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the topic is about john the one in charge of raw and smackdown

the date is 4/14/2012 3.21 pm im asking please please get rid of john laranitis sorry my spelling stinks but u no who im talking about he really is letting that job tittle go to his head i get were i don,t care if i watch it anymore because of him hes a lying back staving cowerd they said u made mistakes and to many people were getting hert while u were in charge cut whit john in charge hes making people get hert by his actions teddy does better then him i think teddy needs to be in charge of raw and smack down thank u — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.129.11.175 (talk) 19:37, 14 April 2012 (UTC)

Religion?

I don't know what the man's religion is (if he has one), but several sites out there claim he is Roman Catholic. Is this just speculation based on the McMahon family being Catholic and that he "must have converted" in order to marry Stephanie? *wit woo* — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.20.243.213 (talk) 19:34, 15 April 2012 (UTC)

2000 Face Turn?

The article completely skips HHH's feud with Kurt Angle over Stephanie and his subsequent brief face run (culminating with him being soundly cheered when facing Chris Benoit at No Mercy 2000). I figured that this was pretty important. 86.45.60.35 (talk) 05:00, 27 April 2012 (UTC)

Being cheered doesn't necessarily make you a face, especially in the Attitude Era, but you're right that the love triangle is quite an omission on the page. It's more important to Steph and Kurt but it should be touched upon here. Tony2Times (talk) 10:12, 10 May 2012 (UTC)

moon

The English proper name for Earth's natural satellite is "the Moon".[9][10] The noun moon derives from moone (around 1380), which developed from mone (1135), which derives from Old English mōna (dating from before 725), which, like all Germanic language cognates, ultimately stems from Proto-Germanic *mǣnōn.[11]

The principal modern English adjective pertaining to the Moon is lunar, derived from the Latin Luna. Another less common adjective is selenic, derived from the Ancient Greek Selene (Σελήνη), from which the pricle is about Earth's Moon. For moons in general, see Natural satellite. For other uses, see Moon (disambiguation). The Moon Moon symbol Full moon in the darkness of the night sky. It is patterned with a mix of light-tone regions and darker, irregular blotches, and scattered with varying sizes of impact craters, circles surrounded by out-thrown rays of bright ejecta. Full moon as seen from Earth's northern hemisphere Designations Adjective lunar, selenic Orbital characteristics Perigee 362,570 km (0.0024 AU) (356,400–370,400 km) Apogee 405,410 km (0.0027 AU) (404,000–406,700 km) Semi-major axis 384,399 km (0.00257 AU)[1] Eccentricity 0.0549[1] Orbital period 27.321582 d (27 d 7 h 43.1 min[1]) Synodic period 29.530589 d (29 d 12 h 44 min 2.9 s) Average orbital speed 1.022 km/s Inclination 5.145° to the ecliptic[2] (between 18.29° and 28.58° to Earth's equator)[1] Longitude of ascending node regressing by one revolution in 18.6 years Argument of perigee progressing by one revolution in 8.85 years Satellite of Earth Physical characteristics Mean radius 1,737.10 km (0.273 Earths)[1][3] Equatorial radius 1,738.14 km (0.273 Earths)[3] Polar radius 1,735.97 km (0.273 Earths)[3] Flattening 0.00125 Circumference 10,921 km (equatorial) Surface area 3.793 × 107 km2 (0.074 Earths) Volume 2.1958 × 1010 km3 (0.020 Earths) Mass 7.3477 × 1022 kg (0.0123 Earths[1]) Mean density 3.3464 g/cm3[1] Equatorial surface gravity 1.622 m/s2 (0.165 4 g) Escape velocity 2.38 km/s Sidereal rotation period 27.321582 d (synchronous) Equatorial rotation velocity 4.627 m/s Axial tilt 1.5424° (to ecliptic) 6.687° (to orbit plane)[2] Albedo 0.136[4] Surface temp.

  equator
  85°N[5] 	

min mean max 100 K 220 K 390 K 70 K 130 K 230 K Apparent magnitude −2.5 to −12.9[a] −12.74 (mean full moon)[3] Angular diameter 29.3 to 34.1 arcminutes[3][b] Atmosphere[6][c] Surface pressure 10−7 Pa (day) 10−10 Pa (night) Composition Ar, He, Na, K, H, Rn

The Moon is the only natural satellite of the Earth,[d][7] and the fifth largest satellite in the Solar System. It is the largest natural satellite of a planet in the Solar System relative to the size of its primary, having a quarter the diameter of Earth but only 1⁄81 its mass.[e] The Moon is the second densest satellite after Io, a satellite of Jupiter. It is in synchronous rotation with Earth, always showing the same face with its near side marked by dark volcanic maria that fill between the bright ancient crustal highlands and the prominent impact craters. The Moon is the brightest object in the sky after the Sun, although its surface is actually very dark, with a reflectance similar to that of coal. Its prominence in the sky and its regular cycle of phases have, since ancient times, made the Moon an important cultural influence on language, calendars, art and mythology. The Moon's gravitational influence produces the ocean tides and the minute lengthening of the day. The Moon's current orbital distance, about thirty times the diameter of the Earth, causes it to appear almost the same size in the sky as the Sun, allowing it to cover the Sun nearly precisely in total solar eclipses.

