Talk:Them Crooked Vultures

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I Added box thing but we need more peeps more! --Tukogbani (talk) 10:38, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

Good idea to add the infobox! What else do you think needs to be done?  Skomorokh  11:11, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

Not sure, there's not much we know to be fair. --Tukogbani (talk) 15:01, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

Uhhh... anyone going to the show on aug 9th? lets get some pictures! Gutenberg Forever (talk) 01:25, 7 August 2009 (UTC)

YEAH! not sure about the associated acts, it doesnt seem right but i'll go along with it --Tukogbani (talk) 20:15, 7 August 2009 (UTC)

Which acts don't seem right? I'm sure someone on the internet will post pictures (Flickr maybe?) and then we just have to procure the rights. Gutenberg Forever (talk) 03:02, 8 August 2009 (UTC)

All but it's hard to explain why :| it's orite just forget i mentioned it --Tukogbani (talk) 10:42, 9 August 2009 (UTC)

Leeds?

these playin leeds ? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.139.39.96 (talk) 01:10, 9 August 2009 (UTC)

Band links

Homme doesn't even get linked to Kyuss by the kids anymore? Ha, good thing Zep toured again or the teenies probably would have forgotten who he is too.71.130.242.186 (talk) 07:10, 10 August 2009 (UTC)

Press release says Grohl (Foos), Homme (Qotsa), JPJ (LZ), no mention of Nirvana even.  Skomorokh  22:47, 10 August 2009 (UTC)

Johannes

Alain Johannes played with them last night. Is he a permanent part of the band, or was it just a one-off? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.81.137.132 (talk) 09:04, 10 August 2009 (UTC)

Too early to tell, but probably will not have a core place on the album or much of a role beyond live support/possibly producing.  Skomorokh  22:47, 10 August 2009 (UTC)

For now, let's be safe and assume he is not a permanent part of the band. There are only three logos seen for this band - one each for Homme (Stone Age logo), Grohl (Foos logo), and Jones (his own logo from Zep). There is no evidence that he is at all part of the band aside from his appearance in their Metro show. They probably just needed a fourth set of hands to accomplish things in a live setting that would be handled easily by just the three of them in a studio. Torvik (talk) 05:11, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

American supergroup?

John Paul Jones isn't American, so it's not the best opening to the article... —Preceding unsigned comment added by Clear air turbulence (talk • contribs) 21:49, 19 August 2009 (UTC)

Fixed, thanks. In future, feel free to make whatever improvements you think appropriate – this is a wiki after all!  Skomorokh  21:52, 19 August 2009 (UTC)

Associated acts?

Whatever happened to that? Queens of the Stone Age, Led Zeppelin, and Foo Fighters definitely need to be included of course, and also possibly Nirvana and Kyuss? I'd do it myself but I don't know how, tbh. ( ._.) Torvik (talk) 05:44, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

Maybe the band Scream, the band Grohl was in just before Nirvana as well, should be added too, since they were decently succeessfull? I don't really know how to edit much on the page also. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Hmshark (talk • contribs) 20:06, 7 February 2010 (UTC)

Supergroup?

I can understand that some might call this lot a supergroup, but the way they're starting off (no instant major-label record deal - in fact, they're unsigned, starting off playing small gigs, etc) suggests otherwise... Any thoughts?--Vox Humana 8' 14:44, 26 August 2009 (UTC)

Understandable, similar story to that of The Dirty Mac (one of the most famous supergroups of all time) I don't recall them having a major record label (correct me if i'm wrong) & to my knowledge they only played few small gigs, saying that they were "one time" --Tukogbani (talk) 11:33, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

New Gigs!

I added the ones from this list http://forum.themcrookedvultures.com/showthread.php?p=20671#post20671

I did the best i could, but please edit it in any ways that are necessary, lets keep it tidy. This article is coming along well! Also note! I had to keep writing the country of the event as i was unsure how to categorize them into one, but im sure that will get sorted! thanks --Tukogbani (talk) 17:36, 1 September 2009 (UTC)

I can't see where the new dates were added. --Isablidine (talk) 22:01, 8 October 2009 (UTC)

Free Download of Single?

