Talk:Rainbow flag (LGBT)/Archive 1

Archive 1

March 2008

wasn't the Pride Flag adopted by Jesse Jackson's Rainbow Coalition in the 80s? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.9.50.216 (talk) 16:26, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

Linking names

Let's not put links in topic terms, okay? DeanaG (talk) 00:53, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

Propose merge from Pride family flag

Pls see discussion thread at Talk:Pride family flag.
User0529 (talk) 02:23, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

rainbow flag, wrong meaning

I understood that the origins of the rainbow flag came from the colours associated with homosexuality over the years. For instance emerald green was the 'gay' colour in Victorian times, Pink in Nazi Germany, Lavender in the US etc etc. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.137.242.44 (talk) 10:53, 22 December 2008 (UTC)

Nope. 82.9.103.55 (talk) 21:33, 7 June 2009 (UTC)

Carleton GSC

Currently reference four is a link to an unsigned page from Carleton's Gender and Sexuality Center.[1] The page claims its source as the "Alyson Almanac" - I'm not certain that this book has an author either. All we have is a note at the bottom, "Gender and Sexuality Center pages maintained by Kaaren M. Williamsen", but Williamsen doesn't appear to have any particular expertise,[2] and the GSC isn't an academic department.[3] The claim that Baker got the idea from a "World Peace flag" is a substantial one, and I don't see that this reference meets Wikipedia's standards. Anyone got a better reference?24.22.141.252 (talk) 21:15, 8 September 2009 (UTC)

Other rainbow flags

Just a reminder to everybody that this page is specifically about the rainbow flag as used by the LGBT movement. Other rainbow flags (e.g. the flag of the Jewish Autonomous Oblast, which I've just removed from this page) should go in Rainbow flag. —Spudtater (talk • contribs) 13:13, 13 October 2011 (UTC)

July 2012

This flag was already used by the incas. See the article about inca flag. 169.252.4.21 (talk) 08:08, 10 July 2012 (UTC)

ACLU Protects Anti-Gay Use of Rainbow

This should be mentioned in article: http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-201_162-57571382/conn-school-relents-allows-anti-gay-t-shirt/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.33.87.223 (talk) 17:35, 3 March 2013 (UTC)

Swedish high jumper Emma Green-Tregaro told to remove rainbow nail polish

MOSCOW (Reuters) By Justin Palmer- Swedish high jumper Emma Green-Tregaro, who painted her fingernails in the colors of the rainbow flag in support of Russia's gay community, has been told not to repeat the gesture in Saturday's world championship final. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.180.198.38 (talk) 16:12, 17 August 2013 (UTC)

EIA Color Code

Is the bit talking about EIA Color Code (resistor colours) really relevant? Surely that's just generic "rainbow colours" rather than anything specifically to do with the LGBT Rainbow flag? 86.6.157.145 (talk) 12:40, 19 November 2013 (UTC)

No, sounds like bullshit to me as well. Removing it. (It would only be plausible if there were non-spectral colors included in the rainbow flag, as with the resistor color coding.) -- Phyzome is Tim McCormack 03:25, 7 February 2014 (UTC)

The Detective (1968)

The Frank Sinatra film The Detective (1968) as well as being the prequel to Die Hard, was a pioneering film dealing largely with homosexuality. In the film there is a ledger of names called the Rainbow... so called because of the diversity of people it represented. It would be strange if the rainbow flag was not connected in some way to either this film or the 1966 book on which it was based. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 151.225.11.9 (talk) 22:23, 9 November 2014 (UTC)

Against Over the Rainbow

• Gilbert Baker is still waving the flag By Cory Stottlemyer, reporter, 365gay.com, 06.29.2009 4:27pm EDT: Baker put to rest rumors that he created a rainbow flag in honor of Judy Garland’s “Somewhere over the Rainbow” from the Wizard of Oz. / “I came from the Streisand generation. She was all about not conforming and not being a victim,” Gilbert explained, the opposite of what Garland stood for. “She was a tragic woman who rose from her abuse,” Gilbert said about Garland, something he said the gay movement related to during the Stonewall Movement. His generation was all about fighting the system and not being persecuted, like Streisand. / “It was all about ‘She’s a Rainbow’ by the Stones, not ‘Over the Rainbow,’” added in Baker with a laugh.

