Talk:School of Science and Technology, Singapore

Clean up

The prose has been recast to remove promotional content. Some further clean up and referencing is needed, and the images need to be checked for free use and genuine uploader creation. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 06:24, 7 September 2012 (UTC)

REQUEST FROM SST

Appreciate if you could amend the curriculum with the following FACTS since the banner has kept reverting back to the old changes after we tried to make the edits:

The School of Science and Technology, Singapore (SST) is a specialised independent (There's a difference between, govt, govt-aided, autonomous, independent and specialised independent) high-school (people may think we're a faculty in a university if it is not specified) institution established in Singapore in 2010

It is a subsidiary under Ngee Ann Polytechnic (NP) and with its parent organisation, Ministry of Education (MOE) (need to elaborate this as the announcement and the signing was done by the previous Minister for Education), SST targets university-bound students, regardless of their post-secondary and pre-university route. (If you read on Singapore's education system, we have 3 different routes that are bound for university. Unfortunately only the Junior College route is more popular than the other as the chances are higher. The polytechnic route is not as popular as the local universities admit only 15% of polytechnic graduates - do note that we are a subsidiary under a polytechnic so we do not want people to have a perception. The current writeup is quite deceiving) With a focus on applied learning and frequent uses of learning devices such as MacBook Pros[2][3] , it is the one of the only six schools (not the 6th school) involved in MOE and InfoComm Development Authority (IDA)'s (need to elaborate the ministry and statutory board in as there is another future programme initiative with another agency) FutureSchools@Singapore project.

On 3 Mar 2009, SST signed a Memorandum of Understanding (MOU) with NP and Nanyanag Technological University. (This is an important Milestone to SST which was removed by one of the editors.)

Year 1 and 2 students take the usual subjects including integrated humanities of either History and Geography, plus Infomation and Communications Technology (ICT), Innovation and Entrepreneurship (I & E) as well as Art, Design, Media & Technology (ADMT). (Note that we do not teach Literature unlike other mainstream schools, and included ICT and I & E as a core subject, which is not offered by mainstream schools at all. So please do not say that it is 'USUAL' as we offer a completely different curriculum)

Please also include the Vice Principals' names as they were involved in the planning and curriculum of the school.

Please also indicate that we are a single session as a good number of high schools in Singapore offers double sessions.

Talent Development Programme SST's Talent Development Programme is based on their 'Levels of Service' (LoS) Talent Development Model. The four levels of the LoS Development Framework measures the individual students' ability, expertise, motivation and talent. The students at the highest LoS will participate in additional programmes which include mentorships, advanced independent research or inquiry subjects and internships. (Our TDP is unique and the only one offered in Singapore. The students are not singled out before admission but are identified only after a year of studies unlike other specialised independent schools)

One of the editors deleted 'show choir' from our list of CCA programmes.

Our classrooms are not on the 4th and 5th floors. We have classrooms on EVERY floor. Please also indicate a note that they are air-conditioned. We are one of the few schools in Singapore with this advantage.

