Talk:Raju Srivastav

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BetacommandBot (talk) 03:51, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 21 September 2022

add news reference link - https://www.abplive.com/entertainment/television/raju-srivastava-death-indian-comedian-raju-srivastav-passes-away-at-age-58-aiims-delhi-2195119 Qhqofficial2022 (talk) 08:25, 21 September 2022 (UTC)

 Not done: Other sources are already added. This is not giving any new info. Venkat TL (talk) 11:16, 21 September 2022 (UTC)

No source for these films

Year	Title	Role	ref
1994	Abhay
2010	Barood : (The Fire) - A Love Story
2006	Vidyaarthi: The Power of Students	Inspector JK
2007	Jahan Jaaeyega Hamen Paaeyega	Jailor
2017	Firangi	special appearance

TV series

Year	Series	Role	Ref
1994	Tea Time Manoranjan	Himself
2012	Laugh India Laugh	Himself
2015	Adaalat	Raju Chaurasia

Venkat TL (talk) 11:31, 21 September 2022 (UTC)

Many news sites some of them notable too have copied this article

I have found that several news sites, some of them notable too have copied parts of this article including filmography. They should not be used as a source here. And the Wikipedia article should not be tagged as copyright violation, because it is the news sites that have copied it from Wikipedia. Venkat TL (talk) 10:32, 22 September 2022 (UTC)

Can the {{Backwards copy}} template be used to list these sources? Kpddg ^(talk) 11:48, 22 September 2022 (UTC)

@Kpddg yes good idea. Can we use this if some sections of the article have been copied. Also there are soo many sites doing this, basically since the time his death was announced, most news sites (mostly Godi media sites) have been doing this. For example India TV copied Wikipedia article, did some copy edit added some of their own paras and published. I think not a lot of coverage about life of Srivastav is available online, so most of them have copied wikipedia. It is because of this reason of WP:CIRCULAR reference that I did not use any reference from 21 September 2022 for the unsourced filmography entries I linked above. I will try to add this template if I come across another copy edit. Venkat TL (talk) 11:56, 22 September 2022 (UTC)

Venkat TL's edits

I have reverted the restoration of what can be best described as sneaky POV pushing by Venkat TL, when it was already removed by someone else with proper edit summaries.

The removed edits include:

• false claim that a one-off comment from Srivastav on Shilpa Shinde affected his career - it makes no sense. You have to prove how it affected his "Career".
• Restoration of Joshi's comments when he already removed the post and made apology as described here.
• BLP violation by calling Srivastav a "hypocrite"
• Addition of an anti-Raju Srivastav Tweet on external links.

I would urge Venkat TL to refrain from this sneaky POV pushing. Dympies (talk) 11:58, 22 September 2022 (UTC)

I have never written anyline that said "comment from Srivastav on Shilpa Shinde affected his career". You are making blatantly false accusations. Please provide a diff or remove your false comments. Other topics discussed below. Venkat TL (talk) 14:06, 22 September 2022 (UTC)

You added it on "career", that's how you falsely implied it to be related to his career. There was no need for you to start a new section over the concerns with your editing  when I had already started this section. Dympies (talk) 15:17, 22 September 2022 (UTC)

Not only this is undue and unrelated to his career, but it also cherrypicks the source. Both sources say "Raju Srivastava calls the video misrepresented" and he says "his dialogues were edited and misrepresented".❯❯❯Pravega ^g=9.8 16:06, 22 September 2022 (UTC)

Hypocrite

How is it a BLP violation? I think you need to read WP:BLP first. Venkat TL (talk) 12:09, 22 September 2022 (UTC)

@Dympies please respond here. Venkat TL (talk) 12:17, 22 September 2022 (UTC)

It's a no-brainer and you know that. We can't use social media users to insult a person on Wikipedia. Dympies (talk) 12:49, 22 September 2022 (UTC)

Two reliable sources have been used for this notable controversy about the show. Venkat TL (talk) 13:00, 22 September 2022 (UTC)

https://www.tribuneindia.com/news/entertainment/raju-srivastava-comic-who-found-humour-in-everyday-life-433956

https://www.thequint.com/entertainment/celebrities/comedian-raju-srivastava-called-out-for-hypocrisy-over-tandav

https://www.scoopwhoop.com/news/netizens-call-out-raju-srivastava-for-his-hypocrisy-after-he-disses-tandav/

