Talk:Political positions of Paul Ryan

Views

More on his views here: As Ryan Looks to Focus on Economy, Spotlight Shines on His Other Views BartlebytheScrivener (talk) 18:02, 13 August 2012 (UTC)

 Done this NYTimes profile is indeed a key source for this article, thank you 13.54.152.171 (talk) 00:24, 5 March 2017 (UTC)

Premature / should merge to main

While I imagine eventually this separate article might be needed, at this point we should be expanding on his political positions in the main article which gets the most readership, and then if it were to become unwieldy have a summary in the main article and a daughter article that goes into more detail. Right now we have almost nothing in the main article, so this daughter is unnecessary. Tvoz/talk 18:49, 13 August 2012 (UTC)

Agree, should be merged. Cwobeel (talk) 20:05, 13 August 2012 (UTC)

Also Agree, merge them. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.103.150.95 (talk) 20:06, 13 August 2012 (UTC)

Also agree, belongs in main article, due to shortness. If length there (eventually) becomes too long, should then be spun off as daughter article. -- John Broughton (♫♫) 21:04, 13 August 2012 (UTC)

This was an extremely short-sighted merge. All politician's of Ryan's (newfound) prominence generate enough material for a separate "positions" article. Destroying the structure here, only to re-create it within the next week, is marching the King's men up the hill and marching them back down again. JamesMLane t c 02:00, 14 August 2012 (UTC)

Redirected

I've restored the article and redirected it to Paul Ryan#Voting record and political positions as it seems likely that there will be justification for recreating the article before too long, and as we do have "Political positions of..." articles, it also seems likely that people will look for this one. I've kept this talk page here (rather than also redirecting it) as the discussion above seems relevant to the current state of these pages, so it seems worth keeping current - at least for now. -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 15:34, 16 August 2012 (UTC)

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Some info in gun control section is irrelevant

In the "gun control" section, it mentions that he supports a constitutional amendment to prohibit flag burning, and that he voted to withdraw taxpayer funding of NPR. I think that those positions are relevant to the article, but they definitely don't belong in the section about gun control. Where should we move them to? PiratePablo (talk) 21:24, 24 October 2016 (UTC)

 Done NPR and flag burning positions move to "other" section, thank you 13.54.152.171 (talk) 00:20, 5 March 2017 (UTC)

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Inadequate summarization in lead

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GA Review

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Reviewer: Yellow Evan (talk · contribs) 06:50, 28 June 2017 (UTC)

Will do. YE ^{Pacific Hurricane} 06:50, 28 June 2017 (UTC)

