Talk:Princess Tatiana of Greece and Denmark

Princess Tatiana?

Her title is Princess Tatiana nee Tatiana Blatnik, wife of Prince Nikolaos of Greece and Denmark. So the article should renamed Princess Tatiana of Greece and Denmark. Not Princess Nikolaos of Greece and Denmark.(!?) And by the way they married some days ago. So the title is official. --109.242.75.179 (talk) 07:32, 2 September 2010 (UTC)

Prove it. Greek princesses by marriage have always been known by their husband's name, from Princess Andrew of Greece and Denmark to Crown Princess Pavlos.[1] And what's with the "!?", huh? The Spy Who Came in from the Cold (talk) 10:23, 2 September 2010 (UTC)

Ok! Sorry. I did not know about that! It's just so weird and funny! lol! And unfair! Anyway. The "!?" is there to say that I think it's weird, just that. Thanks for the info by the way! --109.242.65.200 (talk) 16:14, 4 September 2010 (UTC)

No problem. Anyway, I don't think it's unfair - she was an event planner before meeting Nikolaos. She is princess only because she is married to Nikolaos. Thus, it makes sense to call her Princess Nikolaos. The Spy Who Came in from the Cold (talk) 16:36, 4 September 2010 (UTC)

That's a very Anglocentric (i.e. British) point of view. In every other monarchy princesses retain their own forenames. That the royal family is based in London probably explains it but she is still Princess Tatiana. Seven Letters 17:39, 20 September 2010 (UTC)

In Greek and British monarchies they don't. It's not Anglocentric - it's a fact. Stating that she is Princess Tatiana is a POV which has no place in the article. Or can you prove that she called Princess Tatiana, even though her sister-in-law is Crown Princess Pavlos?[2] Surtsicna (talk) 17:49, 20 September 2010 (UTC)

Nonsense! I have graduated from Anavryta, the former "royal" school near Athens. We had a huge library there, and the bulk of the books in English had been donated by the royal family. My favourite reading material was the Sherlock Holmes stories by Arthur Conan Doyle, and I remember very vividly that these wonderful, old, leather-bound books were all stamped "Ex libris Prigkipissis Nikolaou" ("of Princess Nicholas"). Presumably they had belonged to Grand Duchess Elena Vladimirovna of Russia (who was an imperial grand duchess by birth, mind you), the wife of Prince Nicholas of Greece and Denmark, and were donated to the school. I actually made fun of the fact by asking the headmaster, in public: "Sir, why did Prince Nicholas style himself a princess? Was there something amiss?". He did not think it was funny, needless to say. :-) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.1.236.21 (talk) 01:26, 27 March 2011 (UTC)

Strangely the official website now no longer refers to "Crown Princess Pavlos" calling her "Princess Marie Chantel" and "Princess Nikolaos" has been changed to "Princess Tataina".[3] - dwc lr (talk) 16:37, 20 November 2010 (UTC)

Is that really strange? This article should be moved accordingly. Seven Letters 17:56, 20 November 2010 (UTC)

Well a week or so ago when the profile was put up she was called "Princess Nikolaos". - dwc lr (talk) 18:28, 20 November 2010 (UTC)

Let's think of it this way though: Was it okay to use that as the source to refer to her as Princess Nikolaos? It has changed now. Seven Letters 19:09, 20 November 2010 (UTC)

I agree the article should be moved. - dwc lr (talk) 20:02, 20 November 2010 (UTC)

Do you think RM or a request for a speedy move with a link to the website? Seven Letters 23:07, 20 November 2010 (UTC)

Personally I would just move it and request a RM if its contested. - dwc lr (talk) 00:43, 21 November 2010 (UTC)

Can't be moved because the target is a redirect. I'll put it up as uncontroversial with a link to the official site. Seven Letters 01:48, 21 November 2010 (UTC)

Oh right I see, ok yeah that's the best course of action then. - dwc lr (talk) 02:04, 21 November 2010 (UTC)

Ex princess?

is it still the same when tne son of an EX-king marries?. Surely Nikolas is EX-Prince Nikolas and therefore wasn't a prince(only is his own mind) by the time they married. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.46.40.92 (talk) 06:03, 28 September 2010 (UTC)

Tatiana is the daughter-in-law of a "pretender" to a non-existent throne just as Caroline of Monaco is the wife of a pretender to a non existent throne. They are "pretend " titles only. Hell, sometimes I "pretend" to be a princees myself. And where is "elsewhere" ????? certainly Greece nor where I come from form that matter. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.46.62.27 (talk) 19:04, 5 February 2011 (UTC)

Firstly, Princess Tatiana is legally a princess in Denmark, and her title as Princess of Greece and Denmark is a valid title in the Danish royal family, so she is officially a princess even with Greece now being a democracy. Secondly Carolina, Princess of Hanover is a princess of Monaco by birth (so still legally a princess) even though the Kingdom of Hanover in Germany has been defunct for quite some time. Still, the titles of Hanoverian princes and princesses are legal and recognized in the United Kingdom, as the House of Hanover once also ruled England (Queen Victoria, for example, was a Hanoverian ruler). And while German titles are no longer valid, the Royal Houses still exist and titles have become legal parts of the surname. -- Willthacheerleader18 (talk) 17:45, 29 April 2017 (UTC)

No, there is no such Danish title as "Prince(ss) of Greece and Denmark". There are two separate titles — "Prince(ss) of Greece" (a Greek title) and "Prince(ss) of Denmark" (a Danish title) — from two separate jurisdictions that have been combined for convenience in this article. The Greek titles are claimed in pretence, and it is custom for formerly ruling royal houses to retain their titles by courtesy. Even if that were not the case, Tatiana would still be a "genuine" princess (of Denmark) because Denmark is an extant monarchy.--79.71.87.243 (talk) 23:28, 23 December 2022 (UTC)

Answer

He is not Prince in his own mid, for the royal monarchy of Denmark they are officially Princess or Princes, they exist only three members of the Greek Royal Family who are not entitled to use the title of Princess or Prince of Greece and Denmark with the style Royal Highness. They are:

• Marina, consort of Prince Michael of Greece and Demark
• Princess Olga of Greece
• Princess Alexandra of Greece

All of the rest members of the Greek Royal Family are legally and officially for the Danish Court Princes or Princess of Greece and Denmark with the style Royal Highness. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 190.1.177.89 (talk) 09:13, 6 October 2010 (UTC)

It is the same thing that happens to Princess Alexandra of Hanover she is a German Princess however Germany is a republic, her mother is Princess Carolina of Monaco and in the Royal Court the tittle Princess of Hanover it is legally and is used officially in Monaco or by courtesy elsewhere.

Her mother and Alexandra are officially addressed in Monaco as:

• Her Royal Highness The Princess of Hanover, Princess of Monaco, Hereditary Princess of Monaco
• Her Royal Highness Princess Alexandra of Hanover

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