Talk:Roy Hodgson

Introduction

To Dubmill:

This statement is really ambiguous and mostly subjective: "and coming close to qualifying for a major tournament for the first time in their history" Does "close" here mean Finland was one point away, two points away, five points away, or ten points away from qualifying? Or does it merely mean prior to Hodgson, Finland had never gained any point during qualification round but for the first time in the history Hodgson helped them achieved at least one point, hence they "came close" to qualifying for a major tournament for the first time? What does it mean by "major" tournament anyway? European tournament? World Cup? Olympics? Scandinavian tournament? or merely tournament among countries lying between longitudes 20° and 32° E? This is clearly a subjective remark to help boost Hodgson's name.

Not to mention you deleted a significant statement saying: "Under Hodgson, England saw its FIFA World Rankings dropped to 20th in August 2014, its worst position in 18 years". Your excuse was this was a duplication. However in previous paragraph statements such as "Switzerland had not qualified for a major tournament since the 1960s." were also duplicated from elsewhere in the page. This is clearly another attempt to clean Hodgson's name.

Finland: There's a section about it on the page. Had they won their last game instead of drawing it, they would have qualified. 'Close' accurately summarizes it in my opinion.

"Major tournament": That would mean the World Cup or the various regional tournaments, e.g. the European Championship.

Drop in FIFA world rankings: These rankings fluctuate so I am not even sure there need to be repeated mentions of wildly different rankings at different times. But, as I mentioned, there was certainly no need for you to duplicate what was already on the page. Also, that opening section is meant to be a summary, so it is fair to summarize there his overall achievements in previous jobs (e.g. Finland and Switzerland). But since his England career is not yet over, it's not fair to cherry-pick a particularly poor FIFA ranking and put it there as a summary of his England management career. Dubmill (talk) 10:05, 9 September 2014 (UTC)

Post 2014 World Cup

Deletion of spectators attendance.

In the "post 2014 World Cup" segment, user:Dubmill deleted "the match was attended by only 40,181 spectators, the lowest turn-out for an England match since Wembley was re-opened in 2007". This is a significant statement indirectly connected to Hodgson's approach of coaching England, which led to low turn-out of attendance. I really can't understand the thinking process behind deleting such statement.

In my opinion it is an incidental fact that is not relevant on a biography page. You cannot draw the conclusion you have. It was a friendly game coming after a particularly disappointing World Cup campaign. People were no doubt disappointed but you cannot assume they all dislike Hodgson. Maybe they blame the players rather than Hodgson – that was a persistent theme in newspaper comments at the time. But again, we don't know if that's the reason for the low attendence. Maybe the fact the opposition was Norway, rather than a team of the calibre of Germany or Holland, had something to do with it as well. Dubmill (talk) 10:00, 9 September 2014 (UTC)

Roy Hodgson RESIGNED as England manager. Please update asap (10:15pm UK time 27/06/16) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2.28.4.161 (talk) 21:15, 27 June 2016 (UTC)

Untitled

That is fakin a terrible photo of Hodgson, almost looks as if someone has put it there to embarrass him. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 123.243.222.201 (talk) 06:28, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

new dates for club management, i think these are accurate

http://www.weltfussball.de/spieler_profil.php?id=28476The GFP 00:35, 1 December 2007 (UTC)

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Is there a source for Hodgson's contract with Inter (the ambassadorial role -thing)? He said that he would take the job at Inter in his last press conference in Finland, but so far I have seen no sources (other than those quoting him on the statement at the press conference) that would verify that he actually did take the job. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 130.232.128.135 (talk) 08:02, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

I can't see any reliable sources for this. It does get mentioned in a few fans' websites. --Shortspend (talk) 15:14, 27 October 2010 (UTC)

He bears a striking resemblance to Bilbo Baggins? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.105.201.72 (talk) 16:54, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

i don't really think he can speak finnish

liverpool

im glad hes moving to liverpool fc is this true if it is go liverpool —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.111.130.109 (talk) 19:03, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

