Talk:Wonderful Pretty Cure!

Friendly “Tact” or “Wand”?

So, according to Crunchyroll, that they are referring the Friendly Tact as a “wand”, despite referring Delicious Party’s Party Candle Tact as a “tact”, and it’s 8th episode title translating Oishina Town as “Delicious Town”, but still uses said original name for the subtitles. In addition, I heard Crunchyroll is using artificial intelligence for their subtitles 2600:8801:42A:D200:566:36E4:9F2C:F930 (talk) 15:58, 11 March 2024 (UTC)

So, I searched up and turns out Crunchyroll isn’t using AI on subtitles. In addition, I think you are referring the changes to the episode descriptions; apparently Crunchyroll is referring Tropical-Rouge’s Grand Ocean as “Gran Ocean” for both episode titles and subtitles, despite articles covering the series still referring it by the said original name for the character descriptions and episode descriptions. With this, it seems that this discussion would be over implanting the word “tact” over “wand” for episode descriptions.

Edit: The episode description edits are implanted; although we’ll see if other users here will accept the name changes. 2600:8801:42A:D200:91C:B86B:63BC:8F19 (talk) 06:11, 23 March 2024 (UTC)

Requested move 21 May 2024

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: no consensus. (closed by non-admin page mover) BilledMammal (talk) 21:35, 16 June 2024 (UTC)

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• Wonderful Pretty Cure! → Wonderful Precure!
• List of Wonderful Pretty Cure! episodes → List of Wonderful Precure! episodes

– Crunchyroll's official title. [1] HelloYu0910 (talk) 08:26, 21 May 2024 (UTC) — Relisting. BilledMammal (talk) 10:33, 28 May 2024 (UTC) — Relisting. BilledMammal (talk) 08:00, 6 June 2024 (UTC)

The wiki fandom has named it Wonderful Pretty Cure! Even the Soaring Sky! Pretty Cure is named pretty cure. Even though it's named Soaring Sky! PreCure on Crunchyroll Anime1990 (talk) 23:21, 21 May 2024 (UTC)

Besides PreCure is a short name for Pretty Cure Anime1990 (talk) 23:53, 21 May 2024 (UTC)

A lot of the previous Pretty Cure series are named Pretty Cure even though it's called PreCure Anime1990 (talk) 00:03, 22 May 2024 (UTC)

Fandom wiki is not a reliable source. HelloYu0910 (talk) 13:27, 22 May 2024 (UTC)

According to the Google search, the result number under "Wonderful Precure!" is 7,180,000 [2] As for "Wonderful Pretty Cure!", the result number is 68,800,000 [3]. Beside that, the logo on the original title also have "Wonderful Precure!" as its' English title. HelloYu0910 (talk) 13:43, 22 May 2024 (UTC)

