User talk:Andrybak/Archive 2
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Minor "fixes" on my user page
Hi, I didn't notice until now the "fixes" you made last August on my user page. I'm wondering why you felt it important to do so. Thanks, YoPienso (talk) 04:15, 22 February 2023 (UTC)
- Yopienso, hi. In Special:Diff/1105706652 the main goal was the same as in an edit in August of 2019 – Special:Diff/910933298 – to remove incorrect categorization of the user page. The other changes are just wikitext cleanup. —andrybak (talk) 08:13, 22 February 2023 (UTC)
- Neither of the two edits is marked as minor, for the record. —andrybak (talk) 08:14, 22 February 2023 (UTC)
- Thanks for replying. I don't understand your reply, however. What does "remove incorrect categorization of the user page" mean? I don't see what needed fixing. I don't see how you improved the encyclopedia. Since I don't understand why you feel your changes were important, they look like minor, picky things. Yet you came back to inform me they weren't minor. ???
- Was there something wrong with the userboxes I copied or modified or created? If so, what? If so, what harm was done by my user page? Frankly, I feel invaded. YoPienso (talk) 14:37, 23 February 2023 (UTC)
- Yopienso, just to make sure we're on the same page:
- Userboxes are a kind of template. In particular, userboxes are a kind of "user template".
- Templates can be categorized.
- Categorization is done using pages in the namespace "Category".
- Category:Alaska college and university user templates is for user templates about higher education in the state of Alaska, as the name suggests.
- Your user page, i.e. the page User:Yopienso, is not a template. As such, it is incorrect for the page User:Yopienso to contain categorization into Category:Alaska college and university user templates or any other category not intended for user pages.
- I hope the above answers your questions
What does "remove incorrect categorization of the user page" mean?
andWas there something wrong with the userboxes I copied or modified or created?
. It is a common mistake for editors who copy-paste wikitext of user templates to select too much of the wikitext and paste incorrect categorization into their page. - I understand that it might be hard to see the removal of this categorization in Special:Diff/1105706652, because the edit also includes a lot of wikitext cleanup. Edit summary of my edit is "user page is not a template: removed Category:Alaska college and university user templates using HotCat, cleaned up wikitext" – the last part after the comma is about this cleanup. This wikitext cleanup was done semi-automatically to make the wikitext cleaner.
Since I don't understand why you feel your changes were important
– I hope it is obvious that having correct categorization on all pages is important. Otherwise, the whole categorization system will be chaos.they look like minor, picky things. Yet you came back to inform me they weren't minor. ???
– the phrase "minor edit" has a very specific meaning on English Wikipedia. In my message –Neither of the two edits is marked as minor, for the record.
– I meant this technical, specific to Wikipedia, meaning of the word "minor".- As for
Frankly, I feel invaded
– correcting such errors on user pages of other editors is allowed by the guidelines. - For more details, please see the pages that I've linked. I'll gladly answer any questions if you have any. —andrybak (talk) 20:38, 23 February 2023 (UTC)
- I'm assuming the answer lies buried somewhere in this: "Your user page, i.e. the page User:Yopienso, is not a template. As such, it is incorrect for the page User:Yopienso to contain categorization into Category:Alaska college and university user templates or any other category not intended for user pages." I'm mildly interested in understanding how my page offended--not least to avoid making an error in the future--but your explanation doesn't tell me how. The history of the Category:Alaska college, etc. page doesn't show my name or use page ever having been there. I honestly don't understand at all why you felt obliged to edit my page. The diff shows you removing blank spaces. Way too picky, imo. Anyway, thank you, I guess, for saving us from chaos. YoPienso (talk) 13:58, 24 February 2023 (UTC)
I'm mildly interested in understanding how my page offended--not least to avoid making an error in the future--but your explanation doesn't tell me how.
- Yopienso, it seems that you are not familiar with how categorization works in MediaWiki. Please consult the page Help:Category and Wikipedia:FAQ/Categorization.
- To see the wikitext that was causing the issue on your userpage, please go to the page Special:Diff/1105706652, use the "Find on page" or similar functionality in your browser and search for
Category:Alaska college and university user templates. First search result would be in my edit summary and in the second search result you will see the line where the incorrect categorization was removed. - To avoid such errors in the future, please pay closer attention to what kind of wikitext you are copying and which categories appear at the bottom of your userpage (see screenshot at Help:Categories).
