Talk:Tennessee State Route 158

GA Review

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Reviewer: 420Traveler (talk · contribs) 00:23, 30 May 2023 (UTC)

Here's a 1st look at everything:

Intro

• Add sources to existed and history dates in infobox.
  •  Done

Route description

• Add link to I-40 and all other linkable words on their first occurrence after the intro.
  •  Done
• be more specific to what UT is.
  •  Done - added abbreviations that indicate it is the University of Tennessee. Bneu2013 (talk) 08:55, 30 May 2023 (UTC)
• Norfolk Southern Railway add "track" after.
  •  Done
• crossing with a rail spur maybe change "rail" to railroad or railway?
  •  Done - also provided link. Bneu2013 (talk) 08:59, 30 May 2023 (UTC)
• Between with SR 158, with only the northbound lanes and SR 158 then passes directly under the Gay Street Bridge add one or two "SR 158" and try not to use "it" as much.
  •  Done - removed most uses of "it". Bneu2013 (talk) 09:05, 30 May 2023 (UTC)
• Turning eastward, it next passes underneath a CSX railroad bridge[11] and then immediately afterward, the Henley Street Bridge, which carries US 441 across the river. I would split and add if SR 158 connects to US 441 or not. Here's an example from New York Route 28 article:

north of I-88, the highway passes over NY 7 with no access between the two. After another 0.75 miles (1.21 km), the route meets D.K. Lifgren Drive[3] (unsigned NY 992G),[4] a connector providing access between Routes 7 and 28.

• •  Done - clarified there is no access. Bneu2013 (talk) 09:10, 30 May 2023 (UTC)
• nearby I-40 interchange with Hall of Fame Drive in order to prevent weaving between these interchanges, and SR 158 westbound is accessed from I-40 westbound via a slip ramp which also provides access to Hall of Fame Drive.[7][10] I would remove the part that says "in order to prevent weaving between these interchanges"?
  •  Done
• He holds the record for the number of wins of any Volunteers football coach, and is often named one of the best defensive coaches in college football history. I would remove this sentence as it is extra info that doesn't relate to the road article.
  •  Done

History

• The additional right of way required for this project was provided by the University of Tennessee in 1972.[46] I would move this further up or change the wording.
  •  Done
• By the time the last stretch of SR 158 was under construction when was this?
  • The section that was built from 1970-73. I've added some wording to clarify that this was the last part of the loop and SR 158 to be constructed. Bneu2013 (talk) 09:24, 30 May 2023 (UTC)
• The eastern terminus of SR 158 with I-40 quickly developed a high crash rate, largely due to left-hand entrance and exit ramps on I-40 westbound, and reconstruction of this interchange to eliminate this hazard was suggested as early as 1971.[47] I would split this up.
  •  Done
• By 1977, UT officials requested the signalization of Neyland Drive at Lake Loudoun Boulevard I would reword it to say something like "Neyland Drive and Lake Loudoun Boulevard juntion"
  •  Done
• In preparation for the 1982 World's Fair, the Knoxville area received $250 million to accelerate a number of needed transportation projects, including reconstruction of the infamous "Malfunction Junction" between I-40 and I-75 (now I-275), which had also been planned as the terminus for the western leg of the Downtown Loop; widening parts of I-40; and completion of I-640, a northern bypass around downtown.[49][50] This sentence needs to be split up.
  •  Fixed - also added inflation adjustment. The second sentence is still long, but better than before. Bneu2013 (talk) 09:33, 30 May 2023 (UTC)
• Concepts for proposed improvements were presented to the public on December 11, 1989, and April 5 and 6, 1990. Improvements to what?
  •  Fixed - clarified sections. Bneu2013 (talk) 09:42, 30 May 2023 (UTC)
• Additional public meetings were held between November 1995 and January 2000, and the environmental impact statement for the project was approved by the FHWA on February 28, 2002.[51] I'd split up and explain what the additional public meetings were about.
  • The meetings were public hearings. Source doesn't really say any more than that, and I doubt there would be much more to say about them. Bneu2013 (talk) 09:42, 30 May 2023 (UTC)
• The first part of the first phase, which began on July 6, 2005, consisted of extending Hall of Fame Drive to parallel SR 158 between SR 71 and I-40, which eliminated an on-ramp from this road to SR 158 eastbound, reconstructing the interchange on I-40 with Hall of Fame Drive, construction of new collector-distributor ramps between this interchange and the SR 158 interchange, and replacing the Summit Hill Drive bridge over SR 158.[54][55] I'd split this up somehow, as it could be confusing to average reader.
  •  Fixed - split and reworded for clarity. Bneu2013 (talk) 09:50, 30 May 2023 (UTC)