Extended back and forther between HelloYu0910 and Anime1990; collapsed to make it easier for uninvolved editors to participate. BilledMammal (talk) 08:02, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
The following discussion has been closed. Please do not modify it.
When you translate the Japanese word it says Wonderful Pretty Cure not Precure Anime1990 (talk) 13:47, 22 May 2024 (UTC) all the PreCure series are called pretty cure from 2020 to present. Here is the link https://en.m.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Pretty_Cure&wprov=rarw1 Anime1990 (talk) 13:57, 22 May 2024 (UTC) PreCure is just a shortened word for Pretty Cure so it's real name should be Pretty Cure Anime1990 (talk) 14:03, 22 May 2024 (UTC) Then, it turn back to the original problem once again. "Wonderful Precure!" is the official Toei Animation's title and Crunchyroll's title. Translating "Precure" to "Pretty Cure" still doesn't change the fact that it still the official name of Toei Animation and Crunchyroll. For Healin' Good, Tropical-Rouge and Delicious Party, the Toei Animation USA use "Pretty Cure" [4], so those are not necessary to change, base on the fact that the company use "Pretty Cure" on those series. As for the Soaring Sky, Wonderful and the other series, Toei Animation USA still used "Precure" as the title [5]. HelloYu0910 (talk) 14:10, 22 May 2024 (UTC) All the picture of PreCure series from 2020 are called PreCure but are called pretty cure in Wiki so you don't need to move it back to PreCure. Unless you want to change all the pretty cure series to precure. One guy tried to change the Soaring Sky Pretty Cure to PreCure even though Crunchyroll named it soaring sky precure but was reverted back to pretty cure Anime1990 (talk) 14:37, 22 May 2024 (UTC) Then, it should be changed. First, the Precure series from 2020 to 2022 are using "Pretty Cure" as the title, but for 2023 and 2024, it revert back using "Precure" as the title [6]. Second, where did see the rename edit of "Soaring Sky!"? I try to search up for it, but I just cannot find the edit. HelloYu0910 (talk) 20:46, 22 May 2024 (UTC) It was a long time ago and didn't transfer the history of the page edit. Delicious Party Pretty Cure was named Pretty cure in IMDB https://m.imdb.com/title/tt18246604/ but says original title should be PreCure. Same for Tropical- Rouge Pretty Cure it was named Pretty Cure in IMDB https://m.imdb.com/title/tt13721276/ but says original title should be PreCure. If you click on Pretty Cure https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pretty_Cure it says this "The Pretty Cure series (プリキュアシリーズ, Purikyua Shirīzu, also titled PreCure)" Anime1990 (talk) 23:41, 22 May 2024 (UTC) I think you get it wrong, I'm not talking about the English title in the Japanese logo, the source of this website is the official Toei Animation USA website. Besides, IMDB is also not a reliable source, due to the fact that it's user-generated. HelloYu0910 (talk) 05:17, 23 May 2024 (UTC) This person BaldiBasicFan redirected Soaring Sky! PreCure to Pretty Cure from the edit history https://en.m.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Soaring_Sky!_Pretty_Cure&action=history&offset=20230108201550%7C1132421128&limit=500 He also did it for Wonderful PreCure here the link https://en.m.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wonderful_Pretty_Cure!&action=history&offset=20240110025349%7C1194657604&limit=500 16 Dec 2023 the next user cancelled his redirect Anime1990 (talk) 14:38, 23 May 2024 (UTC) If you look at the external links at both Soaring Sky! Pretty Cure and Wonderful Pretty Cure They are both named Pretty Cure even though Anime News Network names them PreCure. Anime1990 (talk) 14:49, 23 May 2024 (UTC) if you go to this website https://www.toei-animation-usa.com/pretty-cure.html it only shows that only 4 Pretty Cure series are named Pretty Cure (HUG! Pretty Cure, Healin' Good Pretty Cure, Tropical-Rouge! Pretty Cure, Delicious Party Pretty Cure) even though wikipedia named the first series Pretty Cure. Anime1990 (talk) 15:12, 23 May 2024 (UTC) Some have alternative titles saying Pretty Cure. The USA Toei has not named the Wonderful Pretty Cure (PreCure) in the list yet. Anime1990 (talk) 15:20, 23 May 2024 (UTC) I really wish Toei sticks to one name because there are sometimes argues in the talk pages like this talk page in Soaring Sky Pretty Cure talking about redirecting to PreCure. Here is the link https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Soaring_Sky!_Pretty_Cure Anime1990 (talk) 15:29, 23 May 2024 (UTC) About the redirection, it is completely normal to redirect when there is no info about the new Precure series [7][8][9]. HelloYu0910 (talk) 22:10, 23 May 2024 (UTC) look at Blackgaia he/she removed the redirect Pretty Cure from Wonderful PreCure https://en.m.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wonderful_Pretty_Cure!&diff=prev&oldid=1194067761&title=Wonderful_Pretty_Cure%21&diffonly=1 He/she also removed the redirect Pretty Cure from Soaring Sky PreCure https://en.m.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Soaring_Sky!