The Moon is the only celestial body other than Earth on which humans have set foot. The Soviet Union's Luna programme was the first to reach the Moon with unmanned spacecraft in 1959; the United States' NASA Apollo program achieved the only manned missions to date, beginning with the first manned lunar orbiting mission by Apollo 8 in 1968, and six manned lunar landings between 1969 and 1972, with the first being Apollo 11. These missions returned over 380 kg of lunar rocks, which have been used to develop a geological understanding of the Moon's origins, the formation of its internal structure, and its subsequent history. It is thought to have formed some 4.5 billion years ago. One formation theory is a giant impact event involving Earth. The impact theory was called into question in 2012, after re-analysis of Apollo samples.[8]

After the Apollo 17 mission in 1972, the Moon has been visited only by unmanned spacecraft, notably by the final Soviet Lunokhod rover. Since 2004, Japan, China, India, the United States, and the European Space Agency have each sent lunar orbiters. These spacecraft have contributed to confirming the discovery of lunar water ice in permanently shadowed craters at the poles and bound into the lunar regolith. Future manned missions to the Moon have been planned, including government as well as privately funded efforts. The Moon remains, under the Outer Space Treaty, free to all nations to explore for peaceful purposes. Evolution of the Moon.ogv The evolution of the Moon and a tour of the Moon. Contents

   1 Name and etymology
   2 Formation
   3 Physical characteristicsefix "seleno-" (as in selenography) is derived.[12]

Formation Main article: Giant impact hypothesis Shrinking, Growing Moon.ogv Explore what the discovery of lunar valleys tells us about the moon's evolution.

Several mechanisms have been proposed for the Moon's formation 4.527 ± 0.010 billion years ago,[f] some 30–50 million years after the origin of the Solar System.[13] These included the fission of the Moon from the Earth's crust through centrifugal force,[14] which would require too great an initial spin of the Earth,[15] the gravitational capture of a pre-formed Moon,[16] which would require an unfeasibly extended atmosphere of the Earth to dissipate the energy of the passing Moon,[15] and the co-formation of the Earth and the Moon together in the primordial accretion disk, which does not explain the depletion of metallic iron in the Moon.[15] These hypotheses also cannot account for the high angular momentum of the Earth–Moon system.[17]

The prevailing hypothesis today is that the Earth–Moon system formed as a result of a giant impact: a Mars-sized body hitting the newly formed proto-Earth, blasting material into orbit around it, which accreted to form the Moon.[18] Giant impacts are thought to have been common in the early Solar System. Computer simulations modelling a giant impact are consistent with measurements of the angular momentum of the Earth–Moon system and the small size of the lunar core; they also show that most of the Moon came from the impactor, not from the proto-Earth.[19] More recent tests suggest more of the Moon coalesced from the Earth and not the impactor.[20][21][22] Meteorites show that other inner Solar System bodies such as Mars and Vesta have very different oxygen and tungsten isotopic compositions to the Earth, while the Earth and Moon have near-identical isotopic compositions. Post-impact mixing of the vaporized material between the forming Earth and Moon could have equalized their isotopic compositions,[23] although this is debated.[24]

The large amount of energy released in the giant impact event and the subsequent reaccretion of material in Earth orbit would have melted the outer shell of the Earth, forming a magma ocean.[25][26] The newly formed Moon would also have had its own lunar magma ocean; estimates for its depth range from about 500 km to the entire radius of the Moon.[25]

Published in 2012, an analysis of titanium isotopes in Apollo lunar samples showed that the Moon has the same composition as the Earth,[8] which conflicts with the moon forming far from Earth's orbit. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ahmed0909 (talk • contribs) 23:01, 21 August 2012 (UTC)

What on 'Earth' does that have to do with Triple H? Kane (talk) 05:44, 2 September 2012 (UTC)

ADITYA JAISWAR

ADITYA JAISWAR Adityajaiswar (talk) 09:51, 7 September 2012 (UTC)

Not done: no changes required. Callanecc (talk • contribs • logs) 11:46, 7 September 2012 (UTC)

Edit request on 14 September 2012

under the header McMahon- Helmsley Era (2000-2001) there is a part that mentions the Royal Rumble Street Fight Match....there is a bit after that where an H should be added as it is part of Triple H's in ring name name and well the H isn't there and the sentence is (well partial sentence): "which Triple won after doing two pedigrees on Foley." so you see where the H should be added... Jloughry1976 (talk) 15:29, 14 September 2012 (UTC)

Done. Seems minor and uncontroversial. —KuyaBriBri^Talk 21:12, 14 September 2012 (UTC)

Retirement

In an article on WWE.com, it clearly states 'Following his farewell address on Raw'. Can this be considered enough of a source to officially say that he has retired? Kane (talk) 05:44, 2 September 2012 (UTC)

In the article it also only states that it is "a farewell of sorts" and he is "SEEMINGLY capping his epic in ring career" — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.140.219.46 (talk) 18:16, 17 September 2012 (UTC)

Edit request on 22 April 2013

Overall, Levesque has won 23 championships in WWE. He is a thirteen-time world champion (a company record shared with John Cena) having won the WWF/E Championship eight times, and the World Heavyweight Championship five times, with the majority of those reigns being self-booked.[8][9]

The bold part should be removed since the sources provided did not say this and there are no other reliable sources to support the statement. 171.98.56.98 (talk) 17:57, 22 April 2013 (UTC)

Done per WP:BLP and WP:V. —KuyaBriBri^Talk 20:47, 22 April 2013 (UTC)

Edit request on 13 June 2013

101.214.105.11 (talk) 19:47, 13 June 2013 (UTC) please upload triple h latest photo

Not done: Vague requests to add, update, modify, or improve an image are generally not honored unless you can point to a specific image already uploaded to Wikipedia or Wikimedia Commons that you would like included on this article. Please note that any image used on any Wikipedia article must comply with the Wikipedia image use policy, particularly where copyright is concerned. —KuyaBriBri^Talk 20:51, 13 June 2013 (UTC)

