Talk:Fernando Poe Jr. station

Line 1 disambiguator

@Korean Rail Fan: as the user who I think has taken the lead on this renaming project I pinged you. I think this article should be renamed Roosevelt station (LRTA) or Roosevelt station (Manila), to better disambiguate it with an upcoming station in Seattle (Roosevelt station (Sound Transit)) and an existing station in Chicago (Roosevelt station (CTA)). Since I don't believe there are any upcoming Manila projects with this station name, it is better to use "Manila" or "LRTA" to distinguish it, as a third alternative I can think of, "LRT Line 1", is also pretty ambiguous. --Truflip99 (talk) 17:41, 16 June 2019 (UTC)

@Truflip99: I think if that is the case a better option is (Manila Line 1) should there be a need to do it. The acronyms have been dropped as per DOTr plans and its hard to create cohesiveness with such given the different companies that operate plus the fact that it is planned to rationalize naming into Line numbers. Should a consensus be reached, the names would be changed to STATION NAME station (Manila Line #). Thanks Korean Rail Fan 02:11, 17 June 2019 (UTC)

I don't think it needs to happen to all stations, just this one. Also, I don't believe "Manila Line #" works as it is an unofficial designation. It needs to either be the city or the owner (NOTE: not operator or system), per the existing style. --Truflip99 (talk) 02:21, 17 June 2019 (UTC)

Unfortunately it couldn't be a this one thing, as discussed before, whatever the result will be in here, would also be implemented in similar disambiguated articles. The "Manila Line #" is sufficient to indicate its Metro Manila while the operator argument was once debunked before as per old subtopics in other talk pages by older users. Also since the only available "Line 1" Roosevelt station is the one in Metro Manila, I think the current disambiguation is suffice. Korean Rail Fan 11:06, 17 June 2019 (UTC)

Requested move 29 May 2020

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

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• Roosevelt station (Line 1) → Roosevelt station (LRT)
• Blumentritt station (Line 1) → Blumentritt station (LRT)
• Central Terminal station (Line 1) → Central Terminal station (LRT)
• United Nations station (Line 1) → United Nations station (LRT)
• Quirino station (Line 1) → Quirino station (LRT)
• EDSA station (Line 1) → EDSA station (LRT)
• Katipunan station (Line 2) → Katipunan station
• Anonas station (Line 2) → Anonas station
• Araneta Center–Cubao station (Line 2) → Araneta Center–Cubao station (LRT)
• Gilmore station (Line 2) → Gilmore station (LRT)
• Tutuban station (Line 2) → Tutuban station (LRT)
• Quezon Avenue station (Line 3) → Quezon Avenue station
• Araneta Center–Cubao station (Line 3) → Araneta Center–Cubao station (MRT)
• Santolan station (Line 3) → Santolan station (MRT)
• Ortigas station (Line 3) → Ortigas station
• Guadalupe station (Line 3) → Guadalupe station (MRT)
• Buendia station (Line 3) → Buendia station (MRT)
• Quirino station (Line 7) → Quirino station (MRT)
• Tandang Sora station (Line 7) → Tandang Sora station
• Quezon Memorial station (Line 7) → Quezon Memorial station
• North Avenue station (Line 3) → North Avenue station (MRT)
• Vito Cruz station → Vito Cruz station (LRT) (added on 13:06, 5 June 2020 (UTC))

– After the RM at Talk:MRT Line 3 (Metro Manila)#Requested move 5 May 2020, it was moved from the unwieldy "Manila Metro Rail Transit System Line 3" to "MRT Line 3 (Metro Manila)". Other train lines were affected by this RM, so they were moved as well. Next, for stations, they are in the format "<Place> station", except when it has to be disambiguated, which is, for some reason, using "Line #", which should be, quite clearly by now, not the most recognizable name as you'd always have to prefix "LRT" or "MRT" for someone else to understand you. Since it was moved, it makes sense that we move the articles here that are disambiguated this way into what was arrived upon in the May 5 RM. This uses the name of the "system". Four stations are being moved to undisambiguated names as there are either no articles or stations to disambiguate it with. Howard the Duck (talk) 21:41, 29 May 2020 (UTC) —Relisted. P.I. Ellsworth  ed. ^put'r there 07:03, 8 June 2020 (UTC)

Relist note: one item added, so this request should stay open at least until 13:06, 12 June 2020 (UTC). P.I. Ellsworth  ed. ^put'r there 07:03, 8 June 2020 (UTC)

• Support per nom. I see why the stations to be moved got that Line x disamb is from a shelved plan by the DOTr to get rid of the LRT/MRT designators (as mentioned on a thread above this). I'm all disappointed that no one has contested that move (by Korean Rail Fan), and now, we make our readers wonder about what "Line x" is, from the title to the body text itself.-TagaSanPedroAko (talk) 04:24, 31 May 2020 (UTC)

