Talk:Porvoo Communion

Rome

I think the words "of Rome" at the end of the first sentence only add confusion. They should be deleted.--Srleffler 06:57, 17 January 2006 (UTC)

I decidedly disagree. The sentence as structured draws a clear picture of a position of maintaing Catholicism and simultaneously being protest-ant of Rome. Are these churches protestant of each other? No. Are they Protestant in the Calvinist or Zwinglian sense? No. They are Protestant of Rome.

Nrgdocadams 01:51, 18 January 2006 (UTC)Nrgdocadams

No they're not. The Porvoo Communion is not anti-Rome. They (we, in my case) are a communion of the least differing churches. The anglicans and the Swedish Church are decidedly high church oriented, directed towards reuniting christianity into one church. The Porvoo communion is the start of a longer development that explicitly do not exclude the Roman Catholics nor the orthodox churches. Said: Rursus (☻) 15:09, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

nonNPOV

Many in this communion are evangelical and low church would not consider themselves "Catholic" in any sense, therefore I have changed the wording slighty. Starzaz (talk) 19:46, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

This is incorrect. "Catholic" in this case refers to "common", approximately to interpreted as "available to all". By colloquial (non-religious) terminology "catholic" refers to "Rome-catholic", but by all religious use of the term "catholic" refers to the availability of God's forgiveness for all (each and everyone, irrespective of acts in real life), if they only ask for it. This in opposition to Calvinism, which predestines those not fittest to the Hell. Said: Rursus (☻) 15:32, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

Colours

Good change Starzaz. The map indicates that the Scottish Episcopal Church is Lutheran (red type) when, in reality, it is part of the Anglican Communion and should be in blue type. Can this be fixed by someone who knows how? Thanks. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Albanman (talk • contribs) 17:06, 4 September 2008 (UTC)

I can fix that. Soon. Said: Rursus (☻) 14:37, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

Fixed. For info: Inkscape is the program which with I created the map; It is OpenSource (gratis, if you wish), and it exists for Win(k)dows, Mac(h)Os X, and Lun(at)ix. Said: Rursus (☻) 14:57, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

Not protestant

The Porvoo Communion is not protestant by ordinary terminology. Firstly the word "protestant" isn't mentioned in the common declaration. Secondly neither hardcore Lutherans nor high-church anglican minded persons in f.ex. the Swedish church don't like "protestant" since it is just a side in a dead conflict, and that both those groups generally consider themselves more related to Roman Catholicism than to Calvinism. Some also to greek orthodoxy (f.ex. me). There is nothing anti-Rome in the Porvoo union, so "protestantism" is a misnomer. Said: Rursus (☻) 14:44, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

Porvoo vs. Järvenpää

It is stated that the communion was named after Porvoo to make pronounciation easier. To me this sounds one of those funny myths. Is there a reliable source, or could it have been that the mass was celebrated in Porvoo because Järvenpää doesn't have a cathedral? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.221.59.27 (talk) 13:46, 13 November 2009 (UTC)

Danish church and episcopacy

The article states that Lutheran churches without apostolic episcopal orders cannot take part in the Porvoo Communion. But what about Denmark? has the Danish church agreed to regain apostolicity as a price of signing up? And what about Norway? I thought the Norwegians did not have apostolic orders either?? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.142.84.67 (talk) 01:25, 28 March 2010 (UTC)

I have heard that there was some interesting thinking and discussion about apostolic succession during the negotiations, especially with regard to the church history in Finland (as well as Denmark). But I do not have the details. – Kaihsu (talk) 19:22, 26 October 2013 (UTC)

two former observers became full members

http://www.porvoocommunion.org/communique-from-the-meeting-of-presiding-bishops/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kaihsu (talk • contribs) 08:59, 26 October 2013 (UTC)

Hmm. It says the decision "is commended to the processes of the member churches as may be necessary." I don't know what that means, but it sounds like it might mean they're not yet full members, but will be soon. Meanwhile, I wonder why the Church of the Faroe Islands isn't a member or observer. Aɴɢʀ (talk) 14:46, 26 October 2013 (UTC)

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