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Flags in club history for basketball players/coaches

Hello - I have noticed that you have begun adding flags next to clubs in basketball player infoboxes. There have been numerous discussions about this at WP:BASKETBALL and long-standing consensus not to add them. Thanks for the work on Italian League players. Rikster2 (talk) 12:03, 2 April 2015 (UTC)

Some tweaks

Hi ArmstrongJulian. First of, thank you for your work in the Italian basketball players pages. However, there are some things I've to mention in order to make your work, edits more valuable. External links (like Euroleague, Eurobasket, Legabasket etc.) shouldn't be deleted like you did in several pages. They are here to give the reader more information about the player/person. Please, read again how to write articles properly: WP Guide. Also, one last thing. Please, don't add statistic tables of domestic leagues. It is already hard to maintain Euroleague (1st tier Continental - Europe) as there are only few of us who maintain them as the elite competition. And that is our biggest problem here. We can't simply add domestic league stats to any player. There should be someone who will maintain it constantly. If we stay with the top European league, it is def. more easy. Also, try not to add stats for players who have less then 5ppg in all seasons they played in the Euroleague for their respective teams. This is also a thing of a maintenance. I would like if we have it for all the players, but it's a thing of our current capacity. Lot of users don't even make difference between FG% and 2PFG%, also the same with career row updates, minutes and second (for example 21:35 is actually 24.6 minutes and not 21.4 minutes etc) This was short, brief, unconnected, but if you want any more explanation, please write at my TP. Bye!--AirWolf ^talk 10:53, 12 April 2015 (UTC)

Hi again. I've read your post on my TP. I don't have much time for wiki these days, but please, be patient, I'll give you some extra tips and explanation of my actions in the following days... Great to see you ready to cooperate. Thanks!--AirWolf ^talk 22:03, 15 April 2015 (UTC)

Just a small mention for future conversation. I'll try to contest all your edits constructively as soon as I find free time and willingness to go through discussion about you edits. I'm not saying your edits are harmful, but there should be consensus and I hope we'll make it. Until then, please, let your contributions be short, constructive, with sources. Every sentence. It isn't the point in expanding articles in large quantities. Quality over quantity. Few mentions now which caught my eyesight, remove sources from the section titles, leave them inside sections; work on your maths, 23:45 mpg is not equal to 23.5 minutes, but 23.8 minutes etc. One minute has 60 seconds. FGP is not the same as 2PFGP. Why am I insisting on .450 format over 45%? Because readers from the NA region are accustomed to it through the NBAstats and the same thing we've done while we created Euroleague stats 2-3 years ago. And other similar stuff. Until some time, bye...--AirWolf ^talk 01:02, 16 May 2015 (UTC)

I've never said that my edits were perfect or unimprovable, I can understand why my writing style can be more literary than factual, quantity doesn't have to mean a loss of quality though, I've edited Aaron Jackson (basketball)'s page in that sense, I think it's as factual and referenced as possible and will be striving to replicate that format with my other articles, past or future, I've also corrected the mathematical mistakes and changed the value for FG's, I know the difference but the format is so unusual in Europe that I had automatically assumed the 2point FG was in the table. That said I don't understand why you're fixated on my edits, there's thousands of Euroleague players out there that have articles that don't meet the requirements you set out, I've just seen Kyle Hines' article for example that just hurts my eyes so bad is it's layout, yes my edits are imperfect but I've always taken advice on board as to how to improve them. That brings us to our main source of disagreement, because all players don't have them shoudln't be a reason not to include domestic stats if they're from a reliable and frequently updated source, they're are heaps of players without Euroleague stats though they played in the competition, not using them would be leveling down, I have put them in collapsible table (see Aaron Jackson) so that it's clear that the Euroleague is the main competition but unless there is a clear consensus against (the discussion of which I expect to be made aware of) I'm keeping them. Now for the format, I don't think strongly even defines how much I disagree with the use of an NBA type format for the stats, we are talking about Europe here and I have not yet encountered any league that formats them in another way than I do, including the Euroleague, if North American readers are unaccustomed to it then so be it, again the NBA is not all basketball. ArmstrongJulian(talk)

I'm not longer having interest taking part in a discussion. Use your best judgement while adding content.--AirWolf ^talk 22:18, 6 June 2015 (UTC)

Aaron Jackson (basketball)

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Also, changing the already specified format of the Euroleague statistics may be harmful as that way you are making an exception. Exception of all the other articles which include such statistics. Your another point that source's statistics format should be reflected to Wikipedia is BS. Take a look at NBA.com statistics. It's widely accepted format and exceptions wouldn't be tolerable. Also, I haven't deleted domestic league statistics as you mentioned, the only thing I did was deleting second table with stats abbr. explanations as it is unnecessary. Your recent behavior is best described as ownership of the article. Further discussion at: WikiProject Basketball. Bye.--AirWolf ^talk 12:49, 26 May 2015 (UTC)

