Talk:Tauhinukorokio / Mount Pleasant

Requested move 28 November 2020

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The result of the move request was: Consensus to move the hill article, no consensus for the suburb article. (non-admin closure) (t · c) buidhe 12:00, 5 December 2020 (UTC)

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• Mount Pleasant (New Zealand) → Tauhinukorokio / Mount Pleasant
• Mount Pleasant, New Zealand → ?

– Current titles provide no disambiguation between the mountain and the suburb, and are only distinct by virtue of their punctuation. I propose we move the name of the mountain to the official dual name (as per the gazetteer and local sources), but I'm not entirely sure what the suburb's article should be renamed to. Other examples from elsewhere in New Zealand don't really offer much guidance - from a look at places which share geographic and suburb names:

• Lyall Bay, Mount Victoria, Island Bay and Oriental Bay - shared articles between the geographic feature and the suburb
• Mount Wellington and Maungarei; Mount Roskill and Puketāpapa; and Mount Eden and Maungawhau - Māori name for the geographic feature, English name (and disambiguated if needed) for the suburb (note that the article for Maungawhau currently has a move request on it to revert to the dual name).
• One Tree Hill, New Zealand and Maungakiekie / One Tree Hill - Disambiguated name for the suburb, dual name for the geographic feature
• Mount Albert, New Zealand and Mount Albert (New Zealand) - same situation as this article, once there's a consensus here I'd like to apply the same ruling there as well.

Personally, I think that the best option might be to rename the suburb article to Mount Pleasant (Christchurch suburb) to provide a clear disambiguation of what the article covers. Renaming the hill's article to its dual name serves to disambiguate that well enough. Turnagra (talk) 00:49, 28 November 2020 (UTC)

• Support move of the hill as proposed. I’ve added the New Zealand Gazetteer place ID to Wikidata as that confirms the dual name as being official.
• Oppose the proposed move of the suburb article. It complies with WP:NCNZ and a hatnote can (continue to) point to the hill that gives the suburb its name. Nothing is broken that needs fixing. Schwede66 15:44, 30 November 2020 (UTC)

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Hatnote needed

As a result of a recent move to the official place name, I think a hat-note is needed to disambiguate this article from Mount Pleasant, New Zealand. - Cameron Dewe (talk) 23:48, 5 February 2021 (UTC)

It has a hatnote already! Schwede66 02:40, 6 February 2021 (UTC)

Yes, I added one after I wrote this note, just in case anyone wondered why I added one. - Cameron Dewe (talk) 03:10, 6 February 2021 (UTC)

Telecommunications use

If one looks a photographs of Mount Pleasant, one sees several thelecommunications structures. I know the site has been involve in providing Land Mobile Radio services from at least the 1970s, probably earlier. Also, post WW2 the New Zealand Post and Telegraph Department/Post Office/NZPO Telecoms/Telecom operated VHF voice circuits as well as Land Mobile Radio from hilltop sites like Mount Pleasant, but I haven't located any sources or explanations for the existing strutures. - Cameron Dewe (talk) 03:10, 6 February 2021 (UTC)

The ship Pegasus

I know the article says the mountain was given the name Mount Pleasant by the crew of HMS Pegasus because that is what it says in the sources, but could they be wrong? According to the Pegasus Bay article the brig Pegasus that surveyed the coast in 1809 was a prize ship that was sold into private ownership before sailing via the Sealing Islands of NZ and then on to London. It does not seem to be a Royal Navy ship per se, so why is it designated HMS? As a merchantman it wouldn't normally have that appellation. Or am I missing something, like the ship was making some sort of secret mapping mission and under contract to the Navy. - Cameron Dewe (talk) 07:23, 7 February 2021 (UTC)

Requested move 2 November 2021

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: Not moved I'm retracting this move request as there is no primary topic as I intially stated and there seems to be a consensus for not moving the article. Spekkios (talk) 08:05, 2 November 2021 (UTC)

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• Tauhinukorokio / Mount Pleasant → Mount Pleasant
• Mount Pleasant, New Zealand → Mount Pleasant (Suburb)
• Mount Pleasant → Mount Pleasant (disambiguation)

– Proposed titles would better reflect what the articles are about. The mountain is the primary topic for this page while the suburb is not. Spekkios (talk) 01:52, 2 November 2021 (UTC)

Oppose the first suggestion. Barely anyone refers to that hill as Mount Pleasant. It should be moved to Tauhinukorokio.

Oppose the second suggestion. The suburb should be the the primary page for Mount Pleasant in New Zealand to reflect common English usage. -- haminoon (talk) 03:51, 2 November 2021 (UTC)

• Comment I can't find a source that really uses the dual name. I am not sure this even meets the old naming conventions. Although it is terrible name to google as mountains are generally pleasant. Aircorn (talk) 05:18, 2 November 2021 (UTC)
• Oppose both there are over eighty places named Mount Pleasant, I'm almost certain that this one wouldn't be the WP:PRIMARYTOPIC. Reverting the move from the dual place name would only serve to add unnecessary disambiguation requirements and cause confusion with the suburb, failing WP:PRECISION. Turnagra (talk) 08:15, 2 November 2021 (UTC)

Requested move of associated disambiguation

• Move to Tauhinukorokio or maybe Mount Pleasant (hill) per MOS:SLASH—noting here that the former is a more natural disambiguation. Leave other pages as-is. Rotideypoc41352 (talk · contribs) 16:01, 2 November 2021 (UTC)

• MOS:SLASH has exceptions for when the actual title of an article should have a slash in it - as is the case here, with Tauhinukorokio / Mount Pleasant as the official name for the hill. It's consistent with usage across other NZ places with dual names, such as Aoraki / Mount Cook and Whakaari / White Island. WP:NZNC has further guidelines on this. Turnagra (talk) 18:23, 2 November 2021 (UTC)

• Strong Oppose to the first and third items. Many place share this name and there is no obvious primary topic, and certainly not this peak. No opinion on what better names might be for the first two -- NZ conventions would apply. older ≠ wiser 16:33, 2 November 2021 (UTC)