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Expansion to 18 teams as of 2016 is official

As per this article - http://www.rugby.com.au/superrugby/News/Article/tabid/959/ArticleID/14327/Japan-and-Argentina-officially-join-Super-Rugby.aspx The current Wikipedia article mentions that there are talks of expansion, but it's official signed and agreed. Can someone please update accordingly? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.168.181.30 (talk) 04:13, 7 January 2015 (UTC)

Broadcast in 41 countries (2006 figure)

"Matches are now broadcast in 41 countries." Isn/t it time to cite a more recent reference, esp if using 'now'? wcrosbie (talk), Melbourne, Australia 07:21, 14 February 2011 (UTC)

References

Changes to past winners tables (again)

Super 10 winners have found a way back onto the article, now that there is an official Super Rugby website that does not mention Super 10 results but only 1996 onwards as Super Rugby and hence why Super 10 has its own article, if there's no objection I'll remove them. --sss333 (talk) 04:38, 8 July 2011 (UTC)

SA teams'stadiums

There seem to be a few issues with the stadiums listed for SA teams.

I agree with the Bulls having Orlando Stadium listed, as they have hosted matches there. The Cheetahs have played at Free State Stadium, and Hoffe Park Stadium, but have not hosted a match at Peter Mokaba Stadium. They have however hosted a match at North West Stadium. The Lions have never hosted a match at FNB Stadium or Mbombela Stadium. The Sharks have not hosted a match at Moses Mabhida Stadium. The Stormers have played at Cape Town Stadium, but only as an away team, they have not hosted a match there.

I propose that changes be made to reflect this, unless someone presents a case which shows otherwise Crazydude22 (talk) 10:14, 23 April 2012 (UTC)

Overuse of National flags

Why do we need to have the national flag of each team on each and every list in this article? It seems like total overkill. The "Current Franchise" list clearly details where each franchise is from so why does the flag need to precede each team on each list? I propose to delete all national flags with the exception of the "Current franchise" list as they are not necessary. Any issues? Anderch (talk) 03:29, 21 March 2014 (UTC)

I think that it is useful at times having those flags. For example, you can quickly look at the "Champions" section and see that South African teams won the competition three times. So I think there's some benefit there. But there's no point in having flags in the "Conference Winners" section, since each column represents a different country, so all flags would be the same. TheMightyPeanut (talk) 10:47, 21 March 2014 (UTC)

I somewhat agree with you however I thinking that the Champions table should be sortable and if this is the case then the flags would have to go and maybe replaced with a "Winning Country" Column. In any case the team list is just above it and it take two seconds to look also if you go to the teams page all info is there too. The flags are largely superfluous on this page because ultimately it is a club competition not a country or international competition, so if anything club logos should be displayed not country flags. Anderch (talk) 06:32, 5 April 2014 (UTC)

Have commenced removing unnecessary flags as of 10 April 2014. Anderch (talk) 02:25, 10 April 2014 (UTC)

Table ranking on tied points

The article does not say how teams are ranked when they are tied on points. This is taken from the superxv.com site:

In the event of two or more teams being equal on competition points for any position on either the Conference or Super Rugby Standings tables, either during or at the end of the season, such position will be decided upon using the following steps until the tie is broken:
(a) Most wins from all matches;
(b) Highest aggregate points difference from all matches;
(c) Most tries from all matches;
(d) Highest aggregate difference of total tries for versus tries scored against from all matches;
(e) Coin toss.

The following table is taken from the this site after the games played on 4 April 2014.

	Team	P	W	L	D	B	PF	PA	PD	Bp	Ttl
4	Lions	6	4	2	0	0	157	148	9	0	16
5	Waratahs	5	3	2	0	0	140	94	46	4	16
6	Bulls	6	3	2	1	0	145	138	7	2	16
7	Blues	7	3	4	0	0	193	198	-5	4	16

--Jamieoglethorpe (talk) 04:23, 5 April 2014 (UTC)

You are right but is this level of information necessary? You could add a brief sentence about in in the format section and refer people to the super rugby web page for more detail but this much detail is not needed here. Anderch (talk) 20:16, 5 April 2014 (UTC)

That information is already on the season article pages, eg. on 2014 Super Rugby season, just below the log in the "Legend and Competition rules" table. It doesn't really make sense to have in on this article, when there isn't actually any standings on this page. I I agree with Anderch, it's an overkill on this page. TheMightyPeanut (talk) 09:51, 6 April 2014 (UTC)

References

New Champions Table

I have come up with a modified Champions table from the one that is on the main page that contains a little bit more information and also is now sortable. This has meant columns have changed but all existing info is still there. I debate whether on not it is necessary to have "losing semi finalists" in a champions table as to me this doesn't make sense but I have left them in. If no one has any issues I will replace the table on the main page with this one. Anderch (talk) 01:22, 19 April 2014 (UTC)