_Pretty_Cure&diff=prev&oldid=1132258389&title=Soaring_Sky%21_Pretty_Cure&diffonly=1 but named the title of the image Soaring Sky Pretty Cure I think BaldiBasicFan the PreCure should be called Pretty Cure because the Franchise name of the series are called Pretty Cure that was created in Wikipedia Article. I watch the series and they call the characters PreCure with english subtitles in the films. Anime1990 (talk) 23:20, 23 May 2024 (UTC) What do you mean? I don't quite understand what you mean... HelloYu0910 (talk) 03:17, 24 May 2024 (UTC) The Mascots for Pretty Cure call the girls PreCure not Pretty Cure. Anime1990 (talk) 06:16, 24 May 2024 (UTC) Yeah, and...? HelloYu0910 (talk) 08:25, 27 May 2024 (UTC) Usually we name Pretty Cure series by the franchise name Pretty Cure not the the Toei name PreCure Anime1990 (talk) 15:05, 27 May 2024 (UTC) Stick to the suggested title by Toei. Period. We don't need this long, totally hard to understand bs. And no, you cannot use fan sources are sources. This violates several wikipedia policies alone. This is why I never like fans like these. BlackGaia02 (talkpage if you dare) (talk) 13:05, 28 May 2024 (UTC) then we have to move Soaring Sky Pretty Cure to PreCure because toe name for Soaring Sky is PreCure not Pretty Cure. But the USA Toei has no name for Wonderful PreCure (Pretty Cure) yet so we have to wait and see. Anime1990 (talk) 13:56, 28 May 2024 (UTC) The naming of the shows IS your problem, not everyone else. Please drop the useless and baseless reasoning. BlackGaia02 (talkpage if you dare) (talk) 14:22, 29 May 2024 (UTC) But you are the one who named Soaring Sky Pretty Cure when the page is out.https://en.m.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Soaring_Sky!_Pretty_Cure&diff=prev&oldid=1132258389&title=Soaring_Sky%21_Pretty_Cure&diffonly=1 But the toei says PreCure for Soaring sky Pretty Cure series I even tried translating the Japanese word it says PreCure for Soaring Sky PreCure For Wonderful PreCure it says Pretty Cure even the external link says Wonderful Pretty Cure to Anime News Network Wonderful Pretty Cure! (anime) at Anime News Network's encyclopedia Anime1990 (talk) 15:38, 29 May 2024 (UTC) the title never changed but the info box of series changed to PreCure for Soaring Sky Anime1990 (talk) 15:45, 29 May 2024 (UTC) usually Toei gives 2 names for PreCure series (Pretty Cure) Right know toei has 1 name for Wonderful Pretty Cure (PreCure). Anime1990 (talk) 15:54, 29 May 2024 (UTC) First, just change "Soaring Sky! Pretty Cure" to "SOARING SKY! PRECURE", it is not that difficult, and can easily do it in 10 secs. Second, the official name for Wonderful is either "WonderfulPrecure!" by the logo of the series [10], or "Wonderful Precure!" which is Crunchyroll's official title [11]. I think it's pretty clear that it should be change, and there's still some series that need to change. Futari wa Pretty Cure → PreCure Futari wa Pretty Cure Splash Star → PreCure Splash Star HeartCatch PreCure! → Heart Catch PreCure HappinessCharge Pretty Cure! → Happiness Charge PreCure! Witchy Pretty Cure! → Witchy PreCure! Kirakira Pretty Cure a la Mode → KiraKira PreCure a la Mode Soaring Sky! Pretty Cure → SOARING SKY! PRECURE Wonderful Pretty Cure! → WonderfulPrecure! / Wonderful Precure! Name Sources: Official Toei Animation USA - Precure Website Crunchyroll - Wonderful Precure! WonderfulPrecure! Logo HelloYu0910 (talk) 08:52, 30 May 2024 (UTC) Some of the PreCure series have 2 Names one is an alternative name which some are called Pretty Cure Go to this website https://www.toei-animation-usa.com/pretty-cure.html the first Pretty Cure series is called Pretty Cure until Soaring Sky is called PreCure. I am talking about the beautiful logos that use Pretty Cure not the PreCure that is black. Anime1990 (talk) 09:14, 30 May 2024 (UTC) To be honest, just stick with the title under the logo. And also, the list that I made were those that a need to change. I have search though all Precure page, and list any series which doesn't match the Toei's official name. HelloYu0910 (talk) 09:39, 30 May 2024 (UTC) You could change the name in ten seconds, but do so without consensus would be wrong. I have to agree with @User:Blackgaia02 100% here. I see no reason for a change at this time. Besides, some of the changes you are proposing, in page name changes, would lead to further confusion. Historyday01 (talk) 13:08, 30 May 2024 (UTC) @Historyday01 Wait, did I mistaken @Blackgaia02's message or something? I just want to point out the fact that the title of Precure pages isn't the same title as the official one [12], and I'm suggesting to change it, that's all I wanted to point out. HelloYu0910 (talk) 13:30, 30 May 2024 (UTC) That page is very inconsistent, however, as some are described as "Pretty Cure" (including a few you proposed to change, rather than "PreCure", with the term "Pretty Cure" used at least 30 times on the page itself, including in reference to HUG! Pretty Cure, Tropical-Rouge! Pretty Cure, Healin' Good Pretty Cure, Delicious Party Pretty Cure, and Pretty Cure All Stars, among others). Furthermore, one source (and one webpage at that) isn't enough to justify changing a whole bunch of pages on here. The sources you listed before, specifically the logo for Wonderful! Pretty Cure and the Crunchyroll page for that series aren't enough either.Historyday01 (talk) 14:42, 30 May 2024 (UTC) I agree with Historyday01 but wanted to make HelloYu0910 happy by changing the article name saying that you have to move pages to have new article name. Anime1990 (talk) 16:44, 30 May 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose Renaming one series should be made to be consistent with the entire Pretty Cure/Precure franchise. An RM should extend to all of them and establish that Precure is the common name of the franchise and whatever exceptions need to be made. Each article's body text would require updating to reflect any name changes and also list the unshortened name. ― Synpath 23:01, 30 May 2024 (UTC)