• "are conservative and Republican with a focus on fiscal policy." being "Republican" isn't an ideology? YE ^{Pacific Hurricane} 07:34, 28 June 2017 (UTC)
  •  Done Agree, big-R "Republican" is not a good adjective for the lead sentence here, thank you. 13.54.152.171 (talk) 15:18, 29 June 2017 (UTC)
• "In 1999 Ryan " comma after 1999. YE ^{Pacific Hurricane} 07:34, 28 June 2017 (UTC)
  •  Done 13.54.152.171 (talk) 15:09, 29 June 2017 (UTC)
• Worth mentioning AHCA in the lead? YE ^{Pacific Hurricane} 07:34, 28 June 2017 (UTC)
  •  Done Yes, of course; added, thank you. 13.54.152.171 (talk) 19:20, 29 June 2017 (UTC)
• "Republican" I'm not a fan of this name for a level 2 header? Maybe "Partisanship"? YE ^{Pacific Hurricane} 07:34, 28 June 2017 (UTC)
  •  Done Good suggestion, thank you. 13.54.152.171 (talk) 15:10, 29 June 2017 (UTC)
• "of the 2008 House.[7] " what does that mean? the House elected in 2006 or 2008? YE ^{Pacific Hurricane} 07:34, 28 June 2017 (UTC)
  •  Done Fixed. 13.54.152.171 (talk) 19:30, 29 June 2017 (UTC)
• "Ryan supports a line-item veto.[16]" combine this with the previous paragraph. YE ^{Pacific Hurricane} 07:34, 28 June 2017 (UTC)
  •  Done 13.54.152.171 (talk) 15:14, 29 June 2017 (UTC)
• "In the 2010 midterm elections, Ryan advised and endorsed Republican candidates in the primaries and general elections, and his budget proposals were embraced by many of the Tea Party movement-inspired freshman Representatives.[11][34][6][15]" order the refs numerically. YE ^{Pacific Hurricane} 07:34, 28 June 2017 (UTC)
  •  Done 13.54.152.171 (talk) 15:23, 29 June 2017 (UTC)
• "57–40, with five Republicans and most Democrats in opposition.[36]" so did 57 vote for it or 57 voted against it? YE ^{Pacific Hurricane} 07:34, 28 June 2017 (UTC)
  •  Done Fixed. 13.54.152.171 (talk) 16:41, 29 June 2017 (UTC)
• This part of the article seems a bit out of date. No mention of any legislation he's proposed since the start of the current session of Congress? Or most notably, the AHCA. YE ^{Pacific Hurricane} 07:34, 28 June 2017 (UTC)
  •  Done AHCA added to body and lead, thank you. March 2017 interview regarding ambition to block grant and cap Medicaid added. 13.54.152.171 (talk) 19:23, 29 June 2017 (UTC)
• "Obama initially viewed Ryan as a Republican who could help cut the federal deficit. In January 2010, at the House Republican annual retreat, Obama called Ryan's budget proposal a "serious proposal" finding both points of agreement and disagreement, saying "some ideas in there ... that I would agree with, but there are some ideas that we should have a healthy debate about because I don't agree with them".[5][80] On April 13, 2011, speaking of Ryan's budget proposal, Obama said: "There's nothing serious about a plan that claims to reduce the deficit by spending a trillion dollars on tax cuts for millionaires and billionaires."[39][40]" what does that have to do with Paul Ryan himself? YE ^{Pacific Hurricane} 07:34, 28 June 2017 (UTC)
  •  Done These sentences and references were moved to provide better context. Thank you for your question. Respectfully a reminder, this article is not about Paul Ryan himself but rather about his political positions. The views of the sitting President on the legislative proposals are noteworthy. Thank you again. 13.54.152.171 (talk) 17:55, 29 June 2017 (UTC)
• "In 2012, Ryan was "his party’s most forceful spokesman for cutting entitlement spending," according to The New York Times.[6]" what exactly does this add? It's clear he's a proponent of cutting spending. YE ^{Pacific Hurricane} 07:34, 28 June 2017 (UTC)
  •  Done Sentence and reference moved for better context. Thank you for your question. The statement "most forceful spokesman for cutting entitlement spending" is a stronger statement and a more specific statement than "proponent of cutting spending." The advocacy for cutting entitlement spending is one of if not the most noteworthy aspect of the subject of this article. The New York Times is a noteworthy reliable source, and their assessment is attributed in text as per policy. Thank you again. 13.54.152.171 (talk) 17:32, 29 June 2017 (UTC)
• "Ryan voted against the Lilly Ledbetter Fair Pay Act of 2009, which would have bolstered women's rights to bring suit to achieve equal pay for equal work,[135][136][137] and against the House version of the Paycheck Fairness Act, which would have helped to address the gender pay gap in the United States.[131][138]" why? YE ^{Pacific Hurricane} 07:34, 28 June 2017 (UTC)
  • Added comment in explanation of Ledbetter position. 13.54.152.171 (talk) 22:17, 30 June 2017 (UTC)
• "On April 30, 2013, Ryan came out in favor of same-sex couples adopting children. Ryan said he had always supported civil unions, and that if the US Supreme Court declares the Defense of Marriage Act unconstitutional, then he believes it will become a federalist issue for states to decide same-sex marriage.[143][144]" any update on this? YE ^{Pacific Hurricane} 07:34, 28 June 2017 (UTC)
• " Ryan, who owns a rifle and a shotgun, is an NRA member, has received an "A" rating from the NRA's Institute for Legislative Action, and has been endorsed by the organization every cycle he has been in Congress." source? YE ^{Pacific Hurricane} 07:34, 28 June 2017 (UTC)
  •  Done Citation added. 13.54.152.171 (talk) 15:46, 29 June 2017 (UTC)
• "Ryan opposed the Stop Online Piracy Act, stating that "it creates the precedent and possibility for undue regulation, censorship and legal abuse."[159] Ryan favors a constitutional amendment to ban flag-burning. He also voted to withdraw federal funding of NPR.[98]" combine these two paragraphs. YE ^{Pacific Hurricane} 07:34, 28 June 2017 (UTC)
  •  Done 13.54.152.171 (talk) 15:49, 29 June 2017 (UTC)
• Any info on his civil liberties positions? YE ^{Pacific Hurricane} 07:34, 28 June 2017 (UTC)
  • Yes, Ryan civil liberties positions from reliable sources summarized in the article include the right to bear arms, right to equal protection, right to marry, abortion rights, and others. 13.54.152.171 (talk) 19:43, 29 June 2017 (UTC)
• What are Ryan's positions on other foreign policy issues, like Iran deal, Syria, Lybia, and Russiagate? YE ^{Pacific Hurricane} 07:34, 28 June 2017 (UTC)
  • Added Russia investigation, good suggestion, thank you. 13.54.152.171 (talk) 20:11, 29 June 2017 (UTC)

