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Requested move at Talk:World Club Championship rugby union#Requested move 3 April 2022Edit

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:World Club Championship rugby union#Requested move 3 April 2022 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. 🐶 EpicPupper (he/him | talk) 07:13, 9 April 2022 (UTC)

User script to detect unreliable sourcesEdit

I have (with the help of others) made a small user script to detect and highlight various links to unreliable sources and predatory journals. Some of you may already be familiar with it, given it is currently the 39th most imported script on Wikipedia. The idea is that it takes something like

  • John Smith "Article of things" Accessed 2020-02-14. (John Smith "[ Article of things]" ''''. Accessed 2020-02-14.)

and turns it into something like

It will work on a variety of links, including those from {{cite web}}, {{cite journal}} and {{doi}}.

The script is mostly based on WP:RSPSOURCES, WP:NPPSG and WP:CITEWATCH and a good dose of common sense. I'm always expanding coverage and tweaking the script's logic, so general feedback and suggestions to expand coverage to other unreliable sources are always welcomed.

Do note that this is not a script to be mindlessly used, and several caveats apply. Details and instructions are available at User:Headbomb/unreliable. Questions, comments and requests can be made at User talk:Headbomb/unreliable.

- Headbomb {t · c · p · b}

This is a one time notice and can't be unsubscribed from. Delivered by: MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 16:02, 29 April 2022 (UTC)

Current Leinster players at AfDEdit

Hi all, There's currently a couple of current Leinster players at AfD in Martin Moloney and Brian Deeny. I've had a look myself and haven't been able to find much GNG coverage so have suggested redirect, but knowing we have some Leinster rugby editors in @LeinsterLad:, @Mrgoggins90: and @Neiliog93: they might be able to find some GNG sourcing. @MunsterFan2011: and @Nicknack009: I appreciate this is not your side but you may have access to Irish sources behind a paywall so if you could have a search as well that would be great. At the moment I'm happy with redirect but don't want to have them redirect if I'm missing sourcing. Thanks all. Rugbyfan22 (talk) 18:14, 9 May 2022 (UTC)

They're both still academy players, so it was probably premature to create articles for them, especially in the current atmosphere. They may become notable in seasons to come, but I don't think they can be said to be yet. But I'll see what I can find, to at least keep the deletion discussion honest. --Nicknack009 (talk) 18:54, 9 May 2022 (UTC)

Ulster Rugby current squadEdit

Just to let you all know, I have expanded and refed-up the articles for every player in the current Ulster Rugby squad. The way things are going, I expect a few of them to get nominated for deletion. If they are, there should be enough there to enable an informed discussion at least.

I've redirected two, Azur Allison and Jude Postlethwaite, to the academy squad section on the Ulster Rugby article. Allison is an academy player who made one senior appearance two years ago, and would have passed the old guidelines but not the new ones. Postlethwaite is an academy player who doesn't have a single senior appearance to his name, so he wouldn't have passed the old ones. He'll be a senior player next season, so if he becomes notable the redirect can be converted back into an article. --Nicknack009 (talk) 12:42, 20 May 2022 (UTC)

Honestly from simple searches I think there might be enough for GNG passes on both of these, so have reverted while I look to expand. Postlethwaite passed old guidelines for his Irish Sevens appearances. Just because they're academy players doesn't mean coverage won't exist on them. If I can't find enough I'll revert back to redirects. Rugbyfan22 (talk) 17:51, 20 May 2022 (UTC)
As I thought, there's lots of coverage on Postlethwaite, given he's a young talent, Ireland U20s successes and from playing Sevens, so quite a comfortable GNG pass for him. On Allison there's less coverage, I've found a couple of bits but still intent to work a bit more on him in the future. Rugbyfan22 (talk) 10:48, 21 May 2022 (UTC)

Andrea MarcatoEdit

Hello, I've added his 2nd Italian championship as head coach here. Would someone review my English? --Blackcat   22:24, 28 May 2022 (UTC)

Done. Rugbyfan22 (talk) 10:10, 29 May 2022 (UTC)

Listing of caps for allegiance change playersEdit

Hi guys, following debate with MunsterFan2011 on Malakai Fekitoa, should a player who was previously capped by a national team, but then switched allegiance and yet to gain caps with their new nation, be bolded as an international player, or just left as unbolded. Fekitoa obviously has caps for NZ and so when he was under NZ allegiance he would be bolded, but now having switched to Tonga he has yet to be capped. My opinion is that he should be left unbolded as he hasn't been capped for Tonga yet, his new nation, but MunsterFan2011 has the opposite opinion. I've not seen any precedent for a situation like this before, so can we get some sort of clarification of WikiProject guide for the topic. Rugbyfan22 (talk) 13:23, 4 June 2022 (UTC)