  I agree with this. Having one page change its name would create inconsistencies. Historyday01 (talk) 14:17, 6 June 2024 (UTC)

• Support based on WP:COMMONNAME used by reliable English sources. "Wonderful PreCure" is the name used by Crunchyroll,[13][14] Anime News Network,[15][16] Comic Book Resources,[17] Otaku USA,[18] and Time of India.[19] I have not found a single reliable English language source that uses "Wonderful Pretty Cure" as the English title. All the hits that do come up are user-generated forums and wikis and unscrupulous retail sites selling potentially bootleg items. Finally, what titles the other series use should depend on what reliable English-language sources use. For some, that would be Pretty Cure. For most of the rest, it will be PreCure. There is no requirement to arbitrarily dictate a consistent naming convention for all franchise series articles, especially when reliable English-language sources use no consistent naming convention from series to series. 216.30.147.90 (talk) 23:30, 30 May 2024 (UTC)

  I am sure @HelloYu0910 wanted to have consistent naming for Pretty Cure series even if we have to change some Pretty Cure to PreCure we might have to the change the franchise name of Pretty Cure to PreCure to make it consistent and the characters title of Pretty Cure to PreCure. Anime1990 (talk) 05:37, 3 June 2024 (UTC)

  @Anime1990 I think you get the wrong idea. I actually just simply want to let Precure series matches it official title, and that is what I want to talk about for a very long time. HelloYu0910 (talk) 08:37, 3 June 2024 (UTC)