Formatting high school and college in basketball infobox

Hi - I recently reverted a couple of changes to Brandon Hunter and saw it as an opportunity to let you know about a couple of formatting consensus items on basketball articles. First, a player's high school never lists the words "high school" because it is already in the "high school" field. So "Central High Scool" just becomes Central (City, State). Second, colleges use the athletic name that are used in popular press, standings, NBA profiles, etc. In the Hunter example, "Ohio University" becomes "Ohio" in the same way that "Syracuse University" becomes "Syracuse." There are very few division I schools that have "University" or "college" spelled out in their athletic common name, with "Boston College" and "Boston University" being two prominent exceptions. Thanks. Rikster2 (talk) 19:06, 9 June 2015 (UTC)

Sorry about that, I wasn't really planning on editing the artcle but it was so badly written that I felt compelled to but just did a quick edit. I thought Ohio was a mistake by the original author, my knowledge of college basketball is raw and I knew of Ohio State so I assumed they called Ohio by the full name, similarly to the Boston example. Ditto for the high school, makes sense to be honest. Thanks for the heads up, I'll take care the next times. --ArmstrongJulian (talk) 19:14, 9 June 2015 (UTC)

NBA.com stats for retired players

I see that you have added NBA.com stat links for a few retired players. Per Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_National_Basketball_Association/Archive_23#NBA.com_player_links_changed_.28again.29, NBA.com links are always moving, and past consensus was to just rely on basketball-reference.com (you can use {{basketballstats}}) for retired players. If you want to change consensus, feel free to discuss at WT:NBA. Thanks!—Bagumba (talk) 17:51, 15 June 2015 (UTC)

@Bagumba: The conversation linked concerns NBA.com stats linked in the infobox, as part of the template. Seeing that template in the infobox page I tried to link it through that on some articles but gave up when it didn't work, I understand why now. Nothing seems to stop linking NBA.com stats in the external links from what I understand. --ArmstrongJulian (talk) 18:29, 15 June 2015 (UTC)

External links typically use {{Basketballstats}}, which had its historical link functionality removed also. It's actually not that hard to add in support for the latest format. The problem is when NBA.com inevitably changes two years or so later, each instance will probably need to be manually updated, because it historically has not been a simple alteration that the template alone can handle. Sure, we could just not use templates and add the EL like you did, but that would be a lot of deadlinks when the URL changes in the future. If there is consensus to have the NBA.com links under ELs, it should be in a template, so at the very least it's one change in the template to deprecate all instances, instead of having to remove deadlinks one-by-one from 1,000s of pages. In summary, if there is consensus to have the NBA.com links as ELs, they should be supported in a template. Hope that makes sense?—Bagumba (talk) 18:51, 15 June 2015 (UTC)

@Bagumba: OK I understand better now. But in effect it just means that there is no template for NBA.stats. I'd say we should have the NBA stats link in the external links even without a template, yes that leaves the possibility of dead links but in my opinion is still better than nothing. I wasn't aware there was any consensus whatsoever on external links for basketball, by experience I've encountered a diverse array of links including twitter on article pages (not the ones I created). Not that that I'm against the idea if applied correctly of default external links. --ArmstrongJulian (talk) 20:15, 15 June 2015 (UTC)

I actually started an external links section at WP:NBASTYLE. While there is some conformity in articles already, there is a lot of variance too. WP:EL would be the overriding guideline. Here is what I suggest: Get consensus at WT:NBA to generally have those NBA.com links. If there is agreement, I or someone else can easily add the support to Basketballstats. Bear in mind, if the links change (and they likely will) all pages will still need to be manually updated one-by-one. However, the benefit would be that the template can help deprecate all the old instances with one change.—Bagumba (talk) 20:30, 15 June 2015 (UTC)

I'm going to be honest with you, I just can't be bothered going through the bureaucratic process for something that will probably be ignored anyway. Filing through player articles I notice that guidelines are rarely applied and everyone more or less does what they want with references (I've seen more than one blog included as a lone source), article format, external links etc. In my eye the standards on Wikipedia are just too lax and the quantity has brought the quality down. That said I'm no anarchist so I'll try to include the bare minimun for external links, with NBA links as references only if I need to use them.--ArmstrongJulian (talk) 21:05, 15 June 2015 (UTC)

