Talk:The Lorax (TV special)

Requested move 20 April 2018

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The result of the move request was: there is significant support for moving the page back to The Lorax (TV special), the article's stable title before an undiscussed move took place at the end of last year. Given the apparent lack of consensus for the new title, reverting to the old title for now. It is clear that there are valid concerns relating to the naming conventions involved here, and perhaps this can be taken up at WP:NCTV or through a subsequent multimove request involving other pages that use the disambiguator "(TV special)" now that the status quo has been reinstated. Dekimasuよ! 01:19, 29 April 2018 (UTC)

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The Lorax (1972 film) → The Lorax (television special) – This isn't exactly a film. But should this move request end against my favour, The Lorax (film) will have to be renamed to The Lorax (2012 film) to differentiate. --Kailash29792 (talk) 09:59, 20 April 2018 (UTC)

• Oppose - Per WP:NCFILM, short films are films too. "Television special" isn't a form of media, its a marketing term which can apply to a wide variety of content - and that's why we don't use it in WP:NCTV - even full-length theatrical films have been aired as "TV specials" (holiday presentations of Its a Wonderful Life and The Wizard of Oz come to mind). The Lorax (film) should be moved to The Lorax (2012 film). -- Netoholic @ 18:35, 20 April 2018 (UTC)
• Oppose per Netoholic. Lugnuts ^{Fire Walk with Me} 05:36, 21 April 2018 (UTC)
• Comment - FYI, "(TV special)" might be better than "(television special)" in the request, as that was the title of this page for a while, and it's a bit more concise. Paintspot Infez (talk) 21:45, 21 April 2018 (UTC)

You are correct – were it to be moved, "TV special" would be correct (e.g. WP:NCTV: "TV series", "TV program"... "TV pilot" has also been used). So I definitely oppose using "(television special)" as the disambig. term. I have no prejudice on "1972 film" versus "TV special" (though I probably have somewhat of a preference for the latter...). --IJBall (contribs • talk) 00:05, 22 April 2018 (UTC)

OK, I'll pile in with the late-breaking consensus: support move to The Lorax (TV special). --IJBall (contribs • talk) 12:55, 25 April 2018 (UTC)

• Oppose I think it's more useful to include the year in the title, and per above, "film" is not inaccurate. power~enwiki (π, ν) 01:30, 23 April 2018 (UTC)
• Move back to The Lorax (TV special) and leave the theatrical film at The Lorax (film) so that both are recognizable and unambiguous to the average reader. Use hatnotes to avoid confusion if necessary. Station1 (talk) 07:24, 24 April 2018 (UTC)
• Support. Half-hour animated TV specials are a separate genre that has proliferated in the past 50 years and "(TV special)" has been the usual qualifier used for those with ambiguous titles (The Cat in the Hat (TV special), How the Grinch Stole Christmas! (TV special), Mowgli's Brothers (TV special), Rudolph the Red-Nosed Reindeer (TV special), 'Twas the Night Before Christmas (1974 TV special), etc). If we decide that all such television productions need to be qualified as "(film)", then it can be submitted as a mass nomination.    Roman Spinner (talk • contribs) 05:52, 25 April 2018 (UTC)
• Move back to The Lorax (TV special) reversing the undiscussed move 03:41, 26 November 2017‎ Fortdj33 (talk | contribs | block)‎ . . (52 bytes) (+52)‎ . . (Fortdj33 moved page The Lorax (TV special) to The Lorax (1972 film): Proper disambiguation per WP:NCTV). See #Discussion. Andrewa (talk) 17:31, 28 April 2018 (UTC)

Discussion

WP:NCTV should be tweaked to make it clear whether or not TV special is an acceptable disambiguator in such cases. Obviously some (notably the bold previous mover Fortdj33) think it currently is not acceptable. If that's true, then there are quite a few articles to move. But that's for another RM. For now, revert the bold move without prejudice. Andrewa (talk) 17:31, 28 April 2018 (UTC)

• NCTV is clear - "special" is not listed as an option, so it shouldn't be used. A naming convention lists what IS used, as it cannot possibly list everything which is not acceptable. That said, the section WP:NCTV#Television films lists a Santa Claus short film which airs as a TV special. --Netoholic @ 00:41, 29 April 2018 (UTC)

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