Extended back and forther between HelloYu0910 and Anime1990; collapsed to make it easier for uninvolved editors to participate. BilledMammal (talk) 08:02, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
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You cannot change the article title unless u move the article which will cause confusion in the the series list. So I agree with @Historyday01 and @Synpath that all series don't need to be changed. Anime1990 (talk) 10:05, 3 June 2024 (UTC) I mean move the page to its' official title, just like what @216.30.147.90 stated, "Finally, what titles the other series use should depend on what reliable English-language sources use. For some, that would be Pretty Cure. For most of the rest, it will be PreCure. There is no requirement to arbitrarily dictate a consistent naming convention for all franchise series articles, especially when reliable English-language sources use no consistent naming convention from series to series.". HelloYu0910 (talk) 12:43, 3 June 2024 (UTC) That comment was based on WP:COMMONNAME, and I totally agree because of: 1. It is an undeniable fact that the title, "Wonderful Precure!" , has been used all across reliable English language source. 2. You didn't have any reliable source to support your argument. HelloYu0910 (talk) 12:58, 3 June 2024 (UTC) But you said to move these series to PreCure I think it's pretty clear that it should be change, and there's still some series that need to change. Futari wa Pretty Cure → PreCure Futari wa Pretty Cure Splash Star → PreCure Splash Star HeartCatch PreCure! → Heart Catch PreCure HappinessCharge Pretty Cure! → Happiness Charge PreCure! Witchy Pretty Cure! → Witchy PreCure! Kirakira Pretty Cure a la Mode → KiraKira PreCure a la Mode Soaring Sky! Pretty Cure → SOARING SKY! PRECURE Wonderful Pretty Cure! → WonderfulPrecure! / Wonderful Precure! A lot of people don't want to change it I even tried to move soaring sky pretty cure to PreCure but got reverted back to pretty cure. Anime1990 (talk) 13:01, 3 June 2024 (UTC) Because those are "official title". And those aren't going to prove that I'm going to move the entire series to "Precure". Some of the title keep "Pretty Cure" as the official title, so that's why I didn't list those to the list. HelloYu0910 (talk) 13:08, 3 June 2024 (UTC) A lot the movie titles of Pretty Cure All Stars are called Pretty Cure not PreCure. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Pretty_Cure_films We usually name it on the franchise name and the franchise name is Pretty Cure. Anime1990 (talk) 13:18, 3 June 2024 (UTC) It would seem strange to make some PreCure and others "Pretty Cure." Honestly, unless there are lots of sources showing it to be "PreCure" rather than "Pretty Cure", I'm not changing my previous comments here. In this way, I agree with HelloYu0910 here. Historyday01 (talk) 13:21, 3 June 2024 (UTC) Then should we change them to PreCure I know the first Pretty Cure series is called Pretty Cure not PreCure. Here is the list from anime news network https://www.animenewsnetwork.com/encyclopedia/anime.php?id=25076 Soaring Sky! Pretty Cure is called Pretty Cure and alternative name used PreCure. Anime1990 (talk) 13:30, 3 June 2024 (UTC) I am sure @Synpath wants to use a consistent name for Pretty Cure / PreCure. Anime1990 (talk) 13:35, 3 June 2024 (UTC) @Historyday01Do you agree that we should change Wonderful Pretty Cure back to Precure and the episode list also.Anime1990 (talk) 13:38, 3 June 2024 (UTC) Since there is a tie right know @Synpath oppose the move and 216.30.147.90 support the move. Anime1990 (talk) 13:43, 3 June 2024 (UTC) I oppose the proposed move of Wonderful Pretty Cure to Wonderful PreCure. Additionally, the ANN encyclopedia isn't a reliable source. As it states on WP:A&M/ORS "Do not cite the user-edited encyclopedia database." Historyday01 (talk) 13:52, 3 June 2024 (UTC) But they use anime new network in the external links. Anime1990 (talk) 14:46, 3 June 2024 (UTC) I oppose the move also so who can close this request saying don't move article. Anime1990 (talk) 13:16, 5 June 2024 (UTC) More sources to prove that "Wonderful Precure!" is official title: [20] [21][22][23][24][25] [26][27][28][29][30][31][32][33][34][35][36][37][38] [39] [40][41] [42] Extra For "Delicious Party Pretty Cure", [43] [44] [45]. All from Toei Animation's official instrgram [46]. That's sure enough, right? HelloYu0910 (talk) 14:03, 5 June 2024 (UTC) Prime Video's Source: [47] HelloYu0910 (talk) 14:13, 5 June 2024 (UTC) You have 3 that oppose the move and only 2 that supports the move so don't move the page Anime1990 (talk) 15:31, 5 June 2024 (UTC) Look at this talk page in Soaring Sky! Pretty Cure Talk:Soaring Sky! Pretty Cure#Precure or Pretty Cure? They wanted to keep it as Pretty Cure for Soaring Sky. Anime1990 (talk) 15:50, 5 June 2024 (UTC) One of the users said this Anime1990 (talk) 15:56, 5 June 2024 (UTC) Precure is the shortened form of Pretty Cure, AFAIK, so I would say keep Pretty Cure for now. -- of the Starlit Sky 14:21, 10 April 2023 (UTC) Sources? HelloYu0910 (talk) 16:25, 5 June 2024 (UTC) A lot of people know that PreCure and Pretty Cure are the same so they don't want to move it and the Pretty Cure franchise says it's also called PreCure. The Pretty Cure series (プリキュアシリーズ, Purikyua Shirīzu, also titled PreCure) from this site: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pretty_Cure so don't need to move it Anime1990 (talk) 23:27, 5 June 2024 (UTC) they usually don't name the Pretty Cure series from Toei naming but the Pretty Cure franchise name listed in wikipedia. Anime1990 (talk) 23:31, 5 June 2024 (UTC) You still haven't give any reliable sources to support your argument. All you said was only based on other users. "They usually don't name the Pretty Cure series from Toei naming.", then it need to be change. HelloYu0910 (talk) 06:24, 6 June 2024 (UTC) @Historyday01 has not given any sources too but wants to keep it as Wonderful Pretty Cure! Anime1990 (talk) 06:46, 6 June 2024 (UTC)