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Confirmed he is moving to Liverpool from Fulham http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/l/liverpool/8721942.stm

It's already been updated -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 08:54, 1 July 2010 (UTC)

What happened to the information that featured in earlier versions that he was a childhood Everton supporter (because of his Dad). Was that untrue?--Shortspend (talk) 11:54, 24 October 2010 (UTC)

Carshalton Tenure Source

Local news report --Half Price (talk) 10:53, 2 July 2010 (UTC)

Photo

Hi folks. Someone replaced the photo of Hodgson in Fulham strip with a more recent Liverpool one - however, the newer photo was of him standing in front of the famous "Anfield" sign, and he only occupied a small part of the frame. I think a photo of the subject of a bio is primarily intended to show what the person looks like, and so I've reverted it. There's certainly a good case for a more recent photo, and I think there should be one - I just don't think the format of the new one was ideal. Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 11:08, 3 August 2010 (UTC)

Rubbish

Roy Hodgson is rubbish, and the Wikipedia article on him should reflect this. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.254.154.43 (talk) 12:49, 28 December 2010 (UTC) Well that is not my role to comment on, but it would put his career in perspective to say "Mr. Hodgson has been very succesful in Scandinavia in his career, but is still looking for his first trophy won outside Scandinavia". — Preceding unsigned comment added by Balinn74 (talk • contribs) 15:34, 4 January 2011 (UTC)

To say that Hodgson is rubbish is simply ill-informed nonsense. Whether or not he remains at Liverpool he is clearly a competent manager with a good record of managing mainly lesser teams to a degree of success. History may well decide he is judged as a very good manager, but perhaps not a great one. I wonder if it was a mistake on his part to leave some of the clubs he managed, rather than stay on. You didn't see Brian Clough flitting from one club to another every two years. If Hodgson had elected to stay at some of his clubs, I wonder if he could have achieved more. Of course, I am aware some he was fired from. Personally, I think he should have stayed at Fulham and tried to take them to the next level, as Clough did with Nottingham Forest. Dubmill (talk) 15:50, 4 January 2011 (UTC)

Guide dogs

Hodgson has been a long time supporter of Guide Dogs for the Blind, participating in many fundraising events for the charity throughout his management career. He is partially credited with the idea of placing fluorescent jackets on the animals together with the late Roy Castle

While I guess him supporting guide dogs is plausible - the fluorescent jacket idea? Seems dubious to me and the link given as a reference seems to redirect to a totally irrelevant Daily Mail article about Danny Dyer. Unless anyone either objects or comes up with a reference, I'm deleting it... - HIGHFIELDS (TALK • CONTRIBUTIONS) 19:18, 29 April 2012 (UTC)

Roy has long been credited for the fluorescent jacket idea. It is common knowledge guide dogs and those they were guiding were essentially playing a sick game of chicken on the public roads in poor light conditions until Hodgson took the then new fluorescent technology and applied it to the problem of saving the blind from unsighted motorists struggling in early morning haar. Apparently he'd seen it work for schoolkids in Scandinavia and thought it would work over here on canine carers. Anyone who doesn't know about this is slandering Roy's good name. Why not reference mankind's communal heritage, for that's how well-known this story is. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.41.146.72 (talk) 21:41, 30 May 2012 (UTC)

Liverpool

Section is too long relative to those around it giving undue weight. I propose the following trimmed (but still fairly comprehensive) replacement. I actually think that a lot of the transfer stuff and the last line which basically regurgitates stuff earlier on but with more refs could go too but open to opinion:

On 1 July 2010, Hodgson was appointed as manager of Liverpool, signing a three-year contract. The appointment came against the backdrop of an unexpected candidacy bid from former Liverpool striker and manager and current club ambassador Kenny Dalglish. Dalglish's application was rejected by the club, who publicly never gave a reason for their decision but it was suggested that he had been away from management for too long. Instead, Hodgson was chosen as the candidate that could use his extensive experience in management 'to steady the ship'. With the club up for sale at the time, Liverpool were likely to face some turbulent times, but Hodgson's appointment met with mixed reactions from fans, particularly after Dalglish's interest in the position. There were suggestions of insufficient experience with 'big clubs' despite his tenure at Inter, and that he might struggle to manage high profile players. Former Marseille and Juventus manager Didier Deschamps later claimed that he had been offered the job before Hodgson, but turned it down.