It was added as it has been covered by reliable sources above. and not just social media.--Venkat TL (talk) 13:16, 22 September 2022 (UTC)

Well, obituaries are not necessarily the desirous sources for writing controversial aspects about a BLP. Concerns that the language employed to characterize the subject is incongruent with the precepts of WP:BLP are tangible and legitimate and you would do well to exercise caution about it too. You could find websites like scoopwhoop for just about anything, but Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate collection of information that it needs to publish a whole bunch of lines about what the trolls on Twitter do or write about a subject, unless in the exceptional case of an overwhelming and sustained coverage about the whole issue in WP:RS to the point of making it WP:DUE, which is doubtlessly not the case here. MBlaze Lightning (talk) 14:05, 22 September 2022 (UTC)

Death section

It is normal for actors with fan base to have condolences from public figures. such a list of people who wrote condolences is not encyclopedic. Nowhere is such a list added to bio. That is why I have removed it. Do not restore the list. Seek consensus first. Venkat TL (talk) 12:10, 22 September 2022 (UTC)

@Dympies please respond here. Venkat TL (talk) 12:17, 22 September 2022 (UTC)

It is valid since it involves reaction from notable people relevant to the death. Dympies (talk) 12:47, 22 September 2022 (UTC)

@Dympies Platitudes are not encyclopedic. I suggest you to read other dead peoples biography and point me if you find such lists in their death section. Venkat TL (talk) 12:50, 22 September 2022 (UTC)

That makes no sense. See Rajesh Khanna#Influence and legacy for an example which is much bigger. Dympies (talk) 15:24, 22 September 2022 (UTC)

@Dympies thank you for bringing it to my notice, I have removed the ugly list. You can join the discussion here Talk:Rajesh_Khanna#List_of_people_who_paid_homage?. Dont discuss Rajesh Khanna here. Why do you think a list of people who mourned his death is encyclopedic? Normally this is not added on Wikipedia. Someone wrongly added on Rajesh Khanna and I have removed it. Venkat TL (talk) 15:34, 22 September 2022 (UTC)

You are clearly violating WP:POINT there. Those who shared their condolences on his death are notable people and clearly deserve a mention. Though it would be unencyclopedic only if a tribute section is created for that and their reactions have been expanded but that is not the case here.❯❯❯Pravega ^g=9.8 16:13, 22 September 2022 (UTC)

How did I violate WP:POINT? They are notable people so? are these the only notable people who mourned? have you read WP:NOTDIRECTORY and WP:LISTCRUFT. What does the reader achieve by reading this long list of XYZ notable people? Venkat TL (talk) 16:36, 22 September 2022 (UTC)

Not only WP:POINT but also WP:OTHERCONTENT with the argument "point me if you find such lists". Dympies (talk) 15:06, 23 September 2022 (UTC)

King of Comedy

He is not the king of Comedy. Stop adding it. As explained in the article. He won the title of "The King of Comedy" in its spin-off show The Great Indian Laughter Challenge – Champions. Some news sites have copied the same. Venkat TL (talk) 12:19, 22 September 2022 (UTC)

There are tbousands of reliable sources that identify him as such. You can't remove something by using your own judgement without basis. --Dympies (talk) 12:47, 22 September 2022 (UTC)

@Dympies you will have to post them here. Just saying it exist is not enough. Venkat TL (talk) 12:49, 22 September 2022 (UTC)

The statement on the article is already backed with multiple reliable sources. Pretending that it is unsourced is disruptive. Dympies (talk) 12:55, 22 September 2022 (UTC)

@Dympies I have checked both the sources. None of them say he is widely called King of Comedy. This is blatant misrepresentation of the source. Especially not in Wikipedia voice. Venkat TL (talk) 12:59, 22 September 2022 (UTC)

You started the section called "reception" thus it needs to be mentioned. These sources clearly mention him as "King of comedy". We can find tons of reliable sources which say the same thing that's why I wrote "Widely". Just because you dispute this titling (WP:OR), it doesn't mean you get to remove it outright. ❯❯❯Pravega ^g=9.8 15:02, 22 September 2022 (UTC)

@Pravega I am telling you that the source does not say that. Please provide Quotes along with the source since you believe the source says that. Venkat TL (talk) 16:38, 22 September 2022 (UTC)

Look alike of Amitabh Bachchan ?