The history of the Category:Alaska college, etc. page doesn't show my name or use page ever having been there.
- Due to the way categorization is implemented, one cannot see the history of categorization on the page of the category. The problematic wikitext was in your userpage. It was introduced in your edit: Special:Diff/1097120261.
I honestly don't understand at all why you felt obliged to edit my page.
- Because your userpage is not a template, as I mentioned in the edit summary of Special:Diff/1105706652. If you look at the top of the page Category:Alaska college and university user templates, you will see a banner with text:
Templates relating to Alaska colleges and universities. The pages listed in this category are meant to be user templates, including userboxes.
Your userpage does not belong in a category for templates. Examples of pages that don't belong in that category:- User:Yopienso, User talk:Yopienso, Main Page — because they are not userboxes, they aren't even templates
- Template:University of Alaska Fairbanks – a template about a university in Alaska, but it is not a userbox
- Template:User Alaska – a userbox about Alaska, but not about a university or college
- Template:User MIT — a userbox about a university or college, but one that is located in the Commonwealth of Massachusetts, not in the state of Alaska
- Examples of pages that do belong in that category:
- Using appropriate categories on pages is one of the main principles of the guideline Wikipedia:Categorization. Editors who use the category system to search for userboxes about colleges and universities in Alaska would be surprised to find the page User:Yopienso in the Category:Alaska college and university user templates. —andrybak (talk) 15:43, 24 February 2023 (UTC)
- I'm assuming the answer lies buried somewhere in this: "Your user page, i.e. the page User:Yopienso, is not a template. As such, it is incorrect for the page User:Yopienso to contain categorization into Category:Alaska college and university user templates or any other category not intended for user pages." I'm mildly interested in understanding how my page offended--not least to avoid making an error in the future--but your explanation doesn't tell me how. The history of the Category:Alaska college, etc. page doesn't show my name or use page ever having been there. I honestly don't understand at all why you felt obliged to edit my page. The diff shows you removing blank spaces. Way too picky, imo. Anyway, thank you, I guess, for saving us from chaos. YoPienso (talk) 13:58, 24 February 2023 (UTC)
- Yopienso, just to make sure we're on the same page:
- Neither of the two edits is marked as minor, for the record. —andrybak (talk) 08:14, 22 February 2023 (UTC)
A barnstar for you!
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The Categorisation Barnstar | |
| For your work on properly categorizing the templates on Wikipedia, something very little attention is often given to. Your work is noticed and appreciated greatly! Johnson524 (Talk!) 04:10, 23 March 2023 (UTC) |
Hello Andrybak, I hope you're doing well. I'm not sure if you like barnstars or not, but after seeing your amazing amount of recent categorization work, I felt it would only be right to show my appreciation in some way more than a simple 'thanks'. Thank you for all you do, cheers! Johnson524 (Talk!) 04:10, 23 March 2023 (UTC)
Speedy deletion nomination of Category:Muisca people
A tag has been placed on Category:Muisca people indicating that it is currently empty, and is not a disambiguation category, a category redirect, a featured topics category, under discussion at Categories for discussion, or a project category that by its nature may become empty on occasion. If it remains empty for seven days or more, it may be deleted under section C1 of the criteria for speedy deletion.
If you think this page should not be deleted for this reason you may contest the nomination by visiting the page and clicking the button labelled "Contest this speedy deletion". This will give you the opportunity to explain why you believe the page should not be deleted. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag from the page yourself. Liz Read! Talk! 19:15, 3 April 2023 (UTC)
A barnstar for you!
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The Template Barnstar | |
| For all the great work you do on templates. DB1729talk 11:35, 8 June 2023 (UTC) |
misplaced
Do you have a good and or easy point of reference as to misplaced template project tags? it would be very helpful if you could. Thanks. JarrahTree 01:01, 29 June 2023 (UTC)
- JarrahTree, for Template:WikiProject Templates the answer is very simple: the point of reference is its documentation, which includes a big warning sign with the text
This template should almost never be used on the talk pages of templates.
(emphasis in the original). If you look at the transclusion of {{WikiProject Templates}} at Special:Permalink/1162335057 and click on [show], you will see that the template produces a big red warningThis template should only be transcluded in the Wikipedia talk, Help talk, or Category talk namespace(s).