The connection comes later. --Franz (Fg68at) de:Talk 19:09, 14 January 2015 (UTC)

October 2010

The flag designer may have been inspired by the use of rainbows in the movie "Rocky Horror Picture Show" (1975). Particularly, there is a pattern on tank in lab scene, and a rainbow is seen in the end scene.99.230.246.99 (talk) 04:57, 1 November 2010 (UTC)

Yes! I thought the same given the tank is used to create a gay playmate and the movie precedes the flag by a few years... Efficacious (talk) 07:28, 6 July 2015 (UTC)

rededign of the rainbow flag

symbolism of rainbow is not appropriate for a marginalized group. suggest splitting LGBT into gay groups and lesbian /femme groups. maybe use existing bear flag for gay groups rather than the femme rainbow flags. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.55.34.248 (talk) 02:31, 11 October 2015 (UTC)

Upside down rainbow flag is not a thing

I suspect that the recent edit adding a sentence about how the flag is meant to be flown upside down is attempted whitewashing of Donald Trump’s mistake during a rally.

Etalli (talk) 21:20, 10 November 2016 (UTC)

The 1990s version

The flag was rather different during the 90s (in the US). The six colors were red, orange, yellow, green, blue, and purple. The blue and purple were quite different from the bottom two colors today. They were rather dark and very similar to each other. I have lots of memorabilia from the 90s with these distinctly different colors on them. The gay press and, I believe, contemporary scholarship both spoke pretty consistently of blue and purple stripes. I can't be the only person to recall this, which should be reflected in the article. I have no idea how that or the subsequent change came to be, but it would be good to hunt down the answer and include it in the article also. Antinoos69 (talk) 10:30, 12 February 2017 (UTC)

The meanings of the original flag colours

Secondary sources contradict each other on the meanings that Gilbert assigned to some of the colors; especially green, turquoise, and indigo. However, in every direct quote and interview with Gilbert that I found, he says that green is nature, turquoise is magic, and indigo (or blue) is serenity. In a video piece published by NBC Out in June 2016, he says that turquoise represents "art and magic"; this is now reflected in the flag diagram.

Many secondary sources say that turquoise symbolises art, and indigo harmony; some hedge their bets and report both. A few sources report the meaning of green to be "serenity with nature". Some sources make other claims, but these are the most common. I have yet to find a primary source that corroborates these alternate meanings. —Ringbang (talk) 00:34, 3 June 2017 (UTC)

The "new" variant

Not trying to start anything, but the "proposed variant" that was added supposedly against Trump's policies seems to come out of nowhere. This seems to be a random thing that some Tumblr user has made up. I can't find any sources for it and have never personally heard about it before. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 192.252.133.70 (talk) 19:30, 10 March 2017 (UTC)

There are more things in heaven and hell … . Give it some time. It's quite fascinating. Antinoos69 (talk) 13:54, 11 March 2017 (UTC)

I deleted it. It isn't backed by reliable sources, or (as far as I can tell) substantiated in any way. —Ringbang (talk) 14:27, 3 June 2017 (UTC)

December 2016

This flag is very similar to the Flag of Cusco.

Chackerian (talk) 03:30, 28 December 2016 (UTC)

It is indeed similar to the seven-stripe version. Rainbow flags in general are discussed in the Rainbow flag article. —Ringbang (talk) 21:38, 3 June 2017 (UTC)

Spirit Day has been around forever

We had it in the 90s in Utah — Preceding unsigned comment added by 97.115.252.163 (talk) 15:37, 22 December 2018 (UTC)

About Rainbow Imperialism, Tolerance & Peace Flag vs Purple and Pink the colors of the lgtb movement