Edit request

change vandalism on first paragraph of page

I don't see it, so it's hopefully been fixed. If not, open a new request stating specifically what is wrong. RudolfRed (talk) 04:31, 21 August 2013 (UTC)

Edit request on November 3, 2013

The third paragraph of the article contains the phrase "Together as a power couple, they reek havoc over the company". "Reek" is a misspelling, the correct spelling would be "wreak". — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.172.13.248 (talk • contribs) 05:51, 5 November 2013‎

Done with thanks, NiciVampireHeart 06:27, 5 November 2013 (UTC)

Request regarding File:Triple H WWE Champion 2008.jpg

I apologize if this is not in your project's language:

David Seto, the photographer for File:Triple H WWE Champion 2008.jpg, has reached out by email (OTRS ticket 2014051110039359) asking us to either reduce the quality of the image or add in a watermark, so that people cannot put the image on items such as tee shirts and sell them on eBay.

I informed Mr. Seto that neither of these actions would be possible, but offered to post a message on the talk pages of the articles where the image is used, asking whether the editors that worked on those articles would be willing to replace the use of his photograph with another image. I neither have the power nor the desire to order anyone to make this change, and I will not personally do it myself, but if the people that edit this page see it fit to do so, I am sure that Mr. Seto would appreciate it.

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Sincerely, Sven Manguard Wha? 17:38, 20 May 2014 (UTC)

{Edit semi-protected} Incorrect information.

This is the last line under "Personal life" for Paul Levesque (Triple H)

"On Monday July 21 of raw his wife Stephanie McMahon got arrested for slapping ,battery against Brie Bella for no reason just because Brie bout a ticket as a fan in the front row."

The event mentioned was part of a storyline within WWE, it should not be mentioned as though it was anything other than part of a storyline. It is also poorly worded and some words have been misspelled. — Preceding unsigned comment added by X54 KIll 'em all (talk • contribs) 21:41, 22 July 2014 (UTC)

Steve Austin interview regarding Chyna

I think this should be mentioned, as Triple H has also done a follow-up denial of Chyna accusing him of hitting her. I'm just not sure where... business career or personal life?

We should also mention how the Seth Rollins drama from the same night contrasts it per this:

• Kenny Herzog (February 10, 2015). "'WWE Raw': Seth Rollins' Penis 1, Wrestling 0". Rolling Stone. Retrieved February 16, 2015.
  "Triple H – who may have never counted on this when detailing his industry's modern dilemma on Stone Cold's podcast"

Any good refs regarding the HoF interview and assault denials? Ranze (talk) 09:34, 16 February 2015 (UTC)

Convolution of Fact and Fiction: Use of Competitive Language

As far as I am aware "professional wrestling" is a show not a competition. In this article however, there are phrases such as "winning his first WWF Championship," "he would win a total of 13 world championships," "he defeated Bob Holly." This seems to suggest that Triple H competed when (as far as I am aware) he performed. Is it appropriate to use the language of the show? The article would be appropriate for a fictional character, such as Bilbo Baggins. But this is an article about a person, which seems to convolute fact and fiction. Timtak (talk) 12:36, 7 September 2015 (UTC)

Paul Levesque performs. When he does, Triple H actually (fictionally) competes. Levesque's like a puppeteer who lives inside his only puppet. Triple H doesn't even know Levesque exists. It's totally normal. Just need to use the right name for the right thing. A little confusing with guys like John Cena (AKA John Cena). InedibleHulk (talk) 18:31, 25 January 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 2 December 2015

2.96.35.65 (talk) 22:49, 2 December 2015 (UTC) Triple H has had a major amount of backstage heat on him ever since his debut however he started getting major heat when he befriended Shawn Michaels (hated at the time) and joined the Kliq. Chris Jericho and Bret Hart hated Triple H during their time with the company. Ref: What.culture.com

 Not done It's not clear where you want this content added, it would require a more reliable source to substantiate the claims of hatred, and the tone ("getting major heat" in particular) is too conversational. Thanks, /wia /tlk 03:59, 5 December 2015 (UTC)

Personal life needs a minor edit

Since Lemmy of Motorhead is dead now, personal life needs to be changed to "was good friends with him"

Nathanstar0494 (talk) 18:05, 23 January 2016 (UTC)

Done clpo13_(talk) 18:09, 23 January 2016 (UTC)

14-time WWE World Heavyweight Champion

We have an official statement from WWE worth considering folks:

"WWE World Heavyweight Championship - Triple H". WWE.com. 24 January 2016. Archived from the original on 25 January 2016. Triple H became a 14-time WWE World Heavyweight Champion at the 2016 Royal Rumble.

Why do we merely call him a "14-time WWE world champion" in spite of the evidence? 184.145.18.50 (talk) 13:24, 25 January 2016 (UTC)

Because this is the WWE World Heavyweight Championship. WWE likes to pretend a lot of things happened a lot of ways. Nevermind the titles, they once erased an entire World Heavyweight Champion. I think his name was Doug. Had a wolverine or something. That's why wrestling fans write stuff down and why Wikipedia prefers independent secondary sources. InedibleHulk (talk) 18:48, 25 January 2016 (UTC)

Hi, as a disclaimer so I don't get unwarranted WP:SOCK accusations, the above IP was me editing on a tablet I don't bother logging in to.