This warning also shows up if you preview an edit with the template before publishing it. —andrybak (talk) 07:19, 29 June 2023 (UTC)
- Ok thanks for the explanation - from at least one point of view - the notion that a template talk page excludes a project tag seems counter-intuitive - so in a way of speaking templates dont have their own project tag? However If I read you right, where a category talk page has it, it's ok?
- The whole experience of project tagging on talk pages is and has been quite an experience at times, this adds yet another layer to the over all intrigue. Thanks for the reply. JarrahTree 08:46, 29 June 2023 (UTC)
- the whole thing is due to the commencement of the australian transport project - which involved seeking out and checking transport related topics of oz - in some cases the many templates used in transport material failed to have state/topic tag added - and thats how it started - the project has scratched the surface of the larger range of eligible candidates for the transport tagging so far... JarrahTree 08:50, 29 June 2023 (UTC)
- JarrahTree, all templates are by definition in the scope of WikiProject Templates. For more elaboration on the topic, see this TfD discussion from 2010. —andrybak (talk) 09:21, 29 June 2023 (UTC)
- That is a very good link and well gone through at that point - thanks for the info... JarrahTree 09:24, 29 June 2023 (UTC)
- JarrahTree, all templates are by definition in the scope of WikiProject Templates. For more elaboration on the topic, see this TfD discussion from 2010. —andrybak (talk) 09:21, 29 June 2023 (UTC)
- the whole thing is due to the commencement of the australian transport project - which involved seeking out and checking transport related topics of oz - in some cases the many templates used in transport material failed to have state/topic tag added - and thats how it started - the project has scratched the surface of the larger range of eligible candidates for the transport tagging so far... JarrahTree 08:50, 29 June 2023 (UTC)
Nomination for deletion of Template:Up-arrow/doc
Template:Up-arrow/doc has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the entry on the Templates for discussion page. Rjjiii (talk) 05:58, 8 August 2023 (UTC)
Sir, your edits broke categorization on subpages. I’ve fixed 3 of them. I.e. https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template%3AWikipedias_in_Uralic_languages&diff=1177692883&oldid=1141571067 Joseph (talk) 07:16, 29 September 2023 (UTC)
- Hello, Joseph. Thank you for messaging me about this issue.
- Categorizing articles using templates like this is discouraged. Mainly because it leads too easily to miscategorization. Such indirection in categorization also makes it harder for editors (and bots) to track down the categorizations, when they need to be adjusted (due to category renaming, merging, deletion, etc).
- Using explicit categorization is recommended instead. This is documented in the guidelines at Wikipedia:Categorization#Categorization using templates. —andrybak (talk) 12:29, 30 September 2023 (UTC)
CfD nomination at Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2023 October 1 § Category:WikiProject X members
A category or categories you have created have been nominated for possible deletion, merging, or renaming. A discussion is taking place to decide whether this proposal complies with the categorization guidelines. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2023 October 1 § Category:WikiProject X members on the categories for discussion page. Thank you. Qwerfjkltalk 09:34, 2 October 2023 (UTC)
A tag has been placed on Category:Television series by genre fan user templates indicating that it is currently empty, and is not a disambiguation category, a category redirect, a featured topics category, under discussion at Categories for discussion, or a project category that by its nature may become empty on occasion. If it remains empty for seven days or more, it may be deleted under section C1 of the criteria for speedy deletion.
If you think this page should not be deleted for this reason you may contest the nomination by visiting the page and removing the speedy deletion tag. Liz Read! Talk! 21:18, 6 October 2023 (UTC)
Nomination for deletion of Template:2023 Rugby World Cup pool stage key
Template:2023 Rugby World Cup pool stage key has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the entry on the Templates for discussion page. Gonnym (talk) 18:01, 7 October 2023 (UTC)
"participant of" is suboptimal grammar
As I have been cleaning up userboxes, I have noticed a few edits like this one, in which you changed "member of" to "participant of". The phrasing "participant in" makes more sense. Also, in that edit, you did not change the actual category, which is the point of the CFD. I don't think that the CFD contained any consensus about the wording used by individual WikiProjects to describe their members/participants/flunkies, so I have been leaving that wording for WikiProjects to decide for themselves, or for an RFC. – Jonesey95 (talk) 23:39, 18 October 2023 (UTC)