of Northern Aggression, and maybe the Revolution, so I'll be tied up).--Gen. Bedford ^{his Forest} 08:54, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

Thats a great idea! I can already think of a couple. I will try to find out some more, and put something together a few days before Halloween. Thanks Bedford! Charles Edward 11:15, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

Excellent. Anytime between now and the 26th. There's a special place at T:TDYK#Halloween DYKs just for those nom's.--Gen. Bedford ^{his Forest} 11:32, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

I started one here. I am gonna work on a bit more before I put it out into the main space. I don't want some crazy admin with a delete button getting ideas.. haha. Charles Edward 13:40, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

OK, I got it going. I titled it Ghost Legends of Indiana, since it more about legends than ghosts. There is several good stories in there with refs, I am going to continue working on it, but if you can get something out of, please do! I think Diana of the Dunes is the most interesting. Charles Edward 18:39, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

Map snafu

Your new map has a problem. It is Thomas Hines, not Hine, so the apostrophe should come after the s, not before.--Gen. Bedford ^{his Forest} 21:23, 22 October 2008 (UTC)

Also, Newburgh ends in a H. Note the spelling--Gen. Bedford ^{his Forest} 21:27, 22 October 2008 (UTC)

Correcting that now. Charles Edward 21:28, 22 October 2008 (UTC)

Done Charles Edward 21:29, 22 October 2008 (UTC)

DYK for Indiana Gas Boom

On 23 October, 2008, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Indiana Gas Boom, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

Allen3 ^talk 11:57, 23 October 2008 (UTC)

Nice job on the gas boom article, CE. Mingusboodle (talk) 16:59, 23 October 2008 (UTC)

Thanks! I didn't think it would turn out to be such an interesting article. But the more I read about it, the more interesting it became! And to think we are sitting on .9 billion barrels of oil with no good way to get it out! How frustrating. Charles Edward 17:59, 23 October 2008 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/History of Indiana revisit?

Hi, is the above FAC ready for a revisit by me for a prose check? Dabomb87 (talk) 22:40, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

Are you sure Heather Kuzmich is Jewish?

when I looked on the page about Heather Kuzmich, there was some reference of here being Jewish, when i searched on google, there was no evidence to prove that she was jewish, Is this vandalism? if not leave me a message about how you knew that Heather Kuzmich is jewish Thank You (La convivencia (talk) 21:19, 29 October 2008 (UTC))

DYK for Ghost Legends of Indiana

On 1 November, 2008, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Ghost Legends of Indiana, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 02:16, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

Rollback granted

Hello Charles Edward,

After reviewing your request on WP:RFPERM, I have enabled rollback on your account. Keep in mind these things when going to use rollback:

• Getting rollback is no more momentous than installing Twinkle.
• Rollback can be used to revert vandalism only, and not good faith edits.
• Rollback may be removed at any time.

If you no longer want rollback, then contact me and I'll remove it. Also, for some information on how to use rollback, you can view this page. I'm sure you'll do great with rollback, just leave me a message on my talk page if you run into troubles or have any questions about appropriate/inappropriate use of rollback. Happy editing! J.delanoy^gabs_adds 20:04, 10 November 2008 (UTC)

French and Iroquois Wars & Old Jeffersonville Historic District

I went ahead an gave French and Iroquois Wars a weak B; you could use some more paragraph ending cites. Do you think you could go over to Talk:Old Jeffersonville Historic District and see if you can work any magic in getting this into a GA?--Gen. Bedford ^{his Forest} 21:48, 19 November 2008 (UTC)

I'd be glad to! And I am hunting for another good source for the article to close up those gaps. Thanks Bedford! Charles Edward (Talk) 21:54, 19 November 2008 (UTC)

Been awhile since I've stopped by here, when that article is good enough for a GA let me know and I can review it (I haven't been too focused on GAs lately). I should have time in a few weeks so that should give you time to improve it if you want. Good luck and see you around. --Banime (talk) 01:21, 21 November 2008 (UTC)