@InedibleHulk: the thing is, who gets to be champion is inherently the WWE pretending things happen a certain way. It is why even if we know some guy cheated to win, we can't override referee/company decisions on the matter.

You linked to a Wikipedia article, need I remind you WP:WINARS ? We are merely tertiary so linking to our (arguably WRONG) page about the WWE World Heavyweight Championship is not any sort of argument. Our articles are meant to conform to meet the facts. What "The History of WWE" says is irrelevant, company statements override this. Ranze (talk) 03:08, 26 January 2016 (UTC)

• Dude Ranze, I get where you're coming from but I gotta be real with you - I'm coming out of semi-retirement for this thing - so lets shoot for a swift resolve to this little misconception you have going on. What you are looking at and obsessing about is a nomenclature issue. Lets establish two things Ranze; 1. According to WWE.com/ the WWE Encyclopedia/ and other official media, the title currently known as the WWE World Heavyweight Championship has its history clearly defined by its list of title holders. 2. According to WWE.com/ the WWE Encyclopedia/ and other official media, the title that existed from 2002-2013 known simply as the World Heavyweight Championship also has its history clearly defined by its list of title holders. We can agree this is fact correct?
• Now as it relates to this article, and now that we've established the two previous facts, lets look at the number of reigns Triple H has listed under the WWE World Heavyweight Championship. We clearly see he has had 9 reigns with this particular title. Fantastic! We have our number of title reigns under this particular championship. But now this thing we're dealing with isn't over is it? See, WWE hasn't always had one sole world heavyweight title. In fact it's had about 5. Its most recently retired one happens to be known simply as the World Heavyweight Championship and it existed between 2002 and 2013. Once again as it relates to this article, lets count the number of reigns Triple H has had with that particular title. We clearly see he has had 5 reigns with this particular title. Now I'm not going to insult your intelligence and ask you to add but we can clearly see that Triple H has been, according to WWE, a 14-time world champion under its promotion.
• With that established, you contend that WWE's online periodicals referring to Triple H as a 14-time WWE World Heavyweight Champion cements him or any other individual in a similar spot, like some of the ones you attempted to list in previous versions of another article, as having held the WWE World Heavyweight championship (the title we described from the 1st fact) a total of 14 times. Here is why you need to thoroughly reevaluate that standpoint.
• After laying out the 2 facts at the start of my nice little essay, we clearly see we have 2 separate histories of 2 titles, defined by a list of title holders for each of the 2 titles we talked about. Each list is essentially a record of history, in that the names that are noted on each list, however number of times, denotes the champion and accounts for each of their reigns. So, due to us clearly seeing that Triple H has held the WWE World Heavyweight Championship 9 times, there is no way anyone can correctly denote Triple has having held that particular title any more number of times within the context of Wikipedia (unless of course he actually wins that title a few more times).
• Why within the context of Wikipedia? Well mainly its policies. Here's why. Promotional Nomenclature. What we have with the whole 14-time fiasco written within WWE online periodicals and heard on commentary is simply promotional terminology, that is WWE-centric term-use operated upon for whatever reason. We can talk about these reasons but that would be irrelevant. Whatever their reason, whether it be to go about a simplistic approach in telling their history by calling all holders of two world titles one umbrella term, it really doesn't matter. What matters is identifying this terminology for what it is. Within the context of Wikipedia content policy WP:PROMO, we simply cannot follow suit and use that terminology. Articles simply cannot be written to read like it came directly from a company memo. With as many times as WWE's online periodicals and announcers follow company mandate and use their in-house terminology, its all irrelevant as it pertains to the terminology used here.
• Thus, with the facts we established at the start of this long ass response, knowing there are 2 separate titles we are talking about here, each recording its list of champions by which their histories are defined, we can unequivocally state as it pertains to Triple H, that he is in fact currently a 9-time holder of the WWE World Heavyweight Championship. Haha of course having been here long enough, I'm prepared for the possibility of finding you to claim some sort of fault with the things I've laid out for. That's awesome too. To that I say, bring it on. I'll be happy to help you along the way. ^{--UnquestionableTruth--} 06:40, 26 January 2016 (UTC)

@3bulletproof16: aka UnquestionableTruth, this is Ranze logged out, will respond in parts to you here.

1. According to WWE.com/ the WWE Encyclopedia/ and other official media, the title currently known as the WWE World Heavyweight Championship has its history clearly defined by its list of title holders.
2. According to WWE.com/ the WWE Encyclopedia/ and other official media, the title that existed from 2002-2013 known simply as the World Heavyweight Championship also has its history clearly defined by its list of title holders. We can agree this is fact correct?

Our disagreement is a subtle one. It actually is not entirely defined by that table or chart of title holders. It defers to displaying the longer history of the WWE Championship which goes back to the WWF Championship, but while it is A list of title holders it is not THE list of title holders. As the page clearly states, the title has a MERGED LINEAGE. What this means is that the lineage of your second link is also part of the same lineage. It is a branched lineage. All people in that lineage are WWE World Heavyweight Championships. That is why the WWE is calling Trips 14-time and not 9-time in respect to the unified title. It is why they do the same for Sheamus and Orton and Cena. Rock is a whole other matter involving WCW-Word so maybe we can stick with these 4 for now and deal with him later.

Basically the problem is, you are not reading the facts of the chart correctly, you are only looking at the chart but not its context, a page which clearly says the lineages of the two titles are merged, so you also have to consider the lineage of World Heavyweight Championship reigns to be the lineage of the WWE World Heavyweight Championship as well.