The rainbow flag was a flag that became popular in the time of the flower power movements. It was a very old universal symbol, symbolizing universality, the power of diversity, marvell, tolerance and openess, openess to other possibilities, opening the mind, in contrast with the very narrow minded, predictable path laid out: be a good christian, study, fall in love, get a job, marry, have a career, consume, have 2 children, serve the army, grandchildren, die and repeat; leaving so many frustrated: women who wanted to pursue a career, men who didn't want to match that pattern, so many clergy men and women who felt so unhappy / thought they had to devote their lives to Christ because they didn't even know there was something as a gender continuum/lgtb. The rainbow flag is a flag that unites and allows many others to bring and add their colors. Every people on the planet knows the rainbow, and it has been depicted by just about every people on the planet much earlier than the 1960-70'ies. So it is not to some Western people to grab and claim ownership of this symbol; that would be very unwise, selfish and a symbol of stupidity. It is certainly not the first time in 1960 or 70 that the rainbow was depicted on a flag. The flag refers to the rainbow, which refers to an element of nature every people knows and marvels at, hence it is a symbol universality, of the rich variety in nature, of marvel, of multi-colors = multiple possibilities, inspiration and tolerance. Because it is so universal - known to all people on the planet, and all these peoples attribute similar characteristics to it, it is a very open flag and symbol that unites, allows many other movements to unite behind it. It is certainly NOT the colors or the flag of the LGTB movement. The LGTB movement already has 2 colors: purple and pink and doesn't want to possess more and more colors, leaving nothing/take away - e.g. the flag of tolerance/symbol of tolerance - to other movements as this would expose a feeling of egocentricity of the lgtb movement which would harm the lgtb movement because they would be isolated iso taken-up again with others. At least since 2006, the misuse of the rainbow flag by the lgtb community has become so bad, that the rainbow flag in many non-western cultures is becoming a symbol of colonial, post-colonial, rainbow imperialism, imperialist culturalism - culture imposition on local culture, local ways of dealing with gender and forms of living together. --SvenAERTS (talk) 13:29, 28 December 2018 (UTC)

Rainbow symbol in ancient times all over the world

Is there an article with an overview of the rainbow symbol in cultures all over the world? Thy --SvenAERTS (talk) 16:29, 28 December 2018 (UTC)

Yes. Try rainbow flag or rainbow (symbol) -- The Anome (talk) 00:13, 26 December 2019 (UTC)

Black/brown variant

A new variant of the flag now features black and brown stripes.(link) Has anyone else noticed that this has been done in such a way as to make this exactly match the resistor color code? The only color left to add is then white, and then -- poetically -- we can add silver and gold to indicate tolerance. -- The Anome (talk) 14:02, 23 June 2017 (UTC)

You are right, the rainbow flag is the symbol for tolerance, universality, variety one can find in nature, inspiration and respect for nature. Pink and purple are the colors for the lgtb movement.

Here it is:

Qzekrom (talk) 03:14, 19 February 2019 (UTC)

LGBT pride flag

Article starts with "The rainbow flag, commonly known as the gay pride flag or LGBT pride flag, is a symbol of lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender (LGBT) pride and LGBT social movements.". Would it be more accurate to move "LGBT pride flag" up a few words in the lead paragraph resulting in "The rainbow flag, commonly known as the LGBT pride flag or gay pride flag, ..."? (bolding for emphasis) --EarthFurst (talk) 23:43, 23 May 2019 (UTC)

Rainbow flag vs wide rainbow flag (which is extremely rare and non-recognized yet; has two more strips)

• rainbow flag:

  lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender, and queer

• wide rainbow flag:

  (nowadays rare/has two more bands of different colors)

  lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender, queer, straight, and asexual — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:587:411C:6A00:D98E:E4EA:81FD:7599 (talk) 07:01, 11 August 2019 (UTC)

article moved/renamed: "LGBT pride flag" vs "Rainbow flag"

I'm not convinced the recent move/rename for this article by The Anome is aligned with the most commonly used name. I'd suggest restoring "Rainbow flag" to the article title. — HipLibrarianship ^talk 01:29, 26 December 2019 (UTC)

Also worth noting that the Rainbow flag is just one of several different flavors of "LGBT pride flag" ; compare LGBT symbols for examples. — HipLibrarianship ^talk 01:38, 26 December 2019 (UTC)

Firstly, we already have an article about rainbow flags in general, with the obvious name. This specific rainbow flag, and its close variants, is the preeminent LGBT pride flag, as you can see by going to any Pride march. Several other more specific pride flag variants are also mentioned in the article, and we have spin-off articles for several of these. -- The Anome (talk) 03:31, 26 December 2019 (UTC)

I'm familiar with the (generic) Rainbow flag article, same goes for the prominence of Gilbert Baker's flag at Pride events. Furthermore I recently edited this article to link to several specific-pride flag articles, because various out-of-scope/non-rainbow additions had piled up. Aside from not seeking any input on moving/renaming this article, I'm concerned the title chosen by The Anome fails the common name test. I'd suggest the title LGBT pride flag redirect to LGBT symbols instead. — HipLibrarianship ^talk 06:38, 26 December 2019 (UTC)