DYK nomination

Hi. I've nominated La Salle Expeditions, an article you worked on, for consideration to appear on the Main Page as part of Wikipedia:Did you know. You can see the hook for the article at Template talk:Did you know#Articles created/expanded on November 19, where you can improve it if you see fit. Thanks --Bruce1ee^talk 08:59, 21 November 2008 (UTC)

Thank you! I am not too good at picking out hooks.. So I normally don't. Thanks though! Charles Edward (Talk) 13:31, 21 November 2008 (UTC)

DYK for La Salle Expeditions

On 23 November, 2008, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article La Salle Expeditions, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

BorgQueen (talk) 07:00, 23 November 2008 (UTC)

Congratulations! --Bruce1ee^talk 07:08, 23 November 2008 (UTC)

Indiana State Auditor

Hey there, I happened to stumble upon this while working on another article. Thought you might find it helpful! By the way, I don't know if you know something I don't but the dates on the Indiana State Auditor page are incorrect according to the article I linked above. Have a good one, HoosierState^Talk 16:45, 29 November 2008 (UTC)

Sorry about the revert on Political party strength in Indiana, it moved a ton of columns out of place. Its just easier to go one by one and make sure everything is in place. I plan to add them all eventually. Sorry again. HoosierState^Talk 16:51, 29 November 2008 (UTC)

That is perfectly Ok! Thanks for the source. Comparing it to my source I can only find two dates incorrectt (the last two terms on the list). Was there more besides that you saw was wrong? I was getting it out of a book I have which was wrote in 1969, so all the dates on the lists ended there. There is an appendix added in 1983 with more. There is a little missing info there, and it looks like I miscalculated on the ending dates of the last two terms. Thanks I will correct it. Charles Edward (Talk) 16:58, 29 November 2008 (UTC)

Actually upon a closer look, it appears my books source is off a year starting in 1969. Thats odd. Thanks again! Charles Edward (Talk) 16:59, 29 November 2008 (UTC)

Indiana State Treasurer

Hello again Charles! Well once again I've found a list only this time for State Treasurer. And again your new table differs greatly from the source. I don't know if its a typing error or what but I'll let you look over it and make any corrections. HoosierState^Talk 05:36, 3 December 2008 (UTC)

Hi Hoosier! Thanks for the link. Checking it against what is in the article, the differences I pick out is the ending date of the last term in the article and also a few of the hometowns. I double checked the book I have, and the hometowns in the article now are correct to what is in my source. The last term ended in 1983 because that was the last revision of my book. I am not sure what to do about the hometowns. My source does not have footnotes, so I am unsure where the author's primary source would be. I would guess though that the state library would have been the primary source. Which is your link - so i would say we should use that. What do you think? Charles Edward (Talk) 21:04, 3 December 2008 (UTC)

I've gotten several lists that are just like this one for governor, etc. and they're correct so I think it's safe to use the link. The thing that struck me though was that there is no Julian Ridlen or John Ruby in the link I gave you. How could your book and this link be so different? HoosierState^Talk 23:25, 3 December 2008 (UTC)

I am not sure, I am wondering if the appendix in my book is very incorrect. That is where the problems where in the auditors too. I am going to just stop using that part of the book. The appendix contains the info from 1969-1983. I will get the article fixed up with the info on your link. Thanks again! Charles Edward (Talk) 23:35, 3 December 2008 (UTC)

Superintendent of Public Instruction

That is the one list I haven't been able to find. If you give me a random name from the list of Superintendents of Public Instruction I could probably find it. HoosierState^Talk 03:35, 5 December 2008 (UTC)

Thanks, I knew that'd do it! Here you go! HoosierState^Talk 03:40, 5 December 2008 (UTC)

• Just in case you see corrections that need to be made or you want to update the lists to the format you're doing them all in, here are the rest of the links. Happy editing! HoosierState^Talk 05:45, 5 December 2008 (UTC)
  • Governor
  • Lieutenant Governor
  • Attorney General
  • Secretary of State
• In the Secretary of State source, it lists James Morrison as a Republican. Does your book list him as a Dem? HoosierState^Talk 02:24, 6 December 2008 (UTC)