Having signed Milan Jovanović and Joe Cole, Hodgson's first game as manager was a friendly against one of his former clubs, Grasshopper Zürich, on 21 July, which ended as a goalless draw. On 29 July, his first competitive game in charge was a 2–0 away win against FK Rabotnički in the Europa League. In the return leg at Anfield, Liverpool again won 2–0, winning the tie 4–0 on aggregate. Hodgson's first league game with Liverpool was against Arsenal, being denied a debut win only after a last minute own goal by Pepe Reina resulted in a draw. Hodgson made further signings in goalkeeper Brad Jones, defenders Danny Wilson and Paul Konchesky, midfielders Christian Poulsen and Raul Meireles, as well as re-signing full-back Fábio Aurélio, who had been released by the club earlier in the summer. Meanwhile, Benitez signings Albert Riera, Diego Cavalieri and Javier Mascherano were all sold, whilst Alberto Aquilani was loaned out to Juventus, and Emiliano Insúa was loaned out to Galatasaray. On 29 August, Hodgson achieved his first league win, defeating West Bromwich Albion 1–0 at Anfield.

After that, Liverpool had a series of disappointing results, one of which same the club eliminated from the League Cup on 23 September by League Two strugglers Northampton Town at Anfield, losing on penalties. Prior to the home game against newly-promoted Blackpool on 3 October, Hodgson responded to his critics, describing himself as "one of the most respected coaches in Europe" and said it was "insulting" to suggest he couldn't handle Liverpool's big-name players. Liverpool lost the game 2–1, leaving them third from bottom after seven games, and Hodgson admitted that his side were potentially facing a relegation battle. It was the club's worst start to a season in 82 years.

By late October, speculation was rife that Hodgson would be sacked. Hodgson stated that he had no intention of resigning and responded aggressively to suggestions that Frank Rijkaard, who had won the Champions League as manager of Barcelona, would be appointed in his place. Three straight Premier League victories, including a 2–0 home win over league leaders Chelsea, reduced speculation as Liverpool returned to the top half of the table. New club owner John W. Henry stated his backing for Hodgson.

Performances remained erratic and on 29 December 2010, Liverpool were beaten 1–0 at home by bottom of the table Wolverhampton Wanderers, the club's first loss to Wolves in 27 years. After the defeat, Hodgson criticised Liverpool fans for not supporting him from the beginning of his tenure. At the turn of the year, Liverpool had their lowest points total since the 1953–54 season. A 2–1 home win over Bolton Wanderers in their next game appeared to lift the pressure slightly, only for a 3–1 defeat at Blackburn on 5 January 2011 to cause the club's owners to reconsider his position. After 31 games in charge, the shortest managerial reign in Liverpool history, Hodgson left the club by mutual consent on the morning of 8 January 2011, with Kenny Dalglish announced as his replacement.

Hodgson was dogged throughout his time at Anfield by suggestions that the job was beyond him, in addition to the continued presence of fan favourite Dalglish – whom a significant proportion of the support preferred over him as manager.

References

Hodgson's parents' religion

In an attempt to stop the edit war between two anonymous IP editors, I've posted warnings on their talk pages and created this section on the article's talk page in the hopes that they will take a moment to "cool off" and discuss it constructively here. The point of contention seems to be around the religion of Mr. Hodgson's parents. If anyone can cite any references in support of either position, please do so here. -- Bgpaulus (talk) 22:03, 16 June 2012 (UTC)