Relisting comment: Relisting for additional participation; Anime1990 and HelloYu0910 I suggest you step back from this discussion, to allow others the chance to participate. BilledMammal (talk) 08:00, 6 June 2024 (UTC)

I have to agree. My view on not changing the name remains the same as it was in that previous discussion. The sources cited above include unreliable sources and I'm not convinced that "PreCure" is the common name. Historyday01 (talk) 14:16, 6 June 2024 (UTC)

You claim that you don't believe any of the English-language sources I posted above are reliable, what is your evidence and what reliable English-language sources do you have to support your claim that "Wonderful Pretty Cure" is the common English name? Secondly, if the series is inconsistent between using "Pretty Cure" or "PreCure" in its English language titles, that is not something for Wikipedia to "correct". Article titles should follow WP:COMMONNAME, even if there is inconsistency from series to series. And using "Wonderful Pretty Cure" for the sake of "consistency" when no reliable English-language sources uses that title is a violation of WP:NOR. You are inventing a title based purely on your personal preference and not because it is the title used by reliable English-language sources. 216.30.147.90 (talk) 14:33, 9 June 2024 (UTC)

Look at this link https://www.toei-animation-usa.com/pretty-cure.html it says pretty cure between / and .html that is why Wikipedia called the franchise name Pretty Cure Anime9000 (talk) 15:57, 9 June 2024 (UTC)

Anime News Network is not reliable source as @Historyday01 said this: Additionally, the ANN encyclopedia isn't a reliable source. As it states on WP:A&M/ORS "Do not cite the user-edited encyclopedia database" Anime9000 (talk) 16:06, 9 June 2024 (UTC)

WP:OR.

About ANN is not reliable source, it is only because you gived encyclopedia link not news. HelloYu0910 (talk) 16:08, 9 June 2024 (UTC)

For exmaple,

[48] is a news which is fine, consider WP:ANIMENEWSNETWORK said so.