I think I figured it out.. I have been looking at it to try and figure out what party he was - He could not have been republican because the republican party was not created until 1854. I am thinking it must be National Republican Party. What do you think? My book puts him as Republican also - I am trying to figure out how that is possible. He is definatly not a GOP RepublicanCharles Edward (Talk) 03:03, 6 December 2008 (UTC)

That would make sense. HoosierState^Talk 03:10, 6 December 2008 (UTC)

So does that mean we have to take a guess? Haha. I would assume he is a Democrat then, if the Democratic Legislature got him elected. HoosierState^Talk 03:38, 6 December 2008 (UTC)

Benjamin Harrison

You may have noticed I've added some information to Benjamin Harrison, which you had already improved a great deal from its earlier state. I'm hoping to submit it for Featured Article, and I'd be interested in any improvements you'd care to make before I submit it. Coemgenus 17:27, 5 December 2008 (UTC)

Hello! Yes I'd be glad to help in any way I can. I have a couple good books here for sources, plus there is lots of online content. I think there is more that could be added throughout the article. Comprehensiveness is what is probably most lacking right now for FA status. The post presidency could use quite a bit more work I think, and also more information on some of the events in his term as president. Right now it just hits the high points without a great deal of explanation. All the other parts, except maybe prose, should be pretty close to passing FA. If I have a chance in the next couple days I will pull out my books and see what I can add. Charles Edward (Talk) 21:06, 5 December 2008 (UTC)

Sounds good. There is more to add, certainly -- I never wrote about his interest in civil rights in the South, for example. You don't have that three-volume biography by Sievers, do you? It's hard to find in libraries around my area and expensive to buy, so I haven't used it. Coemgenus 21:52, 5 December 2008 (UTC)

No I don't, I have a book on all the presidents and there is a chapter on Harrison. I also have another book somewhere about that time period that would have significant info about him. There is also lots of stuff on google books you can read online: [7] Charles Edward (Talk) 21:55, 5 December 2008 (UTC)

List of Governors of Indiana

I have been working on List of Governors of Indiana, which you substantially edited, by expanding the lead, adding images, and adding references. I believe it is getting close to being able to become featured. Could you please take a look at it and make any necessary inprovements? Thanks! Reywas92^Talk 20:32, 6 December 2008 (UTC)

If the acting Lieutenant Governors are listed on the Governors list, should we also include them at Lieutenant Governor of Indiana? Reywas92^Talk 22:51, 6 December 2008 (UTC)

They are listed in the footnotes there. I only added the rest of them because one was already added. In my sources they are never counted with the elected ones, but are noted. What do you think? Charles Edward (Talk) 23:03, 6 December 2008 (UTC)

I think that they could be included in the table of Lieutenants with a dash rather than a number to denote acting, but they don't necessarily need to be on the Governors list since they weren't official, but it isn't a big deal so we can go with whatever's easiest. We do, however, need to be consistent with the two lists as well as Political party strength in Indiana. Reywas92^Talk 01:57, 7 December 2008 (UTC)

I agree. And that sounds jsut fine with me. :) I will add them into the Lt. Gov. article like you suggested when I get a chance, or you are welcome to do so. I also agree that we don't need them on the List of Governor article. I just added the rest for consistency. Feel free to remove them. Charles Edward (Talk) 02:17, 7 December 2008 (UTC)

I'll do it as soon as I can get around to it. Do you have any other suggestions about the Governors list before I nominate it for FL in a few days? Do think I need more references? The problem is that most of the lead is from the Constitutions, which I only refed once for each, and unrefable synthesis. I've modeled what I've done off other featured Gov lists, but not all of them have a separate main article about the Governor so my lead is not as long. Also, the others are inconsistent on refing the Other High Offices; there are the articles it links to, or should I really link every one to the Congress biographies? Thanks! Reywas92^Talk 02:56, 8 December 2008 (UTC)