Please also include the following NEWS references that my colleague has so painstakingly collated: ^ "School of Science and Technology to open in 2010". 4 Mar 2008. http://www.housingbbs.com/sg/Home-Family-House-Household-subjects/School-of-Science-and-Technology-to-open-in-2010-Household-Housing-BBS-5131-1-1.html. ^ "Schools navigate Web of challenges". TODAYonline. 12 Jun 2012. http://www.todayonline.com/Focus/Education/EDC120612-0000002/Schools-navigate-Web-of-challenges. ^ "Wanted! - Innovative, Creative Individuals for School of Science and Technology". Schoolbag.sg. 19 Mar 2008. http://www.schoolbag.sg/archives/2008/03/wanted_innovative_creative_ind.php. ^ "New School of Science and Technology to Open in 2010". Singapore: Ministry of Education. 2008-03-03. http://www.moe.gov.sg/media/press/2008/03/new-school-of-science-and-tech.php. Retrieved 7 September 2012. ^ "Schools of the future". The Business Times. 2 Dec 2009. http://www.asiaone.com/News/Education/Story/A1Story20091130-183155.html. ^ "SST and Ngee Ann Polytechnic signs MOU with Nanyang Technological University". http://news.ntu.edu.sg/pages/newsdetail.aspx?URL=http://news.ntu.edu.sg/news/Pages/Speeches2009_Mar03.aspx&Guid=a8ff7fab-9674-46d8-a34e-f14e21a20f45&Category=All. Retrieved 3 Mar 2009. ^ "NP partners School of Science & Technology, S'pore and NTU". http://www.np.edu.sg/home/media/release/year2009/jan_mar/Pages/20090305.aspx. Retrieved 3 Mar 2009. ^ "Ngee Ann Kongsi donates S$8.1m to School of Science and Technology". Channel News Asia. 29 Mar 2010. http://www.channelnewsasia.com/stories/singaporelocalnews/view/1046629/1/.html. ^ "Ngee Ann Kongsi makes S$8.1 donation to SST". http://www.sst.edu.sg/template02.dwt.php?page=102&action=4&year=2010#J11. ^ "SST Groundbreaking Ceremony and the Ngee Ann Kongsi Cheque Presentation Ceremony". http://www.moe.gov.sg/media/speeches/2010/03/29/speech-by-ms-grace-fu-at-sst-groundbreaking-ceremony.php. Retrieved 29 Mar 2010. ^ "SST Portal: Overview". www.sst.edu.sg. http://www.sst.edu.sg/template02.dwt.php?page=108. Retrieved 2010-09-02. ^ "School of Science and Technology sees big response to its style of education". xinmsn. 27 May 2009. http://news.xin.msn.com/en/singapore/article.aspx?cp-documentid=3868358. ^ "SST Portal: Our Facilities". www.sst.edu.sg. http://www.sst.edu.sg/template02.dwt.php?page=28. Retrieved 2010-09-02. ^ "SST builds new site to accomodate young entrepreneurs and create links with local community". 04 Mar 2010. http://www.worldarchitecturenews.com/index.php?fuseaction=wanappln.projectview&upload_id=13592. ^ "SST is now part of the elite Strategic Alliance of Global Educators". http://www.sagesch.org/cos/o.x?c=/wbn/pagetree&func=view&rid=1152346. Retrieved 15 Aug 2012. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lumcarol (talk • contribs) 17:04, 8 September 2012 (UTC)

The article also has numerous grammatical errors. Please assist to edit as it is quite unsightly.

Please make these changes as soon as possible as the article contains incorrect information.

Thanks {{Lumcarol (talk) 08:49, 10 September 2012 (UTC)|Lumcarol}}

A first reply:

• air conditioned class rooms = not relevant
• class rooms on every floor = not relevant
• vice principals names = not relevant
• www.housingbbs.com = a forum, considered not to be a reliable source
• the links to news on the own website, are all dead links. Beside that, the own website of an organisation is a so called "primary source", which is seldom regarded as reliable.

The Banner _talk 02:48, 9 September 2012 (UTC)

• If you refused the classrooms on every floor then please REMOVE the classrooms on the 4th and 5th floors, which you have so casually put in.
• Other region-wide schools have also stated air-conditioned classrooms as well.
• Other schools including NUS High have also indicated the vice principals' names. This is an obvious biasness.
• The links includes Channel News Asia and xinmsn. Look carefully.

Thanks. — Preceding Lumcarol (talk) 08:49, 10 September 2012 (UTC) comment added by Lumcarol (talk • contribs) 23:35, 9 September 2012 (UTC)

WP:OTHERCRAPEXISTS The Banner _talk 23:47, 9 September 2012 (UTC)

• Lumcarol, for the 4th and final time, please sign your posts. The article is full of irrelevant detail, and hence appears to be promotional even if the intention is not. The very mention of the aircon in the classrooms and other features is a clear demonstration of oneupmanship. Although I have campaigned to keep this article, when I first began to clean it up I was tempted to reduce it to a one-line stub. Please see WP:WPSCH/AG for more information on how to write school articles for Wikipedia. What other school articles contain is not an argument and they might not yet have received sufficient scrutiny from experienced editors to remove promotional claims. Take the examples of HCGS and Malvern College that have passed the criteria for WP:Good Article - they have no irrelevant detail. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 02:34, 10 September 2012 (UTC)

• Thanks for the tip Kudpung. I'll take note of that and refer to the examples. I'll try to retrieve some of my previous posts and sign them off as well. Am I allowed to remove the notice now? I notice that the header states 'Withdraw nom due to improvement to the article'--Lumcarol (talk) 08:56, 10 September 2012 (UTC)

It's been withdrawn, but unfortunately it will have to wait until an adminitrator comes along and closes it. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 14:27, 10 September 2012 (UTC)

COI

If there is any further editing by people closely connected with the School of Science and Technology, Singapore, the contributors will be blocked from editing, and editing of the article will be restricted to administrators only (WP:PP). Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 02:58, 28 September 2012 (UTC)

I'm confused. First we were asked to cite references, then we were asked to remove external links coz it made it look like an advertisement.--Lumcarol (talk) 01:21, 1 October 2012 (UTC)

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Updated cleanup

Hi, I have recently updated this page with new information sourced online, which is more accurate than the previous page. I have also removed promotional material, but for some reason User:The Banner reverted it to the original version, which I don't understand.