Your dismissal of multiple conflicting numbers to your interpretation is OR. You are not expert enough to know whether the numbers should be dismissed as false and misleading promotional nomenclature or not. You do not have an authority to grant that authority to the table yet dismiss the authority from elsewhere when it all comes from the same source. Plus the table itself links to the page calling trips 14-time, it is effectively PART of the table, it is tied to it, you cannot toss it. --184.145.18.50 (talk) 06:58, 26 January 2016 (UTC)

Uh no... it is in fact the list of title holders. The issue here Ranze, and one that is clear you are unaware of is how far your inductive leap is going. You take a statement like "the titles have a merged lineage" and somehow stretch it to the point where you have stated just now that there is a separate unlisted history of title holders not tangibly listed anywhere else. That is the fault in your reasoning Ranze and one that you need to reevaluate before this gets out of hand. A simple dictionary will tell you that the word lineage means a line of descendants, not an articulated list of subjects collected under a specified category. You are really stretching this one out Ranze and its not something you can easily convince anyone with a proper understanding of word usage to agree with you. ^{--UnquestionableTruth--} 07:14, 26 January 2016 (UTC)

Also it can totally be tossed through WP:PROMO Ranze. Come on man, I know there's some good reasoning in you.^{--UnquestionableTruth--} 07:38, 26 January 2016 (UTC)

The list you are relying on to make your argument has a sub-page on it calling Triple H a 14-time champion. I don't see how you can logically selectively dismiss 1 aspect of the title history section of the website while not dismissing the other and not see the hypocrisy there. WP:PROMO is for stuff like "Kane is a demon" or "Undertaker is a dead man". Obviously some stuff is cruft. The company's ongoing consistent count of how many championships someone has following a certain pattern is not promo, it is simply how they tabulate things.

The first WWE World Heavyweight Champion was Randy Orton. People before him were not called that. They were retroactively called this due to a shared lineage. We have been shown consistently when people who become a WWE World Heavyweight Champion in multiple instances that it is not exclusively WWE Championship reigns which contribute to this count. WWE cites were provided for Sheamus, Orton, Hunter and Cena in that regard. 184.145.18.50 (talk) 11:13, 28 January 2016 (UTC)

Hi, Ranze logged out again here. @Oknazevad: I think we ought to reflect on what SYNTH actually is. The title page you reverted my edits on says -Triple H, who is in his ninth reign.- for example. There is no source listed for it. That sounds like synth to me. On the other hand if this were changed to -Triple H, who is in his fourteenth reign.- it would not be synth because you are literally just adapting the sentence -Triple H became a 14-time WWE World Heavyweight Champion- from the sources. Special:Diff/701720369 removed reliably sourced information. Please identify what you think -original conclusions- are here. I literally provided exact quotes from the WWE stating different numbers for these 5 guys, most recently trips being described as 14-time WWEWHWC.

The actual OR, the actual SYNTH, is ignoring the primary sources and Wikipedians making up numbers because they think they can interpret a chart. Us printing what the WWE tells us is the reign count: reliably sourced statements. Us printing what we think is the tally but actually conflicts with sources: is OR.

This has been an incredibly conservative attempt by comparison. I am not even suggesting we scrub and re-work all the numbers, just point out that WWE is giving us at least 5 reign totals for Sheamus-Rock-Orton-HHH-Cena which conflict with our numbers.

I do not understand why you insist on hiding this. I am not seeing the more reliable data saying otherwise. This is not a sole anomaly, 5 times is a recurring pattern of new WWE World Heavyweight Champions whose World Heavyweight Championship reigns (in case of 4) or WCW Championship aka World Championship reign (The Rock) are being counted.

This is not to say everyone views it that way, but when WWE sources are saying this, we need to pay notice.

What usually gets cited for what counts as a WWE World Heavyweight Championship reign is http://www.wwe.com/classics/titlehistory/wwe-world-heavyweight-championship as if that section of the web site holds some kind of special authorty.

Visit that page, scroll to the bottom of the chart, click -Triple H- and it brings you to http://www.wwe.com/classics/titlehistory/wwe-world-heavyweight-championship/20160124-triple-h

That is where it says -Triple H became a 14-time WWE World Heavyweight Champion at the 2016 Royal Rumble.-

It does not matter if you page back to the previous page and Ctrl+F to find the string -Triple- and only get 9 returns in the left column. Anyone who uses that observation to conclude he is merely a 9-time champ is engaging in original research, because they view themselves as some kind of chart interpretation experts.

They are not experts because in doing so they ignore the -merged lineage- disclaimer on the same page which tells us to also merge the World Heavyweight Championship chart too.

Doing so gives 6 more to HHH and brings him to 14, matching up with the statement. This is not OR at all, it is cited research. OR is ignoring reliable sources and saying 9 even though no reliable sources are calling him 9-time and it conflicts with the evidence. --184.145.18.50 (talk) 06:49, 26 January 2016 (UTC)

The sheer irony by which your logic flies is something else, I'll tell you that. I mean for someone to start naming others as unqualified chart reading experts for reading what is plainly written on a list and then go off on their own interpretation of a list accounting for some intangible information adding X's and O's where there aren't any is pretty funny. And just to let you know, your understanding of WP:OR is also very off. As it relates to promotional terminology like "14-time WWE World Heavyweight Champion," even if especially if its from a primary source, when it is the subject of what you are trying to cite, it comes into conflict with WP:PROMO, by which point, we aren't even talking about a WP:RS issue.^{--UnquestionableTruth--} 07:22, 26 January 2016 (UTC)

Precisely. It's pretty obvious that WWE is using the single phrase when talking about the combined history of both titles as it's easier to promote; calling someone a 14-time champion sounds impressive. But the key word is promote. We can't just parrot WWE's promotional language; that goes against multiple Wikipedia policies. We also can't forget we are talking about events that were scripted and are subject to reinterpretation.