Major intersections

• University of Tennessee Western terminus of SR 450, Signalized intersection, primary entrance to UT agriculture campus[67] should the commas be semicolons?
  •  Fixed - yes, good catch. Bneu2013 (talk) 09:52, 30 May 2023 (UTC)
• Signalized intersection, primary entrance to UT Campus[48] should the commas be semicolons?
  •  Fixed

Here's a first glance at everything. -420Traveler (talk) 00:21, 30 May 2023 (UTC)

@420Traveler: - I've responded to all of your comments. Bneu2013 (talk) 10:02, 30 May 2023 (UTC)

Hi, @Bneu2013 I'll be taking up this review upon the recommendation of Firefangledfeathers. Following the instructions of WP:GAN/I#N4a, there'll be a message from ChristieBot telling you that the nomination has failed which you can ignore/delete and the rest of the review will take place at Talk:Tennessee State Route 158/GA2. :3 F4U (they/it) 05:48, 15 July 2023 (UTC)

GA Review

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

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Reviewer: Freedom4U (talk · contribs) 05:52, 15 July 2023 (UTC)

I'll be taking up the rest of the review after it was abandoned. :3 F4U (they/it) 05:52, 15 July 2023 (UTC)

@Freedom4U: - I believe I've addressed all of your comments. Bneu2013 (talk) 18:42, 16 July 2023 (UTC)

@Bneu2013 I've left a few comments on some things, but nothing is holding back the article. Passing... :3 F4U (they/it) 21:46, 16 July 2023 (UTC)

Infobox

• Not experienced with U.S. highway articles, I'm gonna assume that there's some consensus to wikilink "United States" in the infoboxes of American roads. That correct?
  • That's correct. Bneu2013 (talk) 12:58, 16 July 2023 (UTC)

Lede

• Lowercase downtown Knoxville
  •  Done
• such facilities such Remove the first such
  •  Done
• Not really sure the reference there is enough evidence for the highway being called Game Day Highway, if else, I think the congestion caused by the sports facilites is a much more pertinent aspect to include in the lede. Secondly, the inclusion of such goes against MOS:LEDE which states that Apart from basic facts, significant information should not appear in the lead if it is not covered in the remainder of the article. I would also suggest that the congestion mentioned in that article be mentioned more clearly somewhere in the article body.
  •  Fixed - someone else added that sentence and ref. Upon doing some research, I could find no other sources, reliable or not, that used this name, but I am sure it is local jargon. That being said, I replaced the sentence in the lead with info about game day congestion, and added to this in the route description. Bneu2013 (talk) 18:40, 16 July 2023 (UTC)
• Second paragraph covers the body of the article well and in nice summary style. While MOS:LEADLENGTH does suggest three paragraphs for a lede in an article this size, I don't believe it is necessary.
  • I agree, it's not necessary for an article about a short highway like this. Bneu2013 (talk) 13:01, 16 July 2023 (UTC)

Route description

• Section is up-to-date.
• The article doesn't make it clear to the reader what the significance of the Neyland Greenway is wrt the Route itself.
  • I think going into much detail about this would be off topic, since this article is about the highway. But it's important to mention that it parallels the highway. Bneu2013 (talk) 13:18, 16 July 2023 (UTC)
    • Actually, yeah I agree. I was confused because I didn't realize Neyland Drive was just another name for the highway in question. Perhaps the phrasing Neyland Greenway, a multi-use trail, parallels most of Neyland Drive would be better but that's just nitpicking. :3 F4U (they/it) 21:38, 16 July 2023 (UTC)
• Here it turns - The route then turns is better prose.
  •  Done
• including the University's veterinary school - Fix capitalization of university.
  •  Done
• Wikilink at-grade crossing
  •  Done
• the home of the Tennessee Volunteers basketball/the Tennessee Volunteers football - Is there a reason to omit the word team?
  •  Fixed - No, there's not. Bneu2013 (talk) 13:18, 16 July 2023 (UTC)
  • Also at 50 words, this is a very long sentence that would benefit from being split in two.
    •  Done
• Here, the Neyland Drive designation ends, - move the word here to the end of the clause and then remove both commas.
  •  Done
• SR 71 is linked twice.
  •  Fixed
• White's Fort is linked twice.
  •  Fixed - I've changed "established" to "constructed" so that the readers will know that this refers to the actual fort, and "White's Fort" wasn't the original name of the city. Bneu2013 (talk) 13:18, 16 July 2023 (UTC)