As for the encyclopedia, due to WP:ANIMENEWSNETWORK said "Do not cite the user-edited encyclopedia database or any articles marked as advertorial.", which lend to news is an reliable source while encyclopedia database not. HelloYu0910 (talk) 16:17, 9 June 2024 (UTC)

I only see "Wonderful Precure!" on the page you linked. Yes, the franchise as a whole is called "Pretty Cure" in English, but the use of "Pretty Cure" and "Precure" is inconsistent, even on the official website. Therefore, article titles should be based on which version of the name is used by reliable English-language sources and not on personal preference. Changing all names to be consistent, even when it is not the WP:COMMONNAME, is not an improvement of the encyclopedia. Secondly, ANN's news and review section is a reliable source and has withstood multiple WP:RS/N and project discussions. Only the encyclopedia section is deemed unreliable due to being based on user generated content. 216.30.147.90 (talk) 16:22, 9 June 2024 (UTC)

Honestly, my main issue is that if you name one page "PreCure" and the others "Pretty Cure", it creates inconsistency. I think there should be a RfC on Talk:Pretty Cure instead about whether to use "PreCure" or "Pretty Cure". My personal preference doesn't matter here. Otherwise, it seems we are going in circles are not going anywhere, and the same people are discussing it without those from outside this discussion, which is unfortunate. Historyday01 (talk) 16:22, 9 June 2024 (UTC)

The "inconsistency" of the titles aren't a problem. And we shouldn't be inventing titles just to make things "consistent" when those titles aren't used by reliable English=language sources per WP:COMMONNAME. Policy and guidelines trumps personal preferences with regards to article titles and content. And your expressed desire for "consistency" with article where none exists in reliable English-language sources is a personal preference. 216.30.147.90 (talk) 16:28, 9 June 2024 (UTC)

I don't disagree with you that existing sources can be inconsistent in their use of PreCure and Pretty Cure, as the Toei Animation page on the series makes that clear. At the same time, I'd also say that means even more than this should be decided in a way that effects ALL the Pretty Cure pages (this is what @― Synpath said earlier, which noting: "An RM should extend to all of them and establish that Precure is the common name of the franchise and whatever exceptions need to be made. Each article's body text would require updating to reflect any name changes and also list the unshortened name"), no just one. A requested move or RfC would work. In terms of personal preference, I will say that I don't personally care which one is used (when I said "I'm not convinced that "PreCure" is the common name" I was basing that on the sources which have been cited in this discussion, not elsewhere). Instead, I'd like to be done in the right way... I did attempt to get more people to comment on this discussion by posting on relevant projects, although I'm not sure that worked. Historyday01 (talk) 16:32, 9 June 2024 (UTC)

If there is to be a consistent standard applied to all articles within the franchise, it should be, "The title should reflect the WP:COMMONNAME as used by reliable English-language sources, whether that be 'PreCure' or 'Pretty Cure'." Whether that leads to different titles being used between different articles within the franchise is not a problem so long Wikipedia's policy and guidelines are followed. Trying to invent novel titles for the sake of consistency is not an improvement of the encyclopedia. 216.30.147.90 (talk) 16:41, 9 June 2024 (UTC)

LOL. I'm not trying to invent anything, I just think it would cause confusion to have different titles within the same franchise. If you truly believe that there are reliable English-language sources which show "Wonderful PreCure" is the preferred name, please provide them, because the ones I have seen so far are wholly inadequate. Historyday01 (talk) 19:03, 9 June 2024 (UTC)

I already gave a number of links to reliable English-language sources using the title "Wonderful PreCure" for the series title, yet you still refuse to accept any of them. I've also looked and have yet to find a single reliable English-language source using the title "Wonderful Pretty Cure". The best I can manage are places quoting Wikipedia and bootleg sellers. If you believe that "Wonderful Pretty Cure" is the common name, do provide a number of sources supporting it. Otherwise "Wonderful Pretty Cure" is nothing more than an invented title based on original research, specifically WP:SYNTH. 216.30.147.90 (talk) 20:54, 9 June 2024 (UTC)