I was going to leave this on hold, but given the nominator hasn't edited in five weeks, I don't think the work needed is likely to be complete within a reasonable amount of time. Sorry. Regards. YE ^{Pacific Hurricane} 07:34, 28 June 2017 (UTC)

GA Review

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Reviewer: TropicalAnalystwx13 (talk · contribs) 23:27, 5 July 2017 (UTC)

• "which authorized the Treasury to purchase toxic assets from banks and other financial institutions, and the auto industry bailout" - Link auto industry bailout to Automotive industry crisis of 2008–10?

 Done 13.54.152.171 (talk) 18:33, 6 July 2017 (UTC)

• "Ryan supports the privatization of social security and Medicare and block granting Medicaid to the states." - Wikilink Medicare on its first usage here. Otherwise, this sentence doesn't read right to me.

 Done add WikiLink, reworded for clarity 13.54.152.171 (talk) 18:44, 6 July 2017 (UTC)

• "Ryan supported the Medicare Part D prescription drug benefit, and opposes the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act (ACA), also known as "Obamacare." - No comma necessary after benefit.

 Done 13.54.152.171 (talk) 18:45, 6 July 2017 (UTC)

• "Ryan said "The last thing I want to see happen is another Democrat in the White House". - Period inside quotations.

 Done 13.54.152.171 (talk) 18:46, 6 July 2017 (UTC)

• "He denied the characterization of his position by interviewer Chuck Todd as "party over country". - Same here (and check throughout the rest of the article).

 Done 13.54.152.171 (talk) 18:50, 6 July 2017 (UTC)

• "In 1995, as the top legislative aide for freshman representative Sam Brownback of Kansas, Ryan helped lead the policy team for a group of conservative freshman representatives who called themselves the New Federalists and advocated shrinking the federal government by eliminating federal government departments, spending cuts, and restructuring entitlement spending." - Can we split this sentence?

 Done 13.54.152.171 (talk) 18:50, 6 July 2017 (UTC)

• "His positions on fiscal policy have included tax cuts, freezes on discretionary spending, cuts to entitlement programs, privatization of social security, Medicare, Medicaid, and education, deregulation, and the elimination of inflation increases in calculating budget baselines." - Same here.

Reworded for clarity; this sentence is a rather long series because it serves as topic sentence to introduce the longest section of the article, fiscal policies, which follows. Thank you. 13.54.152.171 (talk) 19:35, 6 July 2017 (UTC)

• "The three budget reform bills were not approved by either the House or Senate and died.[citation needed]" - Tackle this.

 Done 13.54.152.171 (talk) 19:33, 6 July 2017 (UTC)

• "NARAL Pro-Choice America has noted that Ryan has "cast 59 votes" (including procedural motions and amendments which did not have co-sponsors[136]) "on reproductive rights while in Congress and not one has been pro-choice"." - This may be true now, but given that Ryan is an active member of Congress and will conduct more votes, its probably best to put a "through 2017" identifier somewhere.

 Done 13.54.152.171 (talk) 18:55, 6 July 2017 (UTC)

• Reference 89 is dead.

 Done dead link url removed from citation

Otherwise a decent and well-sourced article. TropicalAnalystwx13 (talk · contributions) 23:27, 5 July 2017 (UTC)

Thank you for a very careful close read and helpful notes. 13.54.152.171 (talk) 19:36, 6 July 2017 (UTC) @TropicalAnalystwx13: Thank you again. 13.54.152.171 (talk) 15:48, 8 July 2017 (UTC)