But in this case, as in the numerous prior discussions, the real issue is you coming to the conclusion that because the WWE has decided to use a standard phrase to describe all former multi-time champions they've somehow merged the lists of champions together into one big list, not merely used a different wording for a wrestler's personal title count. Especially when the passage you attempted to add included a clear "they said a, and they said b, so c must be true" form, when there's no actual source stating c at all. That's the very definition of WP:SYNTH.

Look, Occam's razor tells us that the simplest explanation, that they are simplifying things for the ease of the announcers and/or promotional reasons (they are a wrestling promotion after all) is the correct one. But just because they decide to simplify things for some uses doesn't mean they've changed their official history, as clearly shown by the links above. You really need to make a leap of logic or accept promotional language as fact in order to make the changes you want to make. That has no proper backing in policy or consensus. In this or any of the many discussions where you e tried to push this before. Will you just please let it drop? oknazevad (talk) 13:36, 26 January 2016 (UTC) PS, you really ought to log in on that tablet. You may have remembered to make a statement here, but it's too easy to forget and therefore too easy to look like your doing something wrong when you didn't mean to.

(Ranze here, unfortunately I am prone to forgetting my password and rely excessively on cookies I don't want to leave on this device) What is plainly written on the list is only the primary lineage of the WWE World Heavyweight Championship (that of the WWE Championship) because it is the dominant title. It has the longest history and Orton was WWE champ when he captured Cena's World Heavyweight championship. The World Heavyweight Championship's lineage is secondary but it is still part of the lineage and is considered when totalling up one's sum of reigns.

I mean look here: "Triple H shocks the world and becomes 14-time WWE World Heavyweight Champion." at http://www.wwe.com/shows/royalrumble/2016/wwe-world-heavyweight-champion-royal-rumble-match-photos matches up with what's listed under the title history. Stuff on WWE is true until it isn't true. It's not my own interpretation: it is that of the WWE, it is what they are telling us. I'm not pulling calculations out of thin air here, I'm looking at the hard data they are supplying us. They are not telling us numbers that conform to your conclusions, we are presenting the wrong results.

That events are scripted and open to interpretation is all the more reason why we ought to go by the script and not just insert our own conclusions. "But it's not fair, he had his foot on the rope but they still took his title!" That's not our role, nor is it our role to discount a title because it doesn't agree with our made-up narrative as pseudo-experts.

We are not even ignoring any events here: this is about the WWE acknowledging a World Heavyweight Champion reign as a sum in cumulative World Heavyweight Championship reigns. They do this with both of the titles that were merged to form it. Please explain A and B and C in your example. The bigger reign count is canon. The 'merged lineage' is canon. My adding 1+1+1=3 is no different than your adding 1+1=2. There is nothing wrong with counting what is in tables, but our tally should conform with the sums they present us with. 184.145.18.50 (talk) 11:57, 28 January 2016 (UTC)

I think it's WWE language for World titles in WWE. For example, Big Show and Jericho. Both won the WCW title, however, only Jericho's reigns count into the WWE WHC. What about show? Also, the WWE WHC is a different title. We can't say HHH won the title in 2008 and jump into the 14th reign in 2016. Also, he won the WHC before his 8th WWE reign, so... should it be the 13th reign?? it's really hard, but HHH won the WWF/WWE/WWE WHC 9 times, not 14. Other sources (http://www.wrestling-titles.com/wwe/wwe-h.html http://www.cagematch.net/?id=5&nr=20 ) say Triple H is in his 9th reign with the title. --HHH Pedrigree (talk) 14:00, 28 January 2016 (UTC)

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Tripple H's brother is maggie pagege — Preceding unsigned comment added by Leudroth (talk • contribs) 14:36, 17 March 2016 (UTC)

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Signature moves list should be expanded

1)Sharpshooter- He has used this multiple times. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Night_of_Champions_(2009)

                 http://www.wwe.com/shows/extremerules/2013/triple-h-vs-brock-lesnar-steel-cage-match
                 http://www.smarknmark.com/hidden-gems/hidden-gems-11-the-legacy-v-d-generation-x-breaking-point-09
                 http://www.skysports.com/more-sports/news/14203/5544020/submission-success-for-dx

2)Neckbreaker- Frequently used. Used in his last match as well (WM 32) http://www.pwmania.com/the-streak-9-the-undertaker-vs-triple-h-wrestlemania-xvii

              http://www.wrestlezone.com/news/206167-ujudgment-day-pbp-randy-orton-vs-triple-h-3u
              http://www.wrestlingdvdnetwork.com/review-wwfwwe-no-way-out-01-dvd/10417/
              http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/sport/wrestling/7048407/Wrestlemania-32-Roman-Reigns-defeats-HHH-but-women-steal-show-in-front-of-record-101763-crowd.html

3)Backbreaker- used in all matches against Shawn Michaels. http://tjrwrestling.net/classic-wwe-match-breakdown-shawn-michaels-vs-triple-h-at-summerslam-2002-by-kevin-pinto/ http://www.wrestlingdvdnetwork.com/17629-wwe-badblood-04-dvd/17629/

4)Atomic drop- used in last match as well. http://411mania.com/wrestling/411s-wwe-roadblock-2016-report-03-12-16/

              http://www.wrestleview.com/wwe-wrestling-results/wwe-wrestlemania/59931-wwe-wrestlemania-32-results-4316-live-in-dallas-triple-h-vs-roman-reigns-the-undertaker-vs-shane-mcmahon/ 

Some others as well-http://prowrestling.wikia.com/wiki/Triple_H — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kobashi misawa kawada (talk • contribs) 06:01, 26 May 2016 (UTC)

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Feud with Rollins????