History

• then-Governor - "then-" is unnecessary; you might wanna wikilink Governor to Governor of Tennessee.
  •  Fixed - some people are of the impression that this constitutes overlink, although I think it's okay if done right. I've changed the link appearance to "Tennessee Governor" so that readers are less likely to think this is one link. Bneu2013 (talk) 13:28, 16 July 2023 (UTC)
• then-Knoxville Mayor - Same as above
  •  Done
• Definitely wikilink U.S. Secretary of Transportation
  •  Done - again, some consider this overlink, but I beg to differ. Bneu2013 (talk) 13:28, 16 July 2023 (UTC)
• then-Governor Same as above
  •  Fixed
• A dedication ceremony for the completion of this project by Governor Dunn The current prose reads like Governor Dunn did the project, rather than that Governor Dunn did the dedication ceremony.
  •  Fixed
• American Association of State Highway Transportation Officials - Shouldn't it be American Association of State Highway and Transportation Officials?
  •  Fixed - yes.
• SR 450 is linked twice
  • As far apart as they are, it's okay here. This is especially important for users who don't read the entire article. Bneu2013 (talk) 13:33, 16 July 2023 (UTC)

Major intersections

• Thompson-Boling Arena here doesn't use an en-dash.
  •  Fixed
• Knox County is linked twice
  • This is a function of the jcttop template. Bneu2013 (talk) 13:36, 16 July 2023 (UTC)
    • I see, no issue. :3 F4U (they/it) 21:38, 16 July 2023 (UTC)

External links

• Per MOS:LAYOUTEL, links in the external links section should be accompanied by a short description and I don't think the current text is specific enough for a reader to understand where its being linked to.
  • I was unaware of this link, and have removed it, since it is generic and in no way unique to this article. I have replaced it with a link to a documentary about SmartFix 40. Please let me know if you think the change is adequate. Bneu2013 (talk) 13:40, 16 July 2023 (UTC)
    • Link looks good and the channel appears on TDOT's official website. :3 F4U (they/it) 21:40, 16 July 2023 (UTC)

Images

• Thompson–Boling Arena with SR 158 (Neyland Drive) and the Tennessee River to the right. - Remove the period
  •  Done
• The eastern terminus of SR 158 on I-40 eastbound. - Remove the period - Also I-40 should be wikilinked, as wikilinks should be duplicated in images.
  •  Done
• An illustration produced by The Knoxville News-Sentinel in 1962 showing the proposed routing of the Downtown Loop, with the first section that was constructed highlighted. - Remove the period
  •  Done
• Unless there is a good reason to, all images should be right-aligned. In particular, images after section headings should . The first image also creates an MOS:SANDWICH issue with the infobox being there.
  • I've never heard this, but it is common to alternate the orientation, particular on long articles. There have been plenty of highway GAs and FAs pass with this. The sandwiching isn't a problem either, as it's not between two images. This is largely because the lead is short, and again, this happens very often in highway GAs and FAs. Bneu2013 (talk) 13:59, 16 July 2023 (UTC)
    • Don't think its a huge issue so I'll pass regardless, but MOS:SANDWICH does state ...a­void sand­wich­ing text be­tween two im­ages that face each oth­er; or be­tween an im­age and in­fo­box, nav­i­ga­tion tem­plate, or sim­i­lar. (emphasis my own) :3 F4U (they/it) 21:43, 16 July 2023 (UTC)
• Article uses images well and they are all licensed properly.

Other

• The article uses a mix of US and U.S., it should pick one and stick with it. I would recommend U.S. as that is the variant commonly used in the US.
  • "US" is the commonly used abbreviation for U.S. Highways, while "U.S." is usually reserved for United States. Bneu2013 (talk) 14:02, 16 July 2023 (UTC)
• Are there any known future plans for the route?
  • Not that I could find. SmartFix 40 fixed most of the issues with this route and will probably be adequate for many decades to come. Bneu2013 (talk) 14:02, 16 July 2023 (UTC)
• Not necessary for GA promotion, but I always suggest that editors add alt-text to images for accessibility.
  •  Done

Spot check

5. The map shows that the route is part of the National Highway System, but doesn't include any of the other information in the cited sentence.