It's 2nd November and I don't see any link on their website, nor do I see any mention of a free download in the citation. —Preceding unsigned comment added by BlackEyedFish (talk • contribs) 15:47, 2 November 2009 (UTC)

Homme isn't Really Famous, So how is this a "Supergroup"

I thought that all the members had to be famous, but in this case its only Grohl and Jones. Homme is well know, but not famous with the wider public. (75.69.241.91 (talk) 01:09, 7 February 2010 (UTC))

For one, anyone who considers themselves educated on modern rock music knows of Queens of the Stone Age and Josh Homme. Hell, "No One Knows" is among the songs every fledgling guitarist learns. Not to mention his marriage to Brody Dalle has gone some way to cementing his status as a rock 'celebrity'. Also, supergroups are a combination of relatively prolific artists with The Raconteurs being an example of a group labelled with supergroup status despite having only the one famous member. By your reasoning, only Grohl is worthy of supergroup status as despite being a musical legend, barely anyone approached in the street would be able to apply a name to a picture of John Paul Jones.  Red157  23:29, 8 March 2010 (UTC)

New Pics?

I saw the pics of Hamme, Grohl, and Jones, and thought that since John Paul Jones has a picture of him in this band, that the other two should havev pictures of themselves as they are in this band as well. I would do it, but I don't know how to be honest. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Hmshark (talk • contribs) 20:02, 7 February 2010 (UTC)

Associated Acts section

I have read what WP says about associated acts in infoboxes (which is very rarely followed), but I think we can agree that Queens of the Stone Age, Foo Fighters, and Led Zepplin are three important acts with respect to the musicians in the band. Foo Fighters and Queens of the Stone Age only exist because Grohl and Homme created them respectively, and John Paul Jones is best known for Led Zepplin. Since this is an article about a supergroup, I don't see the harm in mentioning these three bands. Angryapathy (talk) 17:23, 11 February 2010 (UTC)

Agreed, seems a bit silly to leave out Foo Fighters and Led Zeppelin and yet keep Eagles of Death Metal simply because of Grohl and Johannes' (who seems to pretty primarily a live member) involvement with the group despite not being official members. Foo Fighters are Grohl's current band therefore surely are an associated act. I would like to say Led Zeppelin also are but at the same time I wouldnt count Nirvana, Scream, Kyuss etc as an associated act because they arent active and havnt been for sometime, which would put Led Zep into that category (not counting the reunion) but it is the best thing for representing John Paul Jones and what he is mainly known for. HrZ (talk) 23:06, 11 March 2010 (UTC)

Having been a major contributor to most QOTSA-related articles I'm surprised how ridiculous the infobox message is. If they mention Eagles of Death Metal, why not include Desert Sessions who Homme and Johannes have frequently collaborated on? Reasoning for Eagles of Death Metal's removal - Johannes has never been a proper member. Full stop, it's gone. Led Zeppelin should be added as it's the band of John Paul Jones and an influence on Grohl if not Homme as well. Zeppelin's inclusion is intrinsically tied with Foo Fighters'. Like Zeppelin is to JPJ, the Foos are to Dave Grohl, which should be enough to warrant their inclusion. Not to mention there's the collaboration between them, JPL and Jimmy Page for their second night at Wembley stadium which, when placed alongside Jones' usage conducting the orchestra for the Foo Fighters last Grammy performance are obvious precursors to the formation of Them Crooked Vultures. Add to this both Homme and John Paul Jones guesting on In Your Honor and it's frankly clear cut.  Red157  01:34, 13 March 2010 (UTC)

I'd say that a template for a userbox isn't binding policy, so the associated acts with Queens, Foo Fighters, and Led Zepplin seem to be the consensus. If someone wants to discuss it, they can here. Angryapathy (talk) 21:35, 13 March 2010 (UTC)

I would argue EODM should be included as well. Homme is a founding member, and Grohl has collaborated. Further support for Zeppelin inclusion: Page and Jones' appearance at the Foos' Wembley show, performing 2 Zep songs, is clearly an important moment in the genesis of TCV. Aoystreck (talk) 06:34, 14 March 2010 (UTC)