• Oppose ambiguity on LRT/MRT to begin with; like the ancillary titles changed then moved again... I think I mentioned in another thread that the LRT/MRT designation and its corresponding line numbers equally identify well, but given the disamb in the parent titles are LRT/MRT, I suppose leave the line numbers alone. {{ping|Koressha}} {interact|ambags} 10:07, 31 May 2020 (UTC)
  • Ambiguous? That's rich! "Line #" is a lot more ambiguous. People can distinguish between the Araneta Center-Cubao LRT and MRT stations. They'd have to squint harder to process what "Line 3" is... "ugh... wait doesn't that have to be 'MRT-3'?" In the Philippines, most people associate the name of the service "LRT"/"MRT" more than the line number and even the operators. A frequent patron will answer "Ummmm... LRT?" when asked on who the operator is, and "LRT-1" when asked what "line" it is. Howard the Duck (talk) 10:14, 31 May 2020 (UTC)

    I don't see anything ambiguous with using the system name (I.e. LRT/MRT) for disambiguation. @Koressha:, if you can't agree with that, I'm thinking we revise this and use the full line name (I.e. LRT/MRT Line x), but I think disambiguation by system is enough, if readers care little with the operators of each line (LRMC for LRT-1, LRTA for LRT-2, MRTC for MRT-3, and MRT7 Inc. for MRT-7).

    By the way, I'm also correcting the disambiguation for MRT-4, LRT-5/MKTI, and MMS stations, even where their original articles (not yet created or now deleted in AFD) are originally disambiguated with plain "Line x". I think people will hardly shift to "Line x", except for the subways, which I think we would be calling simply the "subway" and hardly possibly LRT-5/MRT-9 given what the media calls them.TagaSanPedroAko (talk) 17:29, 31 May 2020 (UTC)

    Yeah, calling "MRT" and "LRT" as ambiguous from the same person who pushed to call train lines simply as "Line #" despite enormous evidence that it's not even top three most common names of these train lines is baffling.

    It may get ambiguous though if for example, there's are stations with an identical names, and both are under the "LRT" or "MRT" "system". I haven't checked, but I'd recommend "<Station name> (L/MRT Line #)", but iff that happens. Otherwise, disambiguating between "LRT" or "MRT" shall suffice. Howard the Duck (talk) 17:40, 31 May 2020 (UTC)

• Support per nom and TagaSanPedroAko. The LRT/MRT distinction appears to good a job, and removing the unneeded parentheticals is conventional, too. Dicklyon (talk) 17:16, 2 June 2020 (UTC)
• Support. Most people do not know what line numbers the metro lines in Metro Manila are but are definitely familiar with "LRT" or "MRT" so I support this per the recognizability criterion of WP:AT. I also favor dropping the disambiguator if there is nothing else that it needs to be disambiguated against per WP:CONCISE and WP:PRECISE. —seav (talk) 20:41, 2 June 2020 (UTC)
• Support per nom. Coming from Cebu City (where we don't have MRT or LRT), it would be best to distinguish these stations on its type than on line numbers. — Emperork (talk) 05:37, 3 June 2020 (UTC)
• Support I do not know how the line numbers ended up in those titles. There is no need to use dabs inside parentheses, unless if there are stations elsewhere (whether they are in Metro Manila or not) that happen to have the same name as these stations. We could add the appropriate dab for Katipunan and Anonas stations, as there are stations on the Metro Manila Subway that could have the same name as these stations. I'd also like to point out that the article Guadalupe station exists, but refers to a completely unrelated station in California. We could probably have that moved to a page title with the appropriate dab when this RM is closed as successful. LSGH (talk) (contributions) 08:22, 3 June 2020 (UTC)
  • Re: Guadalupe station -- I'm torn with the dab for this one. Would it be "(MRT)" or "(Makati)"? I suppose we'd follow the naming conventions set on the Tutuban station RM where identically named stations outside the Philippines are dabbed by their locations instead of the train line or operator.
  • Re: Other stations -- I suppose we can do another RM once 2 or more stations with identical names are operational but for now, who got 1st dibs gets to be undabbed. Howard the Duck (talk) 10:27, 3 June 2020 (UTC)

    It probably looks better to use the name of the railway system (MRT) as the dab. As for Katipunan and Anonas, we could do the RM once actual construction work for those new stations begin. LSGH (talk) (contributions) 12:19, 3 June 2020 (UTC)

    That makes sense, and as for Guadalupe station, that's how the RM is currently constituted. Howard the Duck (talk) 12:40, 3 June 2020 (UTC)

• Support I think this will be more WP:RECOGNIZABLE with less chance of ambiguity (lots and lots of places have numbered lines, but fewer use the exact acronyms MRT and LRT). Incidentally also slightly more WP:CONCISE.  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  05:46, 4 June 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose Both 'MRT/LRT' and 'Line #' are ambiguous, I suggest just making it "___ station", but disambiguate with Manila or Metro Manila for articles with identical names (e.g "___ station (Metro Manila)"). Itsquietuptown t • c 07:58, 4 June 2020 (UTC)
  • There are two Araneta Center-Cubao stations, and both them are in the same city, and in the same barangay. The situation is similar to other stations with identical names, except probably for the Santolan stations which are far apart. Howard the Duck (talk) 11:10, 4 June 2020 (UTC)
• Comment: Please include Vito Cruz station in the list of RM. HiwilmsTalk 07:14, 5 June 2020 (UTC)
  • I've added this to the proposal. There are 2 Vito Cruz stations, PNR's and the LRT's. Howard the Duck (talk) 13:06, 5 June 2020 (UTC)

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