Talk:Rafael Antonio Gutiérrez

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GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:Rafael Antonio Gutiérrez/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: FredModulars (talk · contribs) 04:29, 24 November 2021 (UTC)

Happy to be reviewing this article. Expect comments soon. FredModulars (talk) 04:29, 24 November 2021 (UTC)

Criteria

Good Article Status - Review Criteria

Further information: WP:WIAGA

A good article is—

1. Well-written:

(a) the prose is clear, concise, and understandable to an appropriately broad audience; spelling and grammar are correct; and

(b) it complies with the Manual of Style guidelines for lead sections, layout, words to watch, fiction, and list incorporation.

2. Verifiable with no original research:

(a) it contains a list of all references (sources of information), presented in accordance with the layout style guideline;

(b) reliable sources are cited inline. All content that could reasonably be challenged, except for plot summaries and that which summarizes cited content elsewhere in the article, must be cited no later than the end of the paragraph (or line if the content is not in prose);

(c) it contains no original research; and

(d) it contains no copyright violations or plagiarism.

3. Broad in its coverage:

(a) it addresses the main aspects of the topic; and

(b) it stays focused on the topic without going into unnecessary detail (see summary style).

4. Neutral: it represents viewpoints fairly and without editorial bias, giving due weight to each.
5. Stable: it does not change significantly from day to day because of an ongoing edit war or content dispute.
6. Illustrated, if possible, by media such as images, video, or audio:

(a) media are tagged with their copyright statuses, and valid non-free use rationales are provided for non-free content; and

(b) media are relevant to the topic, and have suitable captions.

Review

1. Well-written:

Criteria	Notes	Result
(a) (prose)	Minor notes, see discussion	Pass
(b) (MoS)	Good	Pass

2. Verifiable with no original research:

Criteria	Notes	Result
(a) (references)	Good	Pass
(b) (citations to reliable sources)	Good	Pass
(c) (original research)	Good	Pass
(d) (copyvio and plagiarism)	Good	Pass

3. Broad in its coverage:

Criteria	Notes	Result
(a) (major aspects)	Concerns, potentially failed Adequate	Pass
(b) (focused)	Good	Pass

4. Neutral: it represents viewpoints fairly and without editorial bias, giving due weight to each.

Notes	Result
Good	Pass

5. Stable: it does not change significantly from day to day because of an ongoing edit war or content dispute.

Notes	Result
Good	Pass

6. Illustrated, if possible, by media such as images, video, or audio:

Criteria	Notes	Result
(a) (images are tagged and non-free images have fair use rationales)	No images	Pass
(b) (appropriate use with suitable captions)	Good	Pass

Result

Result	Notes
Pass	Passed

Discussion

I have little to nothing to comment on prose, MoS, or references. The article is overall solid and conveys the information very well. I do have a few concerns, however:

Lead

• Is there any link to "1898 Izalco Revolt" on another Wikipedia? If so, add it.
  • No there isn't, but it's on my list of pages to create eventually.

Early life

• Is his father named or unidentified? Also, not a requirement, but is there a date for when he married Mejía?
  • No for both.
• The detail on Colonel Jorge Tenorio is a little arbitrary. Does he have any importance? If so, he should be linked (either to en., es., or another Wikipedia) or his importance should be stated. If not, it should be removed.
  • Removed.
• Not to be nitpicky, but "His wife was Carlota Mejía" sounds off. I have changed it to "He married...," but if you feel it should be the former please revert and explain why.
  • Fixed.

Rise to power

• Is there any link to "Manuel Rivas" on another Wikipedia? If so, add it.
  • There is not.
• "for the Presidency" presidency should be lowercase. "Vice President", "President of El Salvador," and "Provisional President" all should be lowercase as well (except El Salvador, of course).
  • Fixed.
• The sole image in the article may be erroneously licensed. The licensing is based on the author's lifetime and the date it was published, but none are provided and I doubt it is "Own work."
  • The image is in public domain since it is so old, so I'd need to see how to fix the date source and author information. Pizzaking13 (Hablame) 19:31, 28 November 2021 (UTC)
    • It might, but that also depends on when it was published. FredModulars (talk) 22:33, 28 November 2021 (UTC)
      • Gutiérrez died in 1921, so before the US's 1926 when published items come into the public domain, and it would have most likely been taken between 1894 and 1898 (during his presidency). Pizzaking13 (Hablame) 22:51, 28 November 2021 (UTC)
        • I amended the information, so it should be correct now. Pizzaking13 (Hablame) 23:55, 28 November 2021 (UTC)
          • A photo taken sometime could have been published years or decades later, or possibly never published at all. Furthermore, you're relying on speculation as to when it was taken/published. You have changed the source to the Government of El Salvador. Do you have a link to this so more concrete information on the photo can be extracted? FredModulars (talk) 00:39, 29 November 2021 (UTC)
            • I've removed the image for now until I can figure out its copyright status, which I'm mostly certain that it is in the public domain. Pizzaking13 (Hablame) 05:20, 2 December 2021 (UTC)

However, the largest issue I have is that the article doesn't provide a lot of information on Gutierrez. The section "Death" is incredibly short and his life after the presidency isn't even mentioned. I understand there's a possibility he is not mentioned much in sources, and when he is it is mostly restricted to his presidency, but I am afraid I cannot promote this to GA status with the current lack of information. Even a little information would suffice, but there is none. His early life is also skimmed through, which would preferably be expanded upon, but it might suffice. Without sufficient coverage of his pre- and post-presidential life, I will have to consult a second opinion on criteria 3 or fail this nomination.

I understand, this is the most information I have been able to pull from like 20+ pages of Google through government sources, books, and university pages. This is the longest and most referenced page regarding Gutiérrez among the other Wikipedia languages, however. Pizzaking13 (Hablame) 19:35, 28 November 2021 (UTC)

Given the situation, I think I will pass coverage. FredModulars (talk) 22:37, 28 November 2021 (UTC)

@Pizzaking13: I hope you got the talk page message, but I wanted to ping you just in case you were unaware of the review. FredModulars (talk) 06:46, 25 November 2021 (UTC)

@Pizzaking13: Pass. Though short, it is sweet, and I understand the lack of information comes from a lack of information in the sources. It's certainly well-written, well-referenced, stable, and neutral. Congratulations! FredModulars (talk) 10:54, 2 December 2021 (UTC)

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