I have a book that I can ref all the footnotes on as well as the other high offices section. I will try to get that in tomorrow sometime. As far as the lead, I don't have a good book for the duties of governor and succession, but I believe there is somewhere on IN.gov where we could find a fair explanation. I would think the constitution is a good source though for explaining his powers and term limits, etc; is there a better authority than the document itself? That might qualify as primary source, but I should think that it is ok in this case. I would definitely have book sources for the previous term limits, etc, and can dig that up tomorrow too. A little better referencing won't hurt. I think it looks pretty good. If we do need it to be a bit longer, I don't see any harm in copying over some info from Governor of Indiana. We could also link all the governor names in the image captions, or de-link them all to be consistent. I wonder if all the red linked Lt. Govs would be something that would hold it back? It is likely most of them will never be made, or at least not in the near future.

Earlier this year I went through all governor articles and tried to expand them all a bit. I got some of them pretty good, but others it's hard to find much detail on. Some of the Lt. Govs. it would probably be near impossible to find enough info to get much more than a couple lines of an article. Charles Edward (Talk) 03:18, 8 December 2008 (UTC)

I have made some formatting adjustments, and added some more refs and a tad more info. I created a table from teh top down and moved all the images into it. That way the edit buttons show up right instead of pushing all the way down. (like it did on my firefox). I also added an image of James Whitcomb, he is probably the third most notable governor and an image of him seems appropriate. Let me know what you think. Feel free to change anything back. Charles Edward (Talk) 22:15, 8 December 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for adding those references. Book sources are always nice as well. If you see the history I originally did add links to all the Other Offices, but it was with Template:CongBio, which uses PAGENAME, so I had to revert myself on that; thanks for adding some back in with the cite templates. I can't believe both of us missed my error of listing IN as joining the Union on December 19th rather than 11th; I mistook it because we're the 19th state. I believe all of the term limits are cited already with the constitutions though more can't hurt. I doubt any of the Lt gov redlinks will ever become articles, but the sort template links them automatically.

I noticed you had difficulty adding refs to the notes; I had the same but there's a template to fix having a ref within a ref. Those notes, however, refer to multiple governors, so I don't think the book is a catch-all and should really go there. Also, It doesn't look so good with all the images starting at the top, going in and out of the sections. I would put them together as you had them, but still under the Governors header. I have IE so I'm not sure what you mean by pushing the edit button down. If they don't fit we could remove the poor image of Gray. I chose those just because they had another high office or had a distinction (separate terms). Reywas92^Talk 22:30, 8 December 2008 (UTC)

Whatever you think looks best is fine with me. Looks like someone has already moved the images. LOL. The ref I was trying to add is the page with all the footnotes for the Govornor of Indiana list in my book. I does contain notes for all the resignations and deaths. As well as quite a few other things. So it would work for some of them. My is missing the last 20 years of info though.

In my firefox, if you have a long string of images, they push all the section "edit" buttons to the bottom of the long string. So all the "edit" links from the top down all show up in the "See Also" section to me, rather than in the sections where they belong. Most users prolly have IE though. Charles Edward (Talk) 23:11, 8 December 2008 (UTC)

I'll copy this discussion to the talk page on the list for everyone to see if you don't mind. If this page of the book does apply to all of the resignations and deaths, I'll see if I can add those back in with the new formatting after dinner. Reywas92^Talk 23:46, 8 December 2008 (UTC) That's fine with me linking them to the Lt gov list, but List of Lieutenant Governors of Indiana redirects to Lieutenant Governor of Indiana, so either that needs to bypass it, or maybe just be consistent and move the article to the list name. Or maybe create redirects for the people articles to the list; I'm not sure - maybe FLC reviewers or Golbez have comments. There are still a few mistakes in the templates from what was previously there, but you or I could easily fix them. Reywas92^Talk 01:15, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

If you didn't notice, I went ahead and nominated the list at Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/List of Governors of Indiana. I invite you to co-nominate. Thanks! Reywas92^Talk 16:07, 22 December 2008 (UTC)

Bedford

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Alright, so you said that you have a massive library...