Google searches show this flag as most commonly being called either the "LGBT pride flag" or "gay pride flag", sufficiently so in my opinion as to meet the WP:COMMONNAME criteria. It is also so much more common than any other LGBT+ flag that it deserves its own article: again, if you visit any Pride celebration you will see this. -- The Anome (talk) 17:48, 26 December 2019 (UTC)

The common name is "rainbow flag", pure and simple. If you've been to any Pride celebrations you will hear this. And in terms of any official name, MoMA calls it the "rainbow flag" and the creator Gilbert Baker refers to it as the "Rainbow Flag" too. — HipLibrarianship ^talk 04:44, 27 December 2019 (UTC)

RfC about recent article move: rainbow/LGBT+/pride flag

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The article Rainbow flag (LGBT movement) was recently moved to LGBT pride flag: What is the most appropriate name for the Wikipedia article? — HipLibrarianship ^talk 05:12, 27 December 2019 (UTC)

• Procedural note this would be best handled as a requested move and not an RFC. Elizium23 (talk) 05:26, 27 December 2019 (UTC)

  True, see WP:RFCNOT, last bullet. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 10:14, 28 December 2019 (UTC)

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Requested move 28 December 2019

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The result of the move request was: Moved (non-admin closure) Red Slash 05:51, 5 January 2020 (UTC)

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LGBT pride flag → Rainbow flag (LGBT) – The article name should feature rainbow as the primary element. In addition to being most commonly known as the "rainbow flag," the creator Gilbert Baker called it the "rainbow flag" and MoMA uses "rainbow flag" in its collection register. Also, the article title "LGBT pride flag" is ambiguous; various pride flags are used across LGBT community. — HipLibrarianship ^talk 17:29, 28 December 2019 (UTC)

• Comment: Hiplibrarianship, this doesn't actually require discussion. You can simply log a request to revert an undiscussed move that you think required discussion at Wikipedia:Requested moves/Technical requests#Requests to revert undiscussed moves and then it's on the person who made the original move to make a case for their proposal per bold, revert, discuss. SITH (talk) 13:41, 4 January 2020 (UTC)

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Emoji

Would love to see a section on its recognition as an emoji in 2016.

Added this to the history section. — HipLibrarianship ^talk 05:18, 8 February 2020 (UTC)

City Specific Pride Flags

The City of Dallas, Texas, has formalized a "Dallas City Pride Flag" which will fly over the Dallas City Hall for the month of June every year starting in June 2020. The flag uses the 6-color rainbow flag with the Dallas City Seal in the middle. I believe this may be one of the first instances of a City-specific Pride Flag created by the ruling city council.

The city resolution can be found here in an article by the Dallas Voice https://dallasvoice.com/city-of-dallas-proclaims-pride/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.184.88.123 (talk) 18:59, 17 June 2020 (UTC)

Original flag.

The origin of this flag was by a priest in Italian unification predating the stated period by almost six hundred years. 121.210.33.50 (talk) 07:30, 3 July 2020 (UTC)

Merger proposal

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The result of this discussion was in the affirmative for a merge, after over six months of inactivity. (non-admin closure) ItsPugle (talk) 02:37, 6 July 2020 (UTC)

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@MensanDeltiologist, Gleeanon409, Marek69, Rmosler2100, Materialscientist, Jamiemaloneyscoreg, Shalomi Obami, Sydbeqabarrett, Hiplibrarianship, SRF13, Anagnostria, Flyer22 Reborn, LordWikiMaster, William2001, Bonadea, Shellwood, and CLCStudent:

I propose to merge United We Pride into Rainbow flag (LGBT movement). There is very little to support independent notability of the UWP article, which makes it eligible for a possible deletion nomination. Almost all of the sources, both those in the article as well as those found online, are about the flag itself and not about the "project." Perhaps a mention, properly sourced, in the main article on the LGBT flag can save the day. -The Gnome (talk) 22:58, 25 December 2019 (UTC)

• Yes! Please do, no need for a long discussion.

I had presumed that UWP would have done *some* promotional work around the world but was unable to find much for each stop.

