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A fact from Saturn (SZA song) appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 5 April 2024 (check views). The text of the entry was as follows:
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The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.
QPQ: - Not done Overall: @Your Power and Lk95: The article overall looks fine, and I really like that cheeky hook, so good job! I should point out, though, that a QPQ submission is still needed... Plus, I feel like you could tweak the hook slightly, just to make clearer that SZA performed the song in direct endorsement of that forest restoration initiative. Oltrepier (talk) 15:25, 27 February 2024 (UTC)Reply
Will handle the QPQ soon, @Oltrepier. Anyways, I am not too entirely convinced of the request above. The DYK as it stands is already factually correct, and adding this specificity to the hook only serves to clutter it with additional, unnecessary information, which I feel diminishes the interest factor. Welcoming a third opinion, though Elias 🪐 (dreaming of Saturn; talk here) 08:09, 3 March 2024 (UTC)Reply
Oh... not sure about that either. "save the Earth by planting 100 million trees" is an intuitively easy thing to understand, and as such needs no linking Elias 🪐 (dreaming of Saturn; talk here) 09:33, 3 March 2024 (UTC)Reply
Found the hook prime to be clunky, so I propose an ALT1:
... that even if life might be better in Saturn, 100 million more trees planted can still make life here better for everyone?
Pinging Oltrepier for their thoughts on which variant is better. I will admit that contemp music articles are hard to DYK-ify in general, so any more hook suggestions would be useful here (considering i believe there is some interesting stuff presented in the article) Elias 🪐 (dreaming of Saturn; talk here) 10:46, 3 March 2024 (UTC)Reply
@Your Power: It looks good, thank you! To be honest, that's a very DYK-worthy caption already, so no worries: we can always work on the hook during the review phase. On a side note, how is the QPQ sub going? Oltrepier (talk) 10:57, 3 March 2024 (UTC)Reply
@Your Power: Please respond to the above. If a QPQ is not provided in a few days, this nomination may be closed as unsuccessful. Z1720 (talk) 15:15, 22 March 2024 (UTC)Reply
The hooks proposed are absolutely POV, reading like PR or plain propaganda. One's reforestation initiative can be presented without blanket endorsement, just like one artist's creative outburst or vague metaphor should not be addressed as an actual statement of belief. Regardless of how you feel about the cause championed here: find another, neutrally worded, hook; our readers are not idiots. Dahn (talk) 23:16, 24 March 2024 (UTC)Reply
Thank you for your comment. I will get to this with a new hook in a moment, but it will require a new nominated article to merge with this nom/hook + the QPQs to match. Will ping once this is settled Elias 🪐 (dreaming of Saturn; talk here) 08:11, 25 March 2024 (UTC)Reply
With the new article "Saturn Returns Interlude" created, I would like to propose the following hook:
@Your Power: Very nice idea, indeed! I would only suggest you, if you can, to create a new article for Kacey's song "Deeper Well" (since it was the lead single from the album), so you can complete the "trifecta" of nominations. Plus, make sure this coincidence is properly addressed in all of the three articles (currently, only the page about "Saturn Returns Interlude" mentions the topical bond between these three songs). Oltrepier (talk) 08:39, 26 March 2024 (UTC)Reply
Thank you @Oltrepier, but while I would love for "Deeper Well" to have its own article, coverage in RS outside of album reviews is currently sparse and I don't think WP:THREE (the guideline and the "trifecta" you mention) will be met. I have added the note about the coincidences to the "Saturn" article. Elias 🪐 (dreaming of Saturn; talk here) 06:06, 27 March 2024 (UTC)Reply
@Your Power: That's perfectly fine, and we should be good to go now, anyway! Oltrepier (talk) 09:06, 27 March 2024 (UTC)Reply
A new hook is needed, yes, and then you will need to check it again; if it is suitable, I can then promote it into a queue. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 14:20, 27 March 2024 (UTC)Reply