I don't recall Grohl collaborating with EODM as such. But I guess by my standards of including Led Zep and Foo Fighters, EODM counts considering Grohl's performed with them at the MTV awards (link) and appeared in a video of theirs.  Red157  16:22, 14 March 2010 (UTC)

Guidelines The instructions at {{Infobox musical artist}} are clear: "This field is for professional relationships with other musicians or bands that are significant and notable to this artist's career. The following uses of this field should be avoided... Groups with only one member in common." Led Zeppelin is in no way related to this group other than the fact that they share a bassist. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 03:12, 20 March 2010 (UTC)

'or bands that are significant and notable to this artist's career' - You just quoted the very reason why Led Zeppelin belong in the associated acts section. They are the band of John Paul Jones and as a result are a huge influence on Grohl. No Zeppelin, no Them Crooked Vultures - simple as that. What have Eagles of Death Metal done in relation to this band? Johannes has collaborated with them to the extent Homme did with the Foo Fighters, yet you've removed the latter several times. Also bar QOTSA, Johannes' most notable participation in a project with Homme is The Desert Sessions, which you seem to have ignored completely (Who also don't deserve to be in the associated acts section). You say you've read what we've posted here, but it's quite obvious you've assigned yourself a position despite it being wrong. You're combining both a misunderstanding of the associated artists' guidelines with a lack of knowledge about all the acts involved with this band. It's surely gone beyond the three revert rule...  Red157  19:28, 20 March 2010 (UTC)

Dropping in from WP:EAR#Aid in resolving possible edit war, might I suggest that if you can't reach consensus here, you could ask for input from WT:WikiProject Rock music and / or raise a suitably neutrally worded WP:RfC. I'm not here to give a judgement as I feel some good points have been made by all in this discussion. And I am glad that civil discussion is taking place. Perhaps input from others who have an interest in this field may help resolve the matter. –– Jezhotwells (talk) 21:34, 20 March 2010 (UTC)

5 bands should be included, QotSA, Foo Fighters, Led Zeppelin, Kyuss, and Nirvana, in that order. What you then cover are both the member's current projects, as well as their "Original" bands. Most importantly, I'd say you have to include Nirvana, because it is the band that Dave Grohl is associated as the drummer of, and Kyuss, as it created the foundations for Josh Homme's entire career, and with a supergroup, the reason that these musicians are famous is highly important68.77.109.237 (talk) 22:19, 5 December 2011 (UTC)

Genre

Can I please suggest that we add a few more genres to the band please?

I feel that in quite a lot of their songs, an element of punk rock is obvious, as well as some VERY hard rock in some places. I think that we should widen the genres a bit. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.146.251.233 (talk) 12:34, 20 February 2011 (UTC)

TCV are desert rock, the sonic similarities to QOTSA are pretty obvious. — Preceding unsigned comment added by XKerNeLKLuTcHx (talk • contribs) 00:57, 9 November 2011 (UTC)

If you can find a source, please add that citation. Angryapathy (talk) 16:24, 9 November 2011 (UTC)

I think psychedelic rock should be included in the genres. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.224.156.58 (talk) 11:43, 17 October 2013 (UTC) TCV sometimes sound quite similar to QOTSA, so perhaps alternative rock should be included among the genres. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.224.156.58 (talk) 14:00, 14 April 2014 (UTC)

Grunge

You must include grunge in the genre. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.46.242.118 (talk) 13:00, 5 January 2012 (UTC)

Real Genre discussion

It appears that the two sources for genre right now barely even mention genre at all. I would like to propose that the genre on Them Crooked Vultures, Them Crooked Vultures (album), New Fang, and Mind Eraser, No Chaser be changed to "Hard Rock" because they won a Grammy for Best Hard Rock Performance, and there doesn't appear to be any other good, reliable source for their genre. Also, the list of genres should never include six different entries. Woknam66 ^talk _{James Bond} 23:12, 6 February 2012 (UTC)

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