Year	# of Teams	Champion	Score	Runner-up	Final Venue	Winning Country	1st losing semi-finalist	2nd losing semi-finalist
1996	12	Blues	45 – 21	Sharks	Eden Park, Auckland	New Zealand	Reds	Bulls
1997	12	Blues	23 – 7	Brumbies	Eden Park, Auckland	New Zealand	Hurricanes	Sharks
1998	12	Crusaders	20 – 13	Blues	Eden Park, Auckland	New Zealand	Sharks	Highlanders
1999	12	Crusaders	24 – 19	Highlanders	Carisbrook, Dunedin	New Zealand	Reds	Stormers
2000	12	Crusaders	20 – 19	Brumbies	Canberra Stadium, Canberra	New Zealand	Highlanders	Cats
2001	12	Brumbies	36 – 6	Sharks	Canberra Stadium, Canberra	Australia	Cats	Reds
2002	12	Crusaders	31 – 13	Brumbies	Lancaster Park, Christchurch	New Zealand	Waratahs	Highlanders
2003	12	Blues	21 – 17	Crusaders	Eden Park, Auckland	New Zealand	Hurricanes	Brumbies
2004	12	Brumbies	47 – 38	Crusaders	Canberra Stadium, Canberra	Australia	Stormers	Chiefs
2005	12	Crusaders	35 – 25	Waratahs	Lancaster Park, Christchurch	New Zealand	Bulls	Hurricanes
2006	14	Crusaders	19 – 12	Hurricanes	Lancaster Park, Christchurch	New Zealand	Waratahs	Bulls
2007	14	Bulls	20 – 19	Sharks	Kings Park Stadium, Durban	South Africa	Crusaders	Blues
2008	14	Crusaders	20 – 12	Waratahs	Lancaster Park, Christchurch	New Zealand	Sharks	Hurricanes
2009	14	Bulls	61 – 17	Chiefs	Loftus Versfeld Stadium, Pretoria	South Africa	Hurricanes	Crusaders
2010	14	Bulls	25 – 17	Stormers	Orlando Stadium, Soweto	South Africa	Crusaders	Waratahs
2011	15	Reds	18 – 13	Crusaders	Lang Park, Brisbane	Australia	Blues	Stormers
2012	15	Chiefs	37 – 6	Sharks	Waikato Stadium, Hamilton	New Zealand	Crusaders	Stormers
2013	15	Chiefs	27 – 22	Brumbies	Waikato Stadium, Hamilton	New Zealand	Crusaders	Bulls

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I think it looks better. I've made a few changes as per the Manual of Style -- including minor things like capitalisation, and tried to ensure it has better access to those with screen readers (as per WP:ACCESS). I've listed the table below. I'd be happy for you to boldly replace the current table with this one.

Summary of Super Rugby champions

Year	Competing teams	Champion	Score	Runner-up	Final venue	Winning country	First losing semi-finalist	Second losing semi-finalist
1996	12	Blues	45 – 21	Sharks	Eden Park, Auckland	New Zealand	Reds	Bulls
1997	12	Blues	23 – 7	Brumbies	Eden Park, Auckland	New Zealand	Hurricanes	Sharks
1998	12	Crusaders	20 – 13	Blues	Eden Park, Auckland	New Zealand	Sharks	Highlanders
1999	12	Crusaders	24 – 19	Highlanders	Carisbrook, Dunedin	New Zealand	Reds	Stormers
2000	12	Crusaders	20 – 19	Brumbies	Canberra Stadium, Canberra	New Zealand	Highlanders	Cats
2001	12	Brumbies	36 – 6	Sharks	Canberra Stadium, Canberra	Australia	Cats	Reds
2002	12	Crusaders	31 – 13	Brumbies	Lancaster Park, Christchurch	New Zealand	Waratahs	Highlanders
2003	12	Blues	21 – 17	Crusaders	Eden Park, Auckland	New Zealand	Hurricanes	Brumbies
2004	12	Brumbies	47 – 38	Crusaders	Canberra Stadium, Canberra	Australia	Stormers	Chiefs
2005	12	Crusaders	35 – 25	Waratahs	Lancaster Park, Christchurch	New Zealand	Bulls	Hurricanes
2006	14	Crusaders	19 – 12	Hurricanes	Lancaster Park, Christchurch	New Zealand	Waratahs	Bulls
2007	14	Bulls	20 – 19	Sharks	Kings Park Stadium, Durban	South Africa	Crusaders	Blues
2008	14	Crusaders	20 – 12	Waratahs	Lancaster Park, Christchurch	New Zealand	Sharks	Hurricanes
2009	14	Bulls	61 – 17	Chiefs	Loftus Versfeld Stadium, Pretoria	South Africa	Hurricanes	Crusaders
2010	14	Bulls	25 – 17	Stormers	Orlando Stadium, Soweto	South Africa	Crusaders	Waratahs
2011	15	Reds	18 – 13	Crusaders	Lang Park, Brisbane	Australia	Blues	Stormers
2012	15	Chiefs	37 – 6	Sharks	Waikato Stadium, Hamilton	New Zealand	Crusaders	Stormers
2013	15	Chiefs	27 – 22	Brumbies	Waikato Stadium, Hamilton	New Zealand	Crusaders	Bulls

This page has reverted to a very old version

Has anyone noticed how this page has reverted to a very old version? eg about three months old. Can anyone explain why or how this has happened? I can't see any changes in the history page. Can it be changed back?? Anderch (talk) 07:42, 27 July 2014 (UTC)

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Salary Cap

What are the Argentine and Japanese salary caps or do they have any? Mobile mundo (talk) 00:19, 13 October 2016 (UTC)

Salary Cap section needs to be re-written, it's a direct copy of the NZ herald article. 219.89.80.123 (talk) 06:54, 29 March 2017 (UTC)

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Women's competition

Please add the Women's Super Rugby info here 2406:E003:1494:C201:9893:7DE8:6DE0:2B7C (talk) 08:08, 27 May 2022 (UTC)

Cats and the Lions as former franchises?

Is there a need to list both names in the list? It seems redundant, since it's just a name change. The club was known as the Lions before changing to the Cats; by that logic, should the Lions be listed twice? —C.Fred (talk) 19:42, 21 July 2022 (UTC)

I think it should personally be included here somewhere, although I would also be happy with a hatnote stating that between certain years they were known as the Cats. Rugbyfan22 (talk) 17:48, 22 July 2022 (UTC)