There is already a start under the section Other Large Flags, it’s very hard for me to compare two pages on my phone so if someone else is able to I’d appreciate it. Gleeanon409 (talk) 23:21, 25 December 2019 (UTC)

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Overall Evaluation (for a class)

This article is very sold when it comes to providing information on the Rainbow (LGBT) flag. My only concern is that you don't state which version of the flag is the official LGBT Flag or how it can be expanded to match the more exclusive title of LGBTTQQIAAP (lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender, transsexual, queer, questioning, intersex, asexual, ally, pansexual) <ref>https://www.uis.edu/gendersexualitystudentservices/about/lgbtqaterminology/</red>. Would it be an important thing to include to make your article more up to date? Overall this is a very formal article and helped me learn a lot that I wasn't aware of before. All the conversations on the talk page are very interesting as well. NoahJacobsen (talk) 00:33, 23 January 2021 (UTC)

I don't really understand what you are asking. If you are asking to change the acronym from LGBT to LGBTTQQIAAP throughout the article, then I would say no. As has been discussed at length in many places, most intersex people don't identify as LGBT. But that's beside the point, which is that we follow what RS's call the flag/community, which is not LGBTTQQIAAP. I am even opposed to LGBTQ but that seems to have gained enough currency over LGBT that changing the name within the article would be controversial. But if you're asking about a particular "LGBTTQQIAAP flag" being included, then I am unaware of any such item. Urve (talk) 17:50, 31 January 2021 (UTC)

RFC: acronym usage

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There is nearly unanimous consensus that LGBT is the acronym to be used in this article based on how this acronym is used across Wikipedia. TrueQuantum (talk) 20:24, 12 June 2021 (UTC)

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Please specify the acronym to be uniformly used in this article:

1. LGBT
2. LGBTQ
3. Other (specify) Elizium23 (talk) 01:43, 7 June 2021 (UTC)

• LGBT per uniform consensus across Wikipedia, including article titles. Elizium23 (talk) 01:43, 7 June 2021 (UTC)
• LGBT or LGBT+, since those are the terms people are most likely to be familiar with. (Summoned by bot) --I dream of horses (Contribs) Please notify me if replying off my talk page. Thank you. 03:04, 7 June 2021 (UTC)
• LGBT since, irrespective of official full notation, this is the shorthand used by sources most of the time. -The Gnome (talk) 15:19, 7 June 2021 (UTC)
• LGBT. I'm never too sure what the Q or + actually mean, let alone the other letters and symbols that occasionally get thrown in. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 19:32, 7 June 2021 (UTC)
• LGBT as this is the most commonly used by sources. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 11:06, 8 June 2021 (UTC)
• LGBT or LGBT+ Considering there are other connotations to it. Sea Ane (talk) 15:37, 9 June 2021 (UTC)
• LGBTYousef Raz (talk) 23:07, 11 June 2021 (UTC)
• The question is leading in that it assumes the usage has to be uniform, which hasn't been discussed. I would use LGBTQ the first time or for the start of the article, since it's defining the set of people represented, and then default to LGBT throughout the rest unless context demands otherwise. ─ ReconditeRodent « talk · contribs » 00:47, 12 June 2021 (UTC)

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This RfC was closed prematurely as I was writing this:

• Both - I don't see a compelling argument to totally disregard LGBTQ, good lord folks, this is 2021, LGBTQ is widespread and frequently used in reliable sources, so to argue that LGBT is still the most prominent is simply not true, especially amongst our young readers: [4], [5], [6], [7], [8], [9], [10], [11], [12], [13], [14] (out of thousands) and also the American Psychological Association, The Trevor Project and Human Rights Campaign (select few) have all adopted LGBTQ, and there is also the current recommendations from The Association of LGBTQ Journalists as LGBTQ and also GLAAD Media Reference Guide. And last but certainly not least, the current administration is up to speed: White House (LGBTQ+). So I disagree that in a LGBTQ related article, that we shouldn't use LGBTQ as an acronym in the body of the article. Isaidnoway (talk) 20:33, 12 June 2021 (UTC)

Unsourced claim about typical orientation sounds like OR

The flag is typically flown horizontally, with the red stripe on top, as it would be in a natural rainbow.

No source is given. Sounds like OR. And it seems just plain wrong. I’ve never seen Pride flags that were flown differently from other flags. To give just one example: flag orientation varies regionally throughout Germany. In the windy coastal areas, horizontal flags predominate. But in the less windy south, flags are commonly hung vertically (to be more easily visible when there’s no wind.) And Pride flags are no exception, see, e.g., this flag from Munich. —ThorstenNY (talk) 14:00, 21 June 2021 (UTC)

Inclusion of the "Layer Cake" Pride flag?

