Talk:Srb uprising

Two remarks

1. This article's name (and therefore its content) should be Srb uprising, because that's what it was. C.f. Operation Medak Pocket (and not "Medak Pocket massacre").
2. Ustaše had killed 38,000 Serbs in Jadovno concentration camp alone (per Jakovina source). To omit this fact completely, while stating laconically that the Serbs rebelled simply because they were "disappointed", is a grotesque distortion.

Tagged with {{POV}}, therefore. GregorB (talk) 15:33, 1 August 2012 (UTC)

I've missed the most glaring error: there was actually no massacre in Srb at all. GregorB (talk) 20:57, 1 August 2012 (UTC)

Wustenfuchs, seriously now, Josip Pavičić's profession is apparently being literary critic, please use actual historians for sourcing historical events, rather than right-wing columnists. --Joy [shallot] (talk) 13:01, 3 August 2012 (UTC)

Egad. http://www.naklada-pavicic.hr/kritike.htm says:

Josip Pavičić rođen je 1944. u Bjelovaru, a porijeklom je iz Like, iz Boričevca, odakle su mu roditelji morali iseliti 1941. Emotivno je vrlo snažno vezan za rodni kraj svojih predaka, pa je pripremio za tisak knjigu Dosje Boričevac – O životu nestalog sela.

So not only are they not a reliable source by way of content, they actually have a documented bias on the exact same matter. *sigh* --Joy [shallot] (talk) 13:18, 3 August 2012 (UTC)

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Jareb

@Peacemaker67:, have you tried doing a Web search for Jareb? It seems he is very much associated with fringe right-wing people (ie., Ustaša sympathizers), and on some of those right-fringe sites that come up on the first page of Google's results he is quoted as saying some weird stuff. Here is a secondary source describing a scandalously absurd history textbook for kids that he authored: https://www.index.hr/vijesti/clanak/skandalozni-udzbenik-kaze-da-se-crkva-protivila-fasizmu-a-partizane-ne-spominje/2070079.aspx .

I never saw him mentioned in a good light except on fringe sites or shows. Actually, he is mentioned only on those sites.

This is his Google Scholar account: https://scholar.google.com/citations?hl=en&user=VRRQ97kAAAAJ Notrium (talk) 00:13, 16 October 2019 (UTC)

Mario Jareb has a PhD from the University of Croatia, was a Fulbright scholar before that at the University of Indiana, and is reliably published, not only his 2006 book on the Ustasha movement, but also chapters in two books on WWII Yugoslavia edited by Ramet. There is no indication that I have seen that he is a fringe source. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 00:22, 16 October 2019 (UTC)

@Peacemaker67:, Even the indications I just gave above?? The index.hr link proves that Jareb is a controversial fringe source, at least of history textbooks for kids. How could one trust him after he shamelessly writes revisionist propaganda (aimed at kids) on the very topics (or related) that we know he is into distorting?

I do not know if you understand Croato-Serbian, if you want a translation of the index.hr article, or some of his comments on fringe sites or shows, just tell me.

Now, since he is a published historian we could mention his stance, but necessarily with attribution to him, as described on WP:POV.

Nitpick: There is no such thing as a "University of Croatia". It could be, for example, University of Zagreb. Notrium (talk) 01:30, 16 October 2019 (UTC)

Sorry, from the University of Zagreb. Nevertheless, we don't know what contributions Jareb made to the textbook, Jareb was not afforded a right of reply in the index.hr article, and it presents only one view, that of Klasić. I know nothing about Klasić's qualifications, other than that he is apparently a historian and presumably works at the University of Zagreb. In any case, we wouldn't be using the school textbook as a source on WP, so I fail to see what the issue is. Do you have any negative reviews of his academic (not school textbook) work by other academics? I do not see the need to attribute him unless a particular view expressed in an academic source has been criticised by another academic, in which case we would compare and contrast their views. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 03:07, 16 October 2019 (UTC)