Removal of sources. The Banner talk 10:07, 14 November 2018 (UTC)

Oh, could you kindly emphasize which parts need to be improve? My first article so it'll be great if you could help me along!

RamboTanX (talk) 11:27, 14 November 2018 (UTC)

The whole article reads as an advertisement and needs to be toned down in style and tone. Overly detailed facts should be removed and more independent, reliable sources added. And I know that this is easier said then done and might be a stiff challenge. The Banner talk 11:32, 14 November 2018 (UTC)

Okay, I will revert to my version, and continue editing from there. The current one is indeed sounding like an advertisement

RamboTanX (talk) 04:00, 15 November 2018 (UTC)

Your next challenge will be the replacement of Facebook and the own website of the school by independent and reliable source. The Banner talk 15:52, 15 November 2018 (UTC)

Yes, that is next on my task. Are government websites considered a reliable source?

RamboTanX (talk) 16:44, 15 November 2018 (UTC)

That is still under debate but for now they are allowed. But when you can replace them by other reliable sources, please do so. The Banner talk 17:55, 15 November 2018 (UTC)

Okay, understood

RamboTanX (talk) 23:03, 15 November 2018 (UTC)

The Banner, I paid a visit to the library, and found a fair bit of newspapers that provide information about SST, what shall I do? Some important information in the newspapers are not available online.

RamboTanX (talk) 13:32, 16 November 2018 (UTC)

Also, I have the PDF versions of the articles, but I cannot attach the links as the links are from the library, and only library users can access it

RamboTanX (talk) 13:39, 16 November 2018 (UTC)

@RamboTanX: For newspapers you can only access in the library, use the Cite news template and just key in the details of the newspaper article. R22-3877 (talk) 15:55, 16 November 2018 (UTC)

Ah okay, thank you R22-3877.

RamboTanX (talk) 16:12, 16 November 2018 (UTC)

By the way, is there anyway to clean up reference numbers? Like according to ascending or descending order?

RamboTanX (talk) 16:12, 16 November 2018 (UTC)

For starters, there is no need to add as many sources as possible. It is enough when the sources back up the statement. Beside that, adding as many wikilinks as possible is also not needed. For example in the section "Academic Curriculum" you have linked almost every subject, and often twice. It would be useful to link just one and then only for non-standard subject. Most people know pretty well what biology or chemistry is as school subject. Be aware of overkill. The Banner talk 20:02, 16 November 2018 (UTC)

Thank you, The Banner. I will clean up within the next few days.

RamboTanX (talk) 14:14, 21 November 2018 (UTC)

Hello The Banner, I have done some changes, do you think the article is ready for the removal of the template message?

RamboTanX (talk) 15:41, 16 December 2018 (UTC)

To be honest: to my opinion NOT. Too much unsourced name dropping. Standard info about the curriculum and the campus is unnecessary and largely unsourced. The Banner talk 18:49, 16 December 2018 (UTC)

I thought the curriculum is important due to the difference between this school and other secondary schools in Singapore. But if it is unnecessary, I will remove it soon

RamboTanX (talk) 16:19, 17 December 2018 (UTC)

Special things are worth mentioning. But common things not. I guess every secondary school will teach English or (some form of) Mathematics. I do not know what you mean by "Mother Tongue Language" but that can be a point worth mentioning. For the campus: their are more schools in the world that have class rooms, specialized classrooms and sport facilities. The students clubs seem superfluous. The Banner talk 19:21, 17 December 2018 (UTC)

Mother Tongue Language in Singapore is a little different as compared to other countries, you can learn more about it here. I agree with the point that the common subjects taught is unnecessary, and hence will be removed. However, upon further research, there are a few subjects that are unique to SST, the Applied Subjects and the Extended Curriculum. I will also remove the part that SST has classrooms, which is redundant. I hope the changes will bring this page a step closer to the removal of the template message!

RamboTanX (talk) 15:00, 20 December 2018 (UTC)