Curious if we should include the "Layer Cake" pride flag that briefly existed prior to Mr. Quasar's Progress Pride flag. The one that prompted Mr. Quasar to make the Progress flag in the first place after calling the layer cake flag an abomination. It doesn't see much prominence nowadays but it was a funny little flag that still has its supporters. For those un-informed it is the Philadelphia Pride Flag with the trans colors slapped on top, making a striking 11 (or 13, can't remember) stripped flag. TheArrivedHussars (talk) 07:06, 4 July 2021 (UTC)

Criticism

Wouldn't it be beneficial to also include criticism of this flag?80.43.75.81 (talk) 08:57, 13 August 2021 (UTC)

Why? HiLo48 (talk) 10:14, 13 August 2021 (UTC)

Proportion

I understand that you can observe the colors selection in multiple sources, but I observed that the proportions of the flag differ from place to place so I wonder why they are listed as 2:3 - is it supported by any organization explicitly? Nimdil2 (talk) 12:13, 8 November 2021 (UTC)

The difference between the two new Pride Flags

I noticed the 2018 Progress Pride flag by Daniel Quasar this year. Being used in my city (big city in Canada). I did not know 2018 New Pride Flag by Julia Feliz existed until a few minutes ago when I came to Wikipedia.

Should we change the current Pride Flag on the article (top left) to either of Daniel or Julia new Pride Flags?

Who decides which one is the "standard"? Different areas in the world have different variants. Toronto (Canada) is using Daniel's version.

I haven't seen Julia's version being used in Toronto. Nothing against Julia MiroslavGlavic (talk) 00:34, 3 December 2021 (UTC)

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Proposed merge of New Pride Flag into Rainbow flag (LGBT)

The New Pride Flag article lacks notability. Most independent sources discussing the topic just mention it in passing and I was unable to find in-depth coverage in secondary sources. Most other pride flag variants are already covered in the main article (section #Variations) so I propose that this topic also be covered there. (t · c) buidhe 21:44, 27 October 2021 (UTC)

I do think it is a relevant subject for Wikipedia; this alternative 'rainbow flag' is used to include more marginalized groups and acknowledge the racism that still exists in the LHBT movements. I agree it could be a good idea to integrate (most of) the text and the image on the page Rainbow flag (LGBT). If we can find more sources, the seperate page New Pride Flag could be maintained apart from this one. But for now, just a redirect would be fine imho. Laurier (talk) 15:23, 28 October 2021 (UTC)

No. That would mean that the New Pride Flag is replacing the Pride Flag. There is a good section on variation in the Rainbow flag (LGBT) article. The New Pride Flag (bad name IMO) includes racism and intersectionality. There was a South Park episode parodying the town trying to create a flag that includes everything. Please watch it. This is not the purpose of a flag. Please create a Social Justice flag, a flag that represents the diverse races/culture of our nation. Do NOT bastardize the Pride Flag with extraneous representations. Asherkobin (talk) 03:34, 6 November 2021 (UTC)

@Asherkobin: Do you refer to "Chef Goes Nanners"? --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 13:25, 6 November 2021 (UTC)

This discussion isn't about whether we like the "New Pride Flag" or not, rather if this flag deserves a separate article. In regards to concerns about intersectionality, the Progress Pride flag includes intersectionality, so does the Philadelphia POC flag and practically every other flag in the Variations section. I agree with OP, the information in the NPF article should be moved to the Rainbow flag (LGBT). The flag itself is insufficiently notable and there is only a small amount of information in the NPF article anyway. I would also like to note that if we do say that NPF is sufficiently notable to deserve a separate article, many of the other flags in the Variations section would need articles of their own too. ~BappleBusiness^[talk] 21:03, 22 December 2021 (UTC)

They are different flags and they deserve to have different pages. 108.231.245.63 (talk) 01:55, 24 March 2022 (UTC)

The Rainbow Flag page already covers the Philidelpha flag and the Progress flag, why not this much less used flag? 98.29.25.170 (talk) 00:37, 8 April 2022 (UTC)

it only makes sense to give its own page, especially with the whole story that goes behind it. it deserves to have its own story told seprately, out of respect for both flags? 2603:90C8:200:620F:D0FC:F6A:55D6:6DB5 (talk) 16:52, 6 June 2022 (UTC)

Support merge; New Pride Flag already covered in article Variations section. — HipLibrarianship ^talk 05:05, 4 May 2022 (UTC)

• Oppose as the subject is notable and every other flag gets a page. —ÐW-🇺🇦^(T·C) 15:04, 4 May 2022 (UTC) Support. There is no hope left for this article. —ÐW-🇺🇦^(T·C) 15:08, 4 May 2022 (UTC)

