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Proposed deletion of Saint Saviour
editRather than deleting this article as such, why not give it a re-incarnation as a disambiguation page? I haven't a clue as to policy here, and I'm not going to research that aspect now, so this is just a thought and you must make of it what you will - but, I think making it a disambiguation page would be useful, as there are a reasonable number of articles linked to it, and I can think of one that isn't, but could be! I'll remove the PROD template accordingly. Nortonius (talk) 18:23, 22 May 2008 (UTC)
- This is a short page, but a legitimate one. My only concern is that the presetn page is more like a disctionary definition than an encyclopaedia article. The present policy is that most individual churches are NN, and so do not deserve WP pages. However, it might be useful to include a list of churches WITH ARTICLES dedicated to St Saviour. We cannot have a general list of churches with that dedication, as it would encourage the creation of articles on NN churches. Peterkingiron (talk) 21:16, 25 May 2008 (UTC)
KEEP but amplify. St. Saviour occurs frequently in church dedications, and, perhaps most obviously (from an English perspective) in French (Normandy), in place-names----Clive Sweeting
Requested move
edit- The following discussion is an archived discussion of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the proposal was not moved. bd2412 T 18:13, 6 February 2013 (UTC)
Saint Saviour → Saint Saviour (disambiguation) – I believe that the primary topic for this title is the use of the term as a name of Jesus. A minor saint and a musician aside, all things named "Saint Saviour" are effectively named after Jesus. I would move the disambig to a "(disambiguation)" title and redirect the unadorned title to Jesus, unless and until an article is written covering names of Jesus beyond those used in the New Testament. bd2412 T 15:22, 31 January 2013 (UTC)
- Oppose. Jesus is not generally referred to as Saint Saviour. He may be referred to as the Holy Saviour, but Saint Saviour is usually a place name or a church dedication. -- Necrothesp (talk) 20:20, 31 January 2013 (UTC)
- The point is not that Jesus is referred to by that name, but that the name refers to Jesus more than it refers to anything else (i.e., if someone says "Saint Saviour", they are most likely talking about Jesus). bd2412 T 20:39, 31 January 2013 (UTC)
- No, they're more likely to be talking about a church with that dedication. -- Necrothesp (talk) 23:51, 31 January 2013 (UTC)
- Perhaps, but as the conversation above noted, most individual churches will be non-notable. If this were a "Saint Thomas" or "Saint Francis", we would figure out which one they meant and direct the link to that saint. bd2412 T 04:00, 1 February 2013 (UTC)
- Yes, but St Thomas or St Francis, with no qualifier, is more likely to refer to a person. However, Jesus is not commonly referred to as St Saviour! Therefore it's best to keep this as a disambiguation page. People searching for "St Saviour" are far, far more likely to be looking for an explanation of what "St Saviour" means (as described on this disambiguation page) than to be looking for an article on Jesus. -- Necrothesp (talk) 09:36, 1 February 2013 (UTC)
- We have an article titled Names and titles of Jesus in the New Testament, but it does not cover names or titles used to refer to Jesus outside the New Testament. If we had an article on other such names and titles, that would be the ideal place to include most of the information on this page (describing both the use of "Saint Saviour" as a dedication, and identifying some things so dedicated). bd2412 T 12:37, 1 February 2013 (UTC)
- Yes, but St Thomas or St Francis, with no qualifier, is more likely to refer to a person. However, Jesus is not commonly referred to as St Saviour! Therefore it's best to keep this as a disambiguation page. People searching for "St Saviour" are far, far more likely to be looking for an explanation of what "St Saviour" means (as described on this disambiguation page) than to be looking for an article on Jesus. -- Necrothesp (talk) 09:36, 1 February 2013 (UTC)
- Perhaps, but as the conversation above noted, most individual churches will be non-notable. If this were a "Saint Thomas" or "Saint Francis", we would figure out which one they meant and direct the link to that saint. bd2412 T 04:00, 1 February 2013 (UTC)
- No, they're more likely to be talking about a church with that dedication. -- Necrothesp (talk) 23:51, 31 January 2013 (UTC)
- The point is not that Jesus is referred to by that name, but that the name refers to Jesus more than it refers to anything else (i.e., if someone says "Saint Saviour", they are most likely talking about Jesus). bd2412 T 20:39, 31 January 2013 (UTC)
- Oppose. I don't see any reason to think there is a primary topic for this. While the name derives from a manner of referring to Jesus, it is relatively uncommon in English. I agree with Necrothesp that someone looking for "Saint Saviour" is more likely looking for a church or parish with the name. older ≠ wiser 12:57, 1 February 2013 (UTC)
- Oppose on the same grounds. – Fayenatic London 13:07, 1 February 2013 (UTC)
- Oppose -- on the technical ground that if we do not have a stantantive article, we do not need to use the dab-suffix to it. Peterkingiron (talk) 11:21, 2 February 2013 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.