Arbitrary break

The same can be said to Soaring Sky Pretty Cure because it's named PreCure in Toei Animation website but no one wants to move it PreCure even @Historyday01 doesn't agree with the move Anime9000 (talk) 00:55, 11 June 2024 (UTC)

A lot of the Pretty Cure All Stars movies in Wikipedia from this link: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pretty_Cure_All_Stars does not follow the WP:COMMONNAME based on this link: https://www.toei-animation-usa.com/pretty-cure.html at the bottom of the page except for the one that was released in 2016 called PRETTY CURE ALL STARS

SING TOGETHER MIRACLE MAGIC Anime9000 (talk) 16:44, 9 June 2024 (UTC)

I said it once, said it twice, and many times already. But, here, I will just repeat it again, just change it if it doesn't based on WP:COMMONNAME. Not hard at all. HelloYu0910 (talk) 17:09, 9 June 2024 (UTC)

But if someone changes it will get changed back to Pretty Cure Anime9000 (talk) 17:13, 9 June 2024 (UTC)

Chief among them @Historyday01, who moved a number of Precure articles to "Pretty Cure" during the course of this discussion in assert their personal preference for "consistency" rather than based on the title used by reliable English-language sources. All of those other moves should be undone. 216.30.147.90 (talk) 17:26, 9 June 2024 (UTC)

Again, it wasn't about a "personal preference," I moved them because it seemed wrong to have ONE page be different, and the fact that the page move was done without any discussion. I stand by my move and wouldn't do it any differently. We need to have a discussion about ALL the Pretty Cure pages, not just this one. To move this one, and NOT the others, without a discussion, would be inconsistent. The last thing we want to do is confuse people reading these pages. Historyday01 (talk) 19:01, 9 June 2024 (UTC)

"I moved them because it seemed wrong to have ONE page be different,"

That is a personal preference and one not supported by Wikipedia policies, guidelines, or reliable English-langauge sources. 216.30.147.90 (talk) 20:56, 9 June 2024 (UTC)

Note: For all participants here, specifically @216.30.147.90, @HelloYu0910, @―Synpath, @HelloYu0910, @User:Blackgaia02, @Shadow, and @BilledMammal, I have posted a RfC at Talk:Pretty Cure#"Pretty Cure" or "PreCure"?, asking for comments on whether to use Pretty Cure or PreCure for all related pages, based on the above discussion. I see no point in participating in this specific discussion again, as it is going in circles, and I will not be changing my opinion either.--Historyday01 (talk) 20:06, 9 June 2024 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Italics

Why is the opening paragraph in Italic? I tried to fix it but I don't think it worked. 2601:547:CC80:4F00:248C:67D2:B55E:6F5F (talk) 20:13, 8 June 2024 (UTC)

There was an extra ' 182.239.93.153 (talk) 02:08, 9 June 2024 (UTC)

Okay. I didn't notice. 2601:547:CC80:4F00:FC8A:DF36:C6F3:F121 (talk) 11:58, 9 June 2024 (UTC)

Topic about their own movie

So Toei just announced that they will have their own movie titled Wonderful Precure The Movie! Doki Doki ♡ Grand Adventure in the Game World! (in Japanese is called わんだふるぷりきゅあ！ざ・むーびー！ ドキドキ♡ゲームの世界で大冒険！ in Kana and Wandafuru Purikyua Za Mūbī! Dokidoki ♡ Gemu no Sekai de Daiboken! according to Hepburn writing). Is it plausible to add it? Nobi-Wiki (talk) 07:32, 26 June 2024 (UTC)

Daifuku

Where did the information about him having Satoru's surname come from? 73.79.229.7 (talk) 12:26, 9 August 2024 (UTC)

Spoilers

I added information about Satoru and Daifuku's forms in the movie, but I am worried that it is too early to add this information since the movie was just released today, even though there are official sources reporting about it. 2601:547:CC80:4F00:F44F:C41:C867:DAE5 (talk) 17:56, 13 September 2024 (UTC)