...so I was wondering if you could add anymore to Alaska-class battlecruiser before I give FAC a shot. My dream is that you have U.S. Cruisers: An Illustrated Design History by Norman Friedman (I don't have any access to it...=[), but any help would be appreciated. Did I miss anything? Did I purposefully overlook something minor about them that should really be included? Thanks lots, Allanon ^{♠The Dark Druid♠} 04:54, 26 December 2008 (UTC)

Hi there! I went through and dug about my library. I do not have the book to asked for, but I do have one book entitled :The American Battleship, but I see you already have used that source. It has just a few pages about this battleship. I also checked out a few google books for anything noteworthy. A few notable things I read in the book that I do not see within the article is

• The Alaska and Guam were the largest American "Cruiser Class" ships ever built.
• The Alaska had camouflage painting, something like large stripes resembling waves.
• In 1942 there was an attempt to create a plan to turn the Alaska class ships into carriers similar to Independence Class ship.
• You talk about the other ships being delayed, the Hawaii was the closest to being finished. It was 83% completed when it was canceled in 1945.

Pretty much everything I see in my book is already within the article. It looks like you or someone has already combed the google books pretty well too. I hope that is some help to you. The book you are looking for is partially available, although it looks like the parts you would want are not included. You could check it out anyway though. [8]. Charles Edward (Talk) 16:57, 26 December 2008 (UTC)

Alright, thanks for the help! :) Wrong book though - that googley link points to U.S. Aircraft Carriers: An Illustrated Design History. :P Cheers! Allanon ^{♠The Dark Druid♠} 08:37, 28 December 2008 (UTC)

William Henry Harrison

With a good copy edit and some work on the refs, this could be a Featured Article. — Rlevse • Talk • 03:39, 28 December 2008 (UTC)

It is pretty good I think. I have not had great luck with getting articles over the FA line. GA seems about the limit of my ability at this time, unfortunately. I have three good books on WHH and would be happy to collaborate on improving the quality. I will dig them out and see what I can do in the next couple days. :) Charles Edward (Talk) 21:33, 28 December 2008 (UTC)

Terre Haute

I'll be in Terre Haute tomorrow (first time in 3 years). Is there anything you'd like a picture of up there? BTW, Clark State Forest is being GA reviewed right now, so I'd love if you could keep an eye on it. Regards.--Gen. Bedford ^{his Forest} 23:13, 28 December 2008 (UTC)

High Land - my wife likes to point out everything French in the United States.. :S I don't think there is anything there I could need off the top of my head. I will keep an eye on that article for you. I been meaning to check it out again. I been busy all week. I just got back from the smokey mountains. I got some great pictures I am going to see if any might useful for the wiki. Charles Edward (Talk) 23:20, 28 December 2008 (UTC)

NP. One of the things I'll be taking pictures of is Paul Dresser's birthplace; he wrote On the Banks of the Wabash, Far Away], the state song. If I had time, those two articles could be 5x for DYK.--Gen. Bedford ^{his Forest} 23:32, 28 December 2008 (UTC)

I have wanted to expand the on the banks of the wabash article to GA, but could not come up with anything much to put on it. I have a link on my userpage to a great version of the song by Rufus. I will think about it.. There must a book about state songs, or something like that with lots of useful (or useless) information. Charles Edward (Talk) 23:47, 28 December 2008 (UTC)

When they reopen, I'll check the IUS library (any Hoosier citizen can check out books at an IU library). I'll look forward to the smoky pictures; I haven't been there for a while (and haven't been in the park/Gatlinburg since 1986).--Gen. Bedford ^{his Forest} 00:27, 29 December 2008 (UTC)

Clark State Forest

Since it might be inappropriate if I did so, could you change all the assessments of Clark State Forest to GA?--Gen. Bedford ^{his Forest} 03:54, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

Looks like Parrot of Doom finally got around to it. lol. Sorry, I have been out all day. Charles Edward (Talk) 00:52, 3 January 2009 (UTC)