All we have is his self claims, about looks of Amitabh Bachchan. He is not even remotely a look alike of Amitabh Bachchan. Both sources have him bragging about his looks etc. This should not be restored back. Venkat TL (talk) 13:31, 22 September 2022 (UTC)

It was well sourced and there are more sources which support it.[1] You need to find a source to support your own personal opinion. Dympies (talk) 14:36, 22 September 2022 (UTC)

@Dympies, they are only posting Srivastav's claims. Venkat TL (talk) 14:44, 22 September 2022 (UTC)

"Being Amitabh Bachchan's lookalike formed Raju Srivastava's identity" is the source's own assertion than a repetition of Srivastav's claim. "The comedian became popular because of his uncanny resemblance to the Shahenshah of Bollywood, Amitabh Bachchan"[2] is another. Just because your observation is different (WP:OR) than these reliable sources then you don't get to remove the content. Your only bet is to find multiple reliable sources which dispute this identification.❯❯❯Pravega ^g=9.8 14:59, 22 September 2022 (UTC)

Pravega, That Zoom Article is an interview, a primary source. Not a secondary or tertiary source. Please understand that Raju was an ardent fan of AB. Raju did mimcry of AB. These are the widely supported claims. He is look alike is his personal assertion and should not be added in Wikipedia voice. See https://www.indiatvnews.com/entertainment/celebrities/amitabh-bachchan-pays-tribute-raju-srivastava-reveals-sharing-voice-note-with-family-aid-treatment-2022-09-22-810624 or https://m.jagran.com/delhi/new-delhi-city-ncr-comedian-raju-shrivastav-got-paid-first-time-for-amitabh-bachchan-mimicry-in-show-23089763.html

https://www.jansatta.com/photos/news-gallery/raju-srivastav-death-news-amitabh-bachchan-favourite-comedian-actor-and-bjp-leader-left-his-family-members-behind-him-see-wife-and-daughter-photos/2389790/

https://www.koimoi.com/television/when-raju-srivastav-opened-up-about-being-obsessed-with-amitabh-bachchan-how-it-helped-him-never-sleep-empty-stomach-or-be-homeless-in-mumbai/

None of these sources that are discussing Raju and AB say that he was a look alike. You are grossly misrepresenting a fringe view and posting as mainstream view. Please provide Secondary sources if you want to include this claim. Venkat TL (talk) 15:06, 22 September 2022 (UTC)

They are WP:RS. They have written about his looks resembling that of Amitabh Bachchan in their own words. If they have found anything wrong with that then they would have said so, or else you could find any reliable sources to dispute this identification in order to back your make-believe "mainstream view".❯❯❯Pravega ^g=9.8 15:14, 22 September 2022 (UTC)

@Pravega You are asking me to prove a negative? Please produce secondary source that is not his interview and then we can talk. Please do not restore this outrageous claims without sufficient sourcing. Venkat TL (talk) 16:44, 22 September 2022 (UTC)

Comedian Bharti Singh

Comedian Bharti Singh, quote with the source added does not support the quote. It has been removed. Venkat TL (talk) 13:50, 22 September 2022 (UTC)

"I have watched his movies and as a comedienne I learned a lot from him, but now who is going to guide us when the king of comedy is no more. I watched him on 'The Great Indian Laughter Challenge', he inspired me a lot. It's a great loss for the entire country. I don't have words to express how I am feeling right now," Bharti added.[3] 100% supported by source. Dympies (talk) 14:43, 22 September 2022 (UTC)

Special:Diff/1111699516 This is your edit. You had added New Indian Express as a reference for this claim. Please check. Venkat TL (talk) 14:46, 22 September 2022 (UTC)

The IndiaTVNews source existed in the section. You can't tell me that you didn't read the section before you removed all related content. Dympies (talk) 15:05, 22 September 2022 (UTC)

Now that you have checked and understood that you had not added proper source as a reference, Dont you think you should apologize for starting this dispute by adding a wrong source as a reference? Secondly, why are you adding this quote? Venkat TL (talk) 16:39, 22 September 2022 (UTC)