I do not believe that I was edit warring given that I was reverting edits which appeared to be bad faith. The other editor has already left a personal attack on my talk page and is continuing to make claims which are contrary to the source and refuses to cite or explain. I would consider this either repeated insertion of unsourced material or deliberately introducing factual errors, both considered vandalism or disruptive editing and are to be reverted on sight, and constitute exceptions to 3RR when being reverted. I have stopped reverting given that the editor above has expressed concern, and I had asked for reconsideration of the warning I was issued, but I do not believe that the other editor is behaving appropriately and I had issued an AIV report. Thank you. 69.155.128.40 (talk) 22:10, 16 June 2012 (UTC)

I agree that it seems inappropriate to include information on Mr. Hodgson's parents' religion when the article referenced does not mention that. Accordingly, I have removed the claim. -- Bgpaulus (talk) 22:49, 16 June 2012 (UTC)

I think the claim comes from the England squad's visit to Auschwitz recently when Hodgson donned a skullcap [1] for prayers (which of course doesn't mean he's Jewish, let alone his parents). Black Kite (talk) 23:26, 16 June 2012 (UTC)

Thanks very much for the explanation, Black Kite, and I agree with you and 69.155.128.40. Certainly, if any other editor(s) out there can provide a reliable reference to the contrary, then we can always revisit this discussion here. Cheers, everyone! -- Bgpaulus (talk) 12:32, 17 June 2012 (UTC)

Sir Roy Hodgson - Why are Wikieditors ignorning knighthood?

Sir Roy Hodgson has received a knighthood in Finland for services to football. I tried to add the prefix "Sir" to his name on the Roy Hodgson page (with a link to the original BBC article about Sir Roy's knighthood - http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/19769903), but the sneaky little Luftwaffe pilots undid the edit and have now made the page semi-protected. There's no logic in this decision, it's purely colonial behaviour and a disregard for Finnish sovereignty. 16 January 2013 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.172.107.244 (talk) 23:12, 15 January 2013 (UTC)

I protected the page because it is being edited disruptively and some of the changes broke interwiki links. Please discuss this issue and if a consensus develops then changes may be made. Is the title legitimate since he does not reside in Finland? Does the UK allow for this title usage?
 — Berean Hunter (talk) 23:30, 15 January 2013 (UTC)

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Warhammer nonsense

Just to note, the repeated additions of Hodgson's 'Warhammer hobby' stem from a skit on the Athletico Mince podcast, ep. 70. The series features impressions of various characters from the football world, with Hodgson being parodied in this one. Anyone adding this as fact is obviously having a laugh, they'd be well aware of the joke. Nzd (talk) 21:35, 29 January 2019 (UTC)

Missing Finland managerial statistics

In the managerial statistics section there is no mention of his time an Finland manager. (78.17.116.81 (talk) 19:58, 3 June 2019 (UTC))

Finland stats don't agree with Finland page or transfermarkt

Are we only counting friendlies here, or is it just wrong/out-of-date? Seems like he managed 22 games Dhalamh (talk) 20:04, 1 September 2022 (UTC)

Soccerbase has him with 28 managed games which is almost double compared to what the table currently says. And some data between that and some teams don't match such as the earliest jobs he had. (By the way, transfermarkt should not be used to compare data as it is ruled as unreliable.) Iggy (Swan) (Contribs) 21:19, 1 September 2022 (UTC)

Thanks Iggy (Swan), is there a consensus that we include friendly games in these stats? I've seen this debated elsewhere. Dhalamh (talk) 08:40, 2 September 2022 (UTC)

I think friendly games are included with competitive fixtures but I don't know if that has been debated though. Iggy (Swan) (Contribs) 15:12, 2 September 2022 (UTC)

Return to Crystal Palace

As per the source, this is not confirmed yet. Suggest commenting out or deleting until an appropriate time. 2A02:C7C:60E0:1100:F198:E826:E3A:A885 (talk) 07:33, 21 March 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 21 March 2023

The article says Finland have never qualified for an international tournament however this should be changed to had as they qualified for Euro 2020. BigFrank18 (talk) 14:45, 21 March 2023 (UTC)

 Not done: that's not what it says. M.Bitton (talk) 15:41, 21 March 2023 (UTC)