I agree with BappleBusiness: it's not about our opinions on the flag(s), but about wether there are enough sources to conclude it is notable. I like that there is a seperate page about the New Pride Flag, but if it is decided the information about that flag shoud be included on this page, I'm okay with that. Please don't delete information or sources in the process, though. Thank you, Laurier (talk) 05:19, 9 May 2022 (UTC)

Comment while I do not know enough to definitively say if we should merge or not, if it is decided to keep the pages separate, it should probably be moved to something like “New Pride Flag (Julia Feliez)”, I feel that most searching “new pride flag” are looking for the progress flag, not this, which I have literally never seen before, and I use tumblr MRN2electricboogaloo (talk) 03:55, 22 May 2022 (UTC)

Support the merger, I do not think this specific variant is notable enough by itself. Here in the United States I have never once seen this "new pride flag" flag. The most commons one are the typical 6-stiped queer pride flag and the queer+trans+BIPOC chevron combo flag. DashJustice (talk) 00:18, 3 June 2022 (UTC)

Support at least for now. There aren't, AFAIK, pages for the other variants of the Rainbow flag and this one doesn't seem uniquely notable such that it necessarily needs a separate page. That said, if this flag gets more widely adopted such that there's more independent, unique coverage of it, I could see a separate article being worthwhile at that time.DocFreeman24 (talk) 01:22, 3 June 2022 (UTC)

 Done per consensus and WP:BOLD. Caleb Stanford (talk) 05:53, 20 June 2022 (UTC)

Colors

Do we have a RS as to what the colors should be digitized as? The current version is quite ugly IMO, especially the green, and doesn't look much like a rainbow. Cf. the green in the previous thread and the flag of the Jewish Autonomous Oblast (how ironic!),

Apart from collapsing the two blues, what about using these colors for rainbow flag? Or using the right-side colors in the previous thread?

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— kwami (talk) 22:17, 10 April 2023 (UTC)

Notable flag creations

Under notable flag creations mention should be made of the rainbow roundabout (a tourist attraction in Braddon, Canberra, Australia). https://www.canberratimes.com.au/story/6869884/braddons-rainbow-junction-named-international-roundabout-of-the-year/ TrevorHickman (talk) 03:05, 15 May 2023 (UTC)

The better place for that would probably be the article DIY rainbow crossing that lists notable rainbow crosswalks around the world and then a mention to that article be included here. Raladic (talk) 03:24, 15 May 2023 (UTC)

I have included the roundabout at the new List of rainbow crossings now and have also added a small section to the article here that links to the articles about rainbow crossings and the list. Raladic (talk) 14:45, 15 May 2023 (UTC)

Change infobox image

I suggest we change the image in the infobox to this one:

איתן קרסנטי (talk) 13:45, 17 January 2023 (UTC)

Why? Fred Gandt · talk · contribs 14:28, 17 January 2023 (UTC)

WP:GREATWRONGS I presume— it’s a more inclusive but far more obscure design. I think this is a WP:SNOW case of “no”. Dronebogus (talk) 14:31, 17 January 2023 (UTC)

Absolutely not. By its supposed "inclusiveness", it is explicitly missing other marginalized groups. It's mixing sexual queerness with people's race, and only black and brown for that. Giving the colors actual meaning will just lead to an ever-evolving flag with too many colors. Why not add one for sexual assault victims? It might as well just be all brown. I could go on. Asherkobin (talk) 20:48, 3 June 2023 (UTC)

change pic

we should change the infobox image to this one, since its now the more commonly used, and includes more and is overall more inclusive.

Please respond quickly Babysharkboss2 (talk) 16:17, 29 August 2023 (UTC)

The rainbow flag is still widely used as it is, more so than some of the variants, so if we made a change, we’d probably need some data to back up which variants are used more. Raladic (talk) 00:52, 30 August 2023 (UTC)

ok, makes sense Babysharkboss2 (talk) 12:03, 30 August 2023 (UTC)

USA Citizens Delusion

Europeans never made the 'gay pride flag', so how can it be Eurocentric? Just because you make something no one really likes, you cannot blame Europeans for it. Take responsibility for your own actions instead of being left wingers blaming Latvia for something the USA did on the other side of the planet. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 142.163.71.29 (talk) 12:07, 17 November 2023 (UTC)