Talk:Raymond Pettibon

dog fighting

I removed the reference to him training pitbulls for fighting because it is untrue. http://swindlemagazine.com/issueicons/raymond-pettibon/ see fifth from the bottom paragraph. --Coiledsplendour (talk) 02:52, 8 January 2009 (UTC)

External links

I guess adding my own article about Ray Pettibon was the critical mass that broke the Wikipedia watcher's back. I undid the "removed external links" action because I think the links are helpful for people who want to learn more about Ray, and saw no harm in a brief list of sources of additional info. That seems to abide by Wikipedia's own rules:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:EL

Wikipedia articles may include links to web pages outside Wikipedia, but must conform to certain formatting restrictions. Such pages could contain further research that is accurate and on-topic; information that could not be added to the article for reasons such as copyright or amount of detail; or other meaningful, relevant content that is not suitable for inclusion in an article for reasons unrelated to its accuracy.

Some external links are welcome (see "What should be linked", below), but Wikipedia's purpose is not to include a comprehensive list of external links related to each topic. No page should be linked from a Wikipedia article unless its inclusion is justifiable.

Any article that adds depth, complexity or some kind of interesting and information details not in the dry, biographical, main article should be considered for publication in the entry. My two cents.

Regarding this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:NOT#LINK

Mere collections of external links or Internet directories. There is nothing wrong with adding one or more useful content-relevant links to an article; however, excessive lists can dwarf articles and detract from the purpose of Wikipedia. On articles about topics with many fansites, for example, including a link to one major fansite may be appropriate. See Wikipedia:External links for some guidelines.

The section in no way dwarfs the original article or takes anything away from it. It enriches the content, which should be everyone's goal to accomplish, in just about any undertaking. Thanks. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Trb906 (talk • contribs) 18:47, 14 January 2009 (UTC)

My point was, if any of these links indeed include "meaningful, relevant content", they should be incorporated into the article as references via citations. Currently there are a dozen external links in the EL section but only 5 true references, and this for an article that is only 6 or 7 paragraphs long. This is unbalanced. If I may emphasize alternate parts of WP:EL:

Wikipedia articles may include links to web pages outside Wikipedia, but must conform to certain formatting restrictions. Such pages could contain further research that is accurate and on-topic; information that could not be added to the article for reasons such as copyright or amount of detail; or other meaningful, relevant content that is not suitable for inclusion in an article for reasons unrelated to its accuracy. Some external links are welcome (see "What should be linked", below), but Wikipedia's purpose is not to include a comprehensive list of external links related to each topic. No page should be linked from a Wikipedia article unless its inclusion is justifiable.

What information in those links could not be incorporated in some way into, or would not be suitable for, the article itself? There are 3 or 4 interviews in there...if he said something significant in an interview, quote it and use the interview as a source, rather than just tacking it on as an external link. If nothing was said in an interview that could be applied to an encyclopedia article about him, then chances are that interview doesn't include any useful, relevant information. Same with the articles and features; they should be used as sources to provide meaningful content to the article body, rather than just tacked onto the bottom as links. The galleries are probably OK, as long as they are within copyright. Bottom line: A section of a dozen external links in such a short article looks very bloated, and reflects that they need to be used as sources rather than mere links. Take a look at Nirvana (band) (to pick a FA off the top of my head): a 32K article with 52 citations and only 3 external links. --IllaZilla (talk) 22:31, 14 January 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for explaining your POV. In terms of what's relevant, I think that's a sticky slope, if not slippery. To defend my contribution, I found little in the main entry about Pettibon's current band, whose name wasn't even spelled right, but I suppose my text could have been worked into the basic article. Probably like many others, I didn't take the time to see what I could contribute in the meat of the matter, as opposed to quickly tacking on another link. Still, I bet more people will get something out of the extra hyperlinks than otherwise, and with fringe-type artists, why not. Good food for thought, though, fer sure -- TRB. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.6.6.165 (talk) 11:53, 15 January 2009 (UTC)

Collections

Does listing all of these collections help us better understand the life or work of Pettibon? Perhaps we could just list a few of the ones with the most substantial Pettibon collections and say that he's in the collections all over. Warrenking (talk) 19:54, 23 October 2010 (UTC)

Popular music

A number of editors have been adding unreferenced information about a Red Hot Chili Peppers video which was apparently inspired by Pettibon. It looks like this is verifiable, e.g. MTV article. I've been trying to figure out where this should go in the article, and realized that there's no section for Pettibon's contributions to the music scene outside of Black Flag. He's done covers for Sonic Youth and Foo Fighters albums, and probably some more notable bands I can't recall. Perhaps this belongs in a new section? Pburka (talk) 04:30, 15 November 2011 (UTC)

Considering he has worked with various bands outside of Black Flag I think his other work should be mentioned.

Here is the article from the Chili Peppers site mentioning Pettibon's artwork: http://redhotchilipeppers.com/news/257-new-monarchy-of-roses-video

And Flea's comment's on Pettibon and the video: “The Monarchy of Roses video features the art of the beautiful artist Raymond pettibon. He is an artist I have loved since I was a teenager. His art was first seen as part of the hardcore punk rock scene in LA around 1980. He has since gone on to have a transcendently beautiful and dynamic art career. Raymond pettibon means a lot to us we are honored to have made this collaboration with him.” 1978 (talk) 04:44, 15 November 2011 (UTC)

The Chili Peppers' website is a primary source, so we shouldn't use that. I'm a bit confused about whether this is a tribute or a collaboration. The MTV article suggests it's a tribute, but Flea's quote suggests that Pettibon worked on the video. Do you know which it is, and do you have a reliable source for it? Pburka (talk) 04:57, 15 November 2011 (UTC)

Early life

This section states: "Pettibon earned an economics degree from UCLA and worked as a high school mathematics teacher for a short period, before pursuing and completing his BFA in 1977." The citation for this from Tate indicates that he completed his BFA in 1977, but doesn't indicate that he taught math or got an economics degree before this. Is there a citation for this? PatrickNiemeyer (talk) 01:17, 10 January 2012 (UTC)

Pettibon's music

Is it worth adding a section on the music projects Raymond Pettibon has performed vocals on? he has put out 5 albums Bipandboppop (talk) 02:35, 25 February 2015 (UTC) http://www.discogs.com/artist/601494-Raymond-Pettibon

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