Talk:Yang Yang (speed skater, born 1977)
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Latest comment: 6 years ago by Dekimasu in topic Requested move 31 January 2018
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Yang Yang (A) and Yang Yang (S) are written in different way in simplified Chinese characters. Isn't it weird? Is it correct?? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.114.243.128 (talk) 14:41, 27 February 2010 (UTC)
Requested move 3 February 2015 edit
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The result of the move request was: not moved. The (A) and (S) appear to be real world usage, so no clear consensus that the proposed titles are an improvement. Number 57 11:15, 12 February 2015 (UTC)
- Yang Yang (S) → Yang Yang (speed skater, born 1977)
- Yang Yang (A) → Yang Yang (speed skater, born 1976)
– This is not the Winter Olympics wiki, there are many other Yang Yang's on Wikipedia, almost nobody would know what the "A" or "S" disambiguators are, unless they read their articles. Timmyshin (talk) 17:57, 3 February 2015 (UTC)
- Support - uncontroversial move. In ictu oculi (talk) 00:49, 4 February 2015 (UTC)
- Apparently not uncontroversial, see below, however still support, as titles have to have some degree of recognizability to non-experts and the proposed title tells the uninformed reader (me) what the distinction is among the many Yang Yang who show up in the autofill box. "(A)" could mean anything. In ictu oculi (talk) 06:42, 4 February 2015 (UTC)
- It however, does not indicate the common names as found in sports reporting, which uses "(A)" and "(S)", so does not help identify the person you're looking at in sporting results, so does not help non-experts identify who is who, since non-experts would I would presume be reading sports results. -- 65.94.40.137 (talk) 07:34, 4 February 2015 (UTC)
- Apparently not uncontroversial, see below, however still support, as titles have to have some degree of recognizability to non-experts and the proposed title tells the uninformed reader (me) what the distinction is among the many Yang Yang who show up in the autofill box. "(A)" could mean anything. In ictu oculi (talk) 06:42, 4 February 2015 (UTC)
- Oppose the world knows them as "Yang Yang (S)" and "Yang Yang (A)" because that is how they appeared in sports results in the real world. the "(A)" and "(S)" are not Wikipedia disambiguation, they are used in the real world, therefore fall under WP:NATURALDAB ; however the proposed title should exist as redirects. -- 65.94.40.137 (talk) 05:37, 4 February 2015 (UTC)
- Comment It doesn't matter what "(A)" and "(S)" stand for, since they are used as is in the real world, what they stand for is immaterial to their being used in the real world as part of these two skater's names as seen in sporting events and standings. It's the same as having an initial for a middle name occurring in the press, it doesn't matter what the initial stands for, it's part of the identification of the person. For example "Micheal J. Fox" is "Michal J. Fox" and it doesn't matter what "J." means (in actuality, it has no meaning, it was required by SAG to distinguish between other Micheal Foxes); -- 65.94.40.137 (talk) 07:37, 4 February 2015 (UTC)
- Point taken, but it's not a good comparison. "Michael J. Fox" is always known as "Michael J. Fox", how many times have you seen him referred as simply "Michael Fox"? On the other hand, if you Google "Yang Yang" + speedskating, how many results do you see the letters "A" or "S" after the name? Timmyshin (talk) 17:45, 6 February 2015 (UTC)
- Somewhat support but... Question! Their names are spelled differently in Chinese (楊 陽 vs 扬 杨), but transliterated the same in English. Is there a way to use this somehow as a disambiguation? (, speedskater, born...) is just so long. I don't know a thing about Chinese transliteration to know if this could be accomplished. Wikimandia (talk) 15:22, 8 February 2015 (UTC)
- Oppose Not only does the English-speaking world generally know them by A and S, Yang Yang (A) considers the A part of her identity. I think we ought to respect that. _dk (talk) 22:46, 8 February 2015 (UTC)
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Requested move 31 January 2018 edit
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The result of the move request was: consensus to move the pages, per the discussion below. Dekimasuよ! 06:31, 7 February 2018 (UTC)
- Yang Yang (S) → Yang Yang (speed skater, born 1977)
- Yang Yang (A) → Yang Yang (speed skater, born 1976)
– The last RM did not succeed because some people argued (A) and (S) appear to be real world usage. I reluctantly accept the argument that speed skating buffs will instantly recognize (A) and (S), but please consider this: since her retirement the older skater, (A), has been much more than just a speed skater. She is an elected International Olympic Committee member, Laureus World Sports Academy Member, International Skating Union (ISU) Council member and apparently the (A) is not used on either Olympic.org or Laureus.com or isu.org. In China, she is also Chairperson of IOC Athletes' Commission for Beijing 2022, Vice Chairperson of All-China Youth Federation, and a member of the 11th National People's Congress. The English-language reports for her in these contexts almost never mention her as "Yang Yang (A)". As I argued 3 years ago, (A) and (S) appear infrequently in English-language media reports and are, at the very least, too confusing for non-specialists as disambiguators. Timmyshin (talk) 06:12, 31 January 2018 (UTC)
- Support cannot understand why the RM did not pass two years ago, it's clear that (S) for xiao and (A) for lao are completely opaque to anyone not already very familiar with the "in universe" style of skating listings, and those readers are served by the redirects. The retirement of the older skater is a good additional reason, but WP:CRITERIA should have been enough last time. @Timmyshin: well presented RM, same for the Ambassador one; user-friendly. Thanks. In ictu oculi (talk) 09:01, 31 January 2018 (UTC)
- Support. Actually understandable. -- Necrothesp (talk) 13:55, 31 January 2018 (UTC)
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