How can there be a Feud with Rollins?? Feud would mean they are fighting which they have yet to do. So there is no Feud to speak of. Chris "WarMachineWildThing" ^{Talk to me} 04:17, 22 November 2016 (UTC)

Smackdown

It should be mentioned that since being drafted to Smackdown, Triple H has successfully defended the title against Edge and will defend against Great Khali. Shortman81 (talk) 01:41, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

No, it shouldn't. That is non-notable week-by-week and fails WP:N and WP:RECENTISM Gavyn Sykes (talk) 03:37, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

His win over Cena at Night of Champions should be in there, considering they built up the damn thing for 6 months(Royal Rumble till NOC) and that they were wrestlemania main event oponents at one time and it was his first match as a member of Smackdown.

Its not notable to include; It would just seem as trivial. --  ThinkBlue  (Hit BLUE) 21:32, 7 September 2008 (UTC)

I think it should be noted about his wins at summerslam, unforgiven and the great american bash 2008. Why shouldn't it wikipedia is about facts and he only has one sentence there in the move to smackdown 2008-present part dont you think its a little empty. -keaundre dawn 02:03, 3 October 2008 (UTC)User:Keaundre24|Keaundre24keaundre dawn 02:03, 3 October 2008 (UTC)

It's been 6 damn months and no one has change and left it the same thing since his move to smackdwon! Some highlights are like Summerslam, his feud with Jeff Hardy and Vladimir Kozlov, and his Unforgiven victory in the championship scamble. You should mention the people he has beat the the title and that he has teamed up with shawn michaels 1 or 2 times since it. (User: Lukas Vanelanotte).--LukasVandelanotte (talk) 19:30, 16 November 2008 (UTC)

Awesome Show YoungKevin261 (talk) 20:43, 22 November 2016 (UTC)

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Why isn't his current fued with Orton listed? I mean COme on its big enough for Him to "break into" Orton's House why isn't it on the page!? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.93.167.109 (talk) 05:46, 14 March 2009 (UTC)

Its considered week-by-week. --  ThinkBlue  (Hit BLUE) 18:04, 17 March 2009 (UTC)

Yea but Now Orton has Handcuffed HHH and kissed Stephanie while she was unconsious. I think this should be updated!

No, because its still week-by-week. --  ThinkBlue  (Hit BLUE) 00:13, 25 March 2009 (UTC)

Upon Reading the Page On When to update per Wiki Rules it does not say that we can't go week by week if its important. and this is the biggest fued HHH has been in all year so There for it should be listed. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 204.185.144.155 (talk) 19:03, 25 March 2009 (UTC)

That's not saying much, it's pretty much the ONLY feud Triple H has been in this year (it started before Royal Rumble). TJ Spyke 22:34, 25 March 2009 (UTC)

ADD HIS BODY MEASURMENTS -BICEPS-24INCH CHEST-52INCH WAIST-36 Kingofkings01 (talk) 17:15, 18 July 2017 (UTC)

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In the "Entrance Themes" section, please change the title of the fourth-listed song in the bullet list from "Higher Brain Pattern" to "My Time (Instrumental)", because the official release of the song on the newly-released "WWE: Uncaged III" album has the official title of the song as "My Time (Instrumental)", not "Higher Brain Pattern". 2602:304:CEBF:8650:59A7:575D:3E05:8DB7 (talk) 21:56, 26 August 2017 (UTC)

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Triple H defeated Kane at WrestleMania XV but someone put on the edit that he lost to Kane which is false.

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I want to correct the mistake of Triple H defeated Kane at WrestleMania on his 1999 section. Could the page be unlocked so i can edit it?--73.115.124.233 (talk) 22:17, 31 March 2018 (UTC)

Reliable sources show that Triple H was disqualified in that match; therefore the article as it stands is correct. Altamel (talk) 00:53, 1 April 2018 (UTC)

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"widely regarded as the best wrestler in North America"

This is a pretty suspect quote. Certainly Triple H was regarded as one of the top stars at the time, and one of the better overall wrestlers, but "widely regarded as *the best*" is an idea that should require some major support to appear in the header section.

The PWTorch is a reputable publication, but this particular quote comes not from any of the primary editors but from Michael Moore, the "collectibles specialist." No disrespect to Mr. Moore, but he writes primarily about action figures and is not a definitive enough source to justify using this direct quote in the header. It should be removed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jonas42 (talk • contribs) 00:01, 22 September 2018 (UTC)

WP:PW/RS lists the Pro Wrestling Torch as a trusted publication. There are no reservations written into Wikipolicy about the reliability of any Torch journalists, in the way they are for some PWInsider and Grantland reporters. Sharonaj (talk) 22:06, 4 January 2019 (UTC)

Comments for improvement

Extracted from Talk:Triple H/GA1

"This article was promoted to GA way back in 2007. Since then, it had a lot of updates. I think this article is an immediate failure (especially fails 2nd GACR). A lot of citations are missing and some of the content is dubious. I will leave this on hold for two weeks for all of these to be fixed. If anyone needs more time, feel free to let me know. Thanks! THE NEW ImmortalWizard(chat) 17:29, 17 February 2019 (UTC)

Anyone who is interested, can find the content which I marked that needs citation, dubious, unreliable source etc. The article has major verification problems especially in his business career and has biased information in Legacy. I don't believe this qualifies as GA anymore. THE NEW ImmortalWizard(chat) 18:35, 27 February 2019 (UTC)"

The Game not in infobox?