 Fixed - imported corroborating source. Bneu2013 (talk) 18:18, 16 July 2023 (UTC)

18. AGF on offline source, but if you could provide me a relevant quote from there that would be great.

It's mentioned throughout the book. See this search result

Yeah Google Books isn't showing anything for me lol. AGF. :3 F4U (they/it) 21:44, 16 July 2023 (UTC)

19. Verified - It looks like 19 and 20 call this highway the "Business Loop", is there any more info on that?

That was a common name for routes of this type at the time, but never appears to have been used as an official name. It appears to have fallen out of use since the route was given it's official name. Bneu2013 (talk) 14:13, 16 July 2023 (UTC)

21. Verified

27./28. Verified date range

35. Verified, but the Mayor states some reasoning behind why the Downtown Loop was built, which is not in the article. Perhaps there is more information on this elsewhere.

The source alludes to the purpose of relieving downtown congestion on surface streets, which is mentioned in the planning paragraph. This was the purpose of the freeway plan that the Downtown Loop originated from. As for why this section was built first I do not know, but I suspect they waited until I-40 could be built to build the exchange with this route. Bneu2013 (talk) 18:26, 16 July 2023 (UTC)

44. Verified

46. Verified

47. Verified

49./50. Verified

63. Verified

No signs of close paraphrasing or copyvio from the spot-check. Article is neutral and stable. Seven-day hold to the nominator to address the above concerns. :3 F4U (they/it) 23:42, 15 July 2023 (UTC)

On a note completely unrelated to the article, Bneu did you know that the link at improperly edit logged out on your userpage links to the guidelines on subpages, instead of, presumably, the page on sockpuppetry? :3 F4U (they/it) 23:48, 15 July 2023 (UTC)

Thanks for catching that. While I don't personally think accidentally editing logged out (which I haven't done for at least three years) should be a blockable offense, there are some who will disagree. Bneu2013 (talk) 18:26, 16 July 2023 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Did you know nomination

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The result was: promoted by AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 22:00, 10 September 2023 (UTC)

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• ... that Tennessee State Route 158 provides access to Neyland Stadium and Thompson–Boling Arena at the University of Tennessee, as well as the Blount Mansion and James White's Fort in Knoxville? Source:
  • Reviewed:

Improved to Good Article status by Bneu2013 (talk). Self-nominated at 23:13, 16 July 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Tennessee State Route 158; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New enough: Long enough:

Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Adequate sourcing: Neutral: Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:

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• Interesting: - n

QPQ: Done.

Overall: @Bneu2013: Good article. Though, is a better hook possible since this doesn't interest me all too much. Onegreatjoke (talk) 17:13, 19 July 2023 (UTC)

@Onegreatjoke: Might I suggest:

ALT1 ... that James White's Fort is found on the James White Parkway, which was named after the American general James White?

ALT2 ... that portions of Tennessee State Route 158 have been called "Front Street", "Front Avenue", "Lakefront Drive", "Neyland Drive", and "James White Parkway"?

I'll list sources later when I get the time, I just want to tentatively see if these would be hooky enough. :3 F4U (they/it) 16:59, 25 July 2023 (UTC)

@Freedom4U and Onegreatjoke: Sorry for the delayed response. How about "... that James White's Fort is found on James White Parkway, which was named after an American general who founded Knoxville, Tennessee?" Also, FYI, in the Eastern U.S., we rarely use "the" in front of highway names. Bneu2013 (talk) 15:50, 3 August 2023 (UTC)

Is that so? I'm from Jersey and I say "the Garden State Parkway" and "the New Jersey Turnpike". I do say "I-95" without "the", but that's not a highway name. (I've moved your reply a bit, if you don't mind. That way everything is chronological) :3 F4U (they/it) 16:04, 3 August 2023 (UTC)

@Freedom4U: - there are some proper highway and road names that we put "the" in front of, but this isn't one of them. There's no clear pattern that I can find to differentiate between the two; I think it's just a matter of chance. Bneu2013 (talk) 17:26, 3 August 2023 (UTC)

Hook is fine i guess. Onegreatjoke (talk) 00:17, 18 August 2023 (UTC)