Hi Rugbyfan22, just to explain my thinking, Fekitoa won 24 caps for New Zealand's national team between 2014 and 2017 and won the 2015 Rugby World Cup, meaning he has legitimate international caps for a recognised international team. The player subsequently switched international allegiance to his native Tonga in 2021, though I appreciate he hasn't been capped by their 15s team at present, but I don't see how this means he is no longer an internationally-capped player; his change in allegiance doesn't 'remove' his previous international caps, it just means he no longer represents the particular team he won those international caps with (in my opinion). MunsterFan2011 (talk) 13:28, 4 June 2022 (UTC)
(edit conflict) Leave it until he plays for the new country. In case he doesn't play, you can just say he was called up to Tonga in the body. Otherwise leave him bolded for NZ until he plays for Tonga then bold him for that. The C of E God Save the Queen! (talk) 13:31, 4 June 2022 (UTC)
The C of E, my issue with this is that he's already committed to Tonga and represented them in 7s, which caps him now to Tonga (he can't switch again), he can't go back to playing for NZ and can only play for Tonga from now on, so I don't think this is the best solution. Rugbyfan22 (talk) 13:35, 4 June 2022 (UTC)
MunsterFan2011 Obviously those international caps are correct, and the notes on bolding on the squad boxes states they're for internationally capped players, which Fekitoa is. However, I don't like how he's listed as capped and Tongan. I've added a note for now as you've probably seen, but it would be good to get a WikiProject policy as I think this is a situation that will continue to arise in the next few years. I imagine Fekitoa will win a Tongan cap this summer anyway, but there's already a couple of other examples such as Gheorghe Gajion which will need sorting. Rugbyfan22 (talk) 13:33, 4 June 2022 (UTC)
Hi all, the way I see it, there are two inescapable fact here. Firstly, Fekitoa is an internationall-capped player by virtue of his NZ caps. The criteria for changing the text to bold has clearly been met. Secondly, the player has switched international allegiance back to his native Tonga and, as Rugbyfan22 has pointed out, will not be able to change it again, therefore it is accurate to state that Fekitoa is Tongan and add Tonga's flag against his name. He may or may not go on to be capped by Tonga's 15s team, but even if he isn't, the two aforementioned facts still stand. He is Tongan, and he is internationally-capped. I appreciate it is unusual given that this development in rugby union is quite recent, but to label Fekitoa as New Zealand would be inaccurate, and to classify him as not internationally-capped would also be inaccurate. MunsterFan2011 (talk) 13:42, 4 June 2022 (UTC)
What is the purpose of the bolding? It is to indicate players with senior international experience. It is confusing that Fekitoa would show up in bold despite not having played for his new nation yet, but he is an international player and should be indicated as such, IMO. – PeeJay 13:43, 4 June 2022 (UTC)
PeeJay, The bolding indicates a player who's played internationally for their full XV national side. Players who are capped at 7s or for A/XV 15-a side teams aren't bolded. Rugbyfan22 (talk) 13:49, 4 June 2022 (UTC)
Has Fekitoa not played internationally for a full XV national side? – PeeJay 13:50, 4 June 2022 (UTC)
Fekitoa has played internationally for New Zealand's XV national side, but has officially changed allegiance to Tonga having played for them in the Olympic 7s qualification tournament, meaning he is tied to Tonga. As of now he has yet to play for Tonga's full XV national side. Rugbyfan22 (talk) 13:52, 4 June 2022 (UTC)
I've already addressed this. The bolding indicates players with senior international experience, which Fekitoa has. It doesn't matter that it's not for the nation that he's currently affiliated to. – PeeJay 13:53, 4 June 2022 (UTC)
Should the flagged nation not reflect the international caps though, this is my issue, as it currently reads as if he's internationally capped for Tonga. Rugbyfan22 (talk) 13:56, 4 June 2022 (UTC)
That's why I said I realise it's confusing, but not bolding him makes it seem like he has no international experience, which he does. – PeeJay 14:07, 4 June 2022 (UTC)

Alessandro GarbisiEdit

Hello, yesterday Garbisi jr. won his 1st cap for Italy. I added some info. Would someone please review my English? Thanks in advance, -- Blackcat   21:44, 2 July 2022 (UTC)