I sympathize with your sentiments. Much as in real life, rules can be selectively followed and enforced. Wikipedia is no different, nor would I expect it to be. In my experience, it's only the core editors that you can reasonably expect to mostly follow rules. There are plenty of drive-by editors who don't. In their defense, many probably don't even realize they exist either. Then there is segment of editors that are just going to do what they want until they quit after getting fed up, bored, or blocked. At any rate, it's okay if you are not passionate about pursuing this, but I didn't want to presume that the current consensus was necessarily the best and only way to handle it. It's definitely a gray area. I do invite you to become more active at WP:NBA; it's about the only way to increase the level of teamwork and exchange of ideas on improving NBA articles. Cheers.—Bagumba (talk) 21:29, 15 June 2015 (UTC)

Couldn't agree with your opinion of drive-by editors and that the guidelines are not clear, it's a bit frustating because small tweaks would just make everything run smoothly, but starting a rant wouldn't serve any purpose so I'll stop here.

I used to follow a lot of NBA before but over the last few years I've just kept a eye on the mayor developpements, catching a game or two there. I mostly follow European basketball, espacially Italian basketball right now, which is how I stumbled on those player pages. I found some of them to be so badly written/source/organised that I rewrote them, some more thoroughly. Whilst I appreciate the invitation, I'm probably not the most qualified person to write about the NBA as of now, if I rekindle the spark or some of my favourite euro players move to the NBA then I'll definitely participate more. --ArmstrongJulian (talk) 22:38, 15 June 2015 (UTC)

"Team_link" parameter in Template:Infobox basketball biography

Hi - I saw where you added this to Semaj Christon. This parameter has been deprecated and should no longer be used in the template. Just wanted to let you know. Rikster2 (talk) 14:20, 4 August 2015 (UTC)

@Rikster2: My bad, I was trying to get the colours working at the top of the infobox so put it in and then forgot to remove it at the end. By the way how does that feature (running the colours as you described it in edits) work? It seems to work with some teams but not all and with the non-sponsored name only. --ArmstrongJulian (talk) 16:04, 4 August 2015 (UTC)

Hi - I think you'd need to get the sponsor name added to the linked basketball color cell. I am not really that knowledgeable about working with these, usually I ask User:Frietjes for help. We should probably get some form of consensus on what the display name should be at WP:BASKETBALL so this doesn't get out of hand - do we use the sponsor name or something else. It would be nice to have consistency and to de-activate outdated sponsor names if we go that way. Some teams change sponsors every few years. Rikster2 (talk) 12:58, 7 August 2015 (UTC)

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Grammar in your edits and heights and weights of players in infobox templates

I just wanted to ask you to be a little more careful in your grammar in your edits if that is at all possible. On your edits at the Michael Bramos article, the grammar and spelling of the article was bad, where it was good before you edited it. So if you could just be careful please when you do your edits to watch out for that. It's easy to make those mistakes. But try to go back and check it, and try not to change grammar on articles that is already good for no reason, to improper grammar. Thanks.Bluesangrel (talk) 23:52, 29 August 2015 (UTC)

Also, is there a reason why you are changing the heights and weights of so many players? The reason that templates are set to English system first, and metric system second, is because the converter for metric to English system on Wikipedia does not convert the weights properly. Only the English to metric converter properly converts the weights and then gives the accurate and correct weight listing in both English and metric systems. If you use the metric system parameters to convert, then the weight by pounds (English system) does not convert properly. I am just explaining that to you, because I assume you did not know that. I have tried to correct the weight converter before, but the edits would just get reverted. So it is a bit of a problem.Bluesangrel (talk) 23:56, 29 August 2015 (UTC)

@Bluesangrel:I was not going to dignify your first message with an answer, people in glass houses shouldn't throw stones, you might want to check the difference between grammar and spelling too. As for the height and weight it's simple, I take the parameters from the club/league the player is currently playing in. As most of my edits concern players based in Europe then I used the metric system. You'll notice I didn't change Zach Auguste's parameters as he's based in the U.S. As for the conversion problems, you do realise that they're not perfect when converting the other way round as well? Ie the centimetres can be off when you put the height in feet. I think it's not that far off in all cases and I'd rather have an up to date parameter (weight changes over time). If you don't agree there's a talk page at Wiki Project Basketball where you can try and establish consensus, I can't be bothered arguing with you after your reasoning (or lack of) on the Pallacanestro Treviso debate. --ArmstrongJulian (talk) 00:10, 30 August 2015 (UTC)

@Bluesangrel: None of the grammar mistakes on the Michael Bramos page were from me right actually. Maybe if you had looked at the edit history you would have seen I made only a few edits, with two mistakes (one spelling mistake and forgetting to link the Greece national team as Greece) that were already corrected before your error-riddled intervention. For your information, "he signed with the Greek team Peristeri" is a common mistake foreigners make in English, the grammatically correct form is "he signed with Greek team Peristeri". (see the BBC) --ArmstrongJulian (talk) 00:23, 30 August 2015 (UTC)

