Talk:Sun Tzu (mathematician)

The date given (third century CE) seems unlikely - for further information see the St Andrews web site at http://www-groups.dcs.st-and.ac.uk/~history/Biographies/Sun_Zi.html - Dave Benson, Aberdeen

Han zi please

Could someone add his chinese name in chinese characters? --71.107.217.63 22:18, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

Is this article worth having?

Nothing is known about this author, apart from the author name in the book, and it's unlikely that anything more will be discovered. I would suggest that this topic would better be a redirection to The Mathematical Classic of Sun Zi and any extra material copied to that article. If nobody objects, I'll do this. Chris55 (talk) 10:08, 16 February 2013 (UTC)

Requested move 28 July 2016

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The result of the move request was: merge to The Mathematical Classic of Sunzi. BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 08:07, 22 August 2016 (UTC)

• PS Pinging the participants (Timmyshin, AjaxSmack, Andy M. Wang, JFG), to ask whether one of them would be kind enough to perform the merge. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 08:11, 22 August 2016 (UTC)

 Done @BrownHairedGirl, Timmyshin, Andy M. Wang, AjaxSmack, and Chris55: Merged. — JFG ^talk 13:24, 25 August 2016 (UTC)

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Sun Tzu (mathematician) → Sunzi (mathematician) – The current title isn't WP:CONSISTENT with the title of his work The Mathematical Classic of Sunzi. Timmyshin (talk) 03:23, 28 July 2016 (UTC) --Relisting.  — Amakuru (talk) 12:46, 5 August 2016 (UTC)

• Comment While "Sunzi" would be correct Pinyin, I believe "Sun Tzu" has become a sort of WP:COMMONNAME. — Andy W. (talk · ctb) 14:40, 28 July 2016 (UTC)

• We are not talking about the Art of War author, this is a different person. Gsearch results:

• "mathematical classic" + "sun zi" -wikipedia = 1850
• "mathematical classic" + "sunzi" -wikipedia = 950
• "mathematical classic" + "sun tzu" -wikipedia = 348

So it's probably either "Sun Zi" or "Sunzi". I don't care which, so long the book and the mathematician's articles are WP:CONSISTENT. Timmyshin (talk) 18:22, 30 July 2016 (UTC)

• Support Sunzi (mathematician) per WP:PINYIN. Unlike the Art of War author Sun Tzu, this Sunzi does not have a common non-pinyin name in English. Wikipedia tends to use the zi without a space (e.g. Zengzi, Laozi, Mozi). —  AjaxSmack  23:17, 5 August 2016 (UTC)
• Struck some, makes sense. Support. (shows how much the Art of War guy is a primary topic) — Andy W. (talk · ctb) 04:42, 10 August 2016 (UTC)
• Oppose – Wikipedia is not improved by assigning one romanization to "Art of War" Sun Tzu and another one to "Mathematical Classic" Sunzi. Both can be legitimately transcribed both ways, and I suspect that the mathematician is more often romanized with pinyin because his work was discovered outside China only in post-pinyin days (the article cites a 1992 study of early Chinese math), whereas military Sun Tzu has been renowned for centuries and retains the earlier Wade-Giles romanization in most references and bibliographies. I have an alternative proposal: seeing how short the articles on Sunzi and his mathematical treatise are, and noting that the math page says The specific identity of its author Sun Tzu (lit. "Master Sun") is still unknown, I suggest to merge the Sunzi (mathematician) page to The Mathematical Classic of Sunzi because the existence of this book is the only thing we know about this person, so there is little chance of his article ever expanding. — JFG ^talk 00:18, 18 August 2016 (UTC)

Note than another editor suggested exactly the same thing in 2013, see above #Is this article worth having? — JFG ^talk 13:02, 18 August 2016 (UTC)

I'm fine with a merge too. —  AjaxSmack  05:08, 21 August 2016 (UTC)

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