Talk:Russian torture chambers in Ukraine

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The result was: promoted by Cwmhiraeth (talk) 09:24, 18 October 2022 (UTC)

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• ... that after the liberation of towns in Ukraine during the Ukrainian Kharkiv counteroffensive authorities found numerous Russian torture chambers? Source: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/sep/17/izium-russian-occupation-ukraine-horrors-donbas-bucha
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Created by Volunteer Marek (talk). Self-nominated at 09:30, 9 October 2022 (UTC).

• Article is new enough and well sourced. Hook is interesting (and tragic), within prescribed limits, and well sourced. All images have a Creative Commons license. No duplicate links. Earwig Dup-Detector only show similarities with quotes and a few short general phrases. Article will be Good to Go upon completion of QPQ. -- Gwillhickers (talk) 17:19, 12 October 2022 (UTC)

• The lead says, "authorities discovered torture chambers which allegedly had been used by Russian troops," while the source (The Telegraph) refers to "alleged Russian torture chambers." That's a bit confusing because it brings up the possibility of torture chambers that were not used. But these were existing locations, such as police cells or outdoor sheds, that only became torture chambers if used for that purpose.

Despite the qualification in the lead, the article expresses certainty. "Around 40 people were held in the torture chambers.... At least several Ukrainian prisoners died as a result of the torture." But the first source (Der Spiegel), says

"Ukrainian officials say that around 40 prisoners were held by the occupiers of Balakliya at all times. The Russians, the officials say, tortured many of them."

"The investigator said the young man died in Kupyansk, apparently as a result of torture."

"His friend Vanya, though, says Soter, was tortured to death."

TFD (talk) 17:22, 13 October 2022 (UTC)

• There are more than enough sources, at least six, reporting evidence of torture, along with claims from eye-witnessses, including Oleksandr Filchakov, Kharkiv region’s chief prosecutor and other civilians, to substantiate the hook, including this one, and this one. If anything all that need be done is to insert a neutral phrase into the existing hook, outlined in green:
  ALT1 ... that after the liberation of towns in Ukraine during the Ukrainian Kharkiv counteroffensive authorities found evidence of numerous Russian torture chambers? -- Gwillhickers (talk) 18:29, 14 October 2022 (UTC)

• I'm good with ALT1 as proposed. Did the QPQ for Iqbi-damiq. Volunteer Marek 05:31, 15 October 2022 (UTC)

QPQ: Reviewed Iqbi-damiq. Volunteer Marek 05:31, 15 October 2022 (UTC)

• — Good to go. -- Gwillhickers (talk) 16:08, 17 October 2022 (UTC)

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