So, basically then you would suggest to have a mod involved then?Bluesangrel (talk) 18:56, 30 August 2015 (UTC)

No, I'm implying you should try making useful edits (with things called sources) instead of pestering everyone (I note I'm not the only one you've approached) with nonsense accusations. --ArmstrongJulian (talk) 19:24, 30 August 2015 (UTC)

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Invitation/reminder: Listed height and weight in infoboxes

Hi. I've seen that you've participated in a discussion on Listed height and weight in infoboxes and I want you to read my proposal and comment on whether you support it or oppose it. The reason is I want to get a consensus on this issue once for all. Thanks in advance. Bye.--AirWolf ^talk 20:09, 12 September 2015 (UTC)

I am just notifying you of this

I am notifying you of this. Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents#ArmstrongJulian nominating articles for deletion out of personal grudges and general editing with personal bias and rudenessBluesangrel (talk) 18:08, 17 September 2015 (UTC)

Robert Curtis (basketball)

Hello, thank you for your contributions to the Quinnel Brown article. If you to make a quick but helpful edit, see the Robert Curtis (basketball) page. This player has played in China/Taiwan, but I cannot find any sources that give any details on his career there. TempleM (talk) 23:19, 17 September 2015 (UTC)

The only thing I could find was that he played in a tournament called the Super Kung Sheung Cup with a team called Southern California Fukienese Association in 2010 (US-SCFA crowned champions in Hong Kong), 2013 (Gilas Pilipinas Conquers the 2013 Super Kung Sheung Cup!) and 2015 (Hong Kong lose to superior US Fukienese Association in semi-finals). He signed with the Mississauga Power in July 2014, I think you knew that already (Powerbasketball), he signed with the Rochester RazorSharks in whatever minor league in November 2014 (USbasket). I've seen mentions of him playing in Thailand, Taiwan and China (I doubt he played in all those countries) but could find no more than you, the different scripts makes it harder of course.

Is this guy really notable though? He played only 3 or 4 career games in the NBL Canada and nothing else pops up, his football career seems a bit pathetic as well. I'll try and finish Brown tomorrow (I've got most of the minor league stuff out of the way and that was by far the most annoying), can't do much more on Curtis and I'll be without regular internet from Saturday for at least one month so that'll be all I can do. Just a tip, even without subscribing, it can help to search eurobasket.com (using google, like site:eurobasket.com) as it usually pops up a few results. --ArmstrongJulian (talk) 00:29, 18 September 2015 (UTC)

OK. I wouldn't have created an article for this player if it weren't for the fact that he was drafted first overall in the 2012 NBL Canada draft. I want to create articles for all players that have won a recognized award, been named to an All-NBL Canada Team, or led the league in a major statistical category. Since NBA first overall draft picks are labeled with "mid-importance," I believe that the same should be done for the NBL Canada. I'm not sure whether he has received enough coverage to meet the standards, but the draft factor may make him notable. TempleM (talk) 00:04, 19 September 2015 (UTC)

You don't need to defend your choices, I'm not going to AfD them, just check if they received coverage before creating the articles if possible. I'm done with Quinnel Brown, I think I filled in all the gaps, I stopped at 2012 as he joined the NBL Canada by that time so you can fill the rest in. --ArmstrongJulian (talk) 00:59, 19 September 2015 (UTC)

Ok, I will expand the rest of the article soon. One article I forgot to mention for you to consider expanding is Dave Magley. He is the current commissioner of the NBL Canada and is one of the most important people in the league's history. However, his article is still fairly small and disorganized. Could you please take a look at that, especially his playing career? TempleM (talk) 15:41, 19 September 2015 (UTC)

Also, with the work you have put into the articles, I strongly recommend that you join the NBL Canada WikiProject. It is a small group but has been growing at a steady rate. TempleM (talk) 17:21, 19 September 2015 (UTC)

You were mentioned

FYI, since I (because someone else) mention you: Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/Incidents#Boomerang_on_Bluesangrel.—Bagumba (talk) 20:07, 18 September 2015 (UTC)

Thank you for starting the process, I was thinking of doing it myself because this editor's actions are now explicitly disruptive, I'm just tired of trying to have a conversation with someone so irrational. --ArmstrongJulian (talk) 21:31, 18 September 2015 (UTC)

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@Insertcleverphrasehere: I appreciate the invitation but for lack of time and (especially) lack of will to make pages comply with Wikipedia's lax policies I'll have to decline. Thank you for patrolling. ArmstrongJulian (talk) 21:29, 25 November 2017 (UTC)

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