Is there some technical reason why the nickname The Game is not in the infobox? Seems attested. Hyperbolick (talk) 22:23, 23 April 2019 (UTC)

Update

He is now 50 years old Ejhardymoore21 (talk) 23:30, 27 July 2019 (UTC)

"Helmsley had fully dropped the "blueblood snob" gimmick, appearing in T-shirts and leather jackets"

Within the subsection "D-Generation-X 1997-1999", the following line is contained: ...Helmsley had fully dropped the "blueblood snob" gimmick.... The point made by this line is not entirely the case. This can be evidenced from contemporary WWF footage, Helmsley retained certain attributes of the "blueblood snob" persona for some considerable time into his character's association with D-Generation-X in 1998. An example to illustrate would be the robes sported by the character during ring entrances since his Intercontinental Championship run in 1996. The "blueblood robes" were conserved for some time into the time of Helmsley's D-Generation X affiliation (to give an instance, his entrance at Wrestlemania 14). In view of this, my suggestion would be to modify the line I quoted above to give the message: "...Helmsley had all but dropped the "blueblood snob" gimmick...". If this minor alteration receives no objection in a short time, I will go ahead with this change. --JoeyofScotia (talk) 16:52, 4 September 2019 (UTC)

Loudwire's "Wikipedia: Fact or Fiction" with Triple H

Loudwire did an episode with Triple H, you can find it here. There are a few instances where Triple H pointed out errors on his article:

• "While working as a manager at a Gold's Gym in Nashua, he was introduced to world champion powerlifter Ted Arcidi, who was employed by WWE at the time."

He wasn't working at a Gold's Gym, but another gym, and Ted Arcidi was semi-retired at the time.

• "However, the team was short-lived, as Levesque left for the World Wrestling Federation (WWF) in January 1995 after WCW turned down his request to be promoted as a singles competitor."

He left for WWF because his contract was ending and WWF looked like the better place to be.

• " ("The Game" nickname was originally intended for Owen Hart, with Triple H adopting the nickname in honor of Owen)."

He says that's completely false. He came up with the nickname himself in an unscripted promo.

Feel free to incorporate those changes into the article, I'm not quite sure how to deal with Triple H and a Youtube video being used as a source here. --Conti|✉ 20:58, 15 January 2020 (UTC)

If Triple H himself pointed out the errors in this WP article (which he did) then his own word should hold a great degree of weight. These are just 3 errors that were pointed out, there are probably more...and yet this article is considered a "Good article" by the WP community. -TrynaMakeADollar (talk) 23:05, 26 February 2020 (UTC)

Triple H's job description is still Executive Vice President, Talent, Live Events & Creative. This is confirmed on WWE Corporate website. So can someone please change it back. Here is the link to the website & details of his job. Add this link & return his job description back to what it was.

Inaugural World Champion

Can anyone add "inaugural" to the World Heavyweight Championship in Championships and accomplishments? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.177.89.60 (talk) 18:17, 6 July 2020 (UTC)

Wwe nexus SummerSlam 2010 New Nuexs

Gabriel 16 Brannock Close Newry 7pm Christmas day wwe summer slam 2010 New Nuexs my father my brother my father my friend my family Christmas Dinner 25th night 7pm 2A00:23C4:F9F1:E00:A534:D0D5:63B1:ACD8 (talk) 13:35, 25 October 2020 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. ‑‑ElHef (Meep?) 14:09, 25 October 2020 (UTC)

Triple H

Article (edit | visual edit | history) · Article talk (edit | history) · Watch • Watch article reassessment page • GAN review not found

Result: Delisting following no action taken over several months. CMD (talk) 15:23, 19 May 2021 (UTC)

More than a year ago, this article was suggested to need Good Article reassessment. I notice that it still has some tags flagging issues with non-cited content and potentially unreliable sources, so I've brought it here. (t · c) buidhe 05:31, 30 October 2020 (UTC)

As far as I can see, there are some CN templates (a few titles, a few quotes and the filmography). Also, I have seen Bleacher report, which is unreliable. --HHH Pedrigree (talk) 11:14, 30 October 2020 (UTC)

• @Buidhe and HHH Pedrigree: This is quite old now, any comments on the current state of the article? I am transcluding this review onto the talk page, to see if it generates further input. CMD (talk) 17:25, 10 May 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 29 April 2021

188.162.228.219 (talk) 05:22, 29 April 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 15 June 2021

In the Luchas de Apuestas section, the location is incorrect. Triple H defeated Kane not in San Antonio, TX, but in New York, NY. The Online World of Wrestling screwed up the locations. Use other websites to correct that, such as Pro Wrestling Torch. 2A02:2F0D:809:6800:F0D2:2B2:61A0:3E96 (talk) 19:05, 15 June 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 25 March 2022

Triple H, WWE legend, has announced his retirement on social media platforms. I'd like to edit his years active go reflect this. Razzledazzle2112 (talk) 17:07, 25 March 2022 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 17:11, 25 March 2022 (UTC)

Here's one. InedibleHulk (talk) 18:08, 25 March 2022 (UTC)

Children

Triple H had his three children with Stephanie Mcmahon, not Chyna. 2600:1700:53B1:6B60:2DB8:CAA7:9E1C:1045 (talk